ldinge a drawne sworde and he went nere to him and sayde art thou oures or our aduersaries who answered noe but I am a prince of the host of our lorde Iosue fell flatt downe to the grounde and adoreinge he sayd what speaketh the lord to his seruant loose sayth he thy shooe from thy foote for the place where in thou standest is holy And he did as he was commaunded Loe here the Angell not onely adored to the grounde but also the ground it self nere where he stoode duely reuerenced for respect of him Protest pos To the Angelles and Saintes in heauen is due no other honoure or reuerence then ciuil THE EYGHTETH CONtrouersie Of prayer to the holy angells and saintes in heauen Catho pos TO pray to the Angelles or saintes in heauen doth not derogate anie whitt at all from our sauiour Christ his office of mediatoure Proofe 1. S. Paule prayeth to the RomaÌ„s in this sorte I beseeche you brethren by our lord Iesus Christ and by the charitie of the holy ghost that you helpe me in your prayres for me to god The like he hath to the Ephesianes cap. last v. 19. the first to the Thesalo cap 5. and elles where often But if the prayer to saintes on earthe do the not derogat from the mediatorshipe of Christ certes the prayers made to them in heauen cannot Agayne Iacob prayed to his good Angell in this sorte The Angell that deliuereth me from all euilles biess these children Catho pos The saintes in heauen doe heare our prayers and vnderstande our perticuler estates ther fore it is not idle or in vaine to pray to theÌ„ as thoughe they did nether Proofe They are as the Angelles of god in heauen They are equall to the Angelles but the Angelles Knowe our particuler estates see that you dispise not one of these little ones saith our sauiour Christ For I saye vnto you that they re Angells in heaueÌ„ doe alwayes see the face of my father which is in heauen yea they knowe our secret thoughts I saye to you there shal be ioye before the Angelles of god vpon one sinner that doth pennance The saintes haue power ouer nationes to rule them therfore doe they know they re estates He that shall ouercome and keepe my wordes vnto the ende I will giue him sayth our sauioure power ouer nationes and he shall rule them with a rodd of Iron Catho pos 3. God doth somtymes heare accepte the prayers of his seruaÌ„ds or saintes for a nother man wheÌ„ he will not heare that man prayinge for hymselfe therfore is it profitable to praye vnto them God sayd to Eliphas the Themanite my surye is wrothe against thee and thy two freindes Take therfore vnto you seauen oxen and seaueÌ„ RaÌ„mes goe to my seruande Iob and offer holocaust for your selues and my seruande Iob shall pray for you his face I will receaue that the folly be not imputed vnto you They went and did as our lorde had spoken to them and our lorde receaued the face of Iob. Our lord also was tourned at the penance of Iob wheÌ„ he prayed for his freindes Againe Pray one for a nother that you may be saved for the coÌ„tinuall prayer of a iust man auayleth much I alledge not the fathers testimonie for prayer to saintes they beinge confessed by the learned protestantes to haue taught that Doctrine namely Fulke saythe In NaziaÌ„zen Basile and Chrisostome there is some mentione of the inuocatione of saintes to help vs with theyr prayers The like he confesseth of Ambrose Austine and Hierome So that wee see the doctrine of the Greke and latin churche in this pointe by the coÌ„fessione of one of our seuerest aduersaries to haue bene 1200. yeares agoe the same with the doctrine of the present churche of Rome Protest pos To praye to the saintes or Angelles in heauen doth derogate from the office of mediatour of our sauiour Christ 2. The saintes in heauen doe not heare our prayers nor know our particuler estates or necessities and therfore is it in vayne to pray to them 3. God doth neuer accepte of the prayers of his saintes offered for another man when he doth not accept of the same mans prayers for him selfe THE NINTH CONTROuersie of holi Reliques Catho posi 1. God doth honor the Reliques of saintes by working miraculouse thinges by them to his owne glorye the honoure of the saintes the benefit of man and the edification of his churche and therfore are they to be honoured and reuerenced by faithfull Christianes Proofe 1. There were brought from his S. Paule bodye napkins and hand kercheeses vpon the sike and the diseases departed from them and the wicked spirites went out 2. They did bringe forth the sicke into streetes and lead them in beddes and couches that wheÌ„ Peter came his shadowe at the leaste might ouer shadowe anie of them they all might be deliuered from there infirmities 3. Certayne persones buryinge a man sawe the rouers and threwe the bodie in the sepulcher of Eliseus which when it had touched the bones of Eliseus the man reuiued and stoode vpon his feet For the testimonie of the fathers in this pointe I wil onely alledg S. Augustine whom vnâ—ess our aduersaries dare condemne both of erroure in Iudgment and falsitie in historie they must needes confess that holy reliques in his tyme were had in great and publique honoure and reuerence The reader that desirethe to see or heare himself speake must be content to turne the booke himself for this wordes to this purpose are ouer Proâ—ix to be inserted in this briefe treatise The Doctrine and practise of ancient churche is soe euident in this pointe that Chemnitins a renowmed protestant is forced to write in this sort Of translation of riliques followed the caryinge them about in processiones as is mentioned by Hierome against Vigilantius And by Augustine when in the translatione of the reliques of Steuen à blinde woman receaued her sight Lucilius the Bishope streyght ordayned the carieing abont of the Reliques of Steuen And be cause sometimes certayne miracles were done at the reliques all per soÌ„neâ— in any iÌ„firmitie or necessite what soeuer rann to them Augustine mentioneth that flowers and otherthinges Ambrose that garmentes cast vpon the sepulchers or cofines of martyres were caried by Christianes as defenses and preseruatiues froÌ„ euill They did think that the martyres them selues were present with they re ashes Nor did they call vpon god onely but the very martyres did they inuccate at they re reliques and thinkinge grace and heauenly vertue to reside in they re bones by prayer and other worshippe did they seeke them at reliques As Basile discoursethe vpon the Psalme 115. Nor did they seeKe theyr onely corporall cures but did imagine that spirituall graces as holiness and charitie was giuen and creased by tovching and Kissing of liques as Nyssenus doth gloriouslie â—eache of Theodore the
in the doctrinâ— of the Apostles and in the communication of the breakeing of bread praiâ— Loe here communion vnder onâ— kinde For this breakinge oâ— bread was the ministringe of thâ— holy sacrament Agayne And the first of the Sabothe whâ— we were assembled to breakâ— breadâ— This S. Augustine vnderstand etâ— of breakinge bread as in the SacrameÌ„t of Christ his body so that it appearethe the practice of the Apostles to minister the Sacrament to the people in one kinde onely Protestant Position 1 It is forbidden in holy Scripture to giue the holy communion to the lay people vnder one kinde onely 2 It is commaunded in holy Scripture to giue the holy coÌ„munion to the lay people vnder both Kindes The lay people haue wronge done them in that they are a bridged of the Sacrament vnder both Kindes therby receauinge less benefit then yf they receaued it vnder bothe OF THE SACRIFICE of the Mass Catholique Position THere is in the newe lawe a Sacrifice truly and properly so called to wit the holy mass wherin is offered the body and blood of Christ Proofe 1. Our Sauiour Christ gaue Power and commaundement to his Apostles and all Preistes to doe that which he did in his last supper Sayinge doe this for commemoration of me But our sauiour Christ in his last supper sacrificed his body and blood vnder the formes of bread and wine therfore the Apostles and all preistes haue now power and commaundement to offer the same sacrifice which is not done but in the holy Mass That our sauiour Christ sacrificed in his last supper is proued thus Christ was and is for euer to the ende of the world a preist accordinge to the order of Melchisedeche whose priesthood coÌ„sisted in offering bread wine Melchisedech kinge of Salem bringing forth bread and wine for he was the Preist of god most highe therfore it is euident tha tour Sauiour was to offer some tyme in the same forme which he neuer did but in his last supper where though he offered his body and blood sayinge this is my body wich shal be giuen for you this is my blood which shal be shed for you yet did he performe this vnder the forme of bread and wine accordinge to the rite or vse of Melchisedeche his sacrifice 2. I haue no will in you sayth the lorde of hostes and gift I will not receaue of your hand For from the riseinge of the sunne euen to the goeinge downe great is my name amonge the gentiles and in euerie place there is sacrificinge there is offered to my name a cleane oblation This prophecie is not fulfilled but by the sacrifice of the mass This is the sacrifice sayth S. Augustine by the Preisthoode of Christ accordinge to the order of Melchisedech seeinge we now see it to be offered to god in all places from the riseinge of the sunn vnto the settinge therof And many other fathers in like sorte whose wordes we canot here rehearse studyinge to be breif But for the Doctrine of the most auncient fathers in this point I will taKe the confessione of Caluin Saiynge thus It is an vsuall thinge with these knaues soe modest is this newe Apostles to rake together whatsoeuer ys vitiouse in the fathers Therfore when they obiect the place of malachi to be expouÌ„ded by Ireneus of the sacrifice of the Masse The offeringe of Melchisedech to be see handled of Athanasius Ambros Augustin Arnobius it is breifly answered the same writers else where to interpret also bread the body of Christ but so ridiculusly that reason and truth causeth vs to dissent Thus M. Caluin but whether he be not ridiculus rather then these fathers lett the indiffrent reader iudge Protestantes Position In the newe lawe is there not anie sacrifice truly and properly nether is the mass à sacrifice of the body and bloode of our sauiour Christ OF CONFIRMAtion Catholique position COnfirmatioÌ„ as it is practised in the Catholique Roman churche is truly and properly a Sacrament of the newe lawe Proofe It is a sensible signe giueinge grace therfore a Sacrament Then did they impose theyr handes vpon them and they receaued the holy ghost wherof sayth S. Cyprian They that in Samaria were baptised of Philip because they had lawfull and Ecclesiasticall baptisme ought not to be baptisedanie more But onely that which waÌ„ted was done by Peter and Iohn to witt that by prayers made for them impositione of handes the holy ghost might be powred vpon them which now also is done with vs. that they which in the churche are baptised by the rulers of the churche offered and by our prayers and imposition of handes receaue the holy ghost and be signed with our lordes seale Agayne It is to little purpose to impose handes vpon theÌ„ to receaue the holy ghost vnless they receaue the churches baptisme For then may they be fully sanctified and be the Children of God if they be born by bothe Sacramentes And S. Augustine the Sacrament of Chrisme in the kinde of visible seales is sacred and holy euen as Baptisme it self Protestant Position Confirmation as it is practised in the RomaÌ„ churche is not truly properly a Sacrament of the newe lawe Of Pennance Catholique Positions 1. Pennance consisting of contrition confession and satisfaction of the penitent and absolution of the preist is truly and properly a Sacrament of the newe lawe Proofe It is a visible signe or ceremonie as appearthe by the confession of the penitent and absolution of the preist it remitte the synnes therfore giueth grace Receaue you the holy ghost whose sinnes you shall forgiue they are forgiuen them And whose sinnes you shall retaine thei are retained Of this power of remittinge synnes S. Chrisostome saythe thus For they that dwell one the earthe that conuers in it to them is coÌ„mission giuen to dispense those thinges that are in heauen to them is it giuen to haue the power which god would not to be giuen nether to Angells nor Archangells For nether to them was it sayd what soeuer you shall bynde in earthe shall be bound in heauen and whatsoeuer you shale lose in earth shall belosed in heaueÌ„ The earthly Princes in deede haue also powre to binde but the bodies onely but that bonde of preistes which I speake of toucheth the veâ—â— sâ—ule it self reacheth euen to the heauenes in so much that whatsoeuer tâ—â— preistes shall doe be neathe the self saâ—â— god doth ratifie aboue and the sentence 〈◊〉 the seruantes the lord doth confirme Fâ—â— in deed what ells is this theÌ„ that the power of all heauenly thinges is graunted them of god whose sinnes soeuer saith he you shall retaine thei are retaineâ— what power I beseeche you can be greater then this Haueinge thus proued the power of preistes to remit synnes And the protestantes confessingâ— contrition which they call repentance it remaynethe that I proue the other two
a speeche directed to S. Peter and to no other of the Apostles containing charge to feede as a shepherde doth his sheepe all christes flok whithout exceptioÌ„ so vnderstood by S. CipriaÌ„ sayinge To Peter our lord after his resurrection sayde feede my sheepe and builded his churche vpon him alone and to him he gaue charge of feeding his sehepe By S. Chrisostome he gaue him S. Peter the primacie gouernment of the churche thrughe the whol world which is aboue all he sheweth him to haue loued our lord more theÌ„ All the Apostles sayinge Peter louest thou me more theÌ„ these Our sauiour sayth to S Peter Thou art Peter vpon this rock wilâ— I builde my churche Note that accordinge to the Greke Siriake text these wordes sound thus thou art a rocke and vpon this rocke I wil builde my churche which is also the true seÌ„se of the vulgare latiÌ„ Here did our sauiour christmanifestly promise to S. Peter souerayntie ouer his churche For the foundation is to à buildinge the same that the heade or prince is in a kingdome or common wealth Thus doth S. Epiphanius vnderstand these wordes sayinge Our lord him selfe hath constituted him S. Peter the first of his Apostles the firme rocke vpon which the churche of god is built To these wordes also manifestly alludeth the holy generall councell of Calcedon in the sentence of coÌ„demnatione against Dioscorus sayinge Leo the most holy blessed Archebishope of great and auÌ„cient Rome by vs and by this preseÌ„t holi synode together with the thrise most blessed and all prayse worthye S. Peter whoe ys the Rock and very topp of the Catholique Churche he which is the foundatione of true faithe hathe spoyled him Dioscorus of all episcopall dignitie Our sauiour sayth to S. Peter I will giue to thee the keyes of the kingdome of heauen wher is also most clerely signified S. Peter his preheminence in godes churche For none hath the gouernement or commaundemeÌ„t of the Keyes of any towne or citie but the prince or gouernour of the same that soueraygne power is signified by the Keyes it is proued by that of our sauiour Christe I haue the keyes of death and hell That is the rule and prower ouer deathe and hell And agayn Hee that hath the Keye of Dauide he that shuteth and noe man openeth S. Peter practised the authoritie of supreame pastoure in declaringe Iudas to haue fallen from his Apostleship and proposinge another to be chosen in his roome Peter risinge vp in the midest of the brethereÌ„ sayd as foloweth S. Chrisostome vnderstaÌ„dinge it so saythe How feruent is he how he acknowledgethe the flocke committed by christ how he is prince of this company and in euery place begineth the first to speak His supremicie was acknowledged by S. Paule goeinge to Hierusalem to see him Then after three yeares I came to Hierusalem to see Peter S. Chrisostome vnderstandeth it so sayinge Peter was the mouthe of the Apostles prince and topp of that companye therfore also Paule goethe vp to see him beside the others Catho pos â— The Pope or Bishope of Rome is the law full and lineall successoure of S. Peter in that charge and office which our sauioure gaue vnto S. Peter ouer his churche militant Proofe The power which our sauioure gaue to S. Peter ouer his churche militante was giuen him as likewise the power giuen to other Apostles to the consuÌ„mation of the saintes to the edifâ—nge of the bodye of Christ vntill we all meete in the vnitie of saith knowledge of the sonn of god as S. Paule testifiethe and therfore to continue in the churche soe longe as the churche is to continue which is also prooued by that Vpon this Rocke will I build my churche and by that feed my sheepe for so longe as the buildinge of the churche coÌ„tinueth or the flock of christe is to be fed which will be to the end of the world so long must the rock wherupon the churche is built and the pastours who must feede the shepe continue But this cannot be in S. Peters personn therfore in his successoures see S. Augustin his wordes before in that positione that the true churche can neuer want a lawfull personnall successione of pastores vpon these wordes of the psalme 44. For thy fathers are borne sonnes to thee And S Chriso who saith why did oure lord shed his blood surely to redeeme those sheepe the cure wherof he commited to Peter aÌ„d also to his successoures Now that the Bishope of Rome is the lawfull and lineall successoure of S. Peter is as authentically and euidently proued as that Lewis the 13. of France is lineall successoure to Hughe Capet or his maiestié of Ingland to wiliam the coÌ„querour S. Ireneus Optatus S. Epiphanius and S. Augustin doe deriue the successione of the bishopes of Rome from S. Peter vntill the bishopes that liued â— theyr tymes Besides Eusebius or S. Hierosme Prosper and all such as haue written the cronicles of ecclesiasticall affayres doe not omitt to continue the Bishopes of Rome vntill theyr owne dayes And soe wel is this successione knowne that M. Fulke sayethe wee can coumpt it on our fingares And S. Augustine doubteth not to saye that the succession of preistes from the seat of Peter to whom our lorde after his resurrection commended his sheepe to be fed vntil that present Bishopp held him within the lapp of the churche Protes pos 1. S. Peter was not by our sauiour our Christ constituted supreme head and soureygne pastoure or Bishop ouer his churche militant 2. The Pope or Bishope of Rome is not lawfull and lineall successoure to S. Peter in that charge and office which our sauiour gaue to S. Peter ouer his churche militante THE SEAVENTH Controuersie of the honoure due vnto the holy Angells and Saintes in heauen Catho pos 1. TO the holy Angelles and saintes in heauen is due more then ciuil honoure and reuerence Proofe 1. To mee thy frendes ô god are exceedingly honorable loe here Dauid beinge â—inge auowethe that the frendes of god are greatly to be honoured by him Certes not with ciuill honoures for suche he ought not to them he beinge kinge and the frendes of god beinge all those that doe the thinges he coÌ„mauÌ„deth as our sauiour testifiethe of what condition or degree soeuer 2. where this Gospell shal be preached in the whole worlde that also which shee hath done shal be toulde for a memorie of her Loe here an exeeding honoure decreed by our sauiour him self to S. Marie Magdaleyne where is to be noted that this is coÌ„mauÌ„ded to be done in memorie of her in like manner of speeche as our sauiour commaunded the holy misteries to be celebrated in memorie of him 3. Iosue beinge in the feild of the citie of hiericho saw a man staÌ„dinge against him how