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A54120 The Christian-Quaker and his divine testimony vindicated by Scripture, reason, and authorities against the injurious attempts that have been lately made by several adversaries, with manifest design to rendor him odiously inconsistent with Christianity and civil society : in II parts. / The first more general by William Penn ; the second more particular by George Whitehead. Penn, William, 1644-1718.; Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723. 1674 (1674) Wing P1266; ESTC R37076 464,302 582

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that Resurrection Quickening Reviving Changing Translation do not signifie Creation therefore they are not applicable to the Dust of Bodies after Dissolution though both Resurrection and new Creation be to Renewed man Behold I make All things new New Man New Creation New Heavens and New Earth c. but this is a Mystery hid from corrupt Flesh so much contended for by our Present Opposers The rest of his Arguments and Doctrines are mostly very weak and ignorant about this Point yet comprehensively answered in this Book Here follow some Passages out of a Manuscript by W. B. against me with a Reply detecting his Ignorance in consounding the Carnal Body and the Spiritual W. B. INdeed If G. Whitehead hath found out a Body for Christ that is not a Carnal Body which implies only a Fleshly It is such a Body that I never read o●… in the Scriptures I would know what in Scripture is called the Body but the Flesh Now take but away the Flesh and where is the Body Aye but saith G. W. It is a spiritual Body as if a Body of Flesh and a Spiritual could not stand together This is his Great mistake The Apostle could have born his Testimony to this Truth that it is the Body of Flesh that shall be raised spiritual 1 Cor. 15. 14 43. It is sown a natural Body 't is raised spiritual here the Apostle still keeps to the Word It c. Answ. The Non-sense and Contradiction that may be gathered from these Passages is that Christ's Body is a Carnal Spiritual Body as if Carnal and Spiritual were both one or that the Spiritual Body that 's raised or given to the Seed is Carnal Let these Passages be kept in Record as the Baptists Doctrine and Testimony whereas the Apostle's own Testimony proves the Contrary and that W. B. has belyed the Apostle For 't is sown a natural Body it is raised a spiritual and there is a Natural Body and there is a Spiritual Body Here the Apostle clearly makes a Distinction and a Difference between the natural Body and the spiritual He doth not say 't is sown a natural Body and raised a natural or Carnal Body also but a spiritual Body as he also distinguisheth between the Bodies Celestial and the Bodies Terrestrial as those of Sun Moon and Stars differ from those of Men Beasts and Fishes Now you would count him a very blind Philosopher that should make no Difference but say they are all one and consistent or that the Bodies of Sun Moon and Stars were all one with those Earthly Bodies of Men and other Creatures and so blind and such Ignorant Divines are these Baptist's He understands not the Difference between the Natural Body and the Spiritual any more then if a Person should be so ignorant as when he sees the Sun or Moon or Stars To ask if these were not Men or Birds or Beasts or Fishes in the Firmament or on the contrary if he should see Men Beasts and Fishes to ask if these are not the Sun Moon and Stars or rather to conclude that they are because he knows not which are Celestial and which Teriestrial no more then this Baptist doth discern between Bodies natural or carnal and Bodies spiritual But how should he do other or see better while his Mind is so much upon Flesh and so little upon Spirit or so much upon Flesh and Blood which cannot inherit the Kingdom of God and so little upon that spiritual Birth or Seed that doth inherit the Kingdom of Glory and Peace And as for the Baptists Argument That the Apostle still keeps to the Word IT as It is sown a natural Body It is raised a spiritual or God giveth it a Body as it pleaseth him and to every Seed his own Body Reply How evident is it that as the Particle It is used as a Relative to both the natural and spiritual Body 't is a mutable It for that there is a natural Body and there is a spiritual Body which therefore are not the self-same the very Parable or Instance of the Wheat and other Grain may confute his Opinion herein For is it the very self-same Grain of Wheat that is in the Eare that was sown in the Ground Let the Husband-Men judge him herein To him we may say as the Apostle did in the same Case to such O Fool thou sowest not that Body that shall be c. 1 Cor. 15. And now the words It 's sown imply a Seed sown in order to a sprouting and bringing forth Increase Upon which it may be queried if that Body of Man to wit that of Flesh Blood and Bones that 's laid in the Grave or drowned in the Sea or devoured by Fire and some by Beast's c. be the Seed that the Apostle intended to which God giveth a Body as it pleaseth him yea or nay If it be answered in the Affirmative then what Body is it that God giveth to it as it pleaseth him If it be answered in the Negative that overthrows the Baptists Doctrine of the same Flesh Blood and Bones c. which W. B. has not distinguished from a spiritual Body THE RESURRECTION Future Glory and Felicity of the SAINTS Further asserted according to the Holy Scriptures Discovering How far short of the true Vision Sight or Revelation thereof our present Opposers are in their gross Thoughts and Traditional Conjectures Being An Examination of Thomas Danson ' s Arguments and Doctrines about the Resurrection Future State and Glory of Believers in his Synopsis THe Resurrection as plentifully asserted in the Scriptures is not in the least question'd by us however we be unjustly censur'd for denying it Therefore there is no necessity of his Argument to evince that which as he saith the Scripture is so plentiful in asserting of nor doth he evince it according to the Scriptures but varies from them as will appear His Argument If the Bodies that have done Good or Evil must receive their Reward accordingly then the same Bodies that dye must rise again But the Antecedent is true therefore the Consequent Answ. This Argument both Antecedent and Consequent appears neither clear nor grounded upon Truth as it placeth an Eternal Reward upon the Body for its temporal Acts in putting the Body on this account for Man that hath acted therein who must receive the things done in the Body 2 Cor. 5. 10. The meer Terrestrial Body being neither the Subject reteining Perpetual Love or Enmity to God nor is it the Original Cause of Good or Evil Actions therefore not the Object of eternal Love or Wrath but Man in his Spiritual Existence or Being as spiritually and suitably organized as it pleaseth God to receive the things done in his Body according to what he hath done whether it be Good or Evil proper and natural to the Image he bears which the Soul carries along with it out of the Earthly Body or House that turns to Dust But see the Proof of his Antecedent That
it is unworthy the Name of true Men. I will believe succeeding times may have out-done them in Debauchery but I can never think unless better inform'd that any Age hath so much as equal'd them in a Treacherous Hypocrisie though that I may be just several among them were not wanting to express their utter Abhorrence of such Procedure which hath thus far aggravated the others Apostasie that they were worse treated then such that were reputed their Publick Enemies as if not to be Treacherous had been to be Dis-affected concerning which I refer the Reader to the first and second Narratives printed in the Year 1659. Certainly it was now time that God should arise and that his Enemies should be manifest who under the Splendidst Shew of Reformation that almost any Age for 1400. Years could parallel had Crucified the Holy Life of Religion stifling the Spirituality thereof by reform'd Formality empty Shews and meer tinckling Cymbals of Sin-pleasing Doctrines And their Primitive Tenderness being worn off by Time and Preferment none grew more Superstitious and Persecuting then those who once seem'd most averse from it I charitably forbear the mention of particular Persons In short Pride Self-Seeking and Self-Establishment in Glory Wealth and Worldly Prosperity having undermin'd the Worthy Honesty that was at first stirring in the Hearts of some of them Behold a Glorious but Empty Trunk of Profession as lofty as the Jews themselves pretending to be Children of Abraham and Heirs of the Promise yet Servants to Sin Christians by Imputation but not by Qualification saved in Christ though lost through Sin in Themselves pray by the Spirit yet their Duties unholy Things Behold Babylon in one of her best Trims But it was at this time serious Reader when Religion was so much talk'd of and so little practis'd that it pleased the Eternal Wise God who is unsearchable in his Goings to appear and manifest the Knowledge of Himself by a Way contemptible to the World as indeed when did he otherwise shewing himself first to Shepherds and Men of mean Rank whose outward Abilities were as incapable to gain Applause from Men as their Meanness to invite them Men Plain and Simple who desired of long time above Worldly Treasure they might be acquainted with the true unchangable Way of God All the Religion they were taught of Men or the strength of Memory could collect from Books joyn'd with their own Simplicity and Zeal was not able to overcome the Enemies of their Souls for whose Redemption God appear'd and they often groan'd in secret being truly willing to undergo any cross that might but help them to this Knowledge after which they had daily thirsted more then for appointed Food Thus that no Flesh might glory in his Presence did the Almighty God according to his many Precious Promises break in upon the Spirits of a poor despised People by his terrible Power which caused the old Foundations to shake and begat holy Terror and Dread because of the Glory of his Majesty who had reveal'd Himself Judgment overtook for Sin and Righteousness was laid to the Plummet and a true Scale was erected wherein all the Profession in the World was lighter then the Chaff which is blown away of the Tempest This Day of Judgment for Sin and Consumption upon all the pleasant Pictures of Religion that Tradition Education or Imagination had drawn in the Minds of Men they were constrain'd to Declare and the very Utterings thereof were astonishing both to Professors and Prophane For being Witnesses of a nearer thing then an Out-side Religion however refin'd in which the whole World was adulterated from God and that the Time of the Kindling of the Indignation of the Lord God Almighty was come because of Iniquity and Unrighteousness that cover'd the Earth as the Waters cover the Sea which made the Controversie Essential Not to consist about exterior Order Church-Government or meer Articles of Faith But that Inward Principle of Righteousness which reduceth the Soul to the Heavenly Order and that Faith which overcomes the World Therefore in the Name of the Lord and by the alone Arm of the Almighty did several of these poor Men go forth into Towns Citties and Countries proclaiming the Day of the Controversie of God with Men by the pleadings of his Holy Light Power or Spirit in their Hearts and Consciences decrying all Notions of Christ above Possession calling the lofty Cedars to bow and the sturdy Oakes to bend before the Heavenly Appearance of the Lord by his Light within that all Knowledge of God not gotten through inward Judgment and Experience of the Operation of his saving Hand was accurst of God And that as the Earth of Wickedness in Mens Hearts should be consum'd by the Refiners Fire so the Heavens of lofty Knowledge should by the fiery heat thereof be wrapt up as a scrole that a new Heaven and a new Earth in which dwelleth not IMPU●…ATIVE but Real Inherent Everlasting Righ●…ousness might be known to be created by the Word of God nigh in the Heart I say these Men alarming the Nation with the Sound of this harsh and terrible Trumpet who had taken so long a Nap in Pleasure Ease and Fleshly Religion caused very strange and differing Apprehensions Some prickt to the very Heart cryed out What shall we do to he saved whilst the Wolf and the Fox lay in wait to intercept the blessed Work of the Lord by several wayes of Cunning and Cruelty The Priests who were degenerated as well as the People basely Teaching for Hire and Divining for Money The best accounted of them making Bargains how much a Year to preach the Gospel as they call it and so is it to this Day like Foxes seeing their Kennel found out into which they had so long hid their Prey and fearing that the Turning Men to the Light in the Conscience and their so resolutely Testifying That no Man could be at Peace with God who went condemn'd thereof and that all Knowledge of the things of God which hath not been received through the holy Subjection of the Creature to God's Heavenly Appearance Within him for whatever may be known of God is manifested within saith the Apostle was above the true Teacher and the Sufferings of the Cross of Christ They posted to the Magistrates Saul-like with whole Packets of Lyes Slanders and Invectives on purpose to beget a Wolf fish Nature in them to put a stop to the Progress of this blessed Manifestation of the Eternal Light of Righteousness but the Exercise of a Merciless Power Some few would not be prevailed upon but the Generality seeing their Worldly Honour and which to some of them was dearer their beloved Easie Religion was struck at Root and Branch they as an Arm'd Man furiously employ'd their Strength to the Relief of the Priests and Subversion of these poor Men Some were Imprison'd others Whipt several Bruised not a few Murther'd and many Robb'd and Spoil'd of their Goods And that
to Absolve him Thus preserved in so great a Business the Duty both of a Judge and Friend but from the Act I receive this Trouble that I fear it is not free from Perfidiousness and Guilt in the same Business at the same time and in a publique Affair to PERSIVADE OTHERS CONTRARY TO WHAT WAS IN MY OWN JUDGEMENT BEST Of his Apophtegms or Sayings these few are delivered to us by Laertius He said Providence of Future Things collected by Reason is the Vertue of a Man Being demanded wherein the Learned differ from the Unlearned he answered In a Good Hope What is hard To conceal Secrets to dispose of Leisure well and be able to bear an INJURY therefore said Chilon to his Brother I CAN BEAR INJURIES THOU CANST NOT nor Tho. Hicks I am sure sor he is Angry where he sustains none HIS WATER HAS NOT WASHT HIM SO CLEAN AS THE LIGHT DID CHILON III. The Precepts of the Seven Sophists of Greece in general THALES SOLON PERIANDER CLEOBULUS CHILON BIAS and PITTACUS called seven Wise Men collected by Sosiades about 2300. years old FOLLOW GOD Obey the Law WORSHIP GOD Reverence thy Parents Suffer for Justice Know thy self Consider Mortal things Respect Hospitality Command thy self Honour Providence USE NOT SWEARING Speak well of that which is Good Disparage none Praise Vertue Do what is Just Abstain from Evil Instruct thy Children Fear Deceit Be a Lover of Wisdom Judge according to Equity Curb thy Tongue Examine without Corruption Do that whereof thou shalt not Repent When thou hast sin'd be Penitent Confine thy Eye Perfect quickly Pursue what is profitable Be in Childhood Modest in Youth Temperate in Manhood Just and in old Age Prudent THAT THOU MAYST DYE UNTROUBLED Thus far the Wise Men which were therefore so call'd because of their Extraordinary Vertue and truly deserved the Name of Christian and Vertuous more abundantly then they who have it IV. PYTHAGORAS very truly tells us The Discourse of that Philosopher is Vain by which no Passion of a Man is Healed What serves the much Preaching of T. H. J. G. and J. B. then who have not yet Cured themselves All which is determin'd to be done should aim at and tend to the Acknowledgment of the Deity Endeavour not to Conceal thy Faults with Words but to Amend them by Reproof This is the Principle saith Pythagoras and the whole Life of Men consists in this THAT THEY FOLLOW GOD and this is the Ground of Right Philosophy Purity is acquir'd by Expiations and by Refraining from Murder and Adultery and ALL POLLUTION We ought either to be Silent or to speak things that are better then Silence Temperance is the Strength of the Soul for it is the Light of the Soul clear from Passion It is better to Dye then to cloud the Soul by INTEMPERANCE ●…ythagoras returns not Reproaches for Reproaches Tho. Hicks and John Bunion Reproach when they are not Reproached Behold the Difference betwixt an Heathen and two Scolding Christians but therefore no True Christians V. ANAXAGORAS held That CONTEMPLATION OF GOD was the End of Li●…e and that Liberty which proceeds from such Heavenly Meditation To one who blam'd him for neglecting his Country WRONG ME NOT said he MY GREATEST CARE IS MY COUNTRY pointing to Heaven Suidas saith That he was cast into Prison by the Athenians for Introducing a New Opinion concerning God and Banisht the City though Pericles undertook to plead his Cause Josephus saith That the Athenians believing the Sun to be God which he affirm'd to be without Sense and Knowledge he was by the Votes of a Few of them condemn'd to Death However thus they writ upon his Grave as Englisht by T. Stanley Here lies who through the truest Pathes did pass O' th World Celestial ANAXAGORAS Which was an high Testimony to his Good Life and their Belief of his arriving at Immortality VI. SOCRATES Right Philosophy is the Way to True Happiness the Offices whereof are two To Contemplate God and to Abstract the Soul from Corporeal Sense To do Good is the best Course of Life Vertue is the Beauty Vice the Deformity of the Soul Nobility is a good Temper of Soul and Body The Best Way of Worshipping God is to Do what he Commands An hard Saying to Professors Our Prayers should be for Blessings in general for God knows best what is good for Us. GOD CONSIDERS INTEGRITY NOT MUNIFICENCE This judgeth Formal Christians with their Exterior Worship The Office of a Wise Man is to discern what is Good and Honest and to shun that which is Dishonest They who know what they ought to do and do it not are not Wise and Temperate but Fools and stupid Of all things which Man can call his the SOUL to be Chief and that HE ONLY IS TRULY HAPPY WHO PURIFIETH THAT FROM VICE He taught every where That a Just Man and a Happy Man were all one He said He wondred at those who carve Images of Stone that they take such Care to make Stones resemble Men whilst they neglect and suffer themselves to resemble Stones He meant they had Stony Hearts as the Prophet expresseth it Being demanded who live without Perturbation he answer'd THEY WHO ARE CONSCIOUS TO THEMSELVES OF NO EVIL THING Being demanded whom he thought Richest he answer'd Stob. 40. HE WHO IS CONTENTED WITH LEAST for Content is the Riches of Nature Being demanded what CONTINENCE is he answer'd GOVERNMENT OF CORPORAL PLEASURES Good Men must let the World see THAT THEIR MANNERS ARE MORE FIRM THEN AN OATH Then there is a State of Integrity above Swearing that by the Light Socrates had he preferred before Swearing as I may again observe But to proceed let us hear the Charge of his Enemies and his Defence Melitus Son of Melitus a Pythian accused Socrates Son of Sophroniscus an Alopecian Socrates violateth the Law not believing the Acities which this City believeth BUT INTRODUCING ANOTHER GOD. HE VIOLATES THE LAW LIKEWISE IN CORRUPTING YOUTH THE PUNISHMENT DEATH The Charge is the same to this day Good Men are made Offenders for a Word Soon after Anytus who caused that Bill to be preferred by Melitus in that Socrates industriously assay'd his Overthrow and the Rest of his Comical Associates for they were Comedians sent privately to him desiring him to forbear the mention of his Trade and assuring him that he would thereupon withdraw his Action But Socrates return'd him Answer THAT HE WOULD NEVER FORBEAR SPEAKING TRUTH SO LONG AS HE LIVED That he would alwayes use the same Speeches concerning him That this Accusation was not of Force enough to make him refrain from speaking those things which he thought himself before oblieg'd to say Again observe his Resolution It is likely God in his Love to me hath ordain'd that I
Man which obey'd supply'd then with dayly Wisdom and Strength and finally led to God And also were more Just to their Faith by a Life excelling theirs in Vertue and Self-Denyal And certainly in that Great and Terrible Day when God will judge the Secrets of Men by Jesus Christ according to Paul's Gospel will such Pious Gentiles who knowing God they Glorified him as God and Conscientiously did the Things contain'd in his Law be finally Acquitted and Rewarded CHAP. XV. That the Heathens had a Sight of the Coming of Christ. That and not Swearing prove the Sufficiency of the Light OVer and above what I promised being rather willing to Err on that End if yet it be Erring I shall briefly observe two things greatly importing our Defence of the Light and the Satisfaction of our Adversaries if it be true that they query to be satisfied 1. That the Testimony of Socrates and Xenocrates about Swearing sufficiently prove to us that by the Light they had they saw a State above Swearing or a Righteousness excelling that of the Legal Jews which manifestly corresponds with what Christ said who above Four Hundred Years after them taught as what Purely became the Evangelical Righteousness SWEAR NOT AT ALL. 2. That though their Light did not tell them the express Names Christ should be called by yet they Fore-saw and Prophesied of his Coming and how he should come of a Virgin and what both he was and the Work he came to do which the Names given of the HOLY GHOST did strictly import or signifie Neither is it the knowing so many Letters Syllables or Words that gives true Knowledge or Salvation but the Experiencing him to be that which he is and wherefore he is so denominated for to that End came He into the World Christ signifies Anointed with respect to that peculiar Manifestation Jesus a Saviour for he should save his People from their Sins Emanuel which is to say God with us c. that in this Sense he was Prophetically held forth by the 〈◊〉 through that Measure of Light they had Hear Plato and Virgil. Marcil Ficinus who writ the Life of that Great Gentile tells us among many other things that Being very seriously askt by some that visited him as the last thing they had a Mind to be informed about HOW LONG MEN SHOULD ATTEND TO HIS WRITINGS Of which he seem'd so cheery Living and Dying in the Belief of what he recommended to the World He solemnly answer'd TILL THAT MORE HOLY AND DIVINE PERSON SHALL APPEAR TO VISIT THE WORLD WHOM ALL MEN OUGHT TO FOLLOW At once both believing such a one to appear and then forbidding all to prefer that lesser Discovery he had given the World through the Improvement of his Talent of Light to that greater Manifestation which that Divine Person would bring with him into the World as if he had said Mine may help you with respect to that Knowledge which is your Duty in this Generation and so direct to him that afterwards shall come but I am not He neither do I believe this the most excellent Discovery that can be made but as the lesser Light may point to the greater and is at last swallow'd up of it so can I only point at him and when he is come all I have done must yield to him for I declare that all ought to follow him for in following him they will obtain Eternal Blessedness Let us now see what Virgil will add to this Matter as translated in Eusebius Jam nova Progenies Coelo demittitur alto Now is from Heaven high Descend'd a new Progeny And in his Bucolicks Sicelides Musae paulo majora canamus Ye Muses with a lofty Wing Let us of higher Matters sing And what be they Ultima Cumaei venit jam Carminis aetas Who lives this Age will clearly see Cumea's Vers's accomplisht be This Cumea so called of her City was a Sibyl who liv'd about 600. Years before Christ and prophesied of him Virgil writ these Verses about Forty Years before Christ was born I query if the Jews themselves had so positive a Sence of the Messiah's Coming But to proceed Magnus ab integro seclorum nascitur Ordo Jam redit Virgo redeunt Saturnia Regna Th' Integrity of Times shall now renew again A VIRGIN also shall bring back old Saturn's Raign This is a direct Prophecy of the Marvellous Conception that he should be born of a Virgin and the Good that would redound to the World thereby as he further addeth Tu modo nascenti Puero quo ferrea primum Desinet ac toto surget Gens aurea Mundo Cast a fave Lucina Hoc duce si qua manent sceleris vestigia nostri Irrita perpetua solvent formidine terras The Birth of that most happy CHILD by whom The Iron Age shall end and Golden come Chast Lucina favour HE SHALL THE POWERS OF WICKEDNESS DESTROY AND FREE THE WORLD FROM FEAR AND ALL ANNOY Yet again Ipsae lacte domum referent distenta Capellae Ubera nec magnos metuent armenta Leones The Goates shall bring their Udders Milk-fill'd home And th' gentle Flocks great Lyons shall not shun Yet further Ipsa tibi blandos fundent cunabula flores Occidet Serpens fallax herba veneni Occidet Assyrium vulgo nascetur amomum Thy Cradle fairest Flowers shall send forth still Which shall have Power THE POYSONOUS HEARBS TO KILL The SERPENT HE SHALL TO DESTRUCTION BRING Assyrian Amomum shall each where spring Hinc ubi jam firmata virum te fecerit aetas When thou shalt attain at length To Years of Manhood and firm Strength Now let any tell me if this be not a most Pathetical Account of the Vertue and Power of Christ and the very End of his coming into the World as by a Comparison of it with Scriptures in the Margent will plainly appear Et durae quer●…us sudabunt roscida mella From the hard Oak there shall Sweet Hony sweat forth and fall To Conclude Cedet ipse mari vector nec nautica pinus Mutabit merces omnis feret omnia tellus Non rastros patietur humus non vinea falcem Nec varios discet mentiri lana colores Sponte sua sandix pascentes vestiet agnos O mihi tam longe maneat pars ultima vitae Spiritus quantum sat erit tua dicere facta The Sea shall then be quiet no Ship shall range Abroad her Wares with others to exchange Then every Land shall every thing produce And then to plow the Earth they shall not use Vines by the Hook shall not be rectify'd Nor Wool with divers Colours shall be dy'd Fair Fleeces voluntary shall proceed And clothe the Lambs while they do gently feed O might my Dayes be lengthned so that I Might sing of thy great Deeds before I dye Thus to say no more though much more might be said of this kind have Heathens by the LIGHT we have been hitherto
Seed in any or Christ's Arising who doth appear reveal himself and arise in the Souls that believe in him to raise them also up with him yea and that which the Father hath given him he will loose nothing o●… it but raise it up at the last Day And if you do not come to know a Righteous Seed raised up in you and Truth to spring up out of the Earth and to witness Christ to be your Resurrection and Life you remain dead in your Sins and short of the Glory of this Resurrection But in witnessing Christ to be the Resurrection and the Life unto us we do not assert that it is only the Seed or Christ in us that doth arise as is vainly imagined but we are revived and do arise in and with him as those that have believed in his Name as he said I am the Resurrection and the Life he that believeth in me though he were dead yet shall he live and he that liveth and believeth in me shall never dye wherein he doth not take notice of the putting off of the earthly Body or Cloathing as his dying or Death And as in Adam all dye even so in Christ shall all be made alive but every man in his own order Christ the first Fruits afterward they that are Christ's at his Coming and this is not to exempt Man from the Benefit of the Resurrection nor to say That Christ and the Light within is sown Natural Mortal and Corruptible as T. H. most malitiously and falsly accuseth us by way of Question as asserting Blasphemy To which he farther adds that we intend the Resurrection of something past and witness in our selves What is Falsehood and Deceipt if this be not p. 61. And further saith Thus do you undermine the very Foundation of Faith Hope and Holiness of Life like Hymneas and Philotus 2 Tim. 2. 17. who said the Resurrection is past already To which I answer first What we witness in ourselves of the Resurrection it is this Man 's horrible Blasphemy to call it Falsehood and Deceipt for that we do witness to Christ as being the Resurrection and the Life revealed in us so far as we have a living Knowledge of him and Experience of being by him raised up from Sin and Death that came by it in order to attain to a future Glory 2dly 'T is a Gross Slander that we either intend or say like Hymneas and Philotus that the Resurrection is past already for that it is not yet as to Man compleatly we are not yet raised to what we shall be as namely to that Fulness of Glory and absolute Joy and Tryumph which shall be incessantly possest after our Labours and Sufferings are ended and our Earthly House dissolved for the more we are drawn up into absolute Spirituality the more capable we are of that full Fruition of an eternal Weight of Glory in the Heavens in order to which let us be Spiritually minded and walk in Holiness of Life while here in our earthly House As also we cannot hold that the Resurrection is past already while we or any of us are suffering with Christ and travailing in order to attain unto the Resurrection of the Dead that is perfectly to be raised up with Christ who is the Resurrection and Life in some Degree at least of all that truly believe in his Name and Power Neither is this to undermine the Foundation of true Faith Hope or Holiness of Life while we confess Christ to be that Foundation But to argue for Sin and Imperfection term of Life and so to put off being Perfect till in Heaven as this Opposer hath done this is repugnant to the Foundation of living and purifying Faith and Hope and so excludes Holiness of Life howbeit he thinks to arrive at Heaven with the same Carnal Carcass or Corruptible Cask he now beats about with him only he thinks it will be new drest up and polisht after it is turned to Dust But the greatest Miracle is that it must not be Created a new nor a new Created Body and unless we grant him this he reckons our Religion a meer Cheat calculated only to the Service of the Devil and our own Lusts and that it denies any Eternal Advantage and therefore be opposeth the Christian to the Quaker p. 62. And what is the Marrow of his Matter for this severe Conclusion upon us But First he accuseth us of a palpable Denyal of all future and distinct Beings and Existences after Death pag. 62. which is a palpable and notorious Untruth for as we confess to the distinct Beings of Angels in Heaven so we confess the future distinct Beings and Existences of the Saints and Children of the Resurrection that in the World to come they shall be AS the Angels of God yea They which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that World and the Resurrection c. They shall be equal unto the Angels and are the Children of God being the Children of the Resurrection Luk. 20. 36. And what Bodies have these Angels of God Terrestrial or Celestial Carnal or Spiritual let that be considered 2dly The Man 's other Pretence is If the Soul be a Part of God Divine Infinite as before and returns into God being God it cannot miscarry he saith His Abuse concerning this hath been answer'd before both in this Treatise and in my Book of the Nature of Christianity And it was never asserted by us either of the Soul of Man or of the Spirit or Existence of Man or the Creature which may vary in its Affections to Good or Evil according to the Power that acts Man Neither can it be conceived in Reason but Envie that any of us should look upon the Infinite God to be Divisible into so many Parts or Particles as there are Entities or Existences of Men yet that there is an Infinite Life Principle or Seed in the Soul of every Man This we confess as that by which the Soul immortally subsists in its being and therefore this may be counted the Soul or Life of the Soul for without this the Soul of man could not subsist in an Immortal Capacity And this I and divers others can testifie that G. F. did not intend or asscribe either Immutability Infiniteness or Divinity to the meer formed or created Spirit Soul or Being of Man but to the divine immediate Inspiration or Breath of Life flowing from God himself who inspired into him an active Soul and breathed in a living Spirit Wisd. 15. 11. whereby Man became both a living and reasonable Soul indued with Rational Intellectual and Spiritual Parts 3dly I know no other Reason he can pretend for his Charge against us and our Religion as a Cheat and as denying an eternal Advantage but that we do not own his gross and carnal Sense of the Resurrection though it be none of our Phrase to say in these general words That the Body perisheth forever but hereby he plainly implies man's Incapacity of an