The He-Goats Horn Broken OR INNOCENCY Elevated Against Insolency Impudent FALSHOOD In Answer to two Books against the People of God called Quakers The one intituled A FULLER DISCOVERY which is stuffed with such a multitude of Lyes Slanders and perverting the Truth as the Like hath not been extant The Authors of which are John Horn Thomas Moore Senior and Thomas Moore Junior And the other Book is falsely called TRUTH' 's TRIUMPH by JOHN HORN Which are Answered for the Information of the People and the clearing of the servants of God and the way of Truth to the simple hearted from the Lyes Delusions and Fallacies that have proceeded from the Spirit of Antichrist and Blasphemy in these â—â—n aforesaid who Profess themselves Ministers of Christ but are proved Ministers of Satan and Unrighteousness By a witness of Christ and his work against all the Works of Darkness G. W. In vain have the Wicked exalted their Horn against the Righteous LONDON Printed for Robert Wilson at the Sign of the Blackhead Eagle and Windmill in Martins near Aldersgate 1660. A PREFACE OH how great hath the wrath of the Dragon that old Serpent who is the Father of Lyes been against the Seed which God hath Raised up and Indued with his Power from on High and yet this Seed hath Dominion over all the strength and wrath of the wicked One to lift up a Standard against him even when he Appears and breaks forth as a flood against the Lord and his Anointed against whom no Iniquity nor Enmity can prevail or Prosper and this hath the Lord God of Hosts made us Witnesses of to his Eternal Praise that it is no marvell to us that the Generation of Vipers and Serpents who are Warring for the Kingdom of Darkness do put forth their stings and cast out their Vennome against us since that in the Power of God we are brought to tread upon them and their deceits and if the Readers hereof have a single eye to the Lord in his Light in them they 'l see what a Body of Wickedness and Enmity hath Appeared in these our Opposers viz. in John Horn Thomas Moore the Elder and the Younger who have pleaded and much Contended for Sin which is the Devils Work and for their wearing Cuffs and Ribbonds and for Tythes which the Ministers of the New Testament pleaded not for nor ever owned such Vanities as Cuffs and Ribbonds c. So that all sober minded People who Love the Light of the Lord in them and his Truth may soon see what Spirit these are of that plead for and uphold such deceits as these men aforesaid have done And let the witness of God in all Consciences be minded by which the Spirits may be tryed and discovered whether they be of God or no and this Light of Christ in your Consciences being minded and you who have a desire to know the Lord waiting in the Light it will bring your minds into stability to feel Gods Power and Teachings where the Confusion cannot prevail over you for your Confusion and Darkness is among the Teachers and People who are as the Waters that are unstable where the Whorish Spirit Rules And wo is to such who are the Inhabitants of the Earth and of the Sea unto whom the Devil is come down and hath great wrath because he knoweth that he hath but a short time Rev. 12. 12. A BRIEF ANSVVER To the Book Called A Fuller Discovery c. EVil men and Seducers wax worse and worse deceiving and being deceived and the wise Men are turned backward and the Diviners made Mad 2 Tim. 3. 13. Isai. 44. 25. who have striven to overthrow the Truth as these men viz. John Horn Thomas Moore Senior and his Son Thomas Moore have done that their Impudency folly and Falshood more Appears than ever who have evidently shewed themselves to be such as walk with Slanders and have made Lyes their Refuge who are such as the Prophet called Brasse and Iron who are all corrupters Jer. 6. 28. which I shall here briefly shew both for the clearing of the Truth and us the Witnesses of it and for the satisfying of the Simple that they may not be Corrupted with the Lyes and Corrupt Doctrines of these the Truth's Enemies who whilest they Profess Liberty and Redemption to others and pretend a denyall of the Priests of the Nation they themselves are Children of Corruption in Bondage to the Devil that old Lyar his works which many both Priests and Professors have largely Appeared in against Gods Truth and work in his People For notwithstanding this J. Horn and Thomas Moore have acknowledged themselves to be neglecters of Christ and abusers of his Truth yet still they proceed in the same Iniquity and notwithstanding John Horn in page 55. of this their Fuller Discovery so Called where he had laid down a Falshood in his other Book now Confesseth himself subject to forgetfulness And over sights and so did in his forgetfulness write c. and in Page 66. they acknowledge that they have their share too much in the Pollutions viz. of the Nation in General and in Pag. 63. whereas John Horn had palpably belyed me about a Passage he had Learned out of a Priests Queries in Cambridge he now Confesseth himself Faulty and craves forgiveness he having been too rash in taking that upon trust which he Falsely charged me with as they acknowledge and yet how often have these Men accounted us Called Quakers false Prophets Deceivers Lyars Accursed as also they have accounted us Vipers and Scorpions Cockatrices not to be Charmed and like the Locusts out of the Bottomless pit whose sting is in their Tayles which Revilings the Reader may Judge what Spirit they came from since they have craved forgiveness of us for belying us * and yet how often have they denyed that they have belyed us in their Books may be seen but what Hypocrites are they to Profess themselves Christs Ministers and be found in Lying as they are and what is their Confession worth when they continue in their evil as an Addition to their many former Lyes Forgeries and their former Rashness and abuses against the Truth they have falsely charged us with and laid down these things following against us called Quakers which we deny and return back upon Jóhn Horn and both the Tho Moores aforesaid who are the Inventers of these Lyes Slanders and Absurdities which were never owned by us Their Lies and Slanders in their Epistle are these viz. 1. They charge us with Maintaining that that body of flesh in which Christ suffered and bare our sins and which rose again is not a Body 2. That the Blood of Jesus Christ is not of the Foundation of our Faith and that our Faith is not Faith in Christs Blood 3. That the Body of his Flesh in which he Suffered we deny to remain 4. That the lower parts of the Earth into which Christ descended and the Heavens into which he
3. That Envy is not Malice Page 18. 4. That a man may be a Sinner and yet not Sin Pag. 11. 5. That Sin is in the believer as a natural heritage from Adam while he is in this mortal Body Pag 2. 8. 6. That the same mortal Body that Dyes or is sown in the Earth shall Rise but it shall not Rise flesh and blood Pages 44. 46. 7. To know Christ as he was the Power of God before the World was is not the Knowledge of him to Salvation Pag 48. 8. That the Light wherewith Christ Lighteth every man is both natural and Spiritual Pag. 61. 9. That Adam should not have dyed the bodily Death had he not Sinned Pag. 23. 10. That when Paul saith Christ was seen of him last 1 Cor. 15 8. he must needs mean is of his Body seen and seen by bodily sight Pag. 55. which is contrary to Gal. 1. 16. And now I shall note some things in their Answers to our Queries and briefly Reply to them by way of discovery J. H. and T. M. Sen. Juni in Pag. 77. They go about to prove that Satan presseth men to some duties thus viz. That Satans Ministers may be transformed into the Ministers of Righteousness which they could not be if not zealous for some things that are in their place and order in Duties as to be diligent to go up and down and Preach Righteous works together with their own mixtures and to evil unrighteous ends Reply How miserably come you off here for these are not Duties that are done to unrighteous ends for Duties are done in Righteousness and to Righteous ends and this Satan presseth none to your selves are these transformed ones you tell of who are zealous for some things for Tythes or Hire or Masterships and these are your evil and unrighteous ends which are manifest to all men and are not yet come so far as they that are drawn from gross evils and though Satan for your own ends press these things as Duties yet are they not Duties in the sight of God and Gospel Truth Touching our 1. Que. You say p. 8. Whether we so propounded it out of weakness or wickedness you will not determine And yet soon after in your Answer to the same Que. you charge us with confounding things clearly distinct and seeking by such confusion to work our ends in deceiving the simple which is your own false determination against us when before you determined not whether we so propounded it out of weakness or wickedness thus you betray your selves in your confusion and at the Beginning of your Answer you falsely say these Questions give a full Intimation of our Antichristian Spirit which is your slander and perverting them In your 2. Answer you say our Que. is perverse in that it Intimately charges you as calling the Personal Body of our Lord Jesus a Body of flesh and bones which you say is a slander for it is not your expression and yet you say though possibly you may sometimes have let it pass without consideration or particular notice of it in some discourse that may have passed between us Reply Mark how these men are ashamed of their own words and count that a Slander which they cannot deny but that they may sometimes have spoken as called the Body of Christ a Body of flesh and bones and yet now they say the expression they own not when it is evidently known that they have used that expression and gone about to prove it to be such a Body without blood in it but now seeing that they shame not to deny their own expression I ask them if the glorified Body of Christ be not a body of flesh and bones as formerly they have Affirmed it to be what is it a body of and what is the Substance of it Again you say in your 3. Answer That be even the Son of man came down from Heaven and descended into the Lower parts of the Earth although that his Personal Body in which he was made man and became the Son of man was actually prepared for him or the preparation of it was made in the Earth you say Reply Mark your confusion here which is as if the Son of man which came down from Heaven again became the Son of man in that Personal Body which was prepared for him in the Earth which is confusion for he was the Son of man as he came down from Heaven and so that Body prepared for him in the Earth Descended not down from Heaven as the Son of Man did according to your own words And where you bring Ps. 139. 15. that proves not how the Son of man Descended into the Lower parts of the Earth for there it s spoken of the Lowest parts of the Earth wherein the Prophet saith he was curiously wrought now this is besides the Que. for it was about him which Descended into the Lower parts of the Earth and not about that which was framed in the Lowest parts of the Earth which David speaks of Psal. 139. 15. and as for your telling of the Son of man being three dayes and three nights in the heart of the Earth pag. 92. I say the Sepulchre in which his Body was Buryed could not be the Lower parts of the Earth for it was but one part of it it being in a Rock Mat. 27. 60. and where in Pag. 91. you say men of the lowest Ranke poor despised and of mean esteem may be as properly called the Lower parts of the Earth and you bring Rom. 12. 16. then I say if such men be the Lower parts into which Christ Descended It follows that his Discending into the Lower parts of the Earth was his Descending into men of the lowest Rank poor despised and of mean esteem such as you are not who are set up as Masters it seems you running into so many things to prove what the Lower parts of the Earth are which Christ Descended into you thought if some of them would not serve others would but where the Earth is not yet shaken nor the Power which must shake and Remove it known the Lower parts of the Earth is covered with thick darkness that they are not discerned nor the Seed which Rents the Earth known and that is your state and to you a Parable who are out of the Power of Godliness over whom the Earth and earthly things hath Power J. H. and T. M. Say Pag. 93 and 106. That the Name Jesus alwayes signifies that Person as so made and includes the Body of his Flesh and that the Name Jesus alwayes signifies Christ as come in the Flesh and so takes in that Body of his Flesh Reply If the Name Jesus alwayes Includes the Body of his Flesh then from this it followes that the Body of Christs flesh was in the Believers for Jesus Christ was in them 2 Cor. 13. 5. thus these men confound themselves and they have said that it is the Annointing that is in
Answer to my Queries thou seemest â—o be Resolved to say something although it be absolute contrary to the Truth and to that which thou knowest to be Truth as will appear in what followes In Answer to my first thou sayst Christ in his Spirit Ascended up to Heaven when his Body was upon Earth is this an Answer to the Question is the minde or Spirit called the Son of man according to John 3. 13. which came down from Heaven and no man doth Ascend up to Heaven but the Son of man which was then in Heaven so by this thy Answer it appears then that the Spirit is the Son of man and that there is no other Son of man that Ascends into Heaven but the Spirit then what becomes of that Body thou speaks of if the Spirit onely be that Son of man In thy Answer to the 2. and 3d. Queries thou provest In thy way that Mary did that which was forbidden by Christ when she held him by the Feet and worshipped him but in Mat. 28. 9. there is no forbiding of her to touch him but this is plainly manifest that thou art in a snare and cannot tell how to get out and yet thou wilt be saying something though thereby thou more ensnare thy self but this Scripture thou wilt once know fulfilled the wicked shall be silent in darkness When thou shouldst Answer to the Fourth thou telst of its being a secret and of prying into things above what is written although the ground of my Query is grounded upon that which is written in Luke 24. 4. To the Fifth thou saist that the Women did distinguish which was Christ was certain but how they did so is a foolish curious Question what certainty is there that they did know when thou knowest not how but this is like the rest of the Priests Doctrine beating the Ayre and leaving all People in uncertainties and yet would be paid for so doing but the Lord hath made thee manifest with the rest that you cannot deceive much longer To the Sixth thou sayest the two Angels were seen visibly but were not bodies nor Persons of men but in thy Answer to the Fourth sayst that they both saw them as men and heard them speak and had two Individual Forms Now if thou were but simple and not wilfully blind thou mightst be the more excused In thy Answer to the Seventh thou art more lost and confused then in all the rest for when thou shouldst Answer who were the 11. Disciples that were met together mentioned Luke 24. 33. Thou saist that Thomas might occasionally be gone out Answ. If he was gone out then the 11. was not together as Luke 24. Again thou sayst that Matthew was chosen before the Evangelist wrote this Book what Darkness and Ignorance is this thou art not Questioned when the Book was written nor when Matthew was chosen but who was the Eleven that was together and whether was Matthew one of the Eleven seeing he was not then chosen when Christ did arise from the dead but there needs not much be said to thee onely to let thee see thy own folly least thou should say thou art wise To the Eight thou seemst to Affirm that the Scripture are to be taken as they speak and not otherwise a Mystery Answ. Then why dost thou and the Priests give meanings to the Scriptures and do not let People take them as they speak but makes them such a Mystery without your meanings and so plain with them but this is thy Practice and Doctrine to condemn thy self in the thing that thou allowest and builds again that which thou hast destroyed and so makes thy self a Transgressor Lastly in thy conclusion thou falsely chargest me that I do not believe that any of these things mentioned in these Scriptures to be really done which is not my Faith for I do believe that those things mentioned were really done and fulfilled as the Scripture speaks but it is no new thing with thee to accuse falsely and to make Lyes thy refuge but what in all those things thou hast done against me I do forgive thee and do warn thee for the time to come that thou go not on to commit the unpardonable Sin against God and his Spirit never to be forgiven Again in thy last Paper thou declarest thy Ignorance of the two Seeds and askest what be those two Seeds Answ. These two the Scripture speaks of the Seed of the Woman and the Seed of the Serpent 2. Who did or doth sow them Seeds Answ. God doth sow the one and the wicked one the oher 3. Where be they sown Answ. In man 4. When be they sown Answ. When man had a being and a body to receive them 5. What be the bodies they shall rise with Answ. Their own bodies according to their own natures the one pure and the other defiled 6. Whether be these two Seeds and two bodies in all the world or two Seeds in every man and the two bodies to or in every man Answ. The Seeds are but two in the whole world having each Seed its own body and in every o 〈…〉 e one be cast out 7. When shall those Seeds arise or be raised whether after the bodily death or after spiritual death Answ. Every one in Its own order after the death of that which is born of the Flesh and also after the death of the spirituall wickedness which is yet alive in all hirelings and Deceivers such as thou art where the Seed of God is yet in its grave 8. What are the graves these are in and out of which they shall arise These of which the Scripture speaks which when thou comest to understand it thou wilt understand both the Seeds and graves of which we speak Christ the Seed made his grave in the wicked and in the rich in his death and out of that grave shall rise with his Body into everlasting Life if thou canst receive it thou maist be satisfied And as to thy 9. Query Why I say that the one shall rise into everlasting Life and the other into Condemnation Answ. Because it is so therefore I say so and if thou say to the contrary make it manifest but in this as in other things thy folly and Ignorance is manifest to ask why I speak the Truth which thou thy self darest not to be Truth R. HUBBERTHORNE A POST-SCRIPT AND T. M. Sen. Thou hast taken a bad work in hand now in thy old age to joyn thy self and to appear so publickly with a lying Spirit as thou hast done But how wast thou liks to do better when thou hast denyed the Lord in thy turning into the way of the coveteous Tyth-taking-Parish-Priests whose deceit thou formerly hadst a sight of and in part wast made to witnes against them but that zeal and that simplicity which thou hadst then is turned into darkness and betrayed and thou become as sottish and as dark an Earth-worme as the Priests whom thou hast witnessed against And thou art become a respecter of persons and canst bow and cring under such as be great in the Earth as they do for their own ends and thou art by many taken notice of to be more sottish dead and dark since so much thou hast partaken of the Priests iniquity then ever thou wast and the same enemy and betrayer in thee and thy two Disciples viz. J. H. and thy Son leads you out to deceive others with your dreams and imaginations and to betray the simplicity and to murder the innocent in others for which you have a sad account to give and if thou returnest not to that principle which once brought thee in part to see the deceit of the Priests but continuest in thy deceit hypocrisie and accusing the innocent and so remainest in sottishness and hardness of heart thou will be cut off perish in thy iniquity in thy old age Alas What silly men are ye You are never like to gain to your selves any honour and credit among any that are honest hearted by your Books and aspersions against the poor Quakers so called for it is so common a thing for them to undergo revilings and aspersions even from the vilest of men as Drunkards Covetous Idolaters and the like that in what you have done you have not shewn your selves any whit more eminent or famous than such but have meerly rancked your selves in the Dragons Army with them in belying and slandering the iunocent THE END * Though we own that which brings them to Confesse their Lying and Faults and can forgive but we cannot own their Dissembling and feiguedness in it * which is as much as to say not Christ in them but Christ in men and that his riches is not the possession what folly is this * That which is humane is earthly as humanus homo are of hhmus the ground from whence man was taken so that a humane Soul is an earthly Soul what then hath Christ both an earthly Soul and a divine Soul in him J. H. T. M. I. H. T. M. J. H. T. M. J. H. T. M. T. M. J. H. P. 104. J. H. T. M. * But what is the beloved City and the Camp of the Saints which Gogg and Magogg do compass about when the 1000. Years are ended Revel. 20. 8 9. whether is it an outward City or not And where shall it be and whether any be yet come to that beloved City * This is another such a reason as I Horns saying that he is not a dumb dog for he could worry me c. J. H.
for our words are these that you look for a Christ like your selves but that he hath no blood in his Body as you imagine whom we desire not the knowledge of for such a Christ they look for as they cannot prove the true Christ to be in their Affirming him to have a Bod of Flesh and bones in the Heavens without blood in it as many have heard them Publikely Affirm which now they would deceitfully deny that they so Affirmed and say p. 26. that they determined not that his Body is a Body of Flesh and bones in Heaven without blood and so they have Preached and published that which they determined not but were doubtful of what deceit and confusion is here And how do they leave men in uncertainties J. H. and T. M. p. 11. say That a man may be a sinner by having sin in him and yet not sin and to prove it bring Rom. 7. 20. Paul did not the Evil c. To which I say that their words are as much as if they had said that a sinner sins not What folly is this which that of Rom. 7. 20. proves not for though there was that in Paul which was of God that sinned not yet when he did the Evil which he would not then he sinned in doing it Again these Diviners who are thus Confounded say he that doth Righteousness is Righteous as God is Righteous yea as Christ is Righteous not because there is no sin in him but because Christ is made to him of God his Righteousness and in him he is Righteous as Christ is Righteous Answ. What then hath Christ sin in him if a man be Righteous as Christ is Righteous when he hath sin in him this their Assertion would charge both Christ and them that are in him to have sin in them which is Blasphemy against Ghrist For in him is no Sin and he is made manifest to destroy Sin And to our Question which was what one Sin or Sinnes can they lay to Paul or James or John's charge or to any of them that they were not perfectly freed from before their Decease Let them prove some sin which was not destroyed in any of those before their Decease or for ever be silent from pleading for sin or accusing the Righteous as they have done as also we asked them what sin can they prove that Nathaniel had in him when he had no guile in him To which J. Horn and T. Moore Reply page 13. That it is enough that we believe Paul James and John that they had Sin and did in many things offend though we cannot name their Particular offences as it is to believe multitudes to have dyed though we know not of what Particular Diseases c. and in page 20. They tell us we may as well say seeing the Scripture Witnesses that the Children of Korah dyed not in the Judgement that befell Korah and his Company what Disease they dyed of and if they cannot prove that they dyed of some Disease then they are Confuted if they believe and hold that they dyed they say Answ. Here any Impartial Reader may see how these men are Confounded who have accused the Saints to have Sin in them and to offend in many things while they lived upon Earth and now cannot prove any one sin that they were not perfectly freed from before their Decease or which was not destroyed in them before their Decease so that here all may see how Ignorantly they have accused the Saints and how far short of proving their Assertion they are for any of the Saints confessing any of their present states or failings does not at all prove that they were offenders or had sin in them so long as they lived as these said accusers would have it and as to their saying that multitudes have dyed though they know not of what Particular diseases and if they cannot prove that they dyed of some disease then they are confuted if they believe that they dyed to that I say thus their comparison will not hold but is foolish neither will it follow from what we propounded for it is evident that multitudes have dyed as it is appointed for men once to dye But they have not so proved that all the Saints were Sinners or had sin in them so long as they lived according to their Assertion And to their saying that David implies Sins in them though forgiven and covered in whose Spirit is no guile Psa. 32. 1 2. here they have added their own words unto Davids for he spake of such unto whom the Lord imputeth not Iniquity whose sin is covered and in whose Spirit is no guile nor can any say that their sin is thus covered when they sin or that it shall not be imputed to them while they are guilty of it for does not the Light of Christ discover in man his sin and reprove him for it when he is guilty of it They that know it can tell though it s hid from these said accusers Again I. H. and T. M. say David saith no man living is so free from sin as to be justified if God enter into Judgment with them and to prove it bring Psa. 143. 2. Answ. This is a lye against David for these are not his words he said not that no man living is so free from sin as to be justified c. For when the enemy had persecuted Davids Soul and had Smitten his Life down to the Ground he said enter not into Judgment with thy Servant O Lord for in thy sight shall no man living be Justified Which relates to that state wherein the Enemy hath Power that the life is Smitten down to the Ground and man cannot be Justified but thorow the death to that which Judgment is to So this Scripture they have brought proves no more that the Saints are not freed from sin in this life then it does that they are not Justified in Gods sight while in this life when as the Saints were Justified from that which the Judgments of God was to and such could say its not I that live but Christ in me To our saying touching Christs Body that the Body is one and hath many Members 1 Cor. 12 12. I. H. and T. M. answer that 's said both of a Personal and Mistical body or Society in different sences and then they say true also that the body of Christ either Personal or Mistical is not Carnal but Spiritual REP. Here they darken the minds of the simple by words which they have no Scripture for for the Scripture no where speaks of Christ having a Personall body and a Mistical body and yet both Spiritual For if he hath two Spiritual bodies wherefore do they say the one is Personal and the other Mistical as if then both were not Mistical and whence came that distinction in these words from the Papists What is not that which is Spiritual Mistical according to their own words but Paul saith as the body is one and
hath many Members so also is Christ and now are they many Members yet but one body 1 Cor. 12. 12 20. and there is one body and one Spirit Ephes. 4. 4. but I. Horn in a Paper to me saith that Jesus hath a humane Body and Soul * where does the Scripture say that Christs Soul is humane For his Soul is divine and immortal mens natural or earthly bodies are humane and the Apostle distinguisheth between them and the Spiritual bodies 1 Cor. 15. 40 44. so that Christ hath a glorious Spiritual body in Heaven which few can discern distinct from mens teresttial or natural bodies wch are humane now if Christ hath a natural or humane body a Spiritual body his Church too which is his body which they call his Mistical body may they not as well say he hath three bodies And then why not as well four or five bodies But their Ignorance about the natural and the Spiritual bodies is so plainly discovered in our Book intituled a Brief Discovery of the Dangerous Principles c. in which the Truth is so clearly over them that I need say little as to that Particular now To that 1 Thes. 4. 15. Where its said we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord c. John Horn and T. M. say we that live and remain means but those of us that shall be found living that is of the company of believers with whom they numbred themselves because then living and possibly not knowing but they might have lived to his coming but it no more implyes that the believers of that age should live and remain till the coming of Christ then they who lived in David's age lived in Moses age many hundred years before him c. I Answer Herein these perverters would accuse Paul with speaking both ignorantly and falsely to speak ignorantly as if he knew not whether they should live and remain till the coming of the Lord who then were alive and to speak falsely in their denying that the believers of that age should live and remain till the coming of Christ whenas Paul expresly said we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them that are asleep so that they knew the several appearances and opperations of Christ till they all beheld his glory with open face as in a glass and were made to sit with him in Heavenly places J. H. and T. M. The Apostles exhort to set our affections upon things above where Christ is also at the right hand of God not upon things within your selves but upon things above Col. 3. 2. 3. I Answer If the Saints were not to set their Affections on things within themselves then not upon Christ in them for the Riches of the Glory of this mystery was Christ in them the hope of Glory Col. 1. 27. so see the darkness of these men who would as by their Doctrine divide Christ who is both in the Saints and at Gods right hand not devided nor Gods right hand devided from them who are saved by it and how should they set their affections on things above when they do not affect Christ nor his Spirit in them Page 42. J. H. and T. M. The Apostles Faith was not grounded in Christs appearing in them Page 42. Answ. Which is contrary to the Apostles Doctrine for Paul Preached to the Saints that their faith might stand in the power of God and this power wrought mightily in them and Paul said examine your selves whether you be in the faith prove your own selves know you not your own selves how that Jesus Christ is in you except ye be reprobates J. H. and T. M. in Page 31. accuse us with being Juglers and Jesuites that are full of lies and confusion But this I return back upon them as a lie and a slander invented in their malice for do they know us to be Jesuites Why do they not discover us to be such then After that J. H. and T. M. have denyed that they that were led by the Spirit of God did witness the creature brought into the glorious liberty of the Sons of God before their decease wherein they have discovered much ignorance of the state of them who were led by the Spirit of God who remained not all their life time without their liberty they say it is God that hath ordered the Redemption there spoken of viz. Rom. 8. 23. to be after death c. and that it was their part viz. the Apostles and so is ours to groan after it and wait for it till the time of Christ's descending from Heaven to change our vile body c. To which I say and this descending of Christ from Heaven according to these mens words is not till after mens decease when they say the bodies shall be raised And then if it be the Saints part that are deceased and the part of all believers to groan after and wait for the redemption of the body as if the Saints body were not changed nor redeemed from the bondage of corruption before their decease as these men affirm where are the Saints deceased now groaning for Redemption are they with the Father in Heaven groaning for it Or are they groaning in some Purgatory between Heaven and Hell Oh! what sottishness are these men in For in the Father is rest from burthens and bondage which caused the groaning and the Saints according to their expectations and hope knew the working of the Power of God according to which they witnessed a changing of the body of their lowness as the word renders it {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} and a fashiong of it into the likeness of Christs glorious body which power these men being ignorant of they put that Redemption and the glorious liberty of the Sons of God a far of till after the decease they know not how long but their ignorance about that hath been largly manifest Again to vindicate Thomas Moors instancing for Christ's being in Heaven with a body of flesh and bones without blood in it that we do not read that there was any blood in Adam's body in Paradice To this J. Horn and T. M. say that T. Moor brought forth indeed such an observation as a conception or thought of his which rendered it probable to his apprehension that a glorified spiritual body needs not the being of material blood in it and that he reads not that Adam's body had blood in it before the fall in which he conceives what before was more purely Spirits was changed into blood and therein the body became mortal but this is but his private conception which he gives not forth as an Oracle to be believed as an Article of Faith they say Page 53. I Answer Mark the deceit and lying divinations of these men and how doubtful and confused they are in what they deliver it is known by many that Thomas Moor affirmed openly as also he hath in
some of his Books that Christs body in Heaven is a body of flesh and bones without blood in it and that he ascended without material blood But against this their own assertion they say in Page 26. yet that his body is a body of flesh and bones in Heaven without blood in it they determined not So who should believe these Hypocrites who assert things that they themselves are so doubtful of and Preached their own conceptions and imaginations which they have no Scripture for and against their own words have guessed above what is written and have given forth their private conceptions not as an Oracle to be believed Oh! what darkness and folly are they in And yet after that they have confessed that what they have said of Adams body not having blood in it before the fall is but a private conception which they give not as an Oracle to be believed They go about to vindicate this private conception of theirs in these words viz. but how prove we that Adam had blood Why blood is the life T. M. may answer it is so in the fallen state follows it it was so there they say So then it follows from these mens words that it is in the fallen state that men have blood in their bodies that then it is the life but not in the innocent or spiritual state from whence they might as well say that then Christ had never blood in his body for he was never in the fallen state and that the Saints that were Spiritual had not blood for they were not thus in the fallen state What miserable blind guides are these that tive go about to maintain their foolish conceptions which they gall not forth as Oracles to be believed And to our saying that Nations are made of one blood Acts 17. 26. J. Horn and T. Moor say but neither doth that cross T. Moors apprehensions for there was no Nation nor man made of Adam before his fall he fell before he propagated they say Answ. Here again their folly and sottishness exceedingly appears for Adams falling before he propagated does notargue that he had no blood in his body before he fell for Nations to be made of for he might have propagated if he had not fallen seeing that when God had created man in his own image male female created he them then God blessed them and God said unto them be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth and subdue it c. Gen. 1. 27 28. And where we asked them whether they believe there was no blood left in Christs body when crucisied They answer how should we certainly believe what is not revealed Some judge it probable there was not because it is said after his fide was pierced forthwith came there out blood and water water is mentioned last as if blood might be all drained out till water followed it they say I answer Here again they have shewed their weakness in that they have here shewn that they do not certainly believe there was no blood in Christs body when Crucified because it s not revealed to them and where they say that forthwith came there out water and blood I say what could the blood all come out forthwith so that people may take notice that all their former asserting that Christ ascended without material blood and that his body is in Heaven without blood in it their thus blindly reasoning for it as they have here done is but all in darkness since what they speak of it is not revealed to them and therefore they say they find some good men that had the oversight of the Churches here in Queen Elizabeth and the following dayes did not disbelieve or deny such a conception for they say it is printed amongst those songs set before or after the Psalms in the complaint of a sinner Thus they The Scripture doth declare no drop of blood in thee for that thou didst not spare to shed each drop for me Page 54. Whence the Reader may see from whence J. Horn and old T. Moore and his Son have part of their Faith or their Testimony for it even from among Songs which were Invented by men what sad stuff is this but sure could they have proved their Faith and their Conceptions by the Scriptures they needed not to have gone to among old Songs to have proved it which are but Aditions of men not given forth by the Prophets or Apostles After that John Horn hath in pag. 55. Confessed himself subject to forgetfulness and over-sights and that he did in his forgetfulness write Job for Elihu because the Book doth wholly bear the Title of Job he further proceeds in his Deceit to Vindicate his words in a Letter to Eliz. Underwood which were that the good Angels are not pure in the presence of God and to prove it he brought Job 4. 18. and 15. 15. where it s said behold he putteth no trust in his Saints and his Angels he charged with folly which were none of Jobs words but Eliphaz his words who was one of the Miserable Comforters that came against Job and one of them against whom the wrath of God was kindled and spoke not the thing of God that was right as Job did Job 42. 7. but John Horn replyes that what Eliphaz said of the Angels as charged with folly is related by Eliphaz rather as a thing Revealed to him and said to him in a Vision by a Spirit I Answ. But what Spirit it was that led Eliphaz to speak so against the Saints Angels thou J. H hast not made appear but in thy Darkness and Deceit hast Joyned with that Spirit that hath accused the Brethren and the good Angels as thou hast done further then Eliphaz did for where provest thou that the good Angels are not pure in the presence of God and what Sin canst thou prove the good Angels Guilty of that makes them Impure and what are the names of those good Angels that thou hast so accused and doest thou believe that God putteth no trust in his Saints according to his words that thou hast quoted to prove thy Deceit Again Pag. 57. J. H. and T. M. Say they said about that in 1 Cor. 15. So flesh and blood cannot Inherit the Kingdom of God that in the Changed state what was blood before might be Changed into Pure Life and Spirit the thing and Substance remaining though they say not in the same Form of Blood which yet they Conclude not they say Answ. Here again they have shewed their folly and Imaginations for which they have been reproved in Laying down that which they have no Scripture for but their own blind Supsition which now they Conclude not and so are but uncertain of their blindly saying That in the Changed state what was blood before might be changed into pure Life and Spirit and yet the thing and Substance remaining So how can others believe these men when they seem hardly to believe their own
it would not serve thy turn if such as thou hast counted dumb doggs begin to bite thee And where in Page 74. thou and Thomas Moor accused the Quakers and the Jesuites to be either the same or of very great affinity That I return again upon you as a lie and a slander proceeding from a murtherous Spirit who before plainly countedus Jesuites and Juglers in Page 31. But do you certainly know we are such If you did you would sure make it better appear than you do that your murtherous Spirits might be satisfied J. Horne and T. Moors principle Page 75. For every neglect of Christ and abuse of his truth deprives not of God nor is accompanyed with such transgressions as not to abide in his Doctrine they say Answ. Which is as much as to say that a man may neglect Christ and abuse his truth and yet abide in God and in Christs Doctrine notwithstanding This is one of the Devils Doctrines wherein they are Ministers of Sin and not of Christ for he that abideth in the Doctrine of Christ abideth in Christ and he that abideth in him sinneth not 1 John 3 6. for Christ teacheth perfection and holiness and against all sin and abusing the truth Mat. 5. 48. and see 1 Pet. 1. 15 16. So that the pit which these men aforesaid have digged for others they are fallen into themselves and have evidently shewed themselves to be deceivers and enemies to righteousness J. H. and T. M. in Page 76. Say thus viz. We say that that body of Christ which had flesh and bones after the Resurrction of it is taken up into Heaven and is in Heaven Luke 24. 39 40 51 52. what chang or transmutation further it had in its ascention and glory we know not they say Answ. So then it appears that you know not what such a body Christ hath in Heaven and so you discern not his body for what change or transmutation it had in its ascention and glory you know not And how know you then it is a body with flesh and bones without blood in it as you have affirmed Which you would have us to have submitted to your imaginations in when now you know not what such a body it is your selves no more than you know where his blood is which you said is the foundation of your faith for it may for ought you know be turned into pure life and spirits as you have said And might you not as well have said so of his body too seeing what change or transmutation it had in its ascention and glory you know not only the nearest proof you have brought to prove it hath no blood it is a piece of a Rime or song that you have learned from among the songs set before or after David's Psalms which you say 't is probible had they thought it an error they would scarce have let it be printed there To which I say you have come off exceeding poorly to prove your Doctrine and your weakness and ignorance the Reader may easily see 'T is probible too that you did not think there was so many errors and lies in your volumn of above 20. sheets against us as there are in it which does not prove it Erroneous therefore which if your matter had been sound you needed not like the Papists have made up so much stuff and taken up such a great compass to clear your selves but you have the more discovered your folly and wickedness thereby as the more you will do the further you go on in it as also the Reader may see what weakness you have discovered in Answer to our five Questions and other Questions of ours if he read your Book but it will be a task and pretty hard for any unprejudiced Spirits to read it over there being so much confused frothy stuff in it and Cavellings nothing at all tending to Edification to be sure that in a short time it will be out of Date and but as wast Paper or an old Almanack except it be with some such Canckred Spirits as your own If John Horne pay for the Printing of such great confused Vollumnes his Preaching sure must be sold at a dear Rate and if his hearers pay for it then they know the burthen of it but however his work will come to nought for the day hath discovered him and it to be in Darkness And now Reader since that all the particulars of the said Book are not worth answering I having already answered and Rejected the things in it against us of most concernment I shall shew thee a few more consequences and Doctrines laid down by the said John Horne and Thomas Moore the Elder and his Son which we deny and thou may Judge whether they came from a true Spirit or a False J. H. and T. M. In their Epistle say That he viz. Christ may say as Paul said to will is present with me but how to perform what I would I find not They tell of Christ making his grave with the wicked before he was begotten and that he suffers before he be begotten That he by whom all things were made is in some men and yet his Power not begotten That when the Power Reacheth to the Seed it rises in it by Degrees surely as men in whom he is Give way to him That he viz. Christ hath neither done dying nor been at any time without his Reigning That he viz Christ Bare his own Sins in his Body and is the Propitiation for himself seeing the Church is he or part of him Page 29. That the dead in Christ were Raised before Paul and the believing Thessalonians dyed and so they did not sleep as to their Bodies but were suddenly changed and taken up to meet the Lord in the Ayre And in vain do men look for Christs coming to Raise the dead for that 's past and gone before the Apostles Age was Past The Resurrection of the Just is over See Pag. 32. That the Flesh of Christ which we eat is something of the Church the Flesh and Substance of the Church and so the Church is to eat it self Page 30. These are John Hornes and Tho. Moores Own words which we utterly deny and the Reader may see if they have not therein spoken Blasphemy Again to our saying That now the Lord makes a new Covenant with his People when he takes away their Sins not according to the old Covenant which the Israelites brake according to Heb. 8. 7 8 9 and Jer. 31. 31 32. and ch. 33. 8. To this J. H. and T. M. say Pag. 17. It seems then in this time they may be Sinless and yet Sin Lye and forge and traduce and yet not Sin in it all Judge Reader is this a good Doctrine or Consequence of theirs which they draw from the words of Truth and Scripture And further Mark what Doctrines J. Horne and Tho. Moore have laid down They Affirm 1. That every Sin is not deceit 2. Nor every deceit Guile
the Believers and not the Anointed which is also false for Jesus Christ is the Anointed of God who is in the Saints and the Anointed and Anointing is not devided J. H. and T. M. p. 94. That Christ in the Body of his Flesh may be truly and properly said to be Ascended or gone up far above all Heavens not onely in respect of Glory and Dignity but even in respect of place or Local height also Rep. But what place or Local height it is that Christ is Ascended into far above all Heavens Eph. 4. 10. you have not discovered but say it was Heaven it self or the Heaven of Heavens as if you had said Heaven itself the Heaven of Heavens is far above all Heavens and then it must be far above itself when the Apostle saith he that Descended is the same also that Ascended up far above all Heavens that he might fill all things Eph. 4. 9. 10. and it is the same that first Descended that Ascended far above all Heavens this is spoken without exception of place or Loâ—â— height as you except and the Heaven of Heavens cannot contain that glory that he is in who is ascended who is both in the Heavens and far above them all Our 10th Question is where or how came Christ into the House where his Disciples were met after his Resurrection the doors being shut John 20. 19 26. have not some of you said that then his body being spirituallized it glyded in at the key hole of the door you answer That none of you have said as related Reply But in this you have not all cleared your selves from speaking these or the like words for one that informed me how Thomas Moor the elder spoke of Christs body glyding in at the key hole of the door hath been one of his own hearers whom I know durst not bely him but would be willing to witness it openly to his face if called to it and Barthel Wormel Alderman who owns you did not go about to clear T. Moor from what was said of him as mentioned when he took upon him to answer that question and it appears that T. M. and you have had such like whimseyes in your minds by what follows where you say these words viz. Further also you are assured that even the Children of the first Resurrection when they shall attain to that Resurrection of the dead and have their bodies that now are vile fashioned into the likeness of his glorious body they in those very bodies being spiritual immortal powerful incorruptible shall be equal to the Angels who cannot be hindred from passage by any corruptible things as doors walls or the like but can make their own passage thorow any such obstacles more easily than mortal bodies through the Ayr and why should it be thought a thing incredible c. Reply Here people may see these mens imaginations and dreams and how against what they have professed they would appear wise above what is written for we never read in all the Scriptures that the Children of the first Resurrection in these very bodies of flesh and bones shall be so equal to the Angels in the Resurrection as that they may make their own passage thowrow any such obstacles as doors walls and the like more easily than mortal bodies through the Ayr as you may see plainly these men imagin wherein they shew themselves intruders into things they have not seen being vainly puft up in their fleshly minds and more like such as are peeping and muttering and running into sorcery and magick then men in the simplicity of the Gospel for it is not at all natural nor proper to a body of flesh and bones it being of such a substance to make its own passage thorow doors and walls more easily than now it can thorow the Ayr thus have they shewed their dreaming in the night of thick darkness that is over them And in P. 129. J. H. and T. M. are speaking about the second coming of Christ and say that his second coming his glorious appearing never yet hath been to any nor now is c. Reply herein they might as well say that then never yet were any come to Salvation by Christ for his second coming is without sin unto Salvation and for the same end he will appear to them that yet look for him even to save them from their sins for his coming in the flesh wherein he was once offered to bear the sins of many Heb. 9. 28. This was one coming of Christ and after this the Saints who looked for him received his coming in Spirit to work their Redemption and to make them witnesses of his Kingdome Glory and Reign and to Reign with him over darkness and unrighteousness but these things have these deceivers put afar off and discern not Christs Kingdome Reign and where they say that Christ shall then stay all the wicked even every one that doth not presently submit to serve him and his People and that then all the Saints that come with him shall have immortal bodies being as equal to the Angels and that they shall Reign with Christ on Earth and Judge the World until the final and eternal Judgment seize upon all the ungodly at the last and general Resurrection Reply Herein they have spoken but faintly and in darkness for what service it is they imagin the People of God shall then have from the wicked when they shall be in these raised immortal bodies they have not told us nor what need the Saints in these immortal bodies can have of the other part of the Creation or of the wicked to serve them especially if their bodies be such as can make their passage so immediately thowrow any such obstacles as doors and walls as these men have said and yet these bodies must be bodies of flesh and bones according to their words But these vain conceptions do arise from the same Spirit in them that leads them into pride self-exaltation and to look for master-ship in the Earth like those that look to gain an Earthly Kingdome or to Reign with Christ in some outward pomp and glory and so to bring all under them and then they would be Lords indeed but their expectations after that will fail them as for their bringing Revel. 20. 4 6. It proves not what they would have it nor the other Scriptures they have blindly quoted that Christ shall personally Reign a thousand years * for in Revel. 20. 5. it ' spoken of the first Resurrection which he is blessed that hath a part in for then he hath a part in Christ who is the Resurrection the life whose Kingdom is an everlasting Kingdome which hath already appeared unto his People and is set up among them that they are come to Reign with him over the World and it's deceivers and these men as appears imagin that after Christ hath at his coming raised the dead bodies of the Saints and reigned
in person with them 1000. years there must be another Resurrection of the bodies of the wicked which they call the last and general Resurrection but in these things they would shew themselves wise above what is written but the Kingdome of Christ wherein he will Reign and Rule over the Nations is Spiritual and Spiritually discerned and known where the Power wherein the Kingdome stands is felt and not according to the carnal imaginations of hireling Priests Deceivers J. H. T. M. In P. 141. They say that Christ hath appointed together with the Preaching the Cross this outward Ordinance speaking of the blessing and breaking Bread and taking and blessing the Cup for the remembring and shewing forth the Lords Death till be come which implies that there is even in believers in their several ages till that his coming again natural dâ—â—ness and proneness to forget it and therefore need of such mementoes c. and that he hath appointed such means to stir us up by putting us in remembranes often they say Reply Herein they undervalue the believers as if they were 〈◊〉 themselves having natural dulness and proneness to forget the Lords Death the before imagin that the belevers â—â—ct have need of such outward â—â—ings as bread and wine to stir them up by putting them in remembrance often whenas the true believers are come to the substance and to feed upon the flesh of Christ and feel his coming knowing that the bread which they break is the Communion of the body of Christ and the cup of blessing which they bless is the Communion of the blood of Christ which the outward bread and the cup was but a sign or a figure of and the end of the World they are come to see who are in the Communion of the body of Christ for in the World is the strife and the doting about these outward shaddows which are passed away where the glory of the Sun is broken forth and the mysteries of life revealed And what is it that puts you in remembrance to take bread and wine Will not the same stir you up to the remembrance of Christs death But you are so dull and prone to forget it that you must alwayes have need of such shaddows to put you in remembrance often sure if you were come to feel the power of Christs sufferings and were come to feed upon his flesh which giveth life unto the world and to drink his blood you would not be so forgetful of Christ as you are for can a living man who is sound forget his natural food And where you say that we render the Supper of the Lord as well as the passover a figure in this have you spoken falsely for we are come to the Supper of the Lord and to sup with Christ and he with us where the bread of God is received which is not a figure but the substance to which Supper you are not come who live in pride and vanity and pleading for sin as your natural heritage and with such Christ does not Sup nor feed among such a proud company as you are at your bread and wine which blindly you call his Supper when it hath not so much as a true form of the Supper of Christ in it when his Disciples eat with him in the night in which he was betrayed they eat the passeover according to the command Mat. 26. Luke 22. 8. So that his Supper was not without the Passeover which was a figure that Christ fulfilled Again J. H. and T. M. in P. 146. you charg us with corrupt imaginations and with signifying in our former Questions that the blood sufferings and death of Christ that is over and past as to the actual accomplishment and sustaining thereof and was so finished in that body is not the bread of life or the drink indeed and the purger of the conscience but something else figured by that which is now in a present and sensible being nigh to men and in them Reply In which you shew your corruptness and perverting the Truth in that you are striving against what we said of the flesh and blood of Christ viz. That his flesh and blood is so nigh to every believer that his flesh is his meat and his blood is his drink indeed and this flesh and blood continues and is felt in the true believer whereby he hath life in him and his conscience purged when the sufferings and death of Christ as to the actual accomplishment and sustaining thereof is over and past as you confess But alas you are ignorant of this and cannot tell where the blood of Christ is as to the existence of it and yet you have called it the foundation of your faith and Gods own blood P. 89. Acts 20. 28. and yet by your words God is without his own blood in Heaven for you have denyed it to be in Christs body in Heaven so you cavel at us for witnessing the life and substance of that which you are both ignorant of and are confounded about Where we asked J. H. and T. M. What is their ground for sprinkling the Children of them they count believers About this they shuffle and dare not answer directly for fear it appears of displeasing their other Brethren the Priests that differ from them in this and say they reject our Question but yet they say That in Baptizing Repentance and remission of sins is Preached and witnessed as in his name for them and through it unto them as appears by comparing Mat. 28. 19. with Luke 24. 47 48. and Acts 13. To which I say in this have you wrested these Scriptures for they will not serve your ends as you would have them Repentance and remission of sins was not Preached by Christs Ministers to infants through Sprinckling them what do you repent for them Or promise that they shall repent And are you sure that they will prove believers that sprinckle them as the seed of believers in your account and how do you know that other Peoples Children whom you have refused to sprinckle are not as well the seed of believers as those whom you sprinckle and yet for that Popish practise you have no rule in the Scriptures of truth You say in P. 155. That we must needs reject and deride imputed Righteousness viz. mens being the Righteousness of God in him in an answerable sense as he was made sin for us Reply Herein you bely us for we neither reject nor deride the imputed Righteousness we being in the faith wherein it is revealed in us and imputed to us to our sanctification whereby we are become the Righteousness of God in Christ 2. Christ was made sin for us who knew no sin 2 Cor. 5. 21. neither was there any sin in him so that if mens being the righteousness of God in him be in an answerable sense as Christ was made sin as you imagin say then God must account them his Righteousness when they know none of his
again ascended are no local places but some Conditions or Conceits in men 5. That neither the Souls nor Bodies of the Wicked shall rise again to Judgment This with several other Lies J. Horne and Thomas Moor charge us called Quakers with maintaining or asserting insome Queries I sent to them when as I only queried them to try their belief in these things without asserting them so what unreasonable men these are is easie to see who distinguish not between Questions and Assertions who proceed in their lies thus 6. That we agree with Himneus and Philetus that said the Resurrection is already past 7. That Christ came not to Redeem men from out of the natural bodily Death 8. That such Faith as that of the Elect mentioned Rom. 8. 33 34 35. is by our Doctrines to be rooted up 9. That by our Doctrine Christ is not the Author and procurer of all good to men both natural and spiritual 10. That we deny Justification by a Righteousness imputed to us 11. That to endeavour to detect and make manifest the delusions of any to preserve people from them is a being impatient under and raging against Gods Judgments which they falsely charge us called Quakers with maintaining And with maintaining 12. That these Teachers whose Hearers do sleight and neglect the Truth Preached by them and remain sloathful formal Covetous are false Prophets whenas the words were not so spoken by us but we spoke rather in particular against them and such as being false Prophets and Hypocrites who being neglecters of Christ and abusers of the Truth themselves as they have confessed they have not profited the People Again these abusers of the Truth viz. 13. J. Horne and T. Moor charge us falsely with plainly denying Judgment after the natural Death and with denying and jearing at Christ that Holy and Innocent man that was born of the Virgin Mary as having the form and body of a man 14. That we set up another thing in his stead viz. an imaginary seed within every man 15. That we plead for a Christ without any body of man distinct from others or out of them but a certain seed with an imaginary flesh and blood dying and bearing sin in every man having no other body but what is in some men dying yea in every man in its time 16. That our Christ hath been alwayes dying and rising in men from the beginning of the World and so will be to the end 17. That we make nothing of the coming again of Christ but scoffs at him that dyed 1600. years ago 18. That we account Christ's Death and Resurrection but a shaddow 19. That the seed which we speak of in men is but a conceited Spirit that is within them with a conceited flesh and blood in them too of which they say such an Idol was scarce ever in any Generation of men set up before Wherein J. Horne and these two Moors have both lyed shamefully and blasphemed for the seed which we spake of is Christ whom the Apostles Preached which the promise was to in them and this is not an Idol as they heve blasphemed nor his flesh and blood a conceited and an imagined thing but our meat and drink without the eating and drinking of which a man hath no life in him 20. Again J. H. and T. M. falsely accuse us with maintaining that our Christ in all the reality of his body with his flesh and blood is wholy within us sensibly bearing our sins though not willingly 21. That the coming of Christ to raise the dead bodies of all that sleep in Jesus c. and the Resurrection of the dead and Judgment afterdeath is by us altogether denyed 22. That whatsoever is said of the true Christ or of his Church in the Scripture we apply to a false Christ and to our selves 23. That we come in our own Name and Authority boasting of our selves and witnessing to and of our selves and obtruding things upon men not by and in the Light and evidence of the Spirit 24. That we say our sayings are better than the sayings of the holy Spirit in the Scriptures 25. That George Fox said in Bury at Goal of one Disbrough Brother-in-law to Joseph Hagger being a Tradesman in London that he was Priest and Hireling and took Tyths which with the rest is an odious lie and slander and denyed by George Fox as also are these viz. 26. That we count our selves Lords and disdain to have any over us and revile and likely would destroy if in our power at our pleasure 27. And that our principle leads to it 28. That I wilfully played the Jesuite or Sophister to delude the ignorant with seeming like tearms 29. That Christopher Wade clearly proved a whole dozen of notorious lies against George Fox 30. And that in my Answer I give the goe-by most egregiously and in none of them reproves C. Wade Which also are filthy lies against both G. F. and me as may be seen in my Book intituled Truth defending the Quakers so that these things here mentioned against us called Quakers which John Horn and T. Moor have accused us with which are inserted in their Epistle I return back upon them as wicked lies and slanders proceeding from the envious Spirit of the wicked one in them and yet they are but a few in comparison of many more which they have uttered against us which we are clear of and more of their lies and slanders in their Book are as followeth viz. 31. That some of us say we are Christ 32. That we cast mists and cloudes in our expressions 33. That we turne Scripture sayings into fables perverting the whole Scripture to a corrupt sense 34. That by dead in Christ we mean but the spiritually dead in some some fancyed death sleeping in him the Trumpet and shout and Resurrection all Allegorical 35. 36. That we are denyers of the Resurrection Preached by the Apostles And that all men may see us to be so 37. That we count the Preaching of the Cross foolishness and turn it into a Fable or Allegory 38. That we confess not Christ come in the flesh but make him a figure of a spiritual wickedness or mysterious deceit that works in them that perish 39. 40. That we turn the words of Truth into a lie Not only neglecting but wholly trampleing the true Christ under our feet 41. That we deny the God above In these slanders also with many others against us have they shewed themselves to be frequent and common lyers all which we return back upon them as things never owned by us which if they further assay to make them good we shall know further how to make our defence that our innocency may be clear from them as we are clear in the sight of God But in these they have but done by our words as they use to do by the Scriptures of Truth perverted them and raised lies from them which is the manner of their Preaching And