would rise and cannot he wants power he would do the will of the Father but cannot it seems till the power reach to him and so he may say too as Paul said To will is present with me but how to perform what I would I find not If the power be the Christ then how was Christ there where he lies burthened with corruption in man and making his grave with the wicked before he was begotten for the power is not begotten in all that Christ is in as a suffering seed and so he suffers before he be begotten and he by whom all things were made is in some men and yet his power not begotten which when it reaches to the seed it rises in it by degrees surely as men in whom he is give way to him 5. Yea here we may see the reigning of their Christ too and of his Saints with him in that they say in some he suffers and in others he reigns and is known to be Prince of Peace Is Christ divided then or doth some part of him in some suffer and other part reign in others it seems he hath neither done dying nor been at any time without his Reigning and his to Reign with him so that here we have the Mystery of their Religion 6. Nay what is this seeds rising but the Redemption of the body with them for as for the Redemption of any Natural body of man from the Natural death on them or judgement on them after that death they plainly deny it onely they talk of a seed shall rise and what is that but this seed that they say Christ takes after the flesh 7. Note here also how this their imagined Christ differs from our Christ the true Christ witnessed to and Preached in the Scriptures for their Rock is not as our Rock their Christ as our Christ themselves being Judges Deut. 32. 31. with their Book pag 10 our Rock is God in Christ and so our Lord Jesus Christ between whom and their Christ consider these differences 1. Our Christ is that Holy and Innocent man that was born of the Virgin Mary and lived in his personal body upon the Earth in the dayes of Augustus and Tiberius Cesars amongst the Jews And who in that body of his was crucified or nayled on a Tree died and was buried and rose again the third day and appeared in the same body to his Disciples after which he in that his body left the World ascending up from the Earth into the highest Heavens where he is Glorified with Gods own Self the fulnesse of the Godhead dwelling in him bodily He being God over all blessed for ever This is he whom these perverters deny and jears at as having the form and body of a Man and set up another thing in his stead that hath neither personal head hands nor feet flesh or bones proper to himself but an imaginary seed within every man desiring to follow after God and be free from sin which they call the Light the Christ the Power of God c. 2. Our Christ in a personal body of his own distinst from and out of our bodies bare our sins to and on the Tree or Crosse and so in that body died for our sins and in the same body rose for our justification that we believing in him might be justified by his Blood and accepted in his Righteousnesse and from thence have sin die in us and we dying to sin might live to Righteousnesse These plead for a Christ without any body of man distinct from others or out of them but a certain seed with an imaginary flesh and blood dying and beating sin in every man and rising where the Power reaches to it in men having no other body but what is in some men dying yea in every man in its time and in some men rising but not in all 3. Our Christ in his said body did once and but once in the last Ages of the World little more then one thousand six hundred years since suffer and die and rise again and can now therein die no more death hath no more dominion over him but he is alive for evermore in that body Glorified in the Heavens which these perverters deny But their Christ is alwayes suffering and so dying in some men and rising in others and reigning in some and so hath been alwayes dying and rising in mâ—n from the beginning of the World and so will be to the end their words plainly enough import as much 4. Our Christ by that his death once suffered and in his Resurrection in that his body that body once in sacrifice offered up to God hath overcome Death and the Devil slain the enmity and taken out of the way all that was contrary to us redeemed us from the curse of the Law obtained eternal Redemption for us and received the immeasurable fulness of the Spirit in the man and for men and is become Wisdom Righteousnesse Sanctification and Redemption being by virtue of all his foresaid sufferings and sacrifice the propitiation for the sins of the whole World of man kind the Mediator of God and men that all that believe in him may by Faith be reckoned after him and receive of the virtues hereof a first fruits of the Spirit making their Spirits liâ—e for Righteousnesse sake and giving them the hope of the fulness in Soul and Body at his coming again to be enjoyed by them for which they wait of all which these Perverters make nothing as James Naylor writ to a certain Gentleman by way of reproach Thou lookest to be saved by a man that dyed 1600. years ago this is that they scoff at giving out in their words that the death they mean of is not the death of a man in a Mortal body which was Natural and must have dyed they say though sin had never been But the death they mean is the death of the Seed or Christ that is alwayes dying and rising sometime in one and sometime in another which death and resurrection they extol and account the other but a shadow and figure of 5. Our Christ being in his glorified Bodie in the Heavens the fulnesse of the Godhead dwelling in him bodily by his spirit draws in many to believe in him of whom he in his Personal body is the Head and they the Members are one spiritual body or Corporation But these Perverters denying that their Christ hath any Personal body made but one Body in and of all and that the Seed sure for the Natural Bodies of themselves and others they say must die and never rise again and therefore sure they are in their account no part of Christs Body that must live ever and sure that Seed is no Personal Body but a conceited spirit that is within them with a conceited flesh and blood in them to This is the fulnesse of God they say whereof they are every one of them in this Seed the Members such an Idol was scarce ever in any Generation
find the birds of the Heavens Jer. 4. 22. And the fowls of the Heavens Jer. 9 10. And often fowls of Heaven as Job 35. 11. Jer. 7. 33. They adde the body is one and hath many Members 1 Cor. 12. 12. Answer that 's said both of a personall and mysticall body or society in different senses true also that the body of Christ either Personall or mysticall is not carnall but spirituall nor was it carnall when he shewed it to have flesh and bones carneum and carnale differ a heart of flesh and a carnall heart differ for when God promises a heart of flesh he means not a carnall heart so that these are sorry mistakes not solid arguments against Christs having his personall body glorified in the Heavens They say W. and F. They who are carnall as we be they say and we shall bear their reproaches could not discern that body they grant him to have though the outward bodies of believers they might discern and yet this body of Christ is discerned by the believers who are led by the Spirit of God and is in heaven above the clouds which they that are gazing abroad and looking carnally to see Christ they discern not the Lords body for they see not through the clouds into the heavens so Christ is taken out of their sight Rep. Now here the reader may take notice both that the body they say is in Heaven above the clouds glorified is not a personall body such as Christ shewed his Disciples after his Resurrection for they said p. 7. His body is the Church and the Scriptures saith not that Christ hath two bodies ' and also what Heavens they say Christs body is in viz. above the clouds in mens imaginations but however they cast mists and clouds in their expressions blessed be God we are able to discern their meaning that they mean nothing less by Heaven then the Heavens without men and such as Christ being taken into he was thereby parted from his Disciples that beheld him as Luke 24. 51. But Stephen they say that was full of the Holy Ghost saw the Heavens opened and the Son of man standing on the right hand of his Father and John in the Spirit saw into Heaven c. Rep. Yea verily Stephen saw into that Heaven and saw that person that they believe not for want of the Holy Ghost the Spirit of faith what Son of man did Stephen see in Heaven Nothing but the Church as filled with Word and Spirit glorified in a glorious Heavenly condition is the Church of God the Son of man or is the seed in them the Lord Jesus into whose hands he commended his Spirit And did the Spirit of Stephen then when separated from his body go into the Church of God the rest of the surviving believers or into some seed within himself and them let them speak out and unriddle their dark parables and open their cloudy conceits that men may see into their Heaven where they think Christ was seen by Stephen and So that we did not ignorantly charge them with their meaning therein but they would seem to give an Answer to our Question here which they could not think on at the dispute viz. That Christs body is not distinct from the Spirits of all men as it is distinct from carnal bodies Answer They would have stopt sure at the Spirits of all men but that they love to be in the clouds that their meaning may be taken out of the simples sight They adde that as he is distinct from carnall bodies to cover over a lie with the face of truth and blind men with the shew of an Answer when as in truth it 's none for our Question was not whether Christs body be distinct from the Spirits of all men in the same manner as from carnall bodies but whether the body they speak of rather be distinct from both of them be the manner what it will To their additionall falshood as we imagine as if we imagined it distinct from them both after the same manner we say it 's as truely distinct from the one as from the other but not after the same sort it differs from the carnall bodies of men in carnality and grosness and corruptibility c. It differs from the Spirits of men in substance it 's a body and they are Spirits yet it is distinct from both of them because neither are they it nor it they but let us view their reason for the different distinction between them They say The Sperits of just men c. rejoyce in him Rep. Who do they rejoyce in In his body or not for we are speaking of the distinctness of his body from their Spirits if they and their Spirits be his body how rejoyce they in his body Do they rejoyce in themselves or is there another body for them to rejoyce in besides themselves that rejoyce all of them in Union They say The true Church in Christ which discerns his body in his fulness is but one compleat body in the fulness of God Rep. Here they are in the clouds indeed but clouds of darkness his light is not spread upon them for 1. What difference is there between the true Church that discerns and his body discerned by it if as they said before his body is his Church and we read not of two bodies of Christ If none then his Church discerns its self and rejoyces in it self and the Church that discerns it self is one compleat body in the fulness of God before it was the fulness of God now it is in the fulness of God but the Scripture saies neither of it if the Church which is his body see or discern another body of Christ besides itself then they must say too there are two bodies of Christ one that discerneth and another that is discerned by it which they before denied and reasoned against what confusion are they herein By which we are so far from knowing that they own what the Scriptures do declare concerning Christ and his body as they say of themselves that we hereby know them to be they that do not own it and we will discern notwithstanding their palliating over the business with subtile expressions as That the same that descended into the lower parts of the earth is he that ascended far above all Heavens that he might fill all things the same Christ that suffered in the body at Jerusalem who appeared in divers forms after the Resurrection in the transfiguration before the same arose again and was taken in his ascending out of the sight of them that gazed after him and is glorified in the same glory which he had with the Father before the world was yet we see your deceit that in all this you yet deny that body that he suffered in to be now in glory that personal body that had flesh and bones in it and therefore that you believe not what was said to those you reproach for gazing after him
that he should even so come again in like manner as they had seen him go up into Heaven for that was in a body with flesh and bones in it and was visible to the eye till a cloud received him out from their sight and that this you deny appears in what you have said before of the Church being his body onely and by what follows viz. That as he who is the Word became flesh so when the days of his flesh were finished he was translated into his own glory which he had with his Father from eternity and so the second Adam is a quickning Spirit for in those words you imply that his flesh or the substance of his body in which he bare our sins is ceased and so that his humanity or what he took of the Virgin and of the seed of David after the flesh is gone so as he is onely a Spirit without any human body but how then did the Apostle oppose Christ in his ascending into Heaven unto David Acts 2. 34 45. For by that David ascended as much as Christ for his Spirit went to God when his body went to the dust Eccles 12. 7. And it seems by your sayings Christs body is not ascended but by the Apostles saying Christ is opposed to David in ascending in what he David ascended not whose body he says is the sepulchre therefore it follows that the body of Christ is ascended and is taken up into glory and is called the glorious body of Christ to which the believers body is to be conformed and changed into its likeness not into the Churches likeness sure which as yet is much of it in a suffering state and not a glorious body yea the Apostle tells us that of the fruit of Davids loines according to the flesh Christ is raised up to sit upon his throne Acts 2. 30. Is he the man Jesus the Mediator of God and us the propitiation for our sins as a Spirit merely Or is he the man Christ as he is God in us or a Spirit in Union with his Church And is so as he the propitiation for our sins then he bare his own sins in his body and is the propitiation for himself seeing the Church is he or part of him his body that was offered up for us It 's true the second Adam was made a quickning Spirit yet abides a man and hath a glorious body dictinct from his Church to which our body is to be conformed even as Adam was a living soul yet had a natural body W. and F. To your question you aske us viz. Whether we believe that body the saints upon earth do discern and which the world cannot discern is a body of flesh and bones yea or nay We answer it 's the body that was broken for us and is to be fed upon by us as is plain in 1 Cor. 11. 24. 29. not discerning the Lords body it 's that that is remembred and communicated with in the supper of the Lord which ordinance you have denied in your queries to us and that body was the same that Christ shewed to have flesh and bones in it and in which he went up into Heaven as before think you the Church was given and broken for us and is the breaking of the Church that which we are to have communion with and remember as the matter of our seeding in that Ordinance Though the body mysticall of Christ his Church is also to be discerned by the believers and is not by the world but if the Church be the body discerned which in the supper we have the communion of and which was broken for us then the flesh of Christ which we eat is something of the Church the flesh and substance of the Church and so the Church is to eate itself what confused stuff is this that is insinuated by you to us But by the reason you give off your propounding that question viz. seeing we own the believers or Church to be the body of Christ and plead for another body of Christ distinct from them it 's plain without contradiction that you deny the personall body of Christ to be and abide in the Heavens and to deny the man Jesus to be the Object of the believers faith and why shamed you to speak out this so broadly at the dispute Was you then more bashfull and are since grown more audacious and impudent W. and F. They say It 's grosse confusion to say that believers are Members of Christs flesh and bones and then to say they are not flesh of his flesh and bone of his bone as if Christ had two bodies of flesh and bone one of which the saints are not Members when the Apostle says as much as they were flesh of his flesh and bone of his bone in saying no man ever hated his own flesh but nourisheth it and cherisheth it even as the Lord the Church for we are Members of his body of his flesh and of his bones Ephes 3 30. Rep. Surely the grosse confusion is clearly in themselves here as is easie to demonstrate 1. They bely us in saying of us that we said what we said not viz. That believers are Members of Christs flesh and bones we said the Apostles preached that the believers are Members of his body of his flesh and of his bones neither the Greek nor the Latine as G. W. At least as to the Latine may know will bear that construction Members of his flesh and bones but Members of his body of that is out of his flesh and of or out of his bones ex carne ejus ex ossibus ejus 2. Is his Church flesh and bones said they not above that a body of flesh and bones cannot be said to be in the Heavens but if believers be a body of flesh and bones as they are if they be flesh of his flesh and bone of his bones must they not needs be then a body of flesh and bones in Heaven seeing they grant his body to be in the heavens yea to be the fulness of God that filleth all in all both in Heaven and earth is flesh and bones the fulness of God filling all in all both in Heaven and earth 'T is true that the Church consists of Members that each of them have personall heads and bodies of flesh and bones as men but are they flesh of his flesh and bone of his bone Is our flesh of Christs flesh and our bone of Christs bone How then hath not Christ flesh and bone of his own distinct from the body his Church if our flesh be flesh of his flesh and our bone be bone of his bone Doth not that phrase speak plainly of flesh and bones of his distinct from the Church which they say too is flesh and bone is not the confusion then in these men that deny Christ to have a body of flesh and bones distinct from his Church and then to say his Church is flesh of his flesh and bone of
namely for societies or congregations of distinct persons united and gathered tother under one head or Governour And his having them be understood in the second sence of having mentioned namely by donation and Covenant as his Church or Spouses Then to the question we further answer That in such a sence he hath one body and no more forasmuch as he the Head and Husband to whom being joyned Spiritually and by Faith they are of his Mystical body is but one that body can be no more but one for to them all there is but one Head Husband and Lord They are all built upon one foundation even Jesus Christ himself he being the chief corner Stone in whom the building fitly framed together groweth into an Holy Temple in the Lord Eph. 2. 18. 22. So though there be many members and also many particular societies of believers upon Earth yet they all make but one body or general Assembly and Church of the first-born Yea all believers now living upon the Earth and all dead as to the flesh even all the dead in Christ that sleep in Jesus whose spirits are made perfect are but one body of Christ in that sence of the word body as Eph. 4. 4. with 1 Cor. 12. 12 13. with Ephes 2. 18. 22. Heb. 12. 22. 25. And this his body may be said to be partly in Heaven partly on Earth for there in Heaven with him are the spirits of Just men made perfect Unto whom also those unfeigned believers living upon the Earth are come by Faith which is the evidence of things not seen the confidence of things hoped for and so Spiritually and by Faith have their conversation in Heaven from whence also they look for the Saviour the Lord Jesus Christ who shall change their vile body that it may be fashioned like unto his Glorious body So then the body of Christ is but one in any one sence of the word body though as the word body is used in divers sences he hath a body which is peculiarly called his Body or the body of Christ in two sences As the head of some believing women is spoken of in a threefold sence 1 Cor. 11. her personall head her husband and Christ yet in proper and strict speaking she hath but one head because her head is but one in any one sence of the word head but one personal head but one husband but one Christ yet her head in each of these sences is distinct yea every member of the Body of Christ the Church hath a personal head of their naturall body distinct from Christ the mystical head of them all So hath Christ a personal body and members called the body of his Flesh his now Glorious Body Col. 1. 22. Phil. 3. 21. Distinct from his body the Church Col. 1. 24. else he could be no meet or proper head for such a body or Congregation where every member hath a particular personal body and members distinct But take body in any one sence of the word Body and there is not two but one Body of Christ as before is shewed nor indeed are any of his Body the Church but such as are by Faith united and joyned unto that one Lord in that his one personal body now Glorified with the Father as their Head Lord and Husband Nor are the head and members divided but their union is spiritual and by Faith not sensual The head is the fore-runner and in that his own personal body in which he bore our sins and is the head of his body the Church He is already entred into Heaven whether the members in their particular bodies are not in a like sence entered but by Faith and hope do enter and so have their conversation in Heaven from whence they look for the Saviour the Lord Jesus Christ who shall change their vile body that it may be fashioned into the likensse of his Glorious Body for here they walk by Faith and not by sight And while they are at home in the clay Tabernacle flesh or natural body they are absent from the Lord in a like sence as at home in the body they are not otherwise present with him now but in Spirit and by Faith Heb. 4. 3. 10. 14. and 6. 19 20. 2 Cor. 5. 6 7. Heb. 10. 37 38. Phil 3. 20 21. Col. 3. 1. 4. Such therefore are not of the true Church or body of Christ but of Antichrist as are vainly puft up with their sensual minde not holding the Head c. Col. 2. 18 19. And that these men are such appeares in their seeking to insinuate by this query and the rest that to believe and acknowledge that the man Christ Jesus continues even in that body of his flesh now Glorified with the Father as the Head of the Church in a personal being distinct from his body the Church and from every member thereof is to make Christ to have two Bodies one in Heaven and another on Earth and therefore they endeavour privily to make a nullity of his personal body the body of his flesh or to deny his still having it and possessing now in it that Glory which he had with the Father before the World was and so hold not the head forasmuch as he is not otherwise the Head of his Body the Church But as now he is in that personal body Glorified and because this man continues ever in that Name and Glory of his Father which through sufferings in the same Body he hath obtained for us that by him our Faith and Hope might be in God We have been the larger in this first Answer as well to help the weak in understanding things that differ or are distinct that so they may discern and approve things that are excellent as also to shew the corruptnesse of their way in confounding things clearly distinct and distinguished in the Scripture and seeking by such confusion to work their ends in deceiving the simple which also may further appeare in their following Queries and the more easily by the help of what hath been said in answer to this W. and F. Quest 2. Whether the Body of Christ which is the fulnesse of God whereof the Saints are members is a Body of Flesh and Bones in the Heavens yea or nay Answ This Question also is foolish and unlearned for besides that it privily pursues the same designe of denying the remaining of the being of the personal Body of our Lord Jesus Christ and that in the same way with the former by confounding things clearly distinct c. as aforesaid It also takes that for granted as the ground of it which is not granted by us in those expressions it being no where so expressed in the Scripture of the body of Christ in either sence Namely That the body of Christ is the fulnesse of God Of him in his own personal body in which he is the Head of his body the Church the Scriptures saith in him dwelleth all the fulnesse of the Godhead
is God man the word made flesh in an insepable union for God sent forth his Son made of a woman and he humbled himself to death in the flesh Ephes 4 9 10. Further also 3. He saith That he that ascended is the same that descended into the lower parts of the earth he saith not simply or onely that he is the same that descended or came down from Heaven but further that he is the same that descended into the lower parts of the earth Now though in that first act of his descention and abasement in which he was made flesh of a woman he might as we hinted before be said to descend into and be curiously wrought or framed in the lower parts of the earth yet did he also descend into the lower parts of the earth in other and further sences and in further and following acts of his abasement in all which he was abased and humbled in that body of his flesh which he had taken or was made in the womb of the Virgin Now his descention into the lower parts of the earth was first even to the utmost step or point of it before his ascention there spoken of and after the Declaration of that t is said He that descended namely into the lower parts of the earth even in the utmost sence in which he did so he is the same that ascended up far above all Heavens Now he that was made sin and made a curse for us that humbled himself and became obedient to the death of the Cross that dyed and was buried all which as we shall further shew anon is evidently included in his descending into the lower parts of the earth he is Gods Son Jesus Christ our Lord not onely as the eternal word simply considered but as made flesh of a woman and so made of the Seed of David after the flesh and made under the law for us And that he that so descended into the lower parts of the earth and after the same consideration of him even Jesus of the Seed of David according to the flesh that that very he was raised in that very Body in which he Suffered having the same substance flesh and bones hands and feet though not in the same quality and therein mightily declared to be the Son of God in that raised Body Spiritual and immortal and carried up into Heaven yea that this man continues for ever we have already particularly proved and shewed by the Scriptures and shall further do it as we have occasion in answer to these Queries nor are they able to resist the wisdom and Spirit in the holy Scriptures by which this great thing of Gods Doctrine concerning Christ is evidently set forth and therefore seek privily to undermine and deny it by this snaring querie with the Argument annexed as before expressed whither did that body descend from Heaven c. To which likewise we give this further answer 4. He even the Son of man yea that body of his flesh in which he was made and became the Son of man might be and is truly said to have come down from Heaven thus or in these considerations 1. In that the grace appointment and gift in which he was given and sent forth to be so made flesh and humbled in that body was from Heaven the Father gave and sent forth his Son made of a woman made under the Law and so to be the propitiation for our sins and he came forth from the Father and came into the World Joh. 3. 14. 16 17. Gal. 4. 4. 1 John 4. 9 10 John 16. 28. 2. In that the power by which he was made flesh in that one body prepared him was from Heaven for the Birth of Jesus was on this wise The Holy Ghost did come upon a woman a Virgin that had not known man and the Power of the Highest did overshadow her and she was found with child of the Holy Ghost and so that which was conceived in her was of the Holy Ghost Therefore also that holy Thing that was born of her was called The Son of the Highest Mat. 1. 18. 21. Luke 1. 31. 35. And so even the Son of man yea that body of his flesh prepared for him on the earth in which he was made and became the Son of man descended and came forth from Heaven and came into the world forasmuch as he so came forth and was made flesh by the grace gift and appointment of the Father and by the operation of the Holy Ghost and in that body of his flesh he descended into the lower parts of the earth and he that descended is the same also that ascended up c. as before W. and F. 4. Qu. What and where are the lower parts of the earth whereinto Christ descended from his Father Answ We find in the Scriptures of Truth 1. That sometimes the Mothers womb is called the lowest parts of the earth as being a place of secresie darkness and obscurity Psal 139. 12 13 14 15 16. and so he descended into the lower parts of the Earth when the Word was made flesh in that one body prepared for him in the Womb of a Virgin in which also he was made lower than the Angels even partaker with us of flesh and blood of our nature in its mortal state for a time as hath been shewed that by the Grace of God he might taste death for every Man 2. As men in all the ends of the earth are sometimes called all the ends of the earth Isa 45. 22. and 49. 6. so men of the lowest rank poor despised and of mean esteem as Rom. 12. 16. may be as properly called the lower parts of the earth and may be included with those that sleep in the dust of the earth as those that also in a metaphorical sence dwell in dust Isa 44. 23. with chap. 26. 19. and in that sence also he descended into the lower parts of the earth for though he was in the form of God and thought it no robbery to be equal with God yet having his body prepared for him of the Father subject to all our infirmities that came by sin yet without sin and living amongst men he made himself of no reputation and took upon him the form of a Servant he became as a worm and no Man a reproach of men and despised of the people Psal 22. 6 7. Isa 53. 2 3. Phil. 2. 5 6 7. 3. The words likewise are used to expresse a place and state of darknesse Banishment or Separation from God the portion of the wicked transgressors such as among whom he was numbred in his humiliation for us Psal 63. 9. as also those equivalent expressions Psal 86. 13. and 88. 5 6. 4. Likewise the grave or place where the dead body or bodies are buried appears to be clearly meant and expressed in those tearms as in that figurative speech Isa 44. 23. as compared with chap. 26. 19. And in these two last sences especially that of Eph. 4.
intention of this query with the former is to deny the being of the perscnall Body of our Lord Jesus Christ or that this Man continues for ever so as the former priests did not by reason of Death And the Argument here from which they would urge that denyall is because it is said he is ascended that he might fill all things but a body of Flesh and Bones cannot be in divers places at once and so not fill all things therefore hence they would imply That he hath no such body the corruption and folly of both which their implyed denyal and Argument intimated is already manifest in what hath been said to their deriding expressions a body of flesh and bones And in the answers already given and in what hath been said to this query where is shewed that Christ of the fruit of Davids loyns after the flesh who hath a Glorious personall body having flesh and bones in heaven with the Father he may be in divers sences in divers places at one and the same time and so may fill all things though as to his personal bodily presence he is not on Earth while the Heavens receive him which is till the times of restitution of all things So while yet we have not Jesus Christ in his personal Bodily presence with us yet he is in his Gratious and Spirituall presence and vertues in the hearts Societies and works of them that wait for him And in his inspections influencies and operations he is every where and so in a sence filling all things now though also in a more full and Glorious sence he shall fill and fulfill all things as before hinted in his Season And surely such a question concerning him whom they reproachfully call a Body of flesh and Bones as this can He c. Doth very much manifest not only the Insidelity but also the absurdity and gross sensuallity of the Interrogators For is not the visible Sun in its body set or fixed in the Firmament of heaven a place above the heavens where fowles fly and Clouds ride And yet so Glorious in Light Brightness and extention of Light that it fills with its light and influences the heavens and the earth and all in it and yet this is but one of his creatures that hath its being glory and standing off and from him for by him were all things made that were made and in him was Life even life from the dead by way of Redemption even from the beginning of mans need of it by vertue of what he had then undertaken to do and to become for fallen mankinde And that Life in him was the light of men the Fountain Original cause and producer of all that is truly Light and good unto them for by him do all things consist even by him as now in that body in the fulness of time prepared for him he is the first begotten from the dead For so is he glorified with the Fathers own Selfe in that his own personal body in which he bore our sins on the Tree that he even the Son of man the man Christ Jesus is the Image of the invisible God the brightnesse of his Glory the expresse Image of his Person upholding all things by the word of his Power John 1. 1. 3. 14. Col. 1. 14 15 16. 19 20. Heb. 1. 1. 3. c. And cannot this man who is King of Righteousness and King of Peace Heb. 7. 2. An hiding place from the wind and a Covert from the Tempest as Rivers of Water in a dry place as the shadow of a great Rock in a weary land Isa 32. 2 Immeasurably full of Grace and Truth Spirit Power and Authority John 1. 14. and 3. 34. Mat. 28. 18. Glorified with the Fathers own self so as in him dwells the fulnesse of the Godhead Bodily John 17. 4 5. Col. 2. 9. Cannot he we say in that Glorified body of his be in the Heaven of heavens that is above all other heavens and in the fulnesse of his Power Excellency and Glory above all Heavens and by his Glorious all-seeing Spirit discern and see into allthings even the secrets of every heart and so into all the evil thoughts and windings in the Imaginations of these men striving to mar his vizage Is he a God at hand and not afar off can any hide himself in secret places that he should not see him doth not he fill Heaven and Earth Jer. 23. 23 24. with Heb. 4. 12 13 14 15. Doth he not by the Power and fulnesse he hath received in the man rule for ever Oh let not the Rebellious exalt themselves Psal 66. 7. with John 5. 22. 27. 1 Pet. 3. 22. Doth he not by the fulness of gifts received in the man and for men even send forth Spirit to the Rebellious and load us with his benefits Psal 68. 18 19 20. with Eph. 4 8 9 10. Is not the Earth upheld by him and the Inhabitants thereof Psal 75. 3. with Col. 1. 16. 17. and Heb. 1. 3. Is he not nigh to all in giving them their being Life Breath and Moving and his good Spirit therein discovering his gooduesse instructing and moving to Repentance that they might seek the Lord Acts 17. 27. 28. 30. 31. John 1. 9. 10. c. and 8. 12. and 12. 46. c. And is not he by his Spirit with the Riches influences of his Grace in unfeigned believers and so in and unto them the hope of Glory Col. 1. 26. 27. Surely he is and doth all this in every age and so is filling all things and will in his time fill or fulfill all things as aforesaid And had these men been of any judgement concerning the Faith they would not have propounded this query with the former or following But against what Christ what Gospel and what Faith they fight their queries discover to those who have their Spiritual sences exercised 8. Que. Seeing Thomas Moor did not own that Christs Body is a carnal body in Heaven how is it that you say his Body is a body of Flesh and Bones or a Humane Body without Blood in it Is not a Fleshly body Carnal Answ 1. That the Body of Christ in Heaven is not a Carnal body in Scripture sence yea that it was not a carnal body when on Earth we did and still do assert for Carnal as used in Scripture when applyed to man signifyes sinful flesh or Natural sinfulnesse and emptinesse of good in mind or members and so he was not made though for a time in the likeness of sinful flesh Rom. 7. 14. 23. with Chap. 8. 3. Phil. 2. 7. Heb. 4. 15. 2. As for their reproach in saying that we say that its a body of Flesh and Bones without Blood in it It s already answered we say a body having Flesh and Bones though not now weak and mortal as ours whose natural bodily weaknesse and mortality is signified by those expressions Flesh and Blood when put together of which he also was
And if to have flesh and to be fleshly be not the same nor doth the latter at all necessarily follow upon the former in mortal men How durst these men speak of them as necessarily one in him who is raised from the dead in the Glory of the Father and who saw no corruption as if his having flesh and bones should render him a fleshly man or body but that they are vainly puft up with their fleshly mind not holding the head c. Yea 3. Neither is his body a fleshly body nor any where by us or the Scripture so called for though sometime as we shewed it was subject to the weakness and infirmities of the flesh that are natural to us from fallen Adam and so in some sence might be said to be a natural body though he was therein made that which naturally he was not and that in a supernatural way as aforesaid and was therein as alwayes perfectly without sin yet taking part with us of flesh and blood that he might dye our death c. as before is hinted yet now being raised from the dead even that body of his flesh which God hath raised up from the dead is now in Heaven with the Father a spiritual heavenly and glorious body so as yet the bodies of any of his members on earth are not But their bodies also that now are vile and see corruption as his never did even the same that are now living on the earth or sleeping in the dust shall be raised by him in the first Resurrection at his appearing not carnal bodies or vile and corruptible as now they are but fashioned into the likeness of his glorious body when this corruptible shall put on incorruption and this mortal immortality Quest 9. Can any local place contain that Glory which Christ had with the Father before the world was wherein he is glorified Ans Nay but the heavenly places or places on high where he is received till the times of restitution may contain his Glorious Body though they cannot contain the glory wherewith he is glorified and which he possesseth therein for place cannot contain infinite power wisdom eternity glorious Majesty c. The heaven heaven of heavens cannot contain that glory of the Fathers own self which is the glory that Christ had with him before the world was and wherewith he is now glorified in the Body of his flesh how much less can earthen Vessels or Clay Tabernacles contain that Glory that is set above the Heavens we say the heavens cannot contain it so that it should not Shine forth and operate in heaven and in earth and in all places yet the heaven is his Throne the earth his footstool yea the heaven of heavens is that place of his habitation from whence he beholdeth all things and doth whatsoever he pleaseth in heaven and in earth and in all places 1 Kings 8. 27 Isa 66. 1. Eccles 5. 2. Psal 33. 13 14. And so the personal body of Christ in which he bore our sins on the Tree being now raised from the dead is received and taken up into heaven set down on the right hand of the Majesty and Power of God in the heavens and not now on the earth personally yet the heavens cannot contain his Glory from Shining forth to us and operating in and with us and in all things and places in the influences thereof because the fulness of the God-head dwells in him bodily and all power is given unto him in heaven and in earth yea because he is in heaven with the father therefore he is able to fill all things with the fruits of his mediation and influences of his power for if he were now on earthor had not been received up into heaven set down on the right hand of Majesty upon his finishing the Works the Father gave him to do on earth and offering up that spotless body of his flesh to God he could not have been such a Priest and such a mighty King of Righteousness Prince and Saviour for us and to us And therefore those that deny his being in heaven in that body of his flesh his now glorious body in which he is the head distinct from every body and spirit of his members and as their fore-runner entred before them as these Spirits in all their discourse and perverse disputings against it at least privily do and have done they do therein as much deny that Jesus is the Christ and so are the great lyars and Antichrists foretold to come in the last dayes that deny the Father and the Son And surely in frameing this query to that purpose not onely their wicked enmity against the man Christ Jesus as in the former appears but also in this their brutish folly to which God justly leaves them is so made manifest that all of any understanding in naturall things or things within the reach of mans reason may easily see it For in such things its evident not onely that the power excellency and efficacy of some man or men on earth may reach much further then his personal body or then the place in which that is yea the farther and the more fruitfully for his standing or abiding in some one place where he may be more profitable and fruitful to others then if he were personally with them according to which our Saviour instructs his Disciples in the necessity and usefulness to them ward of his leaving the World and going away from them to the Father to appear in his presence and stand in his Name for our help John 14. 2. 3. and 16. 7. 28 with Heb. 7. 8. 9. 4. 14. c. 1 John 2. 1 2. But farther also its evident to all that know anything and therein may be also some resemblance of this business that even the Visible Sun is placed in the firmament to run and keep its course there yet those heavens cannot contain its glory that it should not Shine to us and have its effects on the earth nor could it so generally Shine and have such Universal influences and effects if its body were not set or placed at such a distance from us Quest 10. Where or how came Christ into the house where his Disciples were met after his Resurrection the doors being shut John 20. 19. 26. Have not some of you said that then his body being spirituallized it glided in at the key hole of the door for so it hath been spoken concerning some of your way An. This hath two or three questions in it the two first are foolish and unlearned and to be avoided by us as where he came in or how it being not revealed otherwise or farther then thus That the same Jesus that dyed and rose did when his Disciples were in a house together come the doors being shut and stand in the midst of them even in that body of his flesh that saw no corruption having flesh and bones hands and feet the same body that was
earth and offer up himself a perfect and for ever acceptable Sacrifice and abide a Priest for ever after the order of Melchizedeck The second of these and that so called is when God shall send us from Heaven the same Jesus Christ that was made of the Seed of David after the desh even him whom they Crucified slew and hung on a Tree whom God raised up whom the Heaven must receive till the restitution of all things And so when he the Son of man shall appear on the Earth where he was before humbled even to death made sin and a curse for us when he shall appear in the same body in which he so suffered in his own Glory which he obtained for us by sufferings and now possesseth for us and so in the Glory of his Father and with his holy Angels without sin or any such imputation or fruits of it upon him as in his first appearing was born by him for though he knew not sin yet he was then made sin for us When he shall so appear in his Glory to the utmost Salvation of those that look for him and restoring the Creation from under the bondage of corruption under which now it groans yea to raise and judge all men at that his appearing and Kingdom and subdue all things to himself Acts 1. 1â— and 3. 19 20 21. Mat. 16. 27. and 25. 31. and 26. 64. 1 Thes 4. 16. Phil. 3. 21. Heb. 9. 26. 28. Now of these personal comings of Christ into the World their queries should mean because they speak of his second coming as one of them about which they query how many we own and his second appearing so called must be an appearing in such a sence as in which he once appeared and but once before that and therefore cannot be understood oâ— his appeâ—â—rances or comings in the formentioned sences but in the latter only But this we know they cannot own any such coming of Christ in such a sence a second time or after his once suffering in the flesh they may have an immagination of his appearing or coming in the flesh often and in other persons and bodies after as before he did appear in that one personal body but they can have no expectation of his appearing again from Heaven in that body of his flesh his now Glorious body and in the glory now possessed by him for us because they believe not that this man continues for ever nor believe they any such Christ that is the very and the onely Christ that now hath a personal body of his own distinct from all other Spirits and bodies and is therein not on Earth but in the Heavens and therefore can have no expectation of any such coming of his from thence Their question therefore if plain according to their principles and to what they design to deny and make void should have been Whether we still expect a second or another personal and bodily coming of Christ into the World or other then hath been already accomplished and is or may be fulfilled in all ages in Divers persons To which our answer is Yea with much thankfulnesse to God and rejoycing in him with joy unspeakable and full of Glory we do and though they scoff at us for it he shall appear to our Glory that so look for him and they shall be ashamed But to their Question as it is having thus distinguished the comings of Christ in divers sences 2. We further answer that of personal and bodily comings of Christ into the World we own two and no more the one past the other yet to come 1. The first was not ofâ—en from the foundation of the World but once in the end of the World Four thousand years and upwards from the Creation and yet now long since for it was in the dayes of Cesar Augustus when Herod was Deputy King of Iudea and when Cyreneus was Governour of Syria and when there went out a decree from Cesar that all the World should be taxed and all went to be taxed every one to his own City Luke 1. 5. and â— â— 4. c. And his coming into the World was on this wise his body in which he was made flesh of the seed of David and came into the World was prepared for him by the Immediate and wonderful operation of the Holy Ghost not in the mind but in the womb of a woman a Virgin and not in any other womb he was made of a Woman of one not of many a Woman that had not known man Mary a Virgin of the house of David espoused to one Joseph a Carpenter a man distinct from other men who yet had not taken her to wife and feared to take her after she was found with Child till he was informed by an Angel that that which was conceived in her was of the Holy Ghost and his Name should be called Jesus for he should save his people from their sins of her he was born at Bethlehem where his birth was providentially ordered that the Scripture might be fulfilled and so in his Birth of Mary he came not into any man or woman but into the World and unto men And as his conception and Birth of Mary was foretold by an Angel so when born his Birth in a Stable in Bethlehem was declared and he that very person then and so born of her proclaimed though then a Babe to be Christ the Lord by Angels with great rejoycing and when eight dayes were accomplished for the circumcising the Child his Name was called Jesus which was so named of the Angel before he was conceived in the womb and when about a moneth after his birth they presented him to the Lord in the Temple he was witnessed unto by old Simeon to whom it had been revealed by the Holy Ghost that he should not see death till he had seen the Lords Christ He then coming by the Spirit into the Temple when the Parents brought in the Child Jesus took him up in his arms and said Lord now lettest thou thy Servant depart in peace for mine eyes have seen thy Salvation even the Lords Christ c. Likewise by one Anna a Prophetess who coming in at that instant gave thanks likewise to the Lord and spake of him even that Child Jesus to all them that looked for Redemption in Jerusalem Luke 2. After this he was carried by Joseph with Mary his Mother into Egypt till the death of Herod who sought to slay him and to that end slew all the male Children in Bethlehem but slew not him which he had certainly done in slaying them if he had been in every or any of them personally or as in that body of Jesus but he was not so he was carried into Egypt and after brought back by his Father and Mother into Nazareth of Galilee that the Scripture might be fulfilled which saith he shall be called a Nazarene and there dwelt with them sometime whence also he was called Jesus of Nazareth
so with us as we have the Power viz. In bodily presence the Heavens do receive him till the times of restitution of all things and from thence he is in the name of the Father vertually and Spiritually among men as before is shewed And whosoever denyeth this Jesus to be the very Christ is of Antichrist and what do they lesse that confesse him not or do not Preach or lift up the Son of man as already come in the flesh and having finished the works in his own body the Father gave him to do on the Earth and so as being by means thereof glorified in that very body in the highest Heavens with the Father compare 1 John 2. 22. with Chap. 4. 3. and John 3. 14. 16. 1 Tim 3. 16. Heb. 3. 26. But put the Name of Christ upon something that in their immagination is daily coming in the flesh and so appearing and suffering in the flesh for the putting away of sin often from the foundation of the World and is not now in a real personal Glorious body in the Heaven of heavens above the Earth but in the immaginary heaven in them on the Earth and call that their Idol the good Seed the Light and that Jesus that is the Christ as is the scope of this and the former Queries But our Jesus that is the very Christ of God who not often but once in the end of the World hath appeared to put away sin by the Sacrifice of himself is now not on Earth but in Heaven with the Father in his spotlesse and Glorious body appearing in the presence of God for us the great Apostle and high Priest of our profession he is therefore and from thence in the Name of the Father sending forth his Spirit in his Testimony to us and therein Spiritually and powerfully present with us preserving us from their delusions and strengthening us in believing that very Jesus to be the Son of God to overcome their assaults and still to wait for that his coming again which is truly and properly called his second coming which we are sure they have never seen nor is it yet come nor hath been to any what ever any vainly imagine and boast of For 2. Of this next and second coming of Christ it is affirmed by the Spirit of Truth 1. That it shall be in the same body in which he suffered and rose from the dead the third day and shewed himself to his Disciples alive after his passion even the same Jesus which while they beheld was taken up from them into Heaven Acts 1. 9. 10. and 3. 31. 15. 20 21. Mat. 26. 64. 2. His so coming shall be not a coming up in any man but a coming down from Heaven the Heaven above as opposed to the Earth beneath whence t is said he shall descend or come down which in respect of Glorious state or dignity he never shall as before is shewed 1 Thes 4. 16. 2 Thes 1. 7. Phil. 3. 20. 3. In this his coming all that sleep in Jesus with all of that body then surviving shall first see him but not one of them before another for in his very descending from Heaven before he appear upon the Earth by the sound of his voice in a moment in the twinkling of an eye the dead in Christ shall be raised and the survivers of that body shall then be changed and all of them suddenly caught up together to meet the Lord in the Ayre 1 Cor 15. 51 52. 1 Thes 4. 14 15 16 17. 4. This his coming then will be visible as the lightning that shines from the East and cometh even to the West Mat 24. 27. Luke 17. 24. So as every eye shall see him even those that shall wail before him Rev. 1. 7. Mat. 24. 30. and 26. 64. Mark 13. 26. and 14. 62. 5. This his visible coming shall be unto the Earth not with some but with all his Saints with him they being raised and changed as aforesaid and he shall then fully deliver the oppressed and slay all the wicked even every one that doth not presently submit to serve him and his People Zach. 14. 1. 5. 2 Pet. 3. 5 6 7. Psal 75. 10. and 149. 2 Thes 1. 7 8 9 10. 6. Then not onely all his Saints that come with him shall have Immortal bodies being as and equal to the Angels Luke 20 36. But also he will then restore all things even the other part of the Creation distinct from man that were made subject to vanity delivering it from the bondage of Corruption renewing the face of it for he shall make new Heavens and new Earth and all things new Acts 3. 20 21. Isa 6. and 65. 17. 2 Pet. 3. 10. 13. Rev. 21. 1. 5. Rom. 8. 19. 23. And then shall he take to him his great Power and Reign sitting on the Throne of David in Power and great Glory and set those that have been his suffering Saints on Thrones and they shall Reign with him on the Earth and judge the World until the finall and Eternal Judgement seize upon all the ungodly at the last and general Resurrection Isa 9. 7. Rev. 11. 15. 18 Luke 1. 31. 32 33 with Mat. 25. 31. c. Dan. 7. 13. 14. 18. 27. 1 Cor. 6. 2. Rev. 5. 10. and â—â— 4. 6 c. More might be but enough is said to shew that his second coming so called in Scripture his glorious appearing never yet hath been to any nor now is and though it be the day of the desire and longing of all unfeigned believers yet none of them shall see or injoy it otherwise then by Faith in the hope of it and powerful efficacies of that hope retained until they shall all see it together Luke 17. 22. 24. 37. 2 Tim. 4. â— Heb. 11. 40. 2 Thes 2. 1. with Chap. 1. 7. Yea they are all looking and waiting for it all the time of this present World while also they are waiting for the Redemption of the Body Tit. 2. 12 13. Heb. 9. 28. Rom. 8. 19. 25. Phil. 3. 20. 21. And if any say they have it or have seen it otherwise then by Faith as aforesaid and so lo here is Christ or there such are false christs and false prophets and we on such grounds as forementioned or warned not to believe or go after them Luke 17. 23 24. Mat. 24 23 24. As likewise if they say with Himmeneus the Resurrection is past already 2 Tim. 2. 18. Nor shall such scoffs or scoffers as 2 Pet. 3. 4. or as these appear in this question make us ashamed to professe We yet look and waite for this his second appearing and coming knowing that whatever reproach or denyal of it such make he that shall come will come and will not tarry longer then the appointed time which also hastens in his times God shall send and shew him c. Acts 3. 20. 1 Tim. 6. 14 15. Heb. 10. 37. 16. Query What are those seeds that must
God by whom all things were made So there was not nor ever was or will be any other man or Angel like him and so as he was and is John 1. 1 2 3. Col 1. 15 16. Phil. 2. 7. 2. He saith not as he was when the Word was made flesh in Vnion of Person with the Son of God Gods onely Son his first begotten and first born God-man in one Person John 1. 14. 18. Mat. 1. 23. So is no man else 3. He saith not as he is now at Gods Right hand in his body glorified by virtue of that he did here on the Earth in his personal sufferings for so he is the Lord of all Angels Powers and Authorities being made subject to him 1 Pet. 3. 22. alive and living for evermore and hath the Keys of Hell and Death Rev. 1. 18. Yea so he is the Christ exalted a Prince and Saviour to give Repentance and Remission of sins Acts 2. 36. and 5. 31 32. The great High Priest and King that hath all Power in Heaven and Earth given to him Heb. 7. and 8. Mat. 28. 18. The fulnesse of the God-head dwelling in him bodily Col 2. 9 10. The Mediator of God and man 1 Tim. 2. 5. The Way the Truth the Life John 14. 6. The recoverer of Man-kind the second Man the last Adam who is made a quickening Spirit Rom 5. 14. 18. Gal. 3. 13. 14. and 4. 4. 1 Cor. 15. 45 to 49. The Saviour of the World and propitiation for the sins of the whole World 1 John 2. 2. and 4. 14. The Authour of Faith and of Salvation Heb. 12. 2. and 5. 9. The caller of all Isa 45. 22. The Head and Husband of the Church and special Advocate of believers Ephes 5. 26. and 1. 22. 23. 1 John 2. 1. So he is and was so as there never was is or will be found another in these respects as he to do that which and as he hath done and to be by virtue thereof as and what he is 4. He saith not as he is in himself in his own person and for the work done by him and excellency in him in the estimate will and love of God his Father so and in the same manner and sence are we Not so for it hath pleased the Father that in him all fulnesse should dwell and that in all things he should have the preheminence Col. 1. 18 19. And so likewise is he in the esteem of the true Church 2 Cor. 4. 5. Col. 3. 11. So as no other is as he much lesse upon the account of any thing done in and by them 5. He saith not as he shall appear at his coming again so are we in this World no that is denied by the Apostle for in that respect we are dead and our life hid with Christ in God and such conformity to him is not here to be enjoyed but waited for till his glorious appearing 1 John 3. 2. Col. 3. 3 4. none yet so as he is Phil. 3. 12. and 20 21. 6. He saith not simply as he is so are we not so for he is the mighty God Tiâ— 2. 13. God over all blessed for ever Rom. 9. 5. God-man in one person John 1. 14. Mat. 1. 23. He by whom the Worlds are upheld Heb. 1. 3. And by him God will raise and judge all men Rom. 2. 16. None therefore so as he in such respects 7. Nor saith he as he was in the World so are we though in some respects that be true He when here in weaknesse here on Earth was then Immanual the onely begotten Son of God the Saviour of the World So no other none so impowered to give forth the Gospel and appoint new Ordinances to be used as he was we may onely receive declare and use what he gave forth and appointed Yet as he when on Earth preached that Gospel and suffered shame and reproach for so doing and was humble meek loving patient and constant to the death in so doing So it becomes us to do and be that we may therein be like him John 15. 1â— 22. Ephes 5. 1. 2. 1 Pet. 2. 22. And so in living by Faith so as he but this Text speaks in a more proper Language for incouragement And so 8. He saith plainly not of others but of themselves the Apostles and those unfained believers that were one with them in the same Faith as he is so are we in this World He had before declared the foundation and Gods love commended therein as the ground of confidence and love vers 9. 10 11. like that in Rom. 5. 1. 10. And how by the abiding of this love in us God dwells in us and his love is perfected in us vers 7 8. 12 13. And then affirming that they had seen and did Testifie that the Father sent the Son the Saviour of the World vers 1â— and how they had known and believed the same commended through him and how they that have believed and dwell in that love dwell in God and God in them vers 15 16. He adds herein is love with us or our love made perfect he saith not so perfect as there is no fear in us because there is none in love but that perfect love casteth out fear c. doth dayly or continually cast it out as it riseth in us that so we may have boldnesse in the day of Judgement And giveth this as the reason because as he is which can here be no other then as he is in the publication and demonstrations of him in the Gospel approved and received or dispised and rejected so are we in the declaration and holding forth of this message approved or rejected in this World which is sutable to that foretold by our Saviour Mat. 10. 40. Luke 10. 16. Again as he used comparatively signifies not in every respect nor in the fulnesse of measure as may be seen Mat. 10. 16. Gal. â— 12. Rev. 16 15. And so here Not as he by his omnipotent power upholding the Heavens and the Earth and ruling amongst all for ever making his counsel to take place upholding his Church in the World c. Not as be is in his omniscience in the World seeing all things and beholding the hearts thoughts and wayes of all men not as he in his Perfection of Holinesse and Righteousnesse as inherently found in us He is yet about that work to bring his Church to that that he may in his season present them so to himself Ephes 5. 26 27. 1 Thes 5. 23 24. Acts 3 19 20 21. Because of his perfect Righteousnesse and Power vengence belongs to him and he may punish and cut off at his pleasure not so we Rom. 12. 19. So that such an assuring to be like him as thâ—se imply in such perfection of sinlessnesse applying it to themselves is to aspire to such a likenesse to and equality with God as the Serpent tempted Eve to And no marvel if such be high conceited of themselves and
us or with any that know and believe the Scriptures but they imply That if Adam was under a covenant of works do this and live then he should not have lived when he was in innocency till he had done some thing to merit life Rep. The mistake of this is shewed above in that that covenant was not for the first giving but for the continuance of his life in the favour of God and that though he could not merit by any works and obedience was to be continued upon his working that that was good sinlesly otherwise he was to die as appeared in that he lost it by his sinning and fell under death from which that covenant afforded no Redemption as the covenant in Christ doth so that we have not spoken ignorantly as they charge us but the ignorance is found with them that confound what covenant Adam was under with what was given to the people of Israel for convincement of their sin when fallen The covenant of works or Law as given to fallen man in the hand of a Mediator entred because of transgression till the seed came and so was given with subordination to the covenant of grace even the grace of God in the Redeemer from the fall and the death that came by sin as the naturall death also did though they erroneously imply the contrary and no marvaile for if that death be by sin then there must be a Redemption out of that death and so a Resurrection of the body from it which seeing they deny how can they grant it comes in by sin and that the seed should Redeem the creature out of it So that herein also their iniquity and corrupt judgement is seen and the root of their deniall that the naturall death came in by sin namely their deniall of the Redemption by Christ from that death and so the Resurrection of the body from it as after will more appear so that here Reader we have a complication of errours in them Thus much to their defence of their first errour about their sinlesness let us see how they defend their second Our second charge of them was about the personall body of Christ in which he suffered which that it is ascended into Heaven the Heavens without all men and above the clouds opposed to the visible earth we say they would not be brought to acknowledge touching which whether we questioned severall times altering our words as they charge us let them judge that read our book But they say W. and F. We contradict our selves because we say that they said the same body that suffered was glorified at Gods right hand in heaven Rep. Nay not unless by that body and that Heaven we say they meant as we expressed in our question which we said they did not and they in their book clearly manifest the truth of what we therein said so that it 's but another falshood added to the former to say that we are stifled in our own confusion and another yet to say that we charge them ignorantly with what they meant for here they plainly say W. and F. It appears we hold Christ hath two bodies in telling of a mysticall body and not receiving that as in answer that his body is the Church the fulness of him that filleth all in all and in that from our words they say we would have Christ to have a body besides or distinct from the fulness of God when as the Scripture doth not say that Christ hath two bodies or that his body is a body of flesh and bones without the blood in it as they say we told them Rep. See here Reader did we ignorantly charge them that by the body they said was glorified in Heaven they meant his Church do not they here speak it out while they tax us with holding Christ hath two bodies because we say he hath his personall body in which he suffered and which he shewed to have flesh and bones in it as a Spirit hath not And is it more absurd for Christ to have in two senses a body or two bodies in different senses of the word body then for the believer to have two heads in two distinct senses hath not George Whitehead and the rest each of them their personall head in which they have tongues with which they smite them that are more righteous then themselves And if they were believers in truth should they not have Christ for their head too And why then may not Christ have a body of his own as a man the man Christ Jesus in which he shewed his Disciples flesh and bones and yet have a body mysticall or body signifying a Church society or congregation as he is the Ruler and Governour of them and in them by his Spirit And doth not the Scripture set forth both these to us as distinct bodies though those very words two bodies it hath not was it his body the Church in which he shewed his Disciples his flesh and bones hands and feet that were pierced with Nailes and in which he bare our sins on the tree And was it his personal body for which Paul filled up the remainder of the sufferings Col. 1. 24. Is there not expresly the body of his flesh mentioned Col. 1. 22. In which he reconciled us to God his now glorious body in the Heavens to which the body of his Church is to be fashioned into the likeness of it Phil. 3. 20. 21. And the body his Church Col. 1. 24. See here how these men broadly deny Christ as man and onely make him a Spirit filling the Church and so the Spirit and the Church to be Christ and is not that all the Christ they confess now to be And whereas they say we would have Christ to have a body besides and distinct from the fulness of God Col. 2. 9. We say we acknowledge a body in which dwells the fulness of the Godhead which we say is distinct from the fulness of the Godhead that dwells in it and is distinct too from the Church the fulness it is not said of God as God but of him that filleth all in all that is of Christ as Mediator in the power of God Ephes 4. 9 10. Yet that his body is a body of flesh and bones in Heaven without blood in it we determined not but that that body of flesh and bones or in which he shewed his Disciples flesh and bones is ascâ—nded up into Heaven and he as in it is glorified against which they reason thâ—â— W. and F. It 's not proper to say a body of flesh and bones is in the Heavens as if it were in many places at once for Heavens are more then one a silly reason for by that reason it 's not proper to say a body of flesh and bones is in the waters or a stone sinks in the waters for waters are more then one Heaven and Heavens are indifferently used in the Singular or Plurall number as water and waters be as we
are as followeth For John Horn and Thomas Moor both Teachers who disputed against George Whitehead at Lin the 15. th day of the 7th month 59. A few questions of concernment for them or any that own them to answer directly 1. WHether do you own that Christ hath two Bodies one in Heaven and another on Earth yea or nay 2. Whether the body of Christ which is the sulnesse of God whereof the Saints are members is a Body of flesh and bones in the Heavens yea or nay 3. Whether did the body of flesh and bones wherein Christ suffered descend from Heaven into the lower parts of the Earth yea or nay Seeing no man hath ascended up to Heaven but the Son of man which came down from Heaven And it is the same that descended into the lower parts of the Earth that ascended far above all Heavens that be might fill all things Eph. 4. 9 10. Psal 68. 18. 4. What and where are the lower parts of the Earth whereinto Christ descended from his Father 5. And if he which descended into the lower parts of the Earth be a person of flesh and bones which ascended far above all Heavens what is that place he is in far above all Heavens which is not Heaven 6. Whether do you believe that all the Heavens are local places one above another and above the Firmament called Heaven yea or nay 7. Can a body of flesh and bone be both in the Heavens and far above them all and fill all things at one and the same time yea or nay 8. Seeing Thomas Moor did not own that Christs body is a carnal body in Heaven how is it that you say his body is a body of flesh and bones or a humane body without blood in it is not a fleshly body Carnal 9. Can any locall place containe that Glory which Christ had with the Father before the World was wherein he is Glorified 10. Where or how came Christ into the house where his Disciples were met after his Resurrection the doors being shut John 20. 19. 26. Have not some of you said that then his body being Spirituallized it glided in at the Key-hole of the door for so it hath been spoken concerning some of your way 11. Whether the same Christ who in the dayes of his flesh suffered persecution whose body was subject to hunger and afliction be not made a quickening Spirit 1 Cor. 15. 45. And yet his flesh and blood is so nigh to every true believer that his Flesh is his meat indeed and his Blood is his drink indeed 12. And if the Blood of Christ that was shed be the drink indeed and the purger of the Conscience where is that blood if not in Christs flesh as you affirmed Seeing that men must drink the Blood of Christ as well as eat his Flesh or else they have no life in them 13. And was the Blood of Christ that was shed seperate from his Body and then bearing Record in the Earth when John wrote these words in 1 John 5 8. 14. And how can the Blood of Christ either cleanse away from sin or give life to any if the Life of Christ be not in it as Thomas Moor affirmed 15. How many comings of Christ do you own seeing you yet have his second coming without sin unto Salvation to look for 16. What are these seeds that must every one have its own Body in the Resurrection and whether are they Natural or Spiritual 17. And must not every seed have a body of its own nature 18. And whether the wicked upon whom after Death Judgement is come whose souls are in Hell must afterward come out of Hell again to receive a second Judgement 19. Whether the receiving Bread and Wine to shew the Lords Death be to continue an Ordinance in the Church till the end of the World yea or nay 20. And whether doth the receiving Bread and Wine alone without an outward Passeover really figure forth the Death of Christ 21. And how must the life of Christ be shewen forth and when if People must receive Bread and Wine as a continuing Ordinance in this Life alwayes to shew forth the Death of Christ 22. What is your ground for sprinkling the Children of them you count believers have you ever a command from God or evident example for it if you have shew it 23. Whether do you own such Teachers as take Tythes or Preach for hire or for gifts and rewards yea or nay 24. What is the Soul of man which the Word of God is to save and what is the difference between the Soul and the Spirit seeing the word of God divides them asunder 25. Whether men must be justified by the same Righteousness of Christ in them which sanstifies them yea or nay 26. What is that Light with which Christ lighteth every man that cometh into the world which Thomas Moor said is both Natural and Spirituall Name one Light that every man is lighted with that is both Natural and Spiritual or else let your silence be an acknowledgement of your Ignorance touching the Light and that you have confuted your selves for Thomas Moor would not acknowledge that every man hath a Spiritual Light in him or is inlightned with a Spiritual Light But that every man should in due time be enlightned with such a Light when the seed is sown or by the Preaching of the Gospel what says he then to this the Gospel is preached in every Creature under Heaven Answer directly in simplicity without evading from these things propounded to you as you did evade and cavil at the dispute and Thomas Moor severall times fled from his own words and John Horn when you could not answer to our Question where the Blood of Christ is which you say is the foundation of Faith in his deceit asked us the same question again leave off such deceit for shame and come down to the simplicity of God in you and speak not evil of the things you know not And if you answer these questions send or give your answer to some of our friends in Lin to be conveyed to me Who am a friend to the Truth But a witnesse against all Deceit Hypocrisie and dead formality that is among you George Whitehead An Answer to the Questions forementioned THese Questions give so full intimation of their Antichristian Spirit and give us such occasion to discover it to others and so evidence the Truth of God in the great things of his Doctrine against their endeavours to make it void That since all the three forementioned have owned them as sent by them all We have judged it seasonable and tending to the profit of many that they may be saved to make them with this answer publick which answer is owned by John Horn and Thomas Moor senior and Thomas Moor junior And in it we desire the Readers to note that we direct not our speech to them because they have been already discovered and proved deceivers and
Antichrists and as such rejected by us But in this we apply our selves to the Reader in general intending herein a farther discovery of that mysterie of iniquity and spirit of deceit and Antichrist that works privily in and by them to a denying the Lord that bought them and that by a manifestation of the Truth without hidden things of dishonesty not walking in craftinesse as they have done That so we may be instrumental in instructing the Ignorant strengthening the weak and edifying and preserving believers in their most holy Faith And if yet it might be to any of them in undeceiving the deceived that are already turned aside after Satan to follow the pernicious wayes of this spirit of Antichrist as found in this people called Quakers or in any other that appear not under that name or form with them for the same spirit is working in and walking in by many others 1. Que. Their first question is whether do you own that Christ hath two Bodies one in Heaven and another on Earth yea or nay Answ Here are two questions in this one Namely Whether we own that Christ hath two Bodies 2. VVhether one in Heaven and another on Earth and in both parts ambigiously propounded in such generall and doubtfull tearms as are capable of divers acceptations without declaring in what sence they use any of those generall tearms in the query so that it is not capable of receiving a single and direct answer as propounded by them For 1. The word body is used diversly in Scripture sometimes for divers members of flesh and bone compact together and united in one Person to one personal Head 1 Cor 12. 12. 14. 20. Rom. 12. 4. And in this sence the man hath a body of his own distinct from his wives and the woman a body of her own distinct from her husbands 1 Cor. 7. 4. Sometimes for divers persons compact together and united in one politick or mystical body under one Governour as their head or for such society union and fellowship made up of divers persons as in which they are joyntly set and compact together for the good of each other and therein for others benefit So the man and his wife are one flesh one body who yet in the sore mentioned sence of the word Body have each their distinct body of their own as we shewed see Mat. 19. 5 6. Eph. 5. 28. 29. 33. 1 Cor. 6. 16. So also divers persons united and set in order in a Common-wealth or corporation under one Head or Government so as each may serve for the good of the other and all joyntly for the good of the whole are one body not personall but politick where every member hath his particular personall body distinct from each other as Eph. 2 12. with Cap. 3. 6. In some answerable sence likewise the words the Body of Christ are used in Scriptures in a two-sold sence as to say 1. For that body of his flesh in which the Word was made flesh and came and dwelt among men on the Earth in which many members of flesh and bones hands and feet were united in one personal body even in that one body which as in the Counsel of God foreordained from the beginning so in due time was actually prepared for him when he came into the World by the gift and appointment of the Father in the power and operation of the Holy Ghost In which he was made of a woman made under the Law to redeem them that were under the Law and in which himself bore our sins on the Tree dyed and was buried and the third Day rose again and appeared oft to his Disciples and affirmed and demonstrated himself to be that very He in the same body having flesh and bones hands and feet which they before had seen yea the same in which while some of them beheld him he was taken up from them and carryed into Heaven and there compleated the offering up of himself in that his own Body once for all And in which he remaineth on the right hand of God in Heaven it self till the times of the Restitution of all things when he will come again and appear in the same body as visibly as he went up and in the Glory he now possesseth for us in Heaven with the Father Col. 1. 22. with John 1. 14. Heb. 10. 5. 10. with Mat. 1. 18 22. Luke 1. 34 35. and Gal. 4 4. 1 Pet. 2. 24. Luke 23. 46. 52. 23. and 24. 3. 6 7. 36. to the end John 20. Acts 1. 9. 11. and 3. 21. His body in this sence of the word is called the body of his flesh as distinguished from his body in such a sence as his Church spiritually and by Faith united with him are said to be his body see Col. 1 22. 24. And as distinguished from our personal bodies that while in this mortal state are vile the Body of Christ in this first sence as raised from the dead and exalted is called his Glorious Body Phil. 3. last 2. The same words the Body of Christ are also used to expresse to us a society or Congregation of many distinct persons united to him by Faith as their Head and Husband And so all those that by the love of God commended by the Holy Ghost through the blood of Christ and the Excellency of Christ discovered in the Preaching of his Crosse are Redeemed and drawn off from other objects and brought in to believe in him and so united by Faith to him and in love to him and one another to be ordered by the Royall Law These are his Congregation House or Church and so his Body whereof he in his personal body is the head And they each in their distinet personal bodies while here on Earth Spiritually and by Faith members of him in love and fellowship members also of one another Even as he that is joyned to a Harlot or Woman is one flesh and so they twayn are one flesh and so one body in a fleshly union or union in the flesh So in some answerable sence he that is joyned to the Lord is one Spirit and so of that one body in the unity of the Spirit Eph. 4. 3. 4. Yea even their particular bodies in this unity of the Spirit are the members of Christ and so of the one mystical body of Christ of his House Temple or Church yet each member hath his distinct personall body distinct from each other and all distinct from his personal body in which he is the head of his body the Church 1 Cor. 6. 15. 17. Eph. 1. 22 23. with Act. 20. 28. 1 Cor. 12. 13. 27. Rom. 12. 5. Again 2. To have may be diversly said As to say 1. A man may have something as part of himself and so our Saviour even after his Resurrection from the dead is said by himself to have flesh bones hands and feet so as a spirit hath not and so to have them as of the essence of
bodily Col. 2. 9. with Capter 1. 19. Not that his body is the fulnesse of God or of the God-head but that dwells in him bodily that so of his fulnesse we might receive And of his Body the Church he saith it is his fulnesse namely the fulness of Christ as he is the Head of a Body viz. of an union of many persons in one Body now although that head be God blessed for ever and he and the Father are one though distinct in respect of the manner of their being in the God-head and as so distinct as Christ is the Head of the Church so the Head of Christ is God 1 Cor. 11. 3. So although Christ who is the Head of the Church be God yet the Church is not said to be his fulnesse simply as he is God but as he is the Head of the Church and that is as he is God man in one Person the Man Christ Jesus now raised from the dead and continuing ever with the the Father even as so considered he is the Fountain of all fulnesse for us and filleth all in all compare Ephes 1. 20. 23. with chap. 4. 8 9 10 c. and Col. 1. 13. 19. and 2. 9. 19. Heb. 7. 23 24 25. as so considered he is the Head of the Church and as he in that his personal body is the Head and Husband so the Church is his fulnesse even as Eve was Adams or as the Natural Body is the Heads fulnesse the Church is that in which is the fulnesse or compleating of him as he is the Head of a body viz. of an union of many persons in one body for so as we have shewed before he could not have a Body in such a sence had he not members many Persons united to himself as their Head Governour and Husband Further also their Querie is perverse and corrupt in that it intimately charges us as calling the Personal Body of our Lord Jesus Christ now Glorified a Body of flesh and bones which is a slander for it is not our expression but theirs used oft by way of derision and reproach of him and though possibly we may sometimes have let it pass without consideration or particular notice of it in some discourse that may have passed between us yet the expression we own not but say with the Scripture That the Personal Body of Christ hath flesh and bones hands and feet even the same in which he once suffered for sins the just for the unjust truly called the Body of his flesh and in that very body he is now glorified yea this we have divers times asserted to them in answer to such their deriding expressions and still do assert that the Personal Body of our Lord Jesus Christ for which we contend is not a body without a spirit which a body of flesh and bones may be yet we are so far from being ashamed of the Words of Christ and bearing the reproach cast upon his Glorious Body by them That as we know and believe as the Scripture hath said so we confesse that Jesus Christ was made of the Seed of David after the Flesh Rom. 1. 3. made of a woman Gal. 4. 4. and so took part of flesh and blood with mankind that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death that is the Devil c. Heb. 2. 14 15 16. and so he dyed as man mortal but he rose again the same body spiritual and immortal his Body not a spirit though spiritual yet truly a body yea the body of a man and in that sence humane The same he that dyed and was buried is risen and ascended having flesh and bones even such as before his ascention was seen and handled by his Disciples and so himself saith of himself and did walk speak and eat before them and shewed them his hands and his feet to confirm the same Luke 24. 36. 44. John 20. and 21. And while he blessed them and they beheld him he was parted from them and carried up into Heaven Luke 2. 50 51. Acts 1. 9 10 11. And as his Disciples that saw were blessed so he hath also pronounced them blessed that have not so seen and yet believe John 20. 29. 1 Pet. 1. 8. so that though we call not his personal body a body of flesh and bones yet believing his sayings we are not ashamed to confesse he hath flesh and bones though not carnal or mortal like mortal men whole life is in then blood and may be let out with a Sword and must die But his though humane yet spiritual and immortal and because of that suffered and done by him in that Body in which he hath overcome death and so received gifts in the man it s by way of Eminency and Peculiarity called his flesh and his bones and he in that body is in the Heaven of Heavens nor is there any but the Spirit of Satan in Antichrist that will move any to deny or reproach this as these do From all which considerations we refuse this Question as thus stated by them as foolish unlearned corrupt and prophane But yet for the help of the weak if it be queried what is that his Body of which he is said to be the Head and which is said to be his fulnesse as he is the Head Ephes 1. 23. We answer Not his Body in the first sence but in the second viz. not such an union of many Members in one Body as in which they are all united in one person or personal body but the union of many persons believers or Persons so imputed that have each a distinct personal Body in one mystical body Church or Congregation under that one head who hath also a distinct personal body of his own in which he is the head and also the Saviour of that his Body the Church see the Text Ephes 1. 22 23. with chap. 5. 23. 28. If it be further Queried whether the Body of Christ in this sence or his Body the Church have flesh and bones it s already answered 1. He who is the Head of it hath a distinct Body that hath flesh and bones now glorified in which he is the Head 2. The members also that are living on the earth have each their distinct personal bodies that have flesh and bones yea they are yet partakers of flesh and blood in weaknesse and mortality and their bodies vile Phil. 3. 21. Rom. 8. 10. 23. Heb. 2. 14. If yet further any Querie whether this Body be in Heaven it is likewise already answered The Head who is their forerunner is already entered and so they in him as in their head and with him by the faith of the operation of God who hath raised him he saith not them his own personal Body not theirs from the dead see Col. 2. 12. with Ephes 1. 20 21 22. and Chap. 2. 6. Heb. 6 19 20. with Chap. 4. 3. But they in their particular bodies are not so entered but while at home
in the flesh or natural Body in its mortal state are absent from the Lord as is shewed in the Answer to their first Queries nor are they meet so to enter for flesh and blood man in his present mortal and unchanged state cannot inherit the Kingdom of God neither doth corruption inherit incorruption and they are yet dead though Christ be in them and the spirit made alive in a first fruits because of Righteousnesse yet the body is dead because of sin and so even they that have the first fruits of the spirit are yet waiting for the adoption that is the Redemption of the Body for their life is yet hid with Christ in God when Christ who is their life shall appear then shall they also appear with him in glory having their vile bodies fashioned into the likenesse of his Glorious Body 2 Cor. 3. 6 7 8. Phil. 1. 23 24 and 3. 21. Rom. 8. 10. 23. with Col. 3. 1. 3 4. 1 Cor. 15. 50. 53. W. F. 3. Querie Whether did the body of flesh and bones wherein Christ suffered descend from Heaven into the lower parts of the earth yea or nay seeing no man hath ascended up to Heaven but the Son of man which came down from Heaven and it is the same that descended into the lower parts of the earth that ascended far above all heavens that he might fill all things Ephes 4. 9 10. Psal 68. 18. Answ In this Querie is first an intimate acknowledgement though it may seem in a deriding way of Christs suffering in a Body of flesh and bones But the intention of this Querie with the following is to deny and reproach the acknowledgement of the Resurrection of Christ and his ascention into Heaven in that very body in which he suffered dyed and was buried in the denyal of which his personal Cross of sufferings is made of none effect The Apostles Preaching rendred vain and false and faith in him of no effect yea the general Resurrection of the dead is also herein denyed 1 Cor. 15. 13. 19. c. And to this purpose there is an Argument contained in this Querie by which they would inforce the denial of the foresaid acknowledgement of the Resurrection and Ascention of Jesus the Lord in that body of his flesh in which he suffered viz. That that body in which he suffered in the flesh did not descend from Heaven into the lower parts of the earth and therefore neither is that ascended up to Heaven seeing no man hath ascended up to Heaven but he that came down from Heaven c. So that here is more then a Querie even an Argument from their intimate and implyed denial of the descension of that body to inforce the denial of his ascention the corruption and foolishnesse of which we shall shew in our answer to the Querie to which we say 1. The Scriptures they mention give this plain answer That he even the Son of man came down from Heaven and descended into the lower parts of the earth which we believing do therefore confess as the Scripture hath said for although that his personal Body in which he was made man and became the son of man was actually prepared for him or the preparation of it was made in the earth according to that prophetical speaking of it long before in which by a word in the time past first another expression in the time to come following it is signified to be then vertually but not actually done the Lord hath created a new thing in the earth a woman shall compass a man Jer. 31. 22. for he was made flesh of a woman John 1. 14. Rom. 1. 3. Gal. 4 4 and therein curiously framed in the lower parts of the earth Psal 139 15. And so as to the matter of his Body as of the Seed of David it was not before materially existent in Heaven otherwise then in the Counsel of God decreeing and fore ordaining it and power effecting it and word made flesh in it yet the Son of man is truly said to come down from Heaven to have come forth from the Father Because that Eternal Word the only begotten Son of God that was made flesh in that one body prepared for him and is now become the Son of man He came down from Heaven for the Word was in being before he was made flesh he was in the beginning with God John 1. 1 2. And that word not only took or entered into flesh but was made flesh verse 14. So as the Word that was in the beginning and the flesh which in due time he was made and so is not now in making is one person one Son who is both the Son of God and the Son of man yea the two natures that of God and that of man though distinct and not confounded are united in one person so as what is said of either nature may though not in respect of the nature yet in respect of person be said of both As for instance In respect of the nature of man and as man and as pertaining to the flesh which he was made he dyed 1 Pet 2. 24. and 3. 18. and 4. 1. not is dying or suffering in that personal Body of his Rev. 1. 18. yet in respect of the person and because of the union of the two natures in one person his sufferings or blood is truly called Gods own Blood Acts 20. 28. and so it s said God laid down his life for us 1 John 3. 16. so in this businesse the Son of man came down from Heaven in as much as he that person that is the Son of man the Eternal Word and onely begotten Son of God that was made flesh he descended and came forth from the Father and came down from Heaven Yea also when he was on earth in his Body and not as then in that respect ascended yet then when he as God the Son of God the word that was made flesh in Heaven with the Father yea likewise in the vertue and preciousnesse of his being the Son of man and what he had undertaken to do in that Body on the Earth John 3. 13. with chap. 6. 62. and 20. 17. had these men known and believed that very Jesus of Nazareth of the Seed of David Abraham c. after the Flesh to be indeed the Lord from Heaven God blessed for ever and yet also true and very man both in one person and so Emmanuel God with us or in our nature for us they would not have made this querie 2. But for further answer we add That the Scriptures alleadged by them give no ground for their Querie whither that body did descend from Heaven because they spake not in such phrase or manner of speech as might be limitted to one of the natures onely for he saith not simply it or the same thing that descended as they would insinuate but he or that person that descended he is the same that ascended up and the person that descended
9. speaks of his having descended into the lower parts of the earth as may further appear by comparing it with that prediction of our Saviour Mat. 12. 40. as the fulfilling of it is opened by Peter Acts 2. 24. 27. 31. He was made sin and made a curse for us yea he dyed and was buried wonderful was his abasement and humiliation for us and the more wonderful considering the excellency of the person who so willingly humbled and abased himself and what we were for whom he did it the greater the sin of the enemies of his Cross that seek to render it as a common or prophane thing as if of no more worth or preciousnesse then the blood or Sufferings of or sustained in and by other persons may be and so wretchedly strive to abase him that abased himself for them But God hath mightily declared him to be the Son of God by raising him from the dead in the same body the third day for his Soul that was made an offering for sin was not left in bell neither did his flesh see corruption and in that body he is ascended and the Father hath exalted and received him even him whom they crucified slew and hung on a Tree the same that these men also crucifie to themselves and put to an open shame seeking to cast him down from his excellency Q. 5 W. and F. And if he which descended into the lower parts of the earth be a person of flesh and bones which ascended far above all Heavens What is that place he is in far above all Heavens which is not Heaven Answ It is not so hard to find confusion and non-sence in this Supposition and Querie grounded upon it as it is to find so much plainnesse and honesty as by which it may be understood what they mean or require answer to But the intention of this Querie by comparing it with the rest of their confusions of this nature appears to be First To suppose or implie this as the question Whether he that ascended up far above all Heavens be a person of flesh and bones the same that descended into the lower parts of the earth and then by that which follows as the main querie in this question to enforce a Negative answer by rendering the acknowledgement of that Person as being in that his own body in Heaven it self absurd and foolish because they think in their foolish imagination that to acknowledge him to be so in Heaven and yet also far above all Heavens cannot stand together Their inward thought its like is by these perverse disputings to draw us into some snare or confusion that they may glory over us and get advantage to insinuate to such as will listen to them that the plain declarations of these things concerning the Man Christ Jesus in the Scriptures are but cunningly Devised fables that must have some other Moral or Mysterie according to the Sensual or fleshly mind in which they are vainly puft up not holding the head however we shall put it to the issue giving our answers plainly and without hidden things of dishonesty as those that have received a word of truth a faithful saying worthy to be stuck too and of which we are not ashamed And so first to their supposition laid down as the ground of their following querie If he which descended c. be a person of flesh and bones To this we say first we know no person made up or wholly consisting of flesh and bones much lesse is his who is God man the onely begotten Son of God even as now made flesh and so as the Son of Man John 1. 14. now glorified with the Fathers own Self as the Fruits of his Sufferings for in him Col. 2. 9. dwelleth all the fulnesse of the God head bodily Joh. 17. 4 5. Therefore we reject their absurb expression as foolish and impious proceeding from their scorn of him and enmity to him though they in reproach and derision of us for his Sake would intimate it as ours as a little before that other expression not altogether so grosse as this a body of flesh and bones to which having spoken already we add no more to this But further assert in answer to their querie implyed in the Supposition That the Son of Man even Christ of the Seed of David Abraham yea of Noah and Adam after the flesh in that body of his flesh prepared for him when he came into the World in which he was sent forth made of a Woman made under the Law he being found in fashion as a man in the likenesse of sinsul flesh though without sin and in the form of a Servant did also descend into the lower parts of the earth even in the two last sences of the lower parts of the earth before mentioned For as Jonas was three dayes and three nights in the belly of the Whale so was the Son of Man in his finishing the works the Father gave him to do on the earth three dayes and three nights in the heart of the earth Mat. 12. 40. In that Body of his flesh he bore the Judgement of this World even that due to us for sin in which he was made for a time the banished or forsaken one and his Soul therein made an offering for our sin John 12. 27. 31. with Isa 53. 10 Luke 22. 42. 44. Psal 22. 1. c. with Mat. 37. 46. Mark 15. 34. in that his own Body himself bare our sins on the tree 1 Pet. 2. 24. and 3. 18. and once Suffered for Sins the just for the unjust being put to death in the flesh he dyed for our Sins according to the Scriptures and was buried 1 Cor. 15. 3 4. yea farther we assert with the Scriptures that Christ of the Seed of David after the flesh he even the same that dyed and was buried rose again the third day according to the Scriptures for if the dead rise not then is not Christ risen for though it was in or after the flesh that he dyed and was buried yet by reason of the inseparable union of the two natures in one person the word being made flesh It was Christ that died and was buried and therefore also it was not possible that he should be holden of Death 1 Cor. 15. 3 4. 12. 16. Acts 2. 22. 24. His soul was not left in hell neither did his flesh see corruption as Davids did but God raised him the third day even him whom they flew and hung on a tree and took down from the tree and laid in a Sepulcher God raised him from the dead and shewed him openly not to all the people but to witnesses chosen before of God even to those last Apostles who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead Acts 10. 39. 40 41. and 13. 29. 30 31 37. To whom he shewed himself alive after his passion even himself that suffered to death in the flesh alive after his suffering by many
partaker for a time that he might die for us That through Death he might destroy him that had the power of Death c. 3. To their parenchesis or a humane body we further say Doth the Light in them tell them that carnal and a body of Flesh and Bones and a humane body is alwayes one and the same Let us see if it be not darknesse Humane is alwayes used for the Nature or kind of man as Gods Creature as distinguished from other kinds of Creatures And so a humane body is the body of a man one that is verily a man whether sinful and mortal or not so either the one or the other And so the Body of Adam in his Innocency was humane the body of a man he was verily man yet sinless and so not subject to or in a state of Death though capable of becoming Immortal or mortal but when by sinning he fell from God then he became sinfult and mortal And such are all that by natural propagation come from him as of and from him while in this body not changed by Death yet still humane the nature or kinde remains though degenerated and corrupt God made man upright and t is man still that hath sought out inventions and is become carnal sold under sin Ecles 7. 21. with Gen. 5. 1. 2. and Chap. 8. 21. But the second Adam our Lord Jesus Christ is not a carnal but Spiritual man even from the first of his being made man for though his Body prepared for and taken by him when the word was made flesh was humane of mankinde and so he was a very man Yet he came not by propagation from Adam but though made of a woman of the seed of Abraham and so of Adam of whom Abraham was yet it was in a supernatural way a work of new Creation by the operation of the holy Ghost in the womb of a Virgin that had not known man and was holy being anointed of God with the Holy Ghost and power even in and from his conception and Birth And so that holy thing even before born of her and when born and alwayes without sin yet not Immortal but for a time partakers of Flesh and Blood as the Natural Children of Adam and because therein he was made subject to our infirmities that came on us naturally or as a natural heritage from Adam by reason of sin yet without sin he was said to be made in the likeness of sinful Flesh and his body might be said in some sence to be made a natural body as being partakers with us of Flesh and Blood and so mortal though not in every sence or in a full sence as the naturall Children of Adam are Yet to esteem him sinful Flesh or his body a carnal Body even then when he was on Earth partakers of Flesh and Blood and suffered in the Flesh we account blasphemie much more to esteem his raised and Glorified body in Heaven a carnal body For in his Resurrection form the dead all that weakness and mortality of the Flesh that came on the Nature of man by the first Adams sin and fall which he for a time was subject to in being partakers with us of Flesh Blood it was put off from him that he should no more return to it And so his body is become in a full and Glorious sence Spiritual Gloriously filled with the Spirit of Life and Power yea Immortal a Glorious body he being therein glorified with the Fathers own self and all by vertue of that his once suffering for our sins in the Fâ—esh in which he shed his blood and therein powered out his Soul unto Death laying down his Natural Mortal and Adam-like Life in the Flesh that he might take it again in the Spirit and Glory of the Father by which he was quickened raised from the dead now no more to return to corruption Yet still this raised and Glorious body is humane the body of a man even the man Christ Jesus having Flesh and bones hands and feet which by way of distinction from others and eminency above them is called his flâ—sh and his bones And had these men believed either the great Mystery as now revealed that God was manifested in the flesh in the words being made flesh and dwelling amongst men or the Resurrection of the body of Christ that dyed they would neither have cavelled at the denying his body to be carnal as if it could not stand with the acknowledgement of this man continuing for ever nor have spoken so contemptuously of the Glorious body of Christ And so neither would they have added this following query Is not a fleshly body Carnal To which we further Answer 1. Fleshly and carnal do not alwayes signify the same thing in Scripture for we read of a heart of flesh and fleshly Tables of the Heart Ezek. 36. 26. 2 Cor. 3. 3. whereby fleshly cannot be meant carnal but tender and fit to receive his impression or writing as opposed to a stony hard or carnal heart And though sometimes such expressions as to be flesh or fleshly named after it may be used to signify the weakness and brittleness of the outward man or a helpless withering worthlesse and decaying state which may stand with carnality in Scripture sence though distinct from it because all flesh in its present state is as Grass and the goodlinesse thereof as the flower of the Field fading and withering but the word of the Lord that was made flesh who is the spiritual and heavenly man and he abides for ever Yea though also sometimes a fleshly Mind and fleshly Lusts are equivalent with carnal mindedness and lusts as Rom. 8. 5. to 8. Col. 2. 18. 1 Pet. 2. 11 Yet 2. To have flesh and to be fleshly or named after it is two things whether we take flesh as signifying the outward man or body of man that hath flesh and bones and that whether as natural from Adam or as raised from the dead for there is a natural body and there is a spiritual body and both have flesh though not of or in the same quality or if we take flesh as Signifying the natural Sinfulness or carnal mind as the word is used for both yet to have flesh in either sence and to be fleshly or named after the flesh are not the same nor alwayes meeting in the same person The Apostles did live and walk in the flesh or natural body yet did not war after the flesh nor was fleshly or carnal in their knowings speakings or actings 2 Cor. 10. 3 4. with chap. 1 12 13 and 5. 16. Gal 2 20. with Phil. 1 2â— 24. and yet also they had flesh in the last sence even natural sinfulnesse and carnality still dwelling in them in their flesh members or outward man as from Adam though they were not reckoned after it nor did walk in or after it but did mind and walk in and after the spirit and so were not carnal but Spiritual
and grew in body and waxed strong in Spirit fil'd with Wisdom and the Grace of God was upon him Mat. 2. 13. to the end Luke 2. 39 40 c. And when in that body of his he was twelve years old going up with his parents to Jerusalem when they returned he tarried behind them Which he could not have done if personally or essentially in them as in that his own body and after seeking him three dayes with sorrow at last they found him not in themselves or in other persons but in the Temple sitting in the midst of the Doctors and he went down with them and came to Nazareth and was subject to them which was part of his abasement and service and his mother hid or kept not his body within her womb any more after born of her but his sayings in her heart And after John the son of Zachary and Elizabeth his messenger had been preparing his way Baptizing and Preaching the Baptisme of Repentance he himself came the Text saith not into but unto John to be baptized of him And when he was Baptized the Heavens were opened unto him and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a Dove and lighting upon him and lo a voice from Heaven saying not of John but of Jesus This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased a like voice after in his transiguration before three of his Disciples they heard from Heaven not speaking of them but of him whence they said that he not they received from God the Father Honour and Glory when there came such a voice to him from the Excellent Glory 2 Pet. 1. 17 18. with Mat. 17. 1. 5. And so John his fore-runner having both seen and heard professed not himself but this Jesus to be the Christ and pointed to him not as in himself or as in other men but as a distinct person standing not in every of them but among them the beholders though they knew him not and proclaimed him to be and called men to behold him as such the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the World John 1. 19. 36. and 3. 26. 36. After this the same Jesus of Nazareth manifested himself and walked up and down more openly and generally among the Jewes Preaching the Gospel and doing good calling and choosing Disciples and was approved of God amongst Friends and Enemies by miracles and signes which God wrought by him in the midst of them such as none before him ever did nor after any like works but in his Name but he was hated of the Sadduces that denied the Resurrection of the dead of the Pharisees that trusted in themselves that they were Righteous and by their means of the chief of the People and of many of the inferiour also At last they arreigned and falsly condemned him and delivered him to Pilate and so to the Gentiles to be Crucified and he was by them hung upon the Tree and Crucified and when dead was buried by two Honourable persons not in themselves but in a new Sepulchre which was sealed and watched by Souldiers that he might not be stolen away unto all which the Father delivered him and he gave himself for our sins But he in the same body that was dead and buried even Jesus of Nazareth rose again the third day and was witnessed by Angels to be risen and not to be there in the grave the emptinesse of which place the orderly lying of the cloathes witnessing the same And then he appearing to his Disciples shewed himself alive in that very Body having the very same flesh and bones hands and feet though now in another quality viz. Spiritual Immortal in which they had foreseen him Mortal then he acquainted them with the ends necessity of his Death and Resurrection and shewed opened to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself opening their understandings that they might understand the Scriptures gave them the Gospel which he had received from his Father Commission with commandment to Preach it make it known out of the Scriptures of the Prophets to all Nations for the obedience of Faith and having prayed for their Sanctification fitnesse to that service and for blessing on all that after should believe through their word he also promised his Spiritual presence with them in that Ministration to the end of the World After which while he blessed them and while they beheld he was parted from them in that body of his and ascended and was received up into Heaven and according to his promise did soon after send down and powre out upon them the Holy Ghost to furnish and enable them to their Ministry And so he hath already come in the flesh and perfected all that he was to do in his own body in his first coming as all that read and believe the record God hath given of his Son and caused to be written for our instruction may plainly and more fully discern Nor was this coming of his ever so seen nor but by Faith of any before those times no though it hath been desired by many of them Mat. 13. 16 17. Luk. 10. 23 24. But by Faith they saw it and rejoyced John 8. 56. with Heb. 11. 1. 12. Nor yet hath it ever been so seen of any since the Apostles so saw it and him 1 Cor. 15. 5. 8. and Chap. 9. 1. with Chap 4. 9. 1 Pet. 1. 8. Nor will he ever come in that manner to suffer and do over those things again so to be seen John 16. 10. Rom. 6. 9 10. Acts 13. 34. But these things are written concerning him even this Jesus that we may believe that he is the Son of God the Lords Christ and that believing we may have life through his Name John 20. 31. And so our sight is onely in believing by Faith as Heb. 11. 1. 3 Yea they are pronounced blessed that having not seen him so as the Apostles did yet have believed John 20. 29. In which believing to understand and know him to have come in the flesh and to have done and to be that for us as the Testimony recorded declareth is to know him not after the flesh or carnal and sensual mind but after the Spirit according to the Testimony he hath already given of him and in his Light and Power shining and working in and with that Testimony by which onely these things now not so seen as before are made evident plain and powerfully nigh that they might be believed with the heart and confessed with the mouth and still made further precious to and effectual on them that believe 2 Cor. 5. 14 15 16 17. c. Rom. 1. 16 17. and 10. 6. 9 10. And whosoever now boast of having otherwise seen his first coming his appearance and Manifestation in the flesh is a lyar Yea neither is this Jesus who is the very Christ now in that his own personal body in the World we have him not
A Fuller Discovery OF THE Dangerous Principles And lying spirit of the People called Quakers made manifest in George Whitehead John Whitehead and George Fox the younger In their Book against Iohn Horne and Thomas Moore of Lin Regis in NORTHFOLK Written by the said Thomas Moore and Iohn Horne for the fuller satisfaction of all such as desire to be further satisfied about the evil and erroniousnesse of the said People called Quakers Most men will proclame every man his own goodnesse but a faithful man to Christ and his Cause who can find Prov. 20. 6. I marvel yee are so soon removed from him that called you not into your selves but into the grace of Christ unto another Gospel which is not another but there be some that trouble you and would pervert the Gospel of Christ But though we even Apostles or an Angel from heaven persons of most Angel-like carriage and appearance preach any other Gospel unto you as the following Discourse shews that these Quakers do then that which we the Apostles have preached unto you let him be accursed Gal. 1. 6 7 8. LONDON Printed for John Allein at the signe of the Rising Sun in Pauls Church-yard 1660. THE EPISTLE TO THE READER ONce more we have herein presented thee Courteous Reader with a discovery of the People called Quakers in which thou mayest see from their own written and printed sayings by what manner of spirit they be led and what manner of Doctrine they publish and strive to maintain and indeed the naughtinesse of their way is made manifest partly by their Principles and Doctrines broachedly them and partly by the manner of their carriage in their managing and maintaining them Wee shall give thee here a brief account of both in a few Observations 1 For the Doctrines and Principles maintained by them thou mayest observe in their Queries sent us printed with our Answers to them at the close of our Answer to their Book against us as hintâ—d and in their book more clearly asserted or implyed these following viz. I. That Christ hath no other body but his Church no personal body and so that that body of his flesh in which he suffered and bare our sins and which rose again is not a body or is not in being Book pag. 7 8 9. answered by us in our Reply pag. 25. to pa. 42. and Quest 1 2 3 4 5 7 8 10 11. II. That the blood of Jesus Christ or his personal abasement sufferings in the flesh to the shedding and pouring out his blood and soul to Death sustained by him once in the end or last Ages of the World are not the foundation or of the foundation of their faith so that their faith is not faith in Christs blood as so considered nor is that precious blood or those sufferings of Christ that wherewith their conscience is purged or the spiritual drink of the soul but some other thing principle or spirit in men which they put the Name of the blood of Christ upon See if this conceit or Doctrine in both parts of it negative and affirmative be not hinted in their Quest 12 13 14. seeing the body of his flesh in which he suffered they deny to remain and yet say his blood is in his flesh what can they mean by his flesh but something of his Church which onely they grant to be his body and so that his blood is nothing but some seed principle or sufferings in his Church their pleading against his blood or suffering as the foundation or of the foundation of Faith thou mayst see in their book p. 14 15 16 17. answered by us here p. 52 53 54 c. III. That the lower parts of the earth into which Christ descended and the heavens into which he again ascended are no local places but some conditions or conceits in men Qu. 3 4 5 6â— Book p. 8 9. answered by us p. 26 27 33. IV. That the same body that dies shall not rise again in the Resurrection Book p. 10 11. Answered by us p. 42 to 46. and Quest 16 17. V. That the souls of the wicked shall not come out Hell at the great day of the Resurrection and judgement to be further judged they imply Quest 18. and so that neither the souls nor the bodies of the wicked shall rise again to judgement VI. That that coming of Christ in which the dead in him shall be raised and be caught up into the Ayr together to meet him and be ever with him and in which he shall descend from heaven with a short and the sound of the trumpet c. mentioned 1 Thess 4. 15 16. is already long since past For they say the Apostles and Believers of that Age in which the Apostle wrote remained to it Book p. â— Answered p. 32. Quest 15. and so they agree with Hymeneus and Philetus that said the Resurrection is already past 2 Tim. 16. to 18. VII That the Christ we look for to come from heaven again they desire not the knowledge of Book p. 10. Answered p. 41. VIII That they are sinless or have no sin in them they deny not and that those that are believers in Christ and born of God are perfectly freed from sin as to the being of it in them Book p. 1 to 6. and yet that the little children that John wrote to who were also born of God and know the Father might have sin in them Ans p. 9 10. to p. 24. IX That all sin is guide when as the scripture distinguishes guile from other sins and other sins from guile 1 Pet. 2. â— and sayes some have no guile in their spirits who yet have sins though forgiven and covered yet there to be covered Psalm 32. 1. 2. Book p. 4. 5. Answ p. 17 18. X. That Adam might have died the natural death if he had not sinned and so that the bodily or natural death came not in by sin Book p. 6 7. Ans p. 23. XI That Christ came not to redeem men from out of the natural or bodily death B. p. 7. Ans p. 25. XII That our faith that is not grounded in Christs appearing in us is to be turned up by the roots and so by consequence that all the faith that is grounded in Christs appearing and suffering for us without us and in his appearing in heaven for us and so such faith as that of the Elect mentioned Rom. 8. 33 34 35. is by these mens Doctrines to be rooted up Book p. 10. Ans p. 41 42. XIII That the Apostles and all that were led by the spirit of God c. witnessed the Redemption of the body spoken of Rom. 8. 23. when they were upon the earth and did not put it afar off as they deridingly phrase the looking and waiting for it till after death in which they say again in effect that the resurrection of the believers body is made in this life Book p 11 12. Ans p. 47 48 XIV That the knowledge
to prove that Adam might have died the natural death though he had not sinned they argue as thus Because Christ who had no sin not considering that Christ had our sins laid upon him and for them he died but Adam should have had no sin laid upon him or imputed to him had he not sinned himself But such like reasonings are too many to number up in them 4. They carry on their false designs and doctrines with lies and falshood most frequently as in saying often that we accuse the Saints and plead for sin p. 2 3 4 5. And in belying J. H. in saying that he turned G. Ws. words about his false Syllogisme above mentioned when as all that were at the dispute and heard and remembred his words may remember they were word for word as John Horn relates them Yea and in belying his own words in saying they were such as they indeed were not Again in saying we might as well have accused the true Prophets and Apostles with being Preachers of lies and deceivers as the Quakers and that the same Spirit in us that hath accused the Quakers with being deceivers that is the Spirit of Truth would have accused the true Prophets Christ and his Apostles for being deceivers page 5. That we contradict our selves in many things where we have made it we have made it evident there is no contradiction That we look for a Christ like our selves but that he hath no Blood in his Body as we imagine p. 10. That our expecting the Redemption of the Body to be waited for aster Death is contrary to the Saints expectations p. 11. and 12. In which words is both equivocation and falshood that what the Scriptures say of Christ and his Body they own in which they also either equivocate or say falsly or both they equivocate if by owning they mean as probably they do they own it as true of themselves the Quakers as if the things spoken of Christ and his Church are verified in and of them and may be affirmed of them Or if by owning they mean they believe and hold them true concerning Jesus of Nazareth and them that believe on him to be saved through the virtue of his sufferings Sacrifice and Mediation then they say falsly Yea whether this or the former be their meaning they are false therein as our reply makes manifest to the impartial Reader But who can number up their lies and falshoods in falsifying our sayings and otherwise which the following Reply will further evidence He that will procure and search and compare what Christopher Wade of Water-beach hath written against them with their writings against him may see a whole dozen of notorious lies of George Foxes clearly proved against him to which G. W. in his answer gives the go by most egregiously and in none of them disproves him 5. They misrelate and give the go-by to many of our charges and sayings as for instance We quoted Jam. 3. 2. to prove all believers here to have sin or sometime to offend to this they say nothing onely quote the place and give it the go-by telling us onely that James exhorted men to let patience have its perfect work c. Which is nothing to the purpose p. 3. So what we said of the Nature of man as it is in Christ discharged of sin Law and Death in his Resurrection p. 10. Of our former Book that they represent it as if we had said it of the Nature and being of man as in us to be discharged in our Resurrection p. 11. And whereas we charged them with denying the Humanity of Christ as to its being now in him they give it the go-by answering onely that they never denied the Man Christ for his flesh is their food p. 14. Whereas they had before denied him to have any other Body then his Church p. 8. And to our saying that Christ is not really and personally in the believer as in Heaven but by Faith they let go the words personally and as in Heaven in their answer and traduce us as denying any real being of him by Faith in the believer p. 14. More such like dealings thou mayst find in p. 15. and 18. and divers others 6. They carry their designes by reproaches Nick-names and abusive expressions in which also much hatred malice and spite against us is made evident to be in them and so that they are far from sinlessenesse to this purpose it is that in their Title page and Post-script they Nick-name us Calling us 1. Teachers of the People called Moorians or Manifestarians and called by some Free-willers and Independants which what can it proceed from but their hatred of us and indignation against us Seeing 1. The Names we own not nor are the People we Teach so called as Moorians that we know of T. M sen it seems for affirming not of himself as his own but from the Testimony of Christ and his Spirit recorded in the Scriptures that Jesus Christ is the Saviour of the World and gave himself a ransom for all men and is by virtue thereof the Mediator of God and men the propitiation for the sins of the whole World and extends to men meanes leading them to Repentance and is ready to receive such as in the means are prevailed with to believe and this a good ground and motive to Repentance Faith Love c. Was by some that opposed those truths standered and called Papists or Arminian and some of the same mind with him in those truths were by means of a certain Manciple in one of the Colledges that turned Almanack-maker and reproachfully devising that Name called Moorians by some drunkards profane and cavilling persons but never owned by him nor by any of his friends much less by us or the people we teach nor do we know of any civil people or others these revilers excepted that say or write of us or of any people that they are the people called Moorians as these men call themselves in divers of their writings the Quakers the people called Quakers which makes it lawful for us also without reproach to give them that name by way of distinction in our speaking or writing of them as the names Herodians Sadduces and Pharisees are given in the Scripture to and were owned by those people 's so called without reproach to them And the rather because the Name Quakers fathers their Doctrine upon no man as the name Moorian doth nor charges it with any particular evil Opinion as the other name Manifestarian and Free-Willers import though had they been thereby wronged and reproached yet the Spirit of Truth would have led them not to return reviling for reviling reproach for reproach and to joyn hands with drunkards and others so that herein they are convicted to be sinners being guilty of reviling As also in that 2. They add or Manifestarians as if Moorian and Manifestarian were the same with them this is another of their spiteful reproaches against
that believing is which closing with that Object of faith is therefore called faith and not else 1. The Object of faith is the same that was preached by the Apostles for the obedience of faith or to the faith Gal. 1. 23. Rom. 1 3 4 5. and 16. 25 26. The most holy faith in believing to be built up in Jude 20 The precious faith of Gods elect Tit. 1 1 2 Pet. 1 2. Which object though one yet is three ways considerable 1. In respect of the most inmost and absolute Object the further and full stay of the soul and that is God Almighty the divine essence of God in Christ as evidenced by the holy Ghost in his infinite power love mercy truth c. And so God is called the trust of his people Psal 40. 4 and 17 3 5. 2. The most inmost and absolute medium which the believer discerns comes to and fastens on God and that is Jesus Christ the son of God become man the Saviour of the world c. Rom. 1 2 3 4 5. John 4. 42. 1 John 4. 14. And this as he is set forth in Scripture John 7. 37 38. Rom. 16. 26. Both in respect of what he hath done in his incarnation death resurrection sacrifice by which he made peace obtained redemption compleated righteousness and received spirit in the man and for men and what by vertue of all this he is doing in his mediation between God man and appearing in the heavens before God interceeding for transgressors and advocating and mediateing in speciall manner for believers affording and continuing means and sending forth spirit to the rebellious that the Lord God might dwell amongst them and to believers to lead them into all truth and what by reason and vertue of all said he is even the propitiation for sins wisdom righteousness holiness and redemption the Saviour of sinners the head of believers the fountain of life the Lord and Judge of all And what he hath assured in his 〈…〉 confirmed by his blood that he will do in his visible and glorious 〈…〉 the dead and causing all his peculiar to appear in glory with him and bring 〈…〉 before his judgements seate to acknowledge him and receive 〈…〉 1 Tim. 2 4 5 6. Tit. 1. 1. 2 3. and 2. 11. -14 and 3 -4. 7. And thus is Jesus Christ both the Object of faith and living and enlivening medium by which any comes to God and believe in God Heb. 7. 25. 1 Pet. 1. 21. 3 The instrumentall and outward Object or medium through which God in Christ and his well pleasedness in him and the things above mentioned are declared and according to which he is to be beheld believed and trusted in which is the faith the Apostles preached and wrote to be obeyed in believing and this is the word and Gospel of God and Christ as testified and recorded by the spiration and inspiration of the Holy Ghost in the holy Scriptures John 5. 39. and because so reported it is called his name Psal 138. 2. and believing him is in believing his Gospel Mark 1. 15. Joh. 2. 22. and 5. 47. and begins in glorifying his word Acts 13. 38. and so right believing on him is believing on him as the Scripture hath said John 7. 37. and according to his word and so trusting him in his word Pal. 56. 3 4. 10 11. and so to us-ward this is the first and outward Object and medium nigh to us discovering God and Christ that we may trust rightly in him the next which through this is come to the inmost living mediate Object discovered in that word and through that word believed in is Jesus Christ as aforesaid and so through Christ the last and most inmost and absolute Object is God in Christ 1 Tim. 4 10. Rom. 4. 24. and so the Object of faith is one that is God in Christ as discovered by his Spirit in the Gospel and this is the faith of which these opposers discover themselves by their own words to be void and of no judgement as after also may more appear 2. As for that believing which closeth with this Object of faith and is therefore called faith it is in holy Scripture shewen to have these three things in it together in one 1. A right discerning judgement and perswasion of God in Christ according to the discovery of himself in this word and testimony and begotten by this word and testimony Joh. 5. 39. 44. 47. and 7. 37. 2 Thes 1. 10. Rev. 19. 10 Heb. 11. 13. 2. From and with this an hearty imbracement of this discerned and from thence an unfeined believing and trusting in God for all the grace and glory in Christ promised Heb. 11. 13. Rom. 4. 18 -25 and 5. 8 9 10. 2 Tim. 4. 18. 3. Thirdly a yielding up the heart and powers to be saved and framed in affections choise and endeavours of service by the teachings allurements and operation of this grace believed Isa 45. 22. 2 Cor. 5. 20. Cant. 1. 3 4. and 2. 4 5 6. Phil. 3. 3 7 8 9. 1 Pet. 1. 5 6. 8. Rom. 6. 17. Tit. 2. 11 -14 Heb. 11. 13. And in these three meeting in one is that believing that closing with and receiving this Object of faith that is rightly called faith which had these opposers known they would not have avouched it an errour to say that Jesus Christ the Lord from Heaven the quickning Spirit dwelleth in believers by faith for by faith the Object discovered and believing or faith in the heart begot there they receive his word or testimony into their hearts Jam. 1. 18. 2 Cor. 3. 3. and where this word abideth in the heart there and so is Christ John 15. 4. 7. 1 John 2 24. and 5. 10. and 2. 9. And here through the Holy Ghost discovering Christ and the things of Christ the vertues of his death resurrection fulness sacrifice and by his divine light breathing and power glorifying him to their hearts John 15. 26 27. and 16. 13 14 15. 1 Pet. 1. 20. Rom. 4. 25. draweth them more on Christ 1 Pet. 2. 5. From whom they receive and believing have in them remission of sins Acts 10. 43. Col. 2. 13. Justification and peace with God in Christ access to God in that grace and hope of glory Rom. 5 1 2. 8 9 10 11. 1 Cor. 6. 11. And as these are by the word and spirit witnessed in them and received by them so and thereby is Christ in them 1 John 5. 10. 20. Col. 1. 27. And by the word and Spirit in it with these riches received is effected in them an inner man a new heart new Spirit the mind and disposition of Christ Ephes 4. 20 -24 Col. 3. 10 11. Rom. 8. 14 15. 1 Cor. 2. 16. 2 Cor. 3. 3. 17 18. And as this Spirit and mind and faith and love is in them so and therein is Christ and God in Christ in them ◠John 3. 24. and 4. 13. 16. And from this
his bone and so to imply a distinction between the flesh and bone that the Church is and the flesh and bone that it is of As was between Evabs flesh and bone and the fleshand bones of Adam out of which she was made flesh and bone for to her that phrase is applyed Gen. 2. 23. 3. Whereas they put this consequent upon us that we by denying their addition to the Scriptures make it as if Christ had two bodies of flesh and bones one of which the saints are not Members see if this follow not clearly from their addition For whereas the Apostle says we are of his flesh and of his bones and so implies but one body of flesh and bones out of which the Church is now these to that body of flesh and bones which is Christs make a second which is the Church while they say the Church is flesh and bone too flesh of his flesh and bone of his bone even as Adams body of flesh and bone out of which Eve was made and Eves that was made out of it were two bodies of flesh and bone 4. Do they not bely the Apostle too when they say he saith as much as they were flesh of his flesh and bone of his bone in his saying no man ever hated his own flesh but loveth it and cherisheth it even as the Lord the Church for we are Members of his body of his flesh and of his bones Is it not clear that the former part speaks of men loving their own naturall bodies called their flesh but the latter part speaks of Christ cherishing his Church but calls not the Church his flesh and bone but Members of his body of that is out of his flesh and of that is out of his bone implying that the Church is sprung and framed to him to be his Church out of his flesh and bone that is from his incarnation suffering and the things done in and by his being made flesh had not he had a body prepared for him even a body of flesh and bones in which he did the Fathers will he could have had no Church we are the fruit of the travaile of his soul Isa 53. 10. We noted that this opinion of the Quakers denying that body viz. That body personall that body that had flesh and bones and in which Christ suffered to be glorified doth at once turn up by the roots all the faith of Christs appearing in the Heavens for us c. To this they Object again our confusion and falshood because we said before of the Quakers that the same body that suffered was glorified at Gods right hand in Heaven and now charge them with denying that body to be glorified Rep. Mind here reader their subtilty how they hide themselves in aequivocations when we say they deny that body to be glorified it is clear that we speak of his body personall the body of his flesh and doth it not plainly appear that they deny that to be glorified when they deny any body of Christ remaining but his Church But now when they said the same body that suffered was glorified we told you before they meant but his Church and so that body they that confess to suffer and to be glorified is not the same that we say they deny to be glorified and to that purpose both in a letter we had from them and in their book they tell us of the seed Christ suffering somewhere and in some and reigning or glorified in others were there ever such juglers and Jesuites as these we deal against that are full of lies and confusion and wind about into many shapes and aequivocations to deceive the simple but cannot be ashamed of them they are so hardened They plainly shew their corrupt and wicked judgements about the coming of the Lord from Heaven 1 Thes 4. 15. While they say W. and F. we blindly put it afar off and that that coming of Christ the saints who were then alive namely when the Apostles wrote remained unto it Rep. So then by that the Lord himself descended from Heaven with a shout and with the voice of the Archangell and with the Trump of God and the dead in Christ were raised before Paul and the believing Thessalonians dyed and so they did not sleep as to their bodies but were suddenly changed and taken up to meet the Lord in the ayre and to be ever with him then that 's false that Hystories relate of Pauls being beheaded at Rome and in vain do men look for Christs coming to raise the dead for that 's past and gone before the Apostles age was past The resurrection of the just is over then for that was to be at Christs coming and why should any preach now and believe in Christ now when there is nothing of hope now to be looked for Are not these sufficiently grosse and wicked in their judgement that dare take away the hope of Christs glorious appearance and the being for ever with Christ to be by any man now expected But it's strange Christ should come the elements melt with servent heate the trumpet sound the dead in Christ be raised and no man hear or speak or write of it in any age except in haereticorum cubiculis as Tertullian speaks or as I may rather say in the fancies of Hereticks but alas Reader these men turn all these things into fables perverting the whole Scripture to their corrupt sense by dead in Christ meaning but the spiritually dead in some fancied death sleeping in him and the trumpet and shout and resurrection all Allegoricall and so they thereby deny and undermine both the coming of Christ the resurrection and the judgement spoken of in the Scriptures Tohelp thee against them whereas they urge we that are alive and remain to the coming of the Lord as if they that then lived should certainly live and abide till his coming know that the Apostle writ of it as a thing that is hidden as to the day and time of it and writes of the Church as of our body in all ages and so by we that live and remain means but those of us that shall be found living that is of the company of believers with whom they numbred themselves because then living possibly not knowing but they might have lived to his coming But it no more implies that the believers of that age should live and remain till the coming of Christ then that they who lived in Davids age or when the Psalms were penned lived in Moses age many hundreds of years before him and rejoyced in the Lord when Israel went over the sea because it 's said Psal 66. 6. They went through the flood on foot there did we rejoyce in him or that the people in Hoseas time were born and lived in Jacobs time because in Hos 12. 4. Speaking of Jacobs wrestling with God in Bethell he saies he found him in Bethel and there he spake with us This one passage of theirs were there
no more is sufficient to discover their horrible corruption and reprobacy of mind in the things of Christ but more of the like corruption they shew about the Heavens and Christs coming from thence in what follows for to that in Philip. 3. 20 21. Where it is said our conversation is in heaven from whence also we look for the Saviour the Lord Jesus they say W. and F. They say so their conversation was in Heaven and there they looked for the Saviour Reply See here one perversion the Apostle sayes they looked for a Saviour from thence to come namely from Heaven and these say where we look for a Saviour no doubt but had we said so as they say of the Apostles they would have reproached us and said see these men have their Saviour to look for yet as in a letter to us to our saying that the Saints seek their pardon and healing in Christ they retort that we accuse them of having their pardon to seek so wicked are they But of the Apostles looking for Christ from Heaven they take no notice It s no part of their Faith or Expectation it seems they adde W. and F. They did not say their conversation was at a distance far off above the Clouds where we they say look for a Saviour like our selves but that he hath no blood in his body as we Imagine Answ They said their conversation was in Heaven and Heaven is above the Clouds and Gods Glory is in and above the Heavens and in that Glory Christ is and where Christ is there was their conversation as they Exhort also to set our affections upon things above where Christ is also at the right hand of God he sayes not upon things within your selves but upon things above Col. 3. 2 3. But ye may see these men deny the God above and say in effect with the false Prophets Jer. 23. 21. God is a God at hand but not a God a far off But as they said not their conversation was above the Clouds in those very words though they said it in effect So neither said they their conversation was in themselves and thence they lookt for a Saviour their reproach of us that we look for a Saviour like our selves but that he hath no blood in his body as we imagine whom they say they desire not the knowledge of and that our faith which is not grounded in Christs appearing in us is to be turned up by the roots falls heavy upon themselves for all people may see their wickednesse therein for 1. They bely us in saying we look for a Saviour like our selves for we do not judge him like our selves but hope that we who are very unlike unto Him being in vile bodies shall be like him at his appearance When he shall change our vile body that it might be fashioned into the likenesse of his Glorious Body which Glorious Body we think not like ours for then need not ours to be changed that they may be fashioned into the likenesse of his if they were in its likenesse already 2. That his Body hath no blood in it we say not but leave it as a secret what is the form and manner and glory of his Glorious and Glorified Body we say that that body in which Christ shewed Flesh and Bones after the Resurrection and whose blood was shed out is ascended and is in Heaven Glorified and for him in that Glorious Body we with the Apostles look for him from Heaven But 3. Here they clearly say they desire not the knowledge of that Saviour we look for from Heaven and so are out of the Apostles faith and hope and like the wicked ones that said they desired not the knowledge of Gods wayes Job 21. 14. 4. When they say that Faith which is not grounded in Christs appearance in us is to be turned up by the Roots Do they not plainly imply that the Apostles faith is to be turned up by the roots indeed we see how broadly they endeavour it for though the knowledge of Christ was given into the Apostles hearts and his Life and Vertues appeared in their Doctrine and walking yet their faith was not grounded in his appearing in them but in what Christ had done in his death and sufferings for them and in his appearing at Gods right hand for them see else Rom. 8. 33 34. Their faith stood in this that Christ had died yea rather was risen again and is at Gods right hand making intercession for them but we may see how far these mens faith differs from the Apostles that make no account of Christs appearing in the flesh or in his Glorious Body hereafter So as to have their faith grounded therein but only in an imaginary appearance of Christ in them for so it must be and no better that hath not for the ground of it Christ appearing in the flesh for them before they were born and so not in them and his appearing in Heaven for them and in Glory to them at the end of the World The faith of which they imply must be turned up by the Roots for mind what they oppose that saying to We said that at once they turne up by the Roots all the faith of Christs appearing in the presence of God to Mediate for us and make intercession which the Apostles and Primitive believers had so much of their hope and rejoycing in as also all the Faith and Hope of his Glorious descending and coming again to change our vile bodies c. and to all the Kingdome and Glory to be revealed to and enjoyed by the Saints Now they taking no notice of Christs appearing in Heaven to Mediate for us and having spoken of the Faith of Christs coming again from Heaven as a thing past in Pauls age say that our faith which is not grounded in Christs appearing in us which implyes all the points before mentioned for Christs appearing in us cannot be the ground of the faith of those things but only a fruit and confirmation of it is to be turned up by the Roots so that they deny the fundamental Doctrines to establish only their imaginary conceits But remember Reader that they said before that the Apostles were the true Apostles and so they be but false Apostles and Prophets in their imaginations 3. We charged them as Reprobate concerning the faith about the Resurrection of the dead and thou mayest see Reader what good ground we had so to do by what they have said now about it For if Christs coming at which the dead are to be raised was while the Saints in the Apostles time alive remained then is the Resurrection they speak of past so that there needs no further doubt of their corruption about that We charged them with saying that the same body that dies shall not be raised again and in their Book they plead stifly for it W. and F. We change George Foxes words for he said that which is raised is a spiritual body and
sure these men have the imperfection of irrationality if they cannot understand this difference We accused John Whitehead for arguing against the Redemption of the body to be expected after death and for saying the Apostles had it before death W. and F. Here they fault us for not expecting the Redemption of the body and our discharge from sin till after death because we said also p. 10. that the nature of man in the Resurrection is discharged of sin which we spake of Christ made under sin and Law and death for us and in the Resurrection namely his resurrection discharged thereof sayes that any thing of our not being discharged of sin as to forgivenesse of it till the resurrection What grosse abuses be these But they plead for John Whiteheads corrupt sayings reproaching our W. and F. expecting the redemption of the body after death as contrary to the Saints expectations for they waited and groaned they say for the redemption of the body from under corruption when they were upon earth and the creature it self was to be brought into the Glorious Liberty of the Sons of God which state was witnessed by as many as were led by the Spirit of God who were sanctified throughout in body in Soul and in Spirit and put not redemption afar off till after death as they say we do Reply Oh monstrous blind corrupted stuffe one would think that all men that read these things should abhor to listen to these Preachers for first they bely the Saints in saying the expecting the redemption of the body after Death is contrary to the Saints expectation did not the Saints expect that after death their bodies should be raised incorruptible Did they look to have their bodies immortal incorruptible powerful and glorious before their death read 1 Cor. 15. and see if these men be not lyars in grain and wofully corrupt like Hymeneus and Phyletus that said the resurrection was past Phil. 3. 20. 21. 2 Tim. 2 17. 18. 2. They aequivocate in saying they waited and groaned for the redemption of the body from under corruption when they were upon earth in one sense it is true and in another false It is true while they were upon earth they exercised their patient waiting and expectation but false that they expected that the redemption of their body should be proved by them before death the redemption of it I say either from all the being of sin therein or to the being of sin in it till death we spake before and proved it from Ps 143. 2. for they say it s sown in corruption and raised in incorruption if it be sown in corruption when it dies then it is not redeemed from corruption before it die 3. That the Creature it self is to be brought into the liberty of the Sons of God is true but that that state was witnessed that is proved by as many as were led by the Spirit of God is false for the Apostle was led by the Spirit of God and so are the Sons of God but if they witnessed the Creatures being brought into the liberty of the Sons of God and the Redemption of their bodies from corruption how sayes he then that the earnest expectation of the creature waits for the manifestation of the Sons of God seeing what they waited for they did not see and prove and so could not witnesse it for if they see it why did they yet wait for it Rom. 8. 14. 19 20. 23 24 25. Why say they the creature it self shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption and not rather is delivered from it yea and why say they expresly we that have the first fruits of the spirit even we our selves groaning within our selves wait for the Adoption the Redemption of the body for we are saved by hope c. Were not the Apostles led by the Spirit that had the first fruits of it And Paul sayes The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the Law of Sin and Death Rom. 8. 2. And were not they sanctified throughout in Body Soul and Spirit at least in good measure And yet we see they did but wait for the Redemption of the Body they did not witnesse it as a thing which they had nor do we ever find them say they had it but they confound the Redemption of the body with the freeing it from sin in it as G. W. in his late dispute with J. H. declared himself alleadging Rom. 8. 2. his being set free from the Law of sin and death for proof that Paul witnessed the Redemption of the body when as Paul had that before he said he waited for this nor doth it prove any absolute freedom from the being of sin in his body Rom. 7. 26. shews So see all men how corrupt the Quakers be and how miserable out of the Apostles Doctrine and Faith And yet fourthly We say not that either we or the Apostles put Redemption far off till after death It is God that hath Ordered the Redemption there spoken of to be after Death that we might first bear the image of the Earthly in a vile Mortal body before we bear the Image of the Heavenly in a Glorious body it was their part and so is ours to groan after it and waite for it till the time of Christs descending from Heaven to change our vile body that it may be fashioned into the likenesse of his Glorious body was ever any mans body redeemed from Corruption and Death and Rottennesse before it died They may as well contradict the Apostle and say that which thou sowest is quickened before it die All men may see these be deniers of the Resurrection preached by the Apostles and therefore Teachers that are to be accounted accursed Gal. 1. 8. Note by the way Reader that these men never attempt to answer our Question propounded to them at both our former disputes whether that that shall rise a Spiritual body was ever dead surely they by their shunning it do declare that they do not believe it and therefore by consequence deny the Resurrection of the dead To our charge of them with Antichristianisme in intimately not confessing Christ come in the flesh while they make not the knowledge of him as so come the knowledge to Eternal Salvation but the knowledge of him after the Spirit as he was before the World was in Ed. Burroughs declaration of their faith which charge we managed against them and they could not make good their faith or prove it by Scriptures though they assayed it from 2 Cor. 5. 16. 1 John 1. 1 2 3. And therefore stood concluded Antichristians To this upon further thoughts they give now this answer That W. and F. To know Christ as he is the Power of God is to know him in the Spirit as he was before the World was and that we trust in the living God who is the Saviour of all men especially of them that believe but as he is
had before the World was and his Body the Church makes him not a personal man as for eating his flesh what 's that His Flesh too must be something of his Body the Church except he hath two Fleshes on his Body and another of it they may grant he was a man and had Flesh but that proves not that they believe his humanity now to abide We said Christ is not really and personally in the believers as he is in Heaven against that they pretend to argue but leaving out the word personal they plead for a real presence onely and so plead not against our saying for we add the word personal to distinguish it from all other manner of real presences a real presence we deny not by faith in and with the believers though such a real and personal presence as is in Heaven we do Here then they Fight with their own shadow How T. M. owned the Blood of Christ to be the foundation of faith may be seen in the Answer to what they noted in their Epistle as his Principles It seems it is not the foundation of their Faith and so their faith is not the faith the Apostles preached for that was faith in Christs blood as the foundation and ground of it Rom. 3. 25. and so Christ by virtue of his blood shed but neither T. M. nor any of us made the present being of the Blood of Christ or simply its material substance the foundation of Faith and therefore they play the Sophisters in what they say And whereas they say that We now tell them that his blood was shed or powred out for the Remission of our sins and in the vertue of it is with the Father and so in and with Christ they say herein we confute our selves but in what that we could not assert where the material blood namely that issued out of his side is and yet we say that the virtues of it are with the Father and so in and with Christ Reply What gross deceit is here As if this is our answer now and was not so then Whereas we call God to witness and the people that were present that we told them then the virtues of it are in the person of Christ and so represent it in our Narrative as the answer we gave What moved them else to dispute against the virtues of Christs Blood being separable from its substance if we did not so answer And our answer then would not satisfie which it seems now doth because they cannot give a better So that G. W. and G. F. may rather be ashamed to insinuate to our hearers that we confute ourselves when we said the same things then that now they would bring against us as cross to what we said then we for any thing we have said to them nor are the not being of the blood materially in his Body had we so said and its being in the vertues of it with the Father and so in Christ at all contradictory to them that know what contradictions mean Why did they not charge us with falshood rather in saying in our Narrative that we gave that for an answer that we did not if they know in their Consciences we did not then answer to and if they know the contrary why do they dissemble it W. and F. They quarrel with us for saying That the dying and death of Christ is the foundation of our faith and yet it is not alwayes in being that is he is not alwayes dying and that the blood is not simply the foundation of our faith and then tell us that we preach a foundation of our faith that is not in being whereas the foundation of faith is Christ who is ever in being Reply See here their wilful fraud for whereas we said the dying of Christ is the foundation or of the foundation of our faith see else our book these words or of the foundation they willingly leave out And whereas we added to what they repeat viz. to that the blood of Christ is not simply the foundation we added but Christ himself by vertue of it as it was shed for us and he raised from the dead and he abides for ever They have concealed those words which had they repeated they had had no ground for their cavil Are not these meer Cavellers and forgers then that durst so wilfully create cavels against us where was none by curtailing and misrepresenting our sayings They say As for what he acted in his sufferings that was done that through his sufferings and works men might believe in him c. Reply What doth this but in other terms though but in deceit for that faith is that which is to be rooted up as not grounded upon Christs appearing in them that they might know him as he was before the world was and so to Salvation acknowledge what they would cavil at for what doth this differ from being the foundation of faith if they were done that through them Men might believe in him It seems without them then no ground of believing of him They say They did not blame us for not asseâ—â—ing the blood shed not in his body but for calling it the foundation The former part of which appears false by their often twitting us with it and yet it seems they do not assert otherwise of it then we did save that they believe no personal body for it to be in as for calling it the foundation of faith we did it not if either of us did it in opposition to and beside Christ but as that through which Christ is the foundation meaning by blood his sufferings to the shedding of his blood nay indeed his sufferings may in some sence be said to be the foundation of faith and Christ himself the foundation of his Church who are in that faith W. and F. They say T. M. his instance for Christs being in Heaven with a body of flesh and bones without blood in it was that we do not read that there was any blood in Adams body in Paradise for which say they he might as well have said that then Adams body had no life in it and such a body they say we imagine Christs to be whenas the blood is the life and all Nations are made of one blood Act. 17. 26. and they ask if we believe there was no blood left in Christs body when he was crucified Reply T. M. brought forth indeed such an observation as a conception or thought of his which rendred it probable to his apprehension that a glorified spiritual body needs not the being of material blood in it that he reads not that Adams body had blood in it before the fall in which he conceives what before was more purely spirits was changed into blood and therein the body became mortal but this is but his private conception which he gives not forth as an Oracle to be believed as an Article of Faith We read that Paul himself in some things propounded to him gives
forth his advice and thoughts which he sayes the Lord commanded not but he and speaks therein as one that thought he had the Spirit of God to guide him therein 1 Cor. 7 12 13 14 15 16 25 26 40. and when he wills Believers not to despise prophecyings he bids try all things and hold fast that that is good as implying that even in those that prophecy according to Truth as to the main fundamentals of it for others prophecyings are to be despised and rejected and counted accursed Gal. 1. 8 9. yet there may be possibly some things of mans thoughts and mistakes creep in and therefore from such we ought not to swallow down for Truth all that they say or conceive because they say it but to try what is said and accordingly as we see Truth in it receive it but their tryal of what T. M. said doth not discover it to be unsound onely they discover themselves void of judgement for may it be as well said Adam had no life in Paradise as no blood Is there no more said of his having life then of his having blood Is it not said he breathed into him the breath of life and he became a living Soul Is it not said God gave him commandment what to eat and what to forbear And he called the beasts by their names and slept and waked c. Are not these certain demonstrations that he had life But is there any such saying that demonstrates he had blood he said not of his wife this is flesh of my flesh and blood of my blood had it been so said T. M. would have been as far from supposing him to have had no blood then as now he is from supposing him to have had no life But how prove they that Adam had Blood Why Blood is the Life T. M. may answer it is so in the fallen state follows it it was so there Is there no difference between is now and was then They add he made of one blood all Nations but neither doth that cross T. Ms. apprehensions for there was no Nation nor man made of Adam before his fall he fell before he propagated and so by T. Ms. conception too had Blood for them to be made of before they were made of him and as to that question Whether we believe there was no blood left in Christs Body when crucified How should we certainly believe what is not revealed some judge it probable there was not because it is said after his side was pierced forthwith came there out Blood and water water is mentioned last as if the Blood might be all drained out till water followed it but we do not make that an Article of our Creed that it was so we find some good men that had the oversight of the Churches here in Queen Elizabeth and the following dayes did not dis-believe or deny such a conception for it is Printed amongst those Songs and Hymns set before or after the Psalms in the Complaint of a Sinner thus The Scripture doth declare no drop of blood in thee For that thou didst not spare to shed each drop for me T is probable had they thought it an error they would scarce have let it be printed there But this is of those things of which it use to be said quisquis suo sensu abundet let every man judge as he is perswaded in his own minde What they say of T. Ms. denying Christs Body to be a carnal Body and opposing hereto his own words and the Priests mentioning Priest Higginson and others affirming that Christ is in Heaven with a Carnal Body is erroneous too For though T. M. denyed his Body to be carnal as he did well to do yet that did not contradict his saying it is a Body that hath Flesh and Bones in it glorified for fleshly and carnal are not alwayes one and the same carneum and carnale differ as 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in the Greek sure an heart of flesh that the Lord promises is not a carnal heart Ezek. 36. 26. What Priest Higginson and others affirmed we know not its probable they bely him and them as they stick not to do us That the Body of Christ is seen and known onely with that by which God is seen and known hath this unsavoury conception intimated in it that Christs Body is as spiritual and invisible to a bodily eye as God who is a Spirit and not a Body is But how then did Paul see him raised and could witnesse it if he be as invisible to the humane eye as God is Or if he see nothing that ever was dead and that he was seen of Paul as a person raised from the dead is plain in 1 Cor. 15. 4 5. 8. and 9. 1. sure Paul was not the last to whom Christ was seen by Faith and as spiritually demonstrated to the Soul no nor the last of those to whom Christ was so seen in those times Therefore when he sayes he was seen of him last he must needs mean it of his Body seen and seen by Bodily sight as the other Apostles see him by Bodily sight or else he must speak very inconsistently with himself which we may not grant In our pag. 12. I mistook in my hast and writ Job for Elihu which with my Pen I corrected too in divers Books before I gave them out after I minded it yet they declaim against this as if it was some hainous fault They say It was Elihu who was one that spake against Job for Job knew God when they that came against him did not And so they mention with an addition of a lye of their own that I pleaded for sin in it a Lettter to Elizabeth Vnderwood where I brought Eliphaz his words that say His Angels he charged with folly for which G. W. charges me J. H. because Eliphaz was one against whom Gods wrath was kindled and who spake not the thing of God that was right To which charges I say to the first of them First I confesse my self a man and subject to forgetfulness and oversights especially when in hast with businesse and so I did in my forgetfulnesse write the word Job for Elihu because the Book doth wholly bear the Title of Job But Secondly what great error was in that seeing Elihu was an holy man as well as Job and came not against Job otherwise then God himself after did to reprove him for some rash expressions which Job also afterward acknowledged his evil in and Job as much implyed his not knowing God in the sense Elihu speaks of in Job 42. 3. I have uttered sayes he that I understood not and things too wonderful for me and Elihu speaks as much of his knowing God as Job Job 32. 18. I am full of matter the spirit within me constraineth me c. and 33. 3. 6. my words shall be of the uprightness of my heart my lips shall utter knowledge clearly which he could
their deceits into light that people might be warned of them and so avoid them To their foolish Questions in their Post-script we say First That they begin their questions with a falshood for we are not called Moorians or Manifestarians that we know of nor are so for we call no man our Father or Master after that forbidden manner nor own we any such callings as they do that own themselves Calvinists Lutherans c. nor are we Authors of what they say we hold forth in either the first or second branch of it The first is Pauls flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God nor can corruption inherit incorruption And as to the second that flesh and bones may We say not that flesh and bones as natural in natural bodies may we say that that Body of Christ which had Flesh and Bones after the Resurrection of it is taken up into heaven and is in heaven and the Scripture is clear for it Luke 24. 39 40. 51 52. what change or transmutation further it had in its ascension and Glory we know not but we believe that as the Apostles see him taken up into Heaven and they see him taken up in that Body in which was Flesh and Bones so he shall come again in like manner Acts 1. 11. their reproaching us for that faith shall not drive us from it because they are none of the True Apostles and Prophets nor if they were might we give credit to them bringing a contrary Doctrine to what we have from the Holy Apostles received Gal. 1. 8 9. Quest. 1. THey ask if Eliahs flesh and bones could enter into Gods Kingdom when he was taken up and if his blood could not Then when where and how and by whom was his blood taken and separated from his flesh and bones and what is become of it Ans Secret things belong to God things revealed to us and to our children that we might believe and do them Whether Eliahs body is in Heaven or in what form or manner we neither read it nor can determin nor they neither Quest 2. And what is it that hinders the blood that it cannot enter the Kingdom as well as the flesh and bones which ye say may is the transgression of the blood greater then the transgression of the flesh and bones And shall the flesh and bones be redeemed from corruption and shall not the blood What is the cause For though the Lord doth what he pleaseth yet doth he do any thing without a cause Ans These are prophane Scoffs and Reproaches against Gods Truths that the body which is sown a natural body shall be raised a spiritual body after the pattern of Christ who is the first fruits of them that sleep we believe and that the Body of Christ raised had Flesh and bones in it we read and believe also and that flesh and blood shall not inherit the Kingdom of God we believe too but prophane and vain bablings we are to shun which will increase to more ungodlinesse and eat like a Canker especially the Word and Doctrine of such as Hymeneus and Philetus who erred concerning the Truth and said the Resurrection is past or made already and that 's these mens error as above shewed when they said The coming of Christ spoken of 1 Thes 4. 15 16. in which the dead are to be raised was while the Apostles believers lived and remained Therefore these words and prophane bablings of theirs we and all people are to avoid being wise to sobriety knowing that God hath no cause higher then himself and his own good pleasure in what he doth and that he gives not an account of all his matters and what he keeps secret is not for us to search Quest 3 Whether do you own that Doctrine that when Christ appeared amongst his Disciples after his Resurrection when the doors were shut John 29. 19. that then his body being spiritualized it glided in at the key-hole of the door Which Doctrine Thomas Moore Senior hath formerly preaobed as some hath affirmed who heard him Answ No but we owne that this is a slander raised maliciously against Thomas Moor Senior either of their own heads or by some that render him evil for good and hatred for his love to whom appertains and upon whom will fall Judas his curse and portion if they repent not mentioned Psal 109. 5 6 7. c. Quest 4. And where do the Scriptures say that flesh and bones may inherit the Kingdom Heaven Answ Where do we say so or in any tearms but what the Scriptures own The Scriptures say Christ shall so come even in like manner as his Disciples see him go up and he was taken up in that Body in which was flesh and bones as before which Body is now his Glorious Body further we affirm not or inquire not Quest 5. And whereas you John Horn and Thomas Moor in page 16. say That Sathan doubtlesse may reprove of some sins and presse to some duties now have you not herein shewed your selves to be ministers of Sathan and not of Christ c Answ No no more then Paul was in saying Satan himself is transformed into an Angel of light 2 Cor. 11. 13 14. sure an Angel of light will reprove of sin and presse to duty and if Satan do not so as to form or outside at least he is not in the form of an Angel of Light Whereas they ask further What duties or any things that are duties doth Satan press men to bidding us answer directly or let shame cover our faces which they say will at length come upon us for our deceits We answer To such duties as in which his Ministers may be transformed into Ministers of Righteousnesse which they could not be if not Zealous for some things that are in their place and order in duties 2 Cor. 11. 14. as to be diligent to go up and down and preach Righteous Works or VVorks of Righteousnesse together with their own evil mixtures and to evil unrighteous ends that he might by drawing them from gross evils as the Pharisees their Proselites from Heathenism and gross idolatry make them more Children of hell by spiritual iniquity and wickedness and so more serviceable to his designs and so he presses the Quakers to reprove many fins and evils which indeed is a duty ought to be done in Gods way but as they do it they serve Sathan in it making it a means to beguile unstable souls to their delusion The Lord stop their mouths as he hath promised in Psal 63. 11. A multitude of Questions under 26. Heads sent by George Whitehead and since owned by him and by John Whitehead and George Fox the younger as sent by them all to John Horn and Thomas Moor junior for this they say in their pretended Answer to us subscribed by all the three that they sent queries in Manuscript to John Horn and Thomas Moor see the latter end of their 33. page meaning these they
himself handle me and see that is I my self For the Word was made flesh and therefore even that flesh or body could not be holden of Death Luke 24. 39. John 1. 14. with Acts 22. 24. 31. c. Or 2. A man may have other things or persons as relations to him by marriage Covenant or by Blood So a man is said to have his wife and the woman her husband 1 Cor. 7. 12. 13. likewise instructed to have one another according to such covenant and relation ver 2. So persons are said to have children or nephews as relation in the flesh though neither is the husband the wife nor the wife the husband nor is the child the father or the father the child c. But these are distinct relations and distinctly related to and so had by each other as well as distinct persons In some answerable sence it may be said Jesus Christ hath his Body the Church as his spouse and children and they have him as their Head Husband Father and Lord in that Covenant and Relation that is in the unity of the Spirit as appears by those comparisons and instructions from them Ephes 5. 23. 32. with Chap. 4. 4. 6. c. And yet Christ is not the Church but the Head and Husband of it and so neither is he who is the head of his body the Church A body in such a sence of himself alone without his members that are so Mystically and Spiritually I say not in such a sence as they joyned to him as their head are said to be his Body Whence as he in his own personal body now glorified is the head of a body in the last sence namely of his body the Church in such a sence and in such consideration of him they are said to be his fulnesse who yet receives nothing from them but filleth all in all But he as the head of the body and so that his body in the last sence is made up and compleated of them by what they receive from him and are made in him Ephes 1 22. 23. And so neither are they any of them or all of them together the Christ the head of the Body or Husband of the Church But his Body Church or Spouse as joyned to him Spiritually and by Faith and members thereof in particular 1 Cor. 12. 12. 13. 27. Eph. 5. 23. 25. 32. The having each other in this sence is not such as confounds the distinction of persons or relations or makes the one the other 3. One may also truly be said to have things or persons which yet he hath not in such relation nor are so related to him and that either in a propriety or interest in them by right of purchase gift or otherwise or in possession And so according to these divers sences in which these words are used we might answer to this first question whether Christ hath two bodies In some sences yea and in others nay But for the help of others we answer more fully thus 1. If by bodies be understood personal bodies and also by having them be meant as in the last mentioned sence in which one may be said to have things or persons as we are left at liberty to take any sence in which the words are used whether they so propounded it out of weaknesse or wickednesse we will not determine then thus we answer Christ hath an innumerable multitude of bodies as well as souls even the bodies and spirits of all men are his and of right in his dispose For 1. He hath interest in them by creation for all things were made by him and for him John 1. 3. Col. 1. 16 17. and by redemption for he gave himself a ransom for all and hath bought them all even them that deny him he hath redeemed them from the curse of the Law to be under his Government dispose and judgement and by means thereof 2. He hath the dispose and dominion of them committed to him for the Father judgeth no man but hath committed all judgement to the Son and hath given him authority to execute judgement also because he is the Son of man All things are delivered unto him of his Father even the Heathen for his inheritance and the utmost parts of the Earth for his possession And therefore also 3. He shall inherit all Nations yea all shall be raised and judged by him at the last day for to this end Christ both dyed rose and revived that he might be Lord of both dead living whether we live therefore or die we are the Lords 1 Tim. 2. 6. 2 Pet. 2. 1 Gal. 3. 13. with Rom. 5 18 Col. 1. 20. John 12. 31 32. and 5. 22. 27 28. Math. 11. 27. Psal 2 6 7 8. Rom. 14. 7 8 9. c. who can number the bodies he hath in this sence on the Earth surely even these deceivers that privily deny the Lord that bought them and those deceived by them are all his and shall be judged by him even by the man Christ Jesus by whom God hath ordained to judge the World in Righteouenesse whereof he hath given assurance unto all men in that he hath raised him from the dead Job 12. 16. John 5. 22. 29. Acts 17. 31. And as for the bodies of those that with the heart believe on him they are his in a more peculiar manner even members of him as is before shewed But 2. If by Bodies be understood personal Bodies and by having be meant as in the first mentioned sence his having them as of the essence or being of himself Then our answer to the question is nay There are not divers personal bodies of Christ not two that may each properly and peculiarly be called the Body of Christ but there is one which is more then these men believe and that which they privily endeavour to deny in these queries and he hath it and continueth in it for ever And it is the same and no other that was prepared for him in the womb of the Virgin in which he appeared once in the last ages of the World to put away sin by the Sacrifice of himself And in this his own Body himself bore our sins on the Tree and being raised from the dead the third day is now passed into the Heavens and there received by the Father till the times of the restitution of all things and because this man continueth for ever therefore he hath an unchangeable priesthood is now appearing in the presence of God in the Heaven it self for us the man Christ Jesus the Mediator between God and man and great high Priest over the House of God even Jesus the Son of God passed into the Heavens for us For if he were on Earth he were not such a Priest as becomes us to have 1 Tim. 2. 5. 6. Heb. 7. 23. 26. and 8. 1. 3 4 and 9 24 and 10. 5. 12. Again 3. If Bodies be understood in the 2d sence of the word body mentioned
infalible proofs being seen of them fourty dayes c. In all which he demonstrated himself to them to be the same person and in the same Body yea to have the same flesh and bones hands and feet in which he dwelt among them and walked up and down with them in the dayes of his flesh or weaknesse and in which he was crucified through weaknesse And that now in the same Body he did live again by the Power of God and in the Glory of his Father and did or presently should ascend up and go away from them to the Father to appear in the presence of God in Heaven it self for them to prepare a place for them c. And that from thence he might even in the same body in the Name and Glory of his Father descend or come down again and receive them to himself with all else who through his Grace bringing Salvation to all men in due time do love and waite for that his Glorious appearing that they may be with him for ever See the Scriptures before mentioned to this purpose how after his Resurrection he did evidently demonstrate himself to them Luke 24. 36. to the end And to Thomas particularly who not being with the rest when they had seen the Lord had said to them except I shall see in his hands and put my finger into the print of the nayles and thrust my hand into his side I will not believe See what follows John 20. 24 to the end For even those things are written that we in after ages that have not so seen him might believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God and that believing we might have life through his Name See also how further he asserts concerning his Ascension and going away from them to the Father John 20. 17. with Chapter 14. 3. 28. and 16. 5 9. 28. And that the same Jesus of Nazareth even Christ of the fruit of Davids loyns after the flesh for the name Jesus was not given him or not so as that he was called by it till he had taken and was made flesh and it alwayes signifies that person as so made and includes the body of his flesh That he in the same Body did Ascend and was parted from them after he had so shewed himself unto them and was carried and received up into Heaven even as he had said unto them See the Scriptures Mark 16. 19 Luke 24. 50. 51. Acts 1. 2 3. 9 10 11. and 2. 22. 36. As likewise that the Heaven must receive him till the times of restitution of all things And then and to that God shall send him from thence in the Glory he now possesseth for us there Acts 3 13. 21. Mat. 16. 27. In the mean time he appears in the presence of God for us even in Heaven it self there possessing Bodily even in the man the Glory he had with the Father as his onely begotten Son before the World was Heb. 9. 24. John 17. 45. Col. 2. 9 Acts 5. 30 31. Heb. 7. 23. 26. with Chap. 8. 1. 3. 4. So that this Jesus is the very Christ Acts 9. 22. and 18. 28. with Chap. 17. 3. And the man Christ Jesus is the one Mediator between God and men even he the same who gave himself a ransom for all and is not any more to be offered in Sacrifice or to give himself a Ransome for us But to be testified to us in due time We come in the next place to their query under this 5th head viz. Quest What is that place he is in far above all Heavens which is not Heaven Answ This question is foolish and unlearned for asmuch as it takes for granted either as our minde or saying or as the expression of the Scripture that there is some place far above all Heavens which is not Heaven Whereas neither is this any saying of ours nor any where in the Scripture but their filly inference Nor is there any ground for their question in the words of the Scripture which they seem to allude to For that Ephes 4. 10. speaks not expresly of a place far above all Heavens but of a person He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all Heavens c. And sure its understandable enough that a person exalted to great Glory and dignity may be far above the place of his Habitation where he possesseth it Yea is it not said of God that made the Heavens and the Earth that Heaven is his Throne upon which he sitteth Mat 23. 22. the place of his Habitation Psal 33. 14. And yet sure the Creator is infinitly above and greater than the Creature yea he hath set his Glory above the Heavens Psal 8. 1. This Question therefore as stated by them we may justly reject as a foolish and perverse disputing of men of corrupt mindes destitute of the Truth Yet we shall here also as alwayes by the Grace of God with simplicity and Godly sincerity clearly assert and shew by the Scriptures the Truth of God against their privy endeavours to cast down the man Christ Jesus from his Excellency And so we say The place or places where he now possesseth his Glory in that body of his flesh for us is the Heaven it selfe Heb. 9. 24. The place of the Habitation or Throne of God Psal 33. 13. 14 Isa 66. 1. Mat. 23. 22. For he is with him appearing in the presence of his Glory for us in Heaven it self when we cannot in such wise appear for our selves nor in our own persons while at whom in the body in its mortal state he is set on the Right hand of the Throne of Majesty in the Heavens Heb. 8. 1. into which he is passed and gone up Heb. 4. 14. 1 Pet. 3. 22. And yet therein he may be truly and properly said to be ascended or gone up far above all Heavens not only in respect of Glory and Dignity but even in respect of place or local height also When it self the Heaven or Heaven of heavens the place or places on high whether he is gone up is distinctly mentioned in the same Scripture and speech as it is in that Eph. 4. 8. 10. He ascended on high saith ver 8. far above all Heavens saith ver 10. Now as the Apostle teacheth us to argue 1 Cor. 15. 27. But when he saith all things are put under him its manifest that he is excepted that did put all things under him So we may say here when he saith he is ascended on high far above all Heavens it appears that the place or places on high where he possesseth this Glory for us is excepted from those all Heavens far above which he is locally ascended or gone up And so we read of the Heaven of heavens 1 Kings 8. 27. Neh. 9. 6. Sometimes also called the Heavens of heavens Psal 148. 4. And also that Christ of the fruits of Davids loyns after the flesh is ascended on high far above all Heavens even into
Heaven it self the Heaven or Heavens of heavens where he is received till the times of restitution now to appear in the presence of God for us Acts. 2. 30. 32. 34. and 3. 21 Heb 9 24 Again if we take in a figurative sence of the word Heavens as included in that Ephes 4. 10. that is to say if we understand them to signifie not only the Heavens or heavenly places but those that dwell in them in any sence one or other as well we may yet in saying he is ascended far above all Heavens in such a sence namely exalted in state and dignity far above all Principality and Power and Might and Dominion and every name that is named c. as Ephes 1. 21. We or the Scripture do not therein say either that he is exalted above the Father that exalted him thither or that because he is exalted far above all principality and power and every name c. Therefore he is set in no principality or power or hath no name But that God hath given him a name above every name as Phil. 2. 8 9 c. Namely above every other name and so that he is gone into Heaven and is on the Right hand of God Angels Authorities and Powers yea all things being made subject to him by the Father but still its evident he is excepted that made all things subject 1 Pet. 3. 22. with 1 Cor. 15. 27. We may see the darknesse and confusion of the Light in them by its dictating to them and leading them into such corrupt and foolish inferences as that because he is ascended on High far above all Heavens therefore the place he is in must be no Heaven The same as to the nature or manner of infering with such as these that follow That because God preferred Israel above all Nations on the Earth which he had made Deut. 14. 2. and 26 19. Therefore they were no Nation on the Earth or of his making And so because the Lord is above and greater then all gods Exod. 18. 11. Psal 97. 9. and 135. 5. Therefore he is not God who sees not the weaknesse and corruption of such reasoning If any say that Israel in other places is called a People and a Nation And the Lord in other places is called God We answer It s as evident that the place or places on high where the raised body of Christ entered and is received and remaineth until the Restitution of all things is in other places frequently called heaven the Heavens the Heaven it self as in the Scriptures forementioned and others But it may seem their understandings told them a body must have a place and therefore that they might privily deny the being of his personal and now Glorious Body and so that this man continues for ever they devised this inference to see if they could drive us into a confusion about the place where he is as also the two following questions Quest 6. Whether do you believe that all the Heavens are local places one above another and above the Firmament which is called Heaven Yea or nay Answ This querie hath three parts To the first whether all the Heavens are local places We answer if places then locall seeing local signifies places To the 2d part whether one above another We answer all the Heavens cannot be one above another for those that be the lower cannot be above the higher but there are lower and higher there are heavens and the Heaven of heavens as we shewed before Yea Stephen being full of the Holy Ghost saw the Heavens opened and the Son of man standing on the Right hand of God in Heaven Acts 7. 55 56. To the last part whether above the Firmament called Heaven If they mean whether they be all above it we Answer Nay seeing that is one Heaven and it is not above it self But if they would querie whether any be above it We Answer yea And might shew it in that Psal 8. 1. 3. Deut. 33. 26. with other Scriptures But all this question upon question is nothing to the purpose as to the thing aimed at by them nor would it if it had been more properly propounded or stated as to say If this be the question whether the word heaven or heavens be alwayes used in a proper sence to express to us some place or places of Glory above the Earth and one above and exceeding another and if to this we answer as well we might Nay the words are sometimes used figuratively to expresse to us the dwellers in heaven of divers sorts and degrees as likewise we finde other proper names of places frequently used figuratively as the house for the houshold c. And sometimes Metaphorically What then Doth it follow hence that such words are never used in Scripture in their direct and proper sence or that they are not so used and so to be understood in those Scriptures that treat of the matter under consideration Is this a good Argument That if it be not evident that the word heaven or heavens doth alwayes signifie some place or places of Glory distinct from and above the Earth That then it must not be so understood when Christs being ascended up and gone into heaven is spoken of And that this is the thing they drive at in this and the last question is evident But what their arguing availes to it let the Reader judge Their question but that they have a designe in hand they are ashamed of or afraid to discover should have been plain and direct to the businesse viz. What is meant by heaven or heavens when Christs ascending up thither or being gone or taken up into them and received and set down there on the Right hand of power is spoken of as Heb. 8. 1. and 4. 14. and 9. 24. Mark 16. 19. Luke 24. 51. Acts 3. 21. with other like Scriptures And to this our answer is that then by heaven or heavens is meant a place or places on high distinct from other places yea distinct from and above the Earth and these heavens within our sight or that we are capable of considering sensibly in our mind Yea though as we have said where it is said he is ascended on high far above all heavens there a figurative sence of heavens is included yet in such places where his being gone up into heaven and there received and set on the Right hand of Majestie even in the heavens is spoken of there such a figurative sence cannot be included as in the other saying forementioned for he is not in such a sence received into or being in the dwellers in heaven as he is said to be received into and to be in heaven it self 1. Not in believers here on Earth who having their conversation in heaven may yet be said Spiritually to dwell in heaven But Christ is not in or among them bodily in his Glorious body but Spiritually and by Faith nor doth he so appear in them with or among them
as in beaven for there he appears in the presence of God personally in that his own body the body of his flesh in which he bore our sins on the tree not so in with or among them now but by his Spirit which he calls another Comforter as distinguished from his own person John 14. 16. 18. 26. They see him not as the Apostles and first witnesses Acts 1. 3. 1 Cor. 15. 5. 8. John 20. 29. 1 Pet. 1. 8. But in the evidence and demonstration of the Spirit through their Doctrine They have him not with them as or in such a sence as they have the poor with them viz. in bodily presence Yea they are absent from him while at home in the body even in a like sence as aforesaid as at home in the body 2. Nor is he gone up into or received in Angels and so set on the Right hand of Power in them but passed and gone into Heaven far above all Principallity and Power Angels and Authorities being made subject to him Nor can Heaven in such places as forementioned mean any State of Glory or Dignity as distinct from the place where he possesseth it for it is said he shall descend or come down from heaven where he is now received till the restitution of all things 1 Thes 4. 16. Phil. 3. 21. Acts 3. 20. 21. But in respect of state of Glory he shall not descend he shall never more lay aside any of that Glory or Dignity he now possesseth for us or be abased or humbled for us as before But shall still sit on the Right hand of Power which expresseth the state of Glory and dignity he now possesseth for us which he shall still possess even when he comes down from heaven and appears personally on the Earth the second time Mat. 26. 64. Yea the words in the Heavens do plainly express the place where he now possesseth his Glory in the man as distinguished from the Glory he there possesseth with the Father which is expressed in other expressions distinct as his being set on the Right hand of God on the right hand of Power on the right hand of the Throne of the Majesty in which he is now exalted and glorified in the man and that in the heavens or heaven it self as Heb. 8. 1. 1 Pet. 3. 22. And so in all such Scriptures as before by heaven and so by the heaven or heavens whether he is gone up and where he is received and possessed of that Infinite Glory in the body of his flesh for us is evidently meant according to the most direct and proper sence of the word the place or places on high where he is so received and appeares in the presence of God for us And to this we gave these demonstrations in our discourse in their hearing to which they have answered nothing 1. It is called Heaven it self Heb. 9. 24. To distinguish it from heaven after any figurative Typical or other sence of the word 2. He is said to be ascended up thither passed and gone into Heaven yea received and taken up Eph. 4. 10. Heb. 4. 14. 1 Pet. 3. 22. Mark 16. 19. Acts 1. 2. 9 all which expressions plainly import a place or places above whither he is so taken up Yea 3. It is likewise said that in being so taken or carried up he was parted from them Luke 24 51. And after that was no more so with them in the World John 17. 11. 12 13. Mat. 26. 11. 4. The Heaven into which he was taken up from his Disciples was the same or Heaven in the same sence as of which it is said the Apostles and disciples stood stedfastly looking towards it as he went up Acts 1. 9 10 11. 5. The same from whence he shall descend or come again in like manner as those chosen witnesses saw him go when he comes to restore all things in their individuals Acts 1. 11. and 3. 20 21. Phil. 3. 20 21. 1 Thes 4. 16. And that cannot be his Church for he shall not then go from them but come to them nor his Glory he now possesseth as before said for he shall not come from that but in it even in the Glory of his Father and with his Holy Angels But is evident to be onely the place or places on high where he now possesseth that Glory for us from whence he shall descend or come down againe still sitting on the Right hand of Power 6. It s that Heaven or heaven in such a sence as it is properly opposed to the Earth where and on which the former Priests served yea it is expresly said If he were on Earth he were not a Priest such a one as becomes us to have Heb. 8. 1. 3 4. and 4. 14. with Chapter 7. 26. In which its plain that he is not on Earth in his personall and bodily presence as he is in Heaven as opposed to the Earth And the necessity of his going away thither and being received and appearing there in the presence of God for us and of what usefulness it is to us and of what concernment the holding fast the acknowledgment of it is such as know the Grace of God in Truth do know something may be seen of it in Tho. Moor junior his Antidote pag. 41 42. and 43. And in his instruction to the living pages 39. 51. And they that deny it do deny Jesus to be the great high Priest yea they deny his being already come in the flesh so as that the works given him to do on the Earth in that his own body for the expiation of sin are finished as John 17. 4 5. with Heb. 1. 3. and 7. 26 27. and 9. 24 26. And so in sum deny Jesus to be the Christ and therein shew themselves lyars Deceivers Antichrists and are therefore and as such to be turned away from and held accursed by us 7. Que. Can a body of Flesh and Bones be both in the Heavens and far above them all and fill all things at one and the same time Yea or nay Answ Nay but the man Christ Jesus in that body of his flesh in which he bore our sins on the tree and hath flesh and bones now raised and gloryfied with the Fathers own self being ascended on high and set down on the Right hand of Majesty in the Heavens and so being with the Father and in his Name God over all blessed for ever He may from thence and in that Name Power and Glory fill all things and fulfill all things too as that Text also may be read in his time and according to his Word And the Text saith not that his body fills or might fill all things but he for whom God prepared that body and who in that body is ascended up far above all Heavens and is not now on the Earth in his Glorious personal Bodily presence nor saith it that he doth fill all things but he is ascended that he might fill or fulfill all things The
his precious blood sufferings and death Yea therein was he and so his past and finished sufferings actually and fully made and mightily declared to be such bread of Life For if he had not rose and revived or lived again in the same body in which he bore our sins to offer himself to God in Heaven it self and there to appear in his presence for us his flesh could have profited us nothing but now its profitable to all things If he had been still and often suffering for sins or could die or shed blood any more then had there been no such vertue in that which he hath already done if therein he had not finished the works of abasement and blood-shedding the Father gave him to do on the Earth and thereby obtained the Resurrection and Glory of Eternal Redemption and Life in himself for us we had been yet in our sins and the Preaching of his Crosse and Faith therein had been vain which is not in blood now shedding but shed the sufferings and Death finished and past as to the acting or actuall bearing or sustaining them but God hath raised him from the dead and given him Glory because he so humbled himself c. That by him our Faith and hope might be in God and so the vertue or preciousnesse of his blood the love testified in it the peace made and Redemption obtained by it remaines ever with the Father for us treasured up in him even in that his now Glorious body in which he once suffered for our sins that in his name it may be Spiritually shed forth upon us which precious vertues and fruits of his blood may be also called his blood in a like sence as the water fetcht out of the well of Bethlehem with the jeopardy of their lives that fetcht it is called the blood of those men 2 Sam. 23. 15 16 17. And as that which is bought with a mans money may be called his money yea his having obtained by shedding his blood the Spirit of life in the man more excellent in degree then the breath of Life first breathed into Adam with all power Authority and fitnesse to send forth thereof to men and having also confirmed the Precious promises of it in his blood This his fulnesse and fitnesse to dispence is Wine mingled and so that Spirit powered forth in and with the Preaching of his Crosse opening and making known his words is drink indeed John 6. 27. to the end with Prov. 9. Jer. 15. 16. Psal 119. 103. And may be called his blood as being the precious fruit of it but still that which Originally and properly beares that Name and from whence such precious fruits of it may be also so called is as before that blood blood-shedding or Death of his Crosse and that being the Root and foundation of all these precious fruits is the drink indeed the bottom matter of all Spiritual quickenings and retreshings because by means of it Christ is raised and Glorified in the man for men and made such a quickning Spirit as hath been shewed before therefore we shall add no more to it here 3. This is brought to us that it may be Spiritually fed on by us not in the material or sencible being of that flesh and blood in us or sencibly nigh to us nor in a dayly coming in the flesh and so suffering for sin and offering himself often either within us or without before us that we might be eye witnesses of these things as those that lived in the dayes of his flesh or being manifested in the flesh were For then must he often have suffered from the foundation of the World but now once in the end of the World hath he appeared to put away sin by the Sacrifice of himself he once suffered and died for sin and can die no more either in his own Person or for sin and for the putting away sin in any other person But that which he hath already done and compleated in himself by means thereof is brought to us by the evidence and demonstration of the Spirit in the Gospel and other witnesses of his goodnesse and Name given us in which he that was dead is witnessed by means thereof to be alive for ever more and appearing in the presence of God for us Therefore it s said that he gave himself a Ransom once for all not that he should offer himself often or any more but to be testified in due time in what he hath already done and is become thereby or that he should now be a Testimonie thereof to men and of the Grace and Glory of the Father therein 1 Tim. 2. 6. So that now for the making us partakers of the blessed benefit and fruit of what he hath done and is become for us he is not doing the same things over again once finished on the Earth But first executing the office of an Apostle Messenger or Preacher of the peace that ho hath made thereby therein shewing his sulnesse and fitness for us by means thereof and commending the Grace of God through it and then also executing the Office of a great high Priest appearing in the presence of God for us that we may not fail of his Grace through our manifold weaknesse follies But still that his appearing there as a Priest and Advocate and so as the propitiation for our sins is by vertue of and with that one offering of his one body perfected through sufferings once for all whence we are exhorted to consider the Apostle and high Priest of our profession Christ Jesus who was faithfull to him that appointed him even in the finishing those works of which he is an Apostle to us and by which he is an high Priest for us and that laid down as the ground of our confidence of his goodness and faithfulness in what remains Heb. 3. And so as we have before hinted the Scripture saith not as these men that the flesh and blood of Christ is nigh them but the word of Faith which declares it and its vertues and efficacies with the Father in shewing himself in that body in which he so suffered by means thereof to be risen from the dead made both Lord and Christ and appearing in the presence of God for us that Preaching of the Cross is made nigh to men in the Proaching of it vouchsafed they being in the evidence and demonstration of the Spirit with power revealing the object and opening the eyes and strengthening the heart that they might believe and confess that God hath raised Christ from the dead and so that Christ might dwell in their hearts by Faith of him in what he hath done and is become for them yea it is the Power of God to Salvation to them that believe though foolishness to them that perish from it Rom. 10. 6. 10. 1 Cor. 1. 18. c. 12. Query And if the blood of Christ that was shed be the drink indeed and the purger of the conscience where
is that blood if not in Christs flesh as you affirmed seeing that men must drink the blood of Christ as well as eat his Flesh or else they have no life in them Answ They have hitherto intimated their corrupt minde against the personall and now Glorious body of Christ and against the heavens in which it is as onely designing to cast him down from his Excellency now they proceed to imply and privily cast out their venom against the blood of Christ as if that blood that was shed is personal sufferings to the sheding of his blood and death of the Cross were not the drink indeed and purger of the conscience for so in their supposition they imply that as a question whether that blood of Christ that was shed be the drink indeed c. And then frame their following question of purpose to deny or make it void from being so for if it be so say they then where is it c In which as in the former they imply that men cannot eat his flesh and drink his blood except it be in a sencible being present with them nigh to or in them and so consequently deny that blood of his Cross that was shed for the Remission of sins to be the drink indeed and the purger of the conscience because it is not now shedding and so as much deny his flesh that was broken and the preparing and giving it to be bruised wounded and broken for our transgressions to be meat indeed because those works and sufferings therein are finished and past and not doing or to be done over again in that person or any other and so cannot be in a present or sencible being nigh to in or with any man 2. They still to cast reproach upon it further imply that if that blood that was shed be the drink indeed and so consequently if that body of his flesh be meat indeed then the eating or drinking must be in a natural or sensual manner like as natural meat and drink is eaten and drunk For this they fully signifie the blood that was shed cannot be drunk except in its material being it be in Christs flesh or somewhere else nigh to men in a present material existence For if that blood that was shed say they be the drink indeed then where is it if not in Christs flesh as they say we affirmed but they say falsly for we oft declared that as the Blood of Christ is the bottom ground or foundation of our Faith or that by means of which he is so and so as it is the drink indeed c. Even so it is in Heaven with the Father even in Christs personal Glorious Body But that is not in a material and mortal existence or being of it in his flesh and with it as here he was partakers of Flesh and Blood but in the infinite vertue and preciousness of its being shed and so his sufferings once suffered in the flesh are for ever accepted and remembered with the Father and his Body Glorified and immeasurably fil'd with the Eternal Spirit yea he therein made a quickening Spirit for and to us and all by means of his death the vertue and preciousnesse of which remains for ever and so the Fruit of it and grace in and through it which also as we hinted before may be called his Blood as being the Fruit of it and things procured and purchased by it But then also in this their reproach 3. That which they add as a Reason why Christs Blood that was shed must be in his flesh if it be the drink indeed c. Namely that men must drink it shewes their folly for the necessity of drinking his Blood can be no Argument that his Blood is in his flesh as before it was shed for as so it was in a materiall being in his flesh and mixed with it it cannot be drunk in a sensuall or naturall way of drinking as they would signifie it must if that be the drink indeed it is rather to be drunk as shed and powered out for us We read of eating flesh with the Blood in it a thing forbidden in the Law but of drinking Blood in the flesh we read not but in their nonsencical language Yea 4. In the whole of this question they imply an immagination that there is some other Blood of Christ besides that which was shed or his Blood shedding and death once suffered in the flesh and that that other Blood is the drink indeed and the purger of the conscience and so consequently that there is some other flesh or Body of his flesh besides that which was broken for us which and not the former is the meat indeed And so they in their immagination make void his once suffering in the flesh in that one body so prepared for him as before as of no abiding vertue or efficacy with the Father for the taking away our sins and so for the Spiritual feeding of the believer now to this they render the Crosse of Christ of no effect that they may lift up something else in the name and place of it For further answer therefore to this Question and for the help of others we here add to what former demonstrations we have given of the flesh of Christ that is meat indeed and of his Blood that is drink indeed 1. That there is no other flesh of Christ that is meat indeed but that one Body of his Flesh that was prepared given and broken for us even his Flesh that he gave for the Life of the World nor any other Blood of Christ that is drink indeed but that Blood or death of the Cross that shedding of his Blood and powering out his Soul unto death which he once suffered in that his own Body for our sins without which we could have had no remission of them that he obtaining by it plenteous Redemption even the forgivenesse of sins might therein also seal and confirm the new Testament of precious promises and become himself in the man the Mediator of it and so an high Priest for ever after the order of Melchizedeck It is onely his being made flesh in that one Body prepared for him and his works and sufferings finished in that his own body in which he appeared once in the end of the World to put away sin by the Sacrifice of himself which the Father hath found out and accepted as a ransom or price of Redemption for sinful and fallen mankind and by means of which he hath given him glory in that his own Body in which he so Suffered that our Faith and Hope might be in God and therefore also it is onely that Cross of Christ because of the infinite grace therein testified which is commended and shed abroad by the Holy Ghost in his evidencing it as already past as to the actual enduring and suffering it in that in due time Christ dyed for the ungodly c. Rom. 5. 5. 10. and because of the Infinite vertue and
its pretious fruit abiding with him in the man Christ Jesus glorifyed by means thereof and so evidently set forth to us in the preaching of the Cross even this is in the Faith and Believing remembrance of unfained Believers and pretious to them and so in its pretious Fruits in their mind and conscience working also through the whole man through that Faith of the Operation of God which is the evidence of things not seen the confidence of things hoped for And had these men understood what it is to eat Christs flesh and drink his Blood and to have the conscience purged with that they would have been far from so blaspheming it as a common or prophane thing as in this question with the other at least privily they have done nor would they have sought room to lift up and magnify something else in the name and place of it But they clearly manifest to those of any right understanding and skil in the Word of Righteousness that it is not his flesh they eat nor his Blood they drink for they believe not that his once suffering in the flesh for sin to be so pretious with God as to have obtained such glory into him in the man for us as before is shewed and therefore neither do they believe that to be of such infinite and abiding virtue as to be the meat and drink of life and purger of the Conscience as they signify in this question and so they believe not on him as the Scripture hath said as may appear in the answers given nor is it the true Christ that is in them but something else in the name and place of him it is Swines Flesh they eat unclean and forbidden things and the broth of abhominable things is in their Vessels nor are their Consciences truly purged or made good though they may be seemingly quiet but still defiled according to the corrupt unbelieving mind if not seared as with an hot Iron for in him whom the Father hath sent and sealed they believe not nor in the Lords death the Blood or Death of his Crosse have they their peace consolation and rejoycing as further appears in what follows Quest 13. And was the Blood of Christ that was shed separate from his body and then bearing record on the earth when John wrote those words 1 John 5. 8. A. The Blood of Christ that is to say his once Suffering in the Flesh even to the shedding of his Blood and so to the pouring out his Soul or life unto death that blood or death of his Cross as we have before fully shewed that to be meant by the blood of Christ by which peace was made and redemption obtained and he entered into heaven it self c. Yea it is evident to be meant here for the blood that bears witnesse in earth is the same mentioned vers 6. as that by or through which his having come in the Flesh to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself compare with vers 6. chap. 4. 2 3. and Heb. 9. 26. was perfected Now it is not simply his sometime having Material and Mortal blood or his being partaker of Flesh and Blood but his suffering and enduring even to blood and so to death in the Flesh by which together with the Grace of God he came as our Saviour and became a Captain of Salvation for us and to us as Heb. 2. 9. 10. 14 15. and chap. 9. 12. 26. That Blood of his Cross his once suffering unto death in the Flesh and so his death is as we have before shewed past and over as to the actual accomplishment and sustaining of it yea so separated from his Personal Body as that all mortality was put off in his Resurrection from the dead he dyed once and can dye no more but the remembrance of it remaineth with the Father who hath received and accepted it and him by means of it as a sacrifice for ever and so the infinite Fountain of the pretious virtue and fruit of it is treasured up in the man Christ Jesus whom God hath raised from the dead and Floweth from him in the influences and streams thereof unto men in the Name of God his Father and so his blood is still bearing witnesse on earth for God hath given him as delivered for our offences and raised again for our justification for a Witnesse to the People a Testimony in due time Isa 55. 3 4. with Acts 13. 34. and 1 Tim. 2 4 5 6. and therein this is the first and great thing witnessed by the Holy Ghost in which he commends his love to men and sheds it abroad in the hearts of believers namely that when we were yet without strength enemies ungodly c. In due time Christ dyed not is dying for us Rom. 5. 6. 8. with 2 Sam. 14. 14. yea such the powerful efficacies of this blood or death of Christ that is so past that it can no more be suffered that where the preaching of it is with the Heart believed it fills with peace hope and joy through the power of the Holy Ghost in it it purgeth the Conscience from dead works to serve the Living God and so also is bearing witnesse on the earth for he that believeth on the Son of God hath the witnesse in himself in his understanding and heart by faith through which he proves its pretious fruit and effecacy So that as the Blood or death of Abel whom Cain slew when over and past yet witnessed against Cain and cryed unto God for vengeance Gen. 4. 10. 14. so the blood or death of Christ through which his comming in the flesh or first appearing to put away sin by the Sacrifice of himself was perfected being presented before the Father in the appearing of the Man Christ Jesus in that Body of his flesh in which he so suffered in the presence of his glory doth speak better things for us in Heaven and from thence also in the Name of the Father speaks good things on earth even peace and good will to men yea it speaks and works effectually in the hearts of them that believe Heb. 12. 24. but these men not onely intimately shew their counting this his suffering to blood to death a common thing of no more virtue and efficacy then the blood of another person may be but they also manifest themselves unreasonable and absurd that cannot understand how a thing actually past and over may still remain in its fruit and efficacy which they might have seen in other things as in that of Abels blood forementioned so also in Gods delivering Israel out of Aegypt destroying their enemies his answering Balaam to the making void the consultations of Balaak and such other wonderful works being given for a witnesse of his Righteousnesse unto the generations after Mich. 6. 1. 5. Psal 81. and 78. and 106. Quest 14. And how can the blood of Christ either cleanse any from sin or give life to any if the life of Christ be
when nor what Bodies they have before they die yea according to this their imagination the resurrection of the unjust is usually or often first contrary to the order of the Resurrection of the dead witnessed in the Scriptures of truth and there may be also many Resurrections of both the just and the unjust whereas the Scriptures mention but one a Resurrection not many Resurrections and that of the dead both of the just and unjust but every man in his own order but more need not here be added to shew the filthiness of this Satanical Dream the mention of it is enough with what hath been already said to shew the Dreamers to be denyers of the Resurrection of the Bodies of men that die in Adam that is after the natural or Bodily death and so of the Resurrection of the dead affirmed and shewed in the Scripture and to evince the truth of that Doctrine against all their endeavours to overthrow it yeâ— something further we shall add to this subject in answer to their next Question Quest 18. And whether the wicked upon whom after Death Judgement is come whose Souls are in Hell must afterward come out of Hell again to receive a second Judgement Ans This Question needs no other answer but the mention of that Scripture Rev. 20. 12 13. which speaking prophetically of the final and Eternal Judgement saith expresly That Death and Hell delivered up the dead which were in them and they were judged every one according to his works ther 's death and hell delivering up their Prisoners to Judgement But because in this last Question especially they manifest their horrible Corruption and infidelity about the Doctrine of the Resurrection of the dead and Eternal Judgement and what Deriders and Scoffers of both they be even against the plainest assertions of Scripture as in the fifteenth Question they are of Christs personal coming the second time and that we may further bear witnesse to the Truth denyed and reproached by them for the good of others we shall here add something further in return to this Question also noting the palpable wickednesse of the intention and scope of it and the falshood and folly they are found in in their pursuit of such a wicked enterprise 1. The intention and scope of it is to fasten an error upon the Doctrine of the resurrection of the dead and their coming forth to an Eternal Judgement after death viz. That if so then the wicked must come out of hell again after sentenced and sent thither and thereby to give a total overthrow to that doctrine of the resurrection of the dead Bodies of men and their coming forth to Eternal judgement after the natural and bodily death and so to make God a lyar even in those his most plain and full manifestations of the Truth by the Son himself who having declared the powerful efficacy of his voice as now speaking from heaven in the glorious Gospel for making those dead in sins and trespasses to hear and to the quickening and preserving in life those that in hearing hear and said that hour is coming and now is John 5. 25. he biddeth them vers 28. not marvel at that for the hour is coming he saith not as before and now is but onely that it is coming and in leaving out that clause and now is having mentioned it in the former declaration he fully implies that the hour here spoken of in the 28. vers now is not but certainly cometh after the forementioned hour or time that was then begun even when God shall send us Jesus who before was preached to us as Acts 3. 20. with Mat. 24. 14. See the instruction to the living from the consideration of the future state of the dead by T. M. Junior pages 15 16 17 18 19. the hour is coming in the which all that are in the graves in the dust of the earth and in the disappearing state of death shall hear his voice and shall come forth namely out of their graves they shall be wholly freed and made alive from the first death Hos 13. 14. 1 Cor. 15. 22. they that have done good shall come forth unto the Resurrection of life and they that have done evil unto the resurrection of Damnation for even death and hell shall deliver up the dead that are in them and they shall be judged every one according to his works as before is shewed This is that which the scope of this question is to deny and so consequently that Christ is risen from the dead for if the dead rise not then is not Christ risen and so in the denyal of this the Apostles whole Preaching is rendred vain and faith in Christ as Preached by them vain also yea they are therein proclamed false witnesses of God because they have testified of him that he raised up Christ whom he raised not up if so be the dead rise not 1 Cor. 15. 12. 15. 2. In their pursuit of this end they make lies and mistakes their desence that which they first suppose and take for granted as that in which their chief strength lies is neither granted by us nor so expressed in the Scripture but according to the import of it in their query very erroneous viz. that judgement is come upon the wicked after death now that by is come they mean is now already come as soon as they are dead and that by Judgement they mean the whole of the judgement is clear by their bringing it to disprove and deride a coming forth again to any other or further judgement and so it s very false for though judgement may come upon them in this life and their death is a terrible Judgement it proves so accidentally to them through their misimprovement of their time because it cuts them off from further space of repentance they being from thence sealed up and reserved as Prisoners in the Pit to the judgement of the great day of Christ yet neither is the one or the other that great and Eternal judgement unto which all the ungodly that continue such till death are reserved to be punished nor doth that seize on them till that day of judgement whence it is alwayes truly called the wrath to come and not that is already come upon any and so much is plain in that Heb. 9. 27. with vers 28. to which they would seem to allude especially if compared with other Scriptures see the text as it is appointed to men once to die he speaks of men indefinitely and so of the whole kind for all shall once dye though some shall not sleep in death but suffere a sudden change in which both death and resurrection shall be accomplished upon them in a moment But after this the judgement he saith not that then or as these that after this the judgement is come as if it were already come upon such of them as are dead or should come upon any that die before the rest at least of their
generation or sort of men have finished their course as well as they But after this the Judgement even after this appointment of the whole kind once to die is fulfilled on all generations then will be the general final and Eternal judgement And though those that now sleep in Jesus and have suffered with him shall have their judgement come upon them their Kingdom glory given them to possess first before the rest of the dead yet that will not be till the time and state of the Resurrection of the just that have suffered with him for they shall first rise from the dead neither will that be till the beginning of that great day of Christ when the dayes of sufferings and trouble to that generation will be ended So that the judgement that properly so called as distinguished from other Judgements in this life that are temporal and reversible even the Eternal judgement that is after death it is in the time and state of the Resurrection for there shall be a General Resurrection of both the just and unjust in which they shall come forth to their judgement and that shall be to both at the hour or day of Christ even at his appearing and his Kingdom Acts 24. 15. John 5. 28 29. 2 Tim. 4. 1. and so much also appears in that which follows Heb. 9. 28. where after he hath said as it is appointed to men once to die but after this the judgement he adds as a remedy against the evil that otherwise might be unto men in that death or that judgement following so Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin to salvation now as his first appearing to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself answers to the first death and misery and was effectual that by Christ we should be saved from perishing in it and that through him we might be saved so his second appearing without sin to Salvation answers to the judgement after death and is such as by it all those that now through his grace bringing salvation to all men in due time do look for him shall be saved from wrath through him even from the wrath to come when it shall come forth in that judgement so as they shall stand in the judgement even before the Son of man when he appears and the second death shall have no power on them yea they shall then be saved to the utmost by that his appearing yea he shall then appear to their salvation in that judgement which implies his appearing the second time to be first and the judgement after death following upon it at that his appearing and his Kingdome to come upon men in the time and state of the resurrection as before is shewed compare with the forementioned Scriptures Heb. 6. 2. Rev. 20. 12 13. Again their folly is manifest in taking up a sence of the Word Hell from some common contradions without examination as if in every place it signified that place and state of torment in which the wicked are to be punished for ever after the passing of the Eternal judgement upon them whereas they might have known the word Hell is used in Scripture generally for that which is deep and low obscure and dark And so 1. Sometime for the Grave or disappearing state of death whence t is often translated grave from which and from the power of it there is a redemption and deliverance though no man can redeem himself c. Psal 49. 8 9. 15. and 89. 48. Job 17. 13. 16. with Hos 13. 14. 2. Sometime for any such distress or misery as threatens death and as in which a man is in darknesse that he can see no way out or how deliverance should come out of which yet there may be deliverance though he see not how as Jonahs being in the Whales belly Jonah 2. 2 3. c. see also Psalm 86. 13. 88. 6. and 116. 3 4 c. 3. Sometime for that place and state of darkness and separation from God into which the Spirits of ungodly sinners that dy in their sins are cast and shut up from the time of their departing out of the body unto the judgement of the great day for when the body returns to its dust then the spirit returns to God who gave it Ecles 3. 21. and 12. 7. by him to be appointed to its proper place by whom the Spirits of Believers such as die in the Lord are received into Paradise a place and state of pleasure and rest in heaven under the altar on which the perfect Sacrifice was offered sometimes called Abrahams bosom t is such as in which they are from the time of their departure out of the flesh or body with the Lord made perfect so much as the Spirit without the body is capable yet still waiting for the redemption of the Body and Glorious Kingdom promised And so likewise by him the Spirits of the disobedient that persisted in the refusal of him till their sin was finished are when they depart out of the body at the death of the body driven away shut cut from his presence shut up as prisoners in some place and state of darknesse where they are reserved to the judgement of the great day Prov. 14. 32. Isa 24. 22. 1 Pet. 3. 19 20. And this is called hell Psal 9. 17. Luke 16. 23. Rev. 20. 13. that hell that follows or goes along with the first death Rev. 6. 8. That might have been an everlasting Prison to the Souls or Spirits of all mankind had not Christ abolished death by his appearing and obtained a release of all Mankind unto him and the Keys of Hell and Death into his hand But now by him that Hell going with or pertaining to the first death as in this last sence is onely appointed for a prison for all the ungodly in which they shall be reserved as in chains of darknesse to the judgement of the great day where also they are fil'd with unspeakable horror and torment in their spirit in the remembrance and sence of what they have lost and for what lying vanities and what they must shortly and for ever suffer in soul and body together reunited And out of this Hell there shall be such a deliverance as may be resembled by the deliverance of Prisoners to judgement so Rev. 20. 13. John 8. 28 29. in which yet they are not delivered out of darknesse but still in a state of separation from God and the Light of his countenance brought forth to receive their bodies that slept in dust and in them to receive their final conviction and judgement Again 4. Sometime and but seldome the word Hell singly but Hell fire is used for that wrath to come the lake of fire prepared for the Devil and his angels which is to man the second death into which they are not cast while the body is held in the grave and
Thes 4. 14. 16. Phil. 2. 20 21. Untill he comes there is much Hypocrisie and hidden things of dishonesty covered over with good words fair speeches and formes of Godlinesse but when he comes he will bring to light the hidden things of darknesse and make manifest the counsels of the hearts so as there is nothing covered that shall not then be revealed Mat. 10. 26. 1 Cor. 4. 5. until he come The Earth and Aire is corrupt and the Creatures subject to Bondage but when he comes he shall restore all things Rom. 8. 19. 22. with Acts 3. 19. 21. Until he come his Saints on Earth are under reproach and persecution 2 Tim. 3. 12. But at his coming he shall give them full restand deliverance that they shall so suffer no more 2 Thes 1. 7. By all which it appeares that the second coming of the Lord and the end of this World contemporize and so till both the Ordinances are to be kept as delivered by the Apostles 20. Que. And whether doth the receiving Bread and Wine alone without on outward passeover really figure forth the death of Christ Answ Having been large to the former Question it shall suffice in answer to this to give some briefe notice of their folly Antichristianisme and prophane scoffing at Christs appointments here more fully manifest and so we say 1. It is not the receiving of Bread and Wine alone that is the supper of the Lord or his Ordinance appointed for the Church to shew forth his death in nor is it that about which they query however their light failed them in propounding their question For 1. That may be by them that do not then eat and drink them 2. That may be done also in eating and drinking by such as these that do what they can privily to hide and deny the Lords death the ends vertue and pretiousnesse of it as also by such as do it to gluttony and drunkenesse and by others more sober who yet do it profanely without belief or acknowledgement of their Redeemer as by his death he hath procured these mercies for them and through it extends them In all which receivings of Bread and Wine there is no commemoration of the Lords death or shewing it forth by them yea 3. It may be by unfeigned believers for the preservation of their natural life and cheering and strengthening the outward man as 1 Tim. 5. 23. And this with belief and acknowledgement of the Redemption wrought and obtained by the blood of Christ and of these Mercies as procured and Sanctified for their 〈◊〉 thereby for which they give him thanks And as through Christ every Creature of God is good and Mercy and Blessing in them for and unto men the use of them lawful and good in it self so are they also in a peculiar sence clean to them 1 Tim. 4. 3 4. Tit. 1. 14 15. And in such use of them as aforesaid they do remember and in a sort may shew forth the Lords death as before is hinted yet neither is this that solemn and profest celebrating the memorial of and shewing forth the Lords death which is appointed to be done in the use of the Lords Supper or that his Ordinance to be observed in the Church to that purpose nor would an outward passeover joyned with any such receivings as forementioned make it so But to eat the Lords Supper and to do it worthily or as is meet according to his appointment is for a man upon hearing and in minding the instructions of the Gospel concerning the Lords Body that was broken for us examining and judging himself as therein discovered and reproved so to eat of that Bread and drink of that cup in remembrance and acknowledgement of the Lords death and in the Assemblies of believers when met together in his Name to that purpose and so celebrating that memorial according to his Ordinance and institution as is before shewed see 1 Cor 11. 20. to the end Chap. 10. 16 17. compared with Acts 2. 42. and 20. 7. with the instructions about it as mentioned by the Evangelists See the instructions to it also from the consideration of Israel after the flesh in their observance of the Ordinance of the passeover unto which this of the Supper hath much answerablenesse as in other of their typical Ordinanes 1 Cor. 10 18. But 2. They also shew their Antichristian denial of Christs being already come in the flesh and having finished the works given him to do on the Earth in that his first appearing to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself in their intimation that the Lords death cannot be shewed forth in that Ordinance of the Supper appointed by him to that purpose without an outward passeover For in the Ordinance of the passeover which was outward there was blood shed and sprinckled and the Lamb roasted and eaten and so there was not onely a commemoration of that passing over them by the destroying Angel and their deliverance out of Egypt but also a Type of Christ the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the World who then was to come and to be slain and sacrificed for us And so his blood his virtuous sufferings and death to be presented to God in his ascending in that spotlesse body to appear in the presence of God for us that in his Name it might be Spiritually sprinkled on us in the Preaching of the Crosse and so he fed upon by Faith as come in the flesh But this Grace was not yet so brought forth and manifested the works of the first appearing of Christ not finished the offering of his body once for all not actually perfected and while they were not so the first Tabernacle and Typical Ordinances of Divine service had their standing and usefulness as Types and shadowes of good things to come in which was not a lively Image of them But now he who is the Body and Truth of all even the fountaine of Grace and Truth being come in the flesh and having been slain and offered up himself in Sacrifice for us and by his blood even by means of his death and with the virtue of it entered into Heaven it self and there appearing in the presence of God for us from thence to quicken cleanse and feed us with his own blood as aforesaid All such like bloody and Typical Sacrifices and observances are taken away that he may confirm the truth of all fulnesse and compleatnesse now found in him and establish his appointments who and not Moses is the Apostle and High Priest of our profession yea there being herein a change of the Priesthood there must also be of necessity a change of the Law Heb. 7. and 9. Therefore we are instructed to keep the feast with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth and to celebrate the memorial of the Lords death in such manner and in such an Ordinance as aforesaid without any outward passeover because Christ our passeover is not now slaying or
sacrificing or to be slain c. But is already sacrificed for us 1 Cor. 5. 7. With the Scriptures forecited nor could any such outward passeovers shew forth the Lords death as past to be remembred But the observance of it would be a denial of his death as actually sustained past and finished and a signification of it as yet to come therefore although it was very proper for our Saviour to observe and eat it with his Disciples at that time before he suffered Luke 22. 15. Yet he left no such commandment with them that they should any more observe it ye he fully signifies to them that they should no more observe it or have any occasion for it but that the very thing shadowed and Typically held forth in it as to come should now be accomplished and fulfilled in his personal body through sufferings and should be given them to remember and feed upon as so compleated in him whence after the eating of the passeover with them he took Bread and blessed and break and gave to them c. Likewise also the cup after Supper saying c. And having so done and instructed them in the end and use of it He then speaking of that distinctly and not of the passeover appointed them to do this in remembrance of him and so also the Apostle gives us to understand that it was of that and not the former Ordinance but of that observed and instituted after Supper of which he said do this 1 Cor. 11. 23 24. Yea his instituting that imediately after his eating the passeover with them and then appointing them to do that is as much as if he had said Christ your passeover is now presently to be slain and sacrificed for you and therefore you shall have no more use or occasion for this observance the thing typified and shadowed by it being come But instead thereof do you this and teach others this observance in remembrance of what is done at this time for you for now is Christ your Passeover sacrificed my body given and broken my Bloodshed my Life powered out for you Do ye this not that any more but this in remembrance of me 3. But what means this expression in their Query doth it really figure forth As not liking the expressions of the Holy Ghost that tell us we therein shew forth the Lords death they call it a figuring forth his death Now this we find in Scripture that patterns shaddows and resemblances of good things to come were said to be figures of the true and Heavenly things themselves resembled typified or shadowed by them for the time present they were figures while standing of such use which was until the first appearing of Christ to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself was finished So the first man Adam was a figure of him to come Rom. 5. 14. The Ark prepared by Noah and their being saved in it by water A figure answerable unto which Baptisme that of the Spirit now saveth by the Resurrection of Christ 1 Pet. 3. 20 21. And so also the first Tabernacle and holy places made with hands and Ordinances of Divine service appointed therein while standing were figures of the true and Heavenly things themselves that were to come in and by the first appearing of Christ Heb. 9. 1. 9. 11. 23 24. and 10. 1 c. And so the Ordinance of the passeover though that was a commemoration of something over and past as to the actual accomplishment of it yet also as we noted before it was a typical pattern and so a figure of things to come as in the blood-shed and sprinkled and Lamb roasted and eaten Yea even the thing commemorated in that Ordinance as over and past was but a pattern and figure of Christ our Passeover through whose being slain for us Death is abolished destruction kept off the Grace of God bringing Salvation But now since Jesus Christ in whom the whole body of truth is answering to all the former patterns and figures of the Heavenly things the shadows of good things to come Since that he is come in the flesh and hath offered up the perfect sacrifice of his own body once for all and so hath opened the way into the holiest being in that his spotlesse body entered into Heaven it self We find nothing of his appointments or in his Ministry that he hath left standing for us to be exercised in till his coming again that is called a figure or Figures the body being come figures and shadows are fled away they are done away in Christ in respect of such use of them as they were appointed to under the Law And now all his Ordinances shew him forth as already come in the flesh and being made perfect through sufferings and so direct alwayes to him wholly in and by all things in what he hath done and is become as the fountain of all Grace and Truth for instruction and strength in the way and to wait for his coming again But these men putting no difference but rendering the Supper of the Lord as well as the passeover a figure such as never stood or was of any use without it do at least imply that they make no more account of the Ordinances of Christ in his Ministration now then they do of the Types and Figures that were under the Law that are now done away in Christ in whom their truth and end is found If not also that the thing commemorated and shewed forth in that Ordinance of the Supper as already past viz. The Lords death once suffered in that one body is now of no more or other kind of Excellency or use for us and to us than the things commemorated in the outward passeover or not otherwise then as a pattern and figure of some Heavenly or Spiritual thing yet to come or that is acted or to be acted in men in their several ages and times Yea that such are their corrupt immaginations appeares in their former questions in which they signifie that that Blood Sufferings and Death of Christ that is over and past as to the actual accomplishment and sustaining thereof was so finished in that body is not the Bread of Life or the Drink indeed and the purger of the Conscience But something else figured by that which is now in a present and sensible being nigh to men and in them yea all along they shew as may bee seen in what we have noted that the witnesses and declarations of the Power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ both of his first and second personal appearing as delivered by the Apostles are of no more esteem with them than cunningly devised fables that must have some Mystery or meaning in which the truth must be found other then what is held forth in the plain import of the words or at least that they account them as Allegories of some other and further things which they call Christ and the things of Christ after the Spirit while
not in it as Thomas Moor affirmed Ans They wrest Thomas Moors words as is shewed in the reply to them pa. 3 and 4. therefore we shall say the lesse to it here What he said was by way of return to their saying that the life is in the blood as applying it to Christ in answer to which he spake to this purpose That those sayings Gen. 9. 4. Levit. 17. 11. 14 are spoken of other mortal Creatures distinct from mortal man and though it may be truly affirmed of mortal man also as to the natural life of the Body Yet it neither is nor can be truly affirmed of him whom God hath raised from the dead that his life which he now liveth by the power of God by which he was raised from the dead is in or by the supply of material blood as the natural life of the natural and mortal body is for in him being raised from the dead all mortality is put off But that the life he now liveth by the Father and in the Power of God for us is by means and in the virtue of his blood or death in the flesh once suffered for our sins by which he hath obtained eternal redemption and life into himself for us and is the Mediator between God and men the Apostle and High Priest of our Profession And that the life he giveth to the World is by virtue of that his Blood And the life he giveth to them that feed on him by faith is not onely by virtue of it but in the Spiritual discoveries of it and love commended through it in the Preaching of his Cross as before shewed this he also then and still affirmeth as also is shewed in our former Answers Quest 15. How many comings of Christ do you own seeing you have his second coming without sin to salvation yet to look for Ans Hitherto they have played the part of the false Christs foretold by our Saviour Mat. 24. 24. privily denying the Lord that bought them as 2 Pet. 2. 1. in the excellency of his personal Body and the works finished by him in that his own Body on the earth and in his infinite fulnesse and glory by means of death possessed by him for us in that body raised from the dead that so they might make way for their lifting up something else in the name anâ— place thereof as Mat. 24. 5. And now they proceed more plainly to act the part also of the false Prophets there also foretold vers 11. 23. 26. scoffing at â—he promise of his second coming his glorious personal appearing as it is owned and acknowledged by all that believe through and according to the Apostles Doctrine as that which is yet to be looked and waited for all the time of this present World 2 Pet. 3. 3 4. 10. 12. with Tit. 2. 12 13. plainly implying they have it not yet to look for and so intimately saying Lo here or lo there in this or that present operation or sensual imagination Christs appearing the second time without sin to salvation and so consequently the resurrection is already made and past to them as Mat. 24. 23. 26. with 2 Tim. 2. 18. Nor is this any more then is expresly affirmed by them in their pretended answer to J. H. and T. M. Junior called A brief discovery of the dangerous Principles of J. H. and T. M. c. where page 9. They say That the Saints which then were alive remained unto that coming of Christ spoken of 1 Thes 4. 15. and Phil. 3. 20. 21. The groundlesnesse falsenesse and wickednesse of which is shewen in the reply to it see the fuller discovery of the Dangerous Principles and lying spirit of the people called Quakers page to which we refer the Reader And here also that we may further shew by the Scriptures the Truth of God reproached by them and manifest the folly and wickednesse of their spirit we further answer to this question 1. There are comings of Christ in a divers sence mentioned in the Scripture for there are comings of Christ in respect of which it is said he came unto his own even to Israel after the flesh to gather them c. often from the beginning of their being a people John 1. 11. Mat. 23. 37. yea he was in the World and went by his Spirit in the ministration of Noah to the Spirits of men then John 1. 5. 10. 1 Pet. 3. 19 20 And there are comings of Christ in such a sence spoken of in Scripture as in respect of which it is said he appeared and came into the World not often but once in the end of the World personally to Minister and to give his life a ransome for many and so to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself Matthew 20. 28. 1 Pet. 3. 18. with Heber 9. 26. There are providential comings of Christ to men both more particularly and more generally and that both in more then ordinary demonstrations of his power and goodnesse in special mercies and blessings as John â— 11. and in like manifestations of his severity in some great and signal corrections or judgements as Rev. 2. 5. and 3. 3. There are also spiritual comings and manifestations of himself to men severally in their several times to the opening and enlightening the blind minds and moving sinners to repentance Isa 50. 2 with c. 42. 1. 7 and 55. 1. 6. 1 Tim. 2. 6. and to the quickening refreshing and satisfying the souls of such as hear and receive his sayings with the further discoveries openings tastes and operations of his goodnesse such as John 14. 16. 18. 21. 23. Rev. 3. 20. and of his comings in both these sences there are more then can be numbred nor of these read we of first or second so called but then there are also personal and bodily appearances and comings of Christ into the World or his coming into the world and appearing on the earth in a real body prepared for him spoken of in the Scripture and called the comings and dayes of the Son of man of Christ of the Seed of David after the flesh and of these a first and a second The first was when that Body of his flesh was prepared for him in the womb of a Virgin when the fulnesse of time was come God sent forth his Son made of a woman c. wherefore when he cometh into the world he saith A body hast thou prepared me Lo I come c. Gal. 4. 4. Heb. 10. 5. 10. And so he once in the end of the World and not often from the foundation of the World appeared to put away sin by the Sacrifice of himself even by and through the offering up his body once for all which was therefore prepared for him that he might therein be capable of doing and do the Will of the Father for the Redemption and sanctification of sinful men even that he might in that body finish the Works the Father gave him to do on