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A20517 A reply to M. Nicholas Smith, his discussion, of some pointes of M. Doctour Kellison his treatise of the hierarchie. By a divine Divine.; Lechmere, Edmund, d. 1640?; Kellison, Matthew. 1630 (1630) STC 6929; ESTC S109712 163,687 351

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kingdom_n 41._o and_o by_o this_o m._n nicholas_n be_v answer_v to_o all_o that_o he_o bring_v in_o the_o 8._o number_n for_o that_o all_o he_o there_o allege_v in_o commendation_n of_o religious_a order_n prove_v only_o that_o regulars_n be_v worthy_a and_o eminent_a member_n of_o the_o church_n for_o their_o sanctity_n and_o perfection_n of_o life_n but_o not_o that_o they_o be_v of_o the_o hierarchy_n in_o that_o sense_n as_o s._n denys_n take_v the_o hierarchy_n because_o as_o regulars_n they_o be_v not_o to_o govern_v the_o church_n nor_o to_o preach_v and_o minister_v sacrament_n but_o only_o as_o bishop_n or_o priest_n if_o they_o be_v so_o and_o m._n nicholas_n shall_v know_v that_o ove_z may_v be_v a_o saint_n yea_o and_o a_o design_v and_o resolve_a martyr_n and_o yet_o not_o be_v of_o the_o hierarchy_n in_o this_o sense_n as_o if_o he_o be_v a_o lie_v man_n or_o a_o lay_v brother_n and_o so_o it_o be_v not_o grace_n nor_o merit_n nor_o mortification_n nor_o perfection_n 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