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A60564	The Quaker disarm'd, or, A true relation of a late publick dispute held at Cambridge by three eminent Quakers against one scholar of Cambridge ; with a letter in defence of the ministry and against lay-preachers ; also several quæries proposed to the Quakers to be answered if they can.	Smith, Thomas, 1623 or 4-1661.; Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723.; Allen, William, d. 1686.; Fox, George, 1624-1691.	1659 (1659)	Wing S4227; ESTC R18877	22,488	24

B. Saviour yet was not by any thought fit to be termed an Apostle till he had a speciall call to that office Act 1.23 29. 2ly Considering that Ioseph sirnamed Barsabas was a witness to all this as well as Matthias yet never exercised the Apostleship though it seems the Church of Christ esteemed him fit for it because he was not ordained thereto ●nymore then many others who where educated in the schole of Christ as well ●s the best 30. 3ly Considering that the most Blessed Iesus himself the only begotten son of God often profest that he came not without being sent Io. 17.8.18 Nor preacht any thing but what he heard nor did any thing but what he was commanded and this in a time when there was confessedly very great necessity of Reformation And then with what face other then brazen can any man now justifie the doing these things of himself who neither pretends that he is the Son of God nor yet that he seeth such a necessity of Reformation 31. Lastly considering that not only those Christians who lived neerest the times of our Saviour who probably might know more of his institution than t is possible we at this distance should but all succeeding ages for 1600. Years have had a Clergy and a discipline Certainly Sir we have sins as great as any of them the old sins to mortifie I heartily wish to God we had no new ones too then unheard of and therefore certainly we stand in as much need of Physicians as any of them did of all the blessed remedies and wholesome medicines against them which our good God hath appointed 32. I might adde many other places of Scripture as 2. Cor. 5.19 God hath reconciled us to himself by Christ Jesus and given to us the Ministery of reconciliation Now then we are Embassadours for Christ Wherein I entreat you to Observe that he saith committed to us the ministry of reconcilation here then is an appropriate Ministry not common to all the vulgar We are Embassadours T is limited to some few by vertue of a commission All cannot be Embassadours The Church is a body and all cannot be ears or eyes 1. Cor. 12.14.15.16 33. But I must not omit the answer which your friend made to Rom. 10.15 he said he was sent by the Church of Christ at Bedford To which I replyed 1. That that which he called the Church of Christ at Bedford could not send him or give him power to preach c. Because nothing can give that which it self hath not That Church consisting only of women and a few Lay-men is not in indeed a Church of Christ none of them hath power to preach or administer the Sacraments and therefore none of them can give the Tinker power to preach and administer the Sacraments 34. 2. The Church of Antioch was in all probability very numerous in those dayes when miracles were ordinary and three thousand were converted in one place at one sermon and yet in all the Scripture you shall not find by any word the least sign that those many people who were thus converted at Antioch did joyn together in Church-duties and ordinances as the Lords supper which the primitive and best Christians received every day Act. 2.42.46 and the people of your Town have not desired as I hear these fourteen years untill Barnabas and Paul had been with them When these two who were ordained Ministers of the word came unto them then and not till then were the Christians at Antioch termed a Church Act. 11. from the 20th verse to the 27th 35 I confess 't is both lawful and laudable for private Christians to endeavour the conversion of any that be indeed Infidels or Unbelievers to the truth of the Gospel or to teach children or servants the Catechisme c. and if this Tink●● had done no more staid at Bedford and taught his Family the Lords Prayer the Apostles Creed the Ten Commandments and the Doctrine of the Sacraments which things few of his followers in these parts can endure to hear of or if he had followed S. Pauls advice 1 Thes. 4.11 studied to be quiet and done his own business I should have nothing to have said against him 'T is lawful for private Christians to do what they can to convert Jews or Turks or Heathens or Atheists that is to prepare stones for the building of the Church as the antient Ecclesiastical stories tell us that Frumentius and AEdesius did in India and the captive maid in Iberia but after they be converted after they are baptized to unite these together and make up a building to assemble them in an Ecclesiastical bodie to usurp the Pulpit and that power which our Saviour distributed when he said All power is given to me both in Heaven and Earth go ye therefore and preach This is such a piece of presumption as we read not in the Acts of the Apostles nor in any other Ecclesiastical story that I have seen that any of the primitive Christians were ever guilty of But all this your T. hath been guilty of and much more For he hath not only intruded into the Pulpits in these parts and caused the people of your Town to hate their lawful Minister Mr. Iohn Ellis sen but as he told me encouraged them to proceed so far as to cudgel him and break open the Church doors by violence I wonder what example or precept in the Scripture he hath for this When he hath read Tit. 3.2 I desire him to see his doom 1 Pet. 4.15 where {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} that is one that thrusts himself in to preach in another mans parish against his consent is reckoned by the H. Ghost among no honester men then a Thief and a Murderer This will be a sad Text for him when the books shall be opened before him at the great Judgement day 36. And here I give you under my hand what I professed to the T 's face that if I could see any reason to draw me out of the true ancient Catholick and Apostolick Church into which I was baptized whereof the Church of England is the soundest part as I am ready to make appear against the Papists and all other new and old Schismaticks and Hereticks their Confederates If I say I could see any reason to draw me out of that Church into your Schisme who encourage the Tinker to preach I see not what should stop me from running into the worst Sect in the world from being an Anabaptist or Ranter or Quaker or Antiscripturist or what not 37 Give me leave to tell you a storie you gave the Tinker leave to tell you several of things done at Bedford T is out of S. Augustines Notes on Iohn 1.2 3. All things were made by him S. Austin saith that a Manichee another being troubled with Flies and disputing one of them said he thought that our good God could not be the Creator of such troublesome Insects Why then replied the

He answered That none of them were his followers for he came alone and brought not one with him That it was their meeting-House and therefore more likely to be their followers So after S. at the Quakers request had entreated the people to be quiet he asked W. S. Do you profess your self to be an Embassador of Christ or do you not W. Yea I do S. Then that you may understand my argument the better for I perceive you do not yet ken it I 'll illustrate it by a similitude Suppose we being not at peace with Spain twelve men should go hence to the King of that Nation and tell him that they are all sent Embassadors to him from the Parliament of England He asks them for their Commissions One of them shows him his Commission in Parchment and the other 11 tell him they have a Commission but he must beleeve them on their words for they cannot show it Every one of them exclaiming against this man who showes his Commission and against the other for counterfeits crying aloud that he himself and he alone is the true Embassador though he have nothing to prove it by more then the other ten false In such a case would you not say that these 11 are Knaves Answer W. and F. and all the rest stood still and said not a word S. If it be an heinous sin for any man to pretend a Commission from an earthly Prince or Parliament when he hath none indeed to show shall not his crime be incomparably more grievous his condemnation unspeakably more dreadful who pretends one from the King of Heaven when he hath none to show W. I have a commission S. Show it Here W. Stood mute and the people said he was wont to call the Clergie Dumb Dogs but now he was Dumb himself S. Let us hear or see what your commission is Distinguish that commission which you say you have from that which all the Damnable Hereticks in the World do or may produce for themselves Here W. made a long speech to the people To which S. replyed S. You have told us a long storie whereof I can make neither head nor foot I am sure it concerns my argument no more then if you should tell us they are now selling apples upon the Market-hill Tell us or show us what is your commission W. I have my commission from Christ S. I do not well hear what you say but I think you told us of another commission the other day from that which you speak of now W. I told you then that I had it from the power of God and now that I had it from Christ S. They differ For Moses had his commission from the power of God yet had it not from Christ who gave no commission to any before the Twelve Apostles Fox Christ and the Power of God are all one S. Well we will not discuss any impertinent questions Whether they be one or not you do not answer my argument 'T is this He who pretends to be an Embassador of Christ and hath no commission to show but only a talk that he is sent from Christ he hath none to show but what damnable Hereticks do or may show But you pretend to be an Embassadour of Christ and have no c. W. Did ever any Heretick pretend a commission from Christ S. Yes Dav. George Socinus Arius and all the Hereticks I ever read of W. They could not prove it by the effects as I can that is show the people that were converted by them S. Yes they could Arians converted a nation of Infidels to Christianity which is more then you pretend to and his opinions spread so far among them who before his time were Orthodox that in short time 't was said All the world seemed Arian W. But did the Hereticks live good lives S. 'T is confessed by all the Ancients that Arius and his Followers did by St. Austin that Pelagius did and I remember no Sect-Master that did not If you have no commission to show but this you see that all damnable Hereticks do or may show the same and so my conclusion remains firm That you open a door to damnable Heresy W. No I have proved my commission sufficiently and you have brought nothing against it S. Let the people judge of that You and I come not hither to be judges in our own cause W. You should prove me an Heretick which you do not go about to do S. I shall do that when I come at it 'T is the second question We are not yet come so far we are yet but at the door of your house I am proving that you open a door to let in Hereticks A man may open the door of his house to let them in and be none himself W. I 'll prove that I am none my self and that from Scripture S. You come hither to answer and not to oppose but since contrary to the rules of dispute you resolve to do both at once I 'll give you leave come let us hear your argument W. 'T is taken out of 2 Pet. 2.1 2. But there were false prophets also among the people even as there shall be false Teachers among you who privily shall bring in damnable Heresies even denying the Lord that bought them and bring upon themselves swift destruction S. Mark destruction and damnable twice applied to Heresie in one Verse W. And many shall follow their pernicious wayes by reason of whom the way of Truth shall be evil spoken of Hence I prove that I am no Heretick Observe here Hereticks are those who deny the Lord that bought them I do not deny the Lord that bought me Therefore I am no Heretick S. I deny your major All Hereticks do not deny the Lord that bought them The Apostle there instances in one sort of false Teachers the worst who would even deny the Lord Observe the word even here is a special brand put upon them It follows not hence that none are false prophets none false teachers or as you would have it none Hereticks but those who do deny the Lord that bought them Prove that Prove your Major W. I have Christ within me and therefore I do not deny the Lord that bought me S. You do not prove your major I beleeve you do not understand my answer I 'll explain it Suppose a man lying here sick unto death will you prove that he is not sick at all because he hath no plague-sore upon him or hath no consumption Because he hath not this or that or a third disease therefore hath he none There be many sorts of Hereticks the Apostle here mentions damnable Heresies in the plural as there be of diseased persons Some deny the Lord that bought them others not 'Till not follow that because you are not of one sort of these therefore you be not of the other Prove your major if you can if not give me leave to argue against you from this very Text Whitehead

Fox and all the rest here stood silent S. Well beloved from this very text that he hath brought to prove he is no Heretick I will demonstrate which I am sorry that I must do but you see he thrusts me upon it that this man is the most damnable Heretick that ever was in the world and that since this Epistle was first writ 't was never so litterally and plainly fulfill'd in any person as in him this day Here the people fecht a deep sigh Hear the words again the two first Verses There were false prophets also c. I begin my Argument from those very words you inlisted on even denying the Lord that bought them the worst of Hereticks He that writ this book Ishmael c. even denyes the Lord that bought him You writ this book Therefore you even deny the Lord that bought you W. I deny the major S. I 'll read a few lines of it and then prove my major you write this against Mr. Townsend Minister of Norwich In your second page are these words Christopher Atkinson Iames Lancaster George Whitehead and Tho. Simonds now in Norwich Goal for their errors and miscarriages Thee Priest Townsend thou Dreamer thou Deceiver Witch O thou blinde Guide thou enemie of God without Christ and his knowledge and in Antichrist W Is the word Witch there S. Thou wouldst bewitch the people with thy lies p. 3. After these and many more such good words he comes p. 10. to speak against the B. Trinity and hath this passage p. 10. The Three Persons thou dreamest of speaking to Mr. T. which thou wouldest divide out of one like a conjurer are all denyed and thou shut up with them in perpetual darkness for the lake and the pit Here the multitude held up their hands and cryed God bless us S. See here he saith that he who asserts the three Persons in the ever blessed Trinity is a dreamer and a conjurer and that that man shall be damned with that Trinity Fox We do not deny God therefore we are no Hereticks Atheists deny God therefore they are Hereticks S. This man will be opponent again Atheists are no Hereticks F. Are not Atheists Hereticks S. No Atheists are worse then Hereticks but they are not Hereticks From these words in Whiteheads book now read I argue thus He who denies the three persons in the B. Trinity and calls him dreamer and conjurer who asserts them saying that a man who saith there be three persons in the Trinity shall be shut up with them in perpetuall darkness for the lake and the pit that man is an Heretick even denying the Lord that bought him But you G. Whitehead deny the three persons in the blessed Trinity c. Fox Here made very long discourse against the Trinity S. Beloved you see I let him speak all he can say I do not disturb them in their speaking as they do me I am willing to hear him or any of them speak all they can for themselves but I confess it grieves me to hear them speak against the B. Trinity and I had far rather hear them talk of somewhat else then make declamations against Almighty God I answer That nothing of this your speech is to the purpose What do you answer to the argument I repeat it again He who denies c. Fox run on in another discourse against the three persons S. I came not hither to hear you to repeat a deall of stuff out of Paul Beast who writ against the Trinity I came hither to dispute If you l answer my argument do If not say you cannot F. Prove that there be three persons S. I will F. But prove it out of Scripture S. I will so 1 Iohn 5.7 There be three that bare record in Heaven the Father the Word and the Spirit and these three are one F. Prove that there be three Persons S. I will Allen Prove them to be three Persons plainly without Logicall termes and vain Philosophy that we may all understand thee S. I will if the Father Son and H. Ghost be three hee s then they are three Persons but they are three hees F. What do you mean by three hee s S. Three things that may be pointed at he and he and he F. I do not like that argument S. I would fain give you an argument that you should like are you three Persons who dispute against me this day or are you not F. Yea we are three Persons t is plain S. Give me now any argument that pleaseth you to prove it and by the very same argument I le prove that there be three Persons in the B. Trinity F. We are in three places and therefore three Persons S. The Father Son and H. Ghost have been in three places and therefore are three Persons At the baptisme of Christ while Jesus came up the H. Ghost came down in the same moment one ascended out of the water the other descended to the water Matt. 3.16 17. And Jesus when he was baptized went up straightway out of the water and loe the Heavens were opened unto him and he saw the H. Spirit of God descending like a Dove and lighting upon him And loe a voice from heaven saying this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased In this verse is mention of God the Father in heaven God the Son coming out of the water and the H. Ghost descending on this side Heaven like a Dove F. Prove there were three persons S. I do it thus If Christ was coming up out of the water while the H. Ghost was coming down to the water then they were in severall places but Christ was coming up out of the waters while the H. Ghost was coming down to the water Therefore they were in severall places F. They have not flesh and bones as we have S. What then I did not promise to prove them to be men or you to be Angels or Gods but them to be Persons like you only in personality F. Persons have flesh and blood as you see we have S. I prove that all Persons have not flesh and blood If God should send this day three Angels from Heaven to prove the truth of Christian Religion against you who deny it and one of them should stand at one end of your meeting house another at the other end and a third in the midst preaching Would you not say that these three Angels were three Persons Yet they have not flesh and blood Speak would you say they are three Persons or would you not All stood mute at length one of them said that Angels are not Persons S. Till me what you mean by a person and I le prove that Angels are persons F. A person is a subsistence We three are three different susistences S. So are the Father Son and H. Ghost if they were in different places they must needs be different subsistences You see my argument stands firm notwithstanding your objection I pass to another