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A96895 A just account of truth and peace, given-in by brethren, lovers of and fellow-helpers to both, wherefore they must open their matters to the view of the world, speaking them, in their respective places, as upon the house-tops, which else had been spoken in darknesse privately, and as in the eare. Woodward, Ezekias, 1590-1675. 1656 (1656) Wing W3493; Thomason E868_5; ESTC R207686 17,576 27

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brothers booke he saw clearely That the Tenets your brother holds-to there are the pillar and ground Free Admission of all to all Church-Communions beareth upon The very Tenour it holds-by vvhereupon vve saw it clearely our dutie for vvee vvere questioned about it and not our Pastour so what he undertook and hath don it was upon the account of Truth and for our sakes after we had done our worke in order to your satisfaction to returne unto it againe and to make a distinct Worke or Treatise of it And hereof we gave you and him intimation in our Epistle to you and in that other to him and his fellow-brethren as also in our first Treatise by an insertion there And all this that we might doe as becommeth all things according to the Gospell Rule and right order vvee made tender of our booke againe and againe that hee might have the fight of it for vvee vvould rather offend our selves than him or your selfe or any good man But upon what account he and you best know it was refused And so after two moneths expectation and then a flat deniall together with somewhat more you wott off We ceased as in point of good manners it was fit for us to doe for vvhat could we say or doe more Indeed we know not we saw our papers that were sent returned with contempt and more They might fare the worse for their Authour For the counsell is seldome loved if the Counseller be not though yet Truth is lovely what ever the Speaker bee The other three vvee prepared we offered and yee refused them We say againe vvhat could we doe more and being fully resolved we have done full-up to our duty our Pastour willed us to tell you farther That whereas he purposed his said bookes and that said Treatise the sixt in order should see the light not before the Authour thereof be carried to the place of Darknesse That then his bookes may speake for the way of Truth fellow-walkers therein and helpers of the same so monstrously opposed now adayes and for the vindication of that he We are taught to vindicate our Credit when the Truth is wounded through the sides thereof accounts better than riches when his body must be laid in the place of Silence For why may it not be hoped at least why not endeavoured That when his body is laid to sleep in the Dust of Death his Name may rise from the Dust of Debasement however the will of the Lord be done But so he intended and fully purposed in his heart then and not till then to send that and other Treatises abroad into the world But observing some signall providence This 1 That Mr Hs pleadings for free Admission c. should be so pleaded for by a Minister of the Gospell and Steward in His house a leading man and a Carrying man with the most of the professors in the County he lives-in And this after foure Worthies of the Lord have stood up in the might of God against him speaking so much and so clearely from the Holy Scriptures to that point of non-admission of all that it had been enough to stop the mouth of the Devill Preface to B. Cat p. 68. himselfe which one said of an eminently learned and godly man asserting the Truth against gain-sayers 2 And nextly to say the least and as little as can be The defaming of many Ministers and people round about him 3 And which pinches and presses yet more if more can be your pointing us to your Son's handy-worke in his Treatise of Prayer specially the Lords Prayer where he chargeth the Rev Authour with Blasphemy upon Blasphemy here one and there another and there a third for this and that and the other But 4 specially for Truths-sake and the way of Holinesse which as is conceived suffers much herein through the spewings you have given too just an occasion to be cast thereupon he will endeavour his utmost to give all that will a sight of all that is written making this Assuance withall to his Reader First That how evilly-soever he is spoken off and dealt withall yet he can doe nothing against the Truth but in desire and endeavour all he possibly can for it the promoting of the same in the hearts and lives of Gods people And 2 That they who are helpers together with him of That Blessed thing shall be helped by him to the utmost of those abilities his Lord and heavenly Father is pleased to Communicate to him And he is perswaded That This God Whom he hath Trusted will as He hath done hitherto so to th' end help both him and them And in the last place This he added more That rather than he would in the least greive the Least of the Lords little ones knowingly he would his tongue should cleave to the roof of his mouth rather and his pen to his Fingers ends That his hand should fall off from his arme and his arme from his shoulder-blade We come now to the fourth and last and Then we have done SECT VI. 4. SO we give you Sir to know That our Pastour with our selves have taken full notice as you willed us of your Sons handy-worke in the Margent of that Treatise our Pastour hath written about forms of Prayer and in speciall the Lords-Prayer whereof you were more than an occasion or causa sine quâ non we have as we were sayiug well observed your Sons Charge of blasphemy there And Truely had it not been your Son whom we have knowne so well we had wondred at it Besides he is but young a youth-full Man Yet these words may fit very well An evill time sure sad things are comming The Child shall behave himselfe proudly against the Auncient and which aggravates the fault we thinke the Son shall doe this the Father standing-by and giving allowance to it and which might in some mens thoughts highten it to a Crime the father of the Childe a Minister of the Gospell allowing his Son so dealing with his fellow-Minister and little lesse than boasting of it if not glorying in it when it was so done Your owne acknowledgement Sir Mr Ford and Mr Owen with your selfe were at your Sons Elbow at least he was within the sound of your words which were these Take heed Son what you write that it be no more than what you can Answer I 'le warrant you for that said he Say we should you have taken his warrant being so youthfull a Man and knowne so to be Say you for we make bold to question you about this matter though were vve as much above you in place as vve are below you we would not be so bold with you as you know who was vvhen the Childe offended in the presence of the Father he excused the Son à tanto if not à toto and laid all the blame upon the Father and gave him a box on the eare withall suffering the Childe to doe a thing so unbecomming in the
to all as pleaseth Him and is All in All. O that we did not cast so much about us for a looke of favour from a man of high degree and could more looke unto God for His favour who lookes after His people following them with His eye upon them Psal 34. 15. that is will deale well with them Jer 40. 4. and best of all at the last Wee Trust the Lord is every Day instructing us to this Discretion so as we shall be daily lesse in our selves and more in God And then let the weake say we are strong And they that are strong out of Him O that they did know how weake they are or if strong their strength will be their Confusion SECT IV. SEcondly There is another thing we would speake unto a little that we may give satisfaction to others for you can receive none from us and we as little from you You enjoyned us to give you an account of our way why it is not the same with yours which is the same with the man so often mentioned This now we have done according to the Talent or two mites rather the onely wise God hath entrusted us with in all Godly simplicity And now you returne to us againe and againe That we have said very much but little or nothing to purpose or concludingly And That another might have said much more and to more purpose in foure lines than we have done in foure Treatises And so say wee too for there is such a naturall power in our hands that we could have said very little and yet lesse to the purpose But yet Sir we will not blame your little nor should you we thinke so much blame our much Onely we take leave to tell you our Pastors words for though we doe not yet you and he stand upon a levell That he was young and now is old yet from his childhood to this very day still versed amidst papers all his dayes he never saw so much thronged together in so little roomth so little and so much so little to the heart he beleives of every truely godly man so much to the heart of the wicked who love to have it so even as men of your way and perswasion would have it Justifying Mr H in every line and reproaching the footsteps of the Lords anointed we had almost said in every word relating to that Controversie The one cannot be without th' other he that doth th' one doth both That 's all wee were ordered to tell you but from hence we will conclude in our owne behalfe First That it is not the muchnesse that displeaseth but that it is much against the graine of our spirits And then be it little or much it is all one it much displeaseth But suppose that much which is spoken is much after the graine of our Spirits why though there be not a graine of Salt in it Yet how pleasing is it as wine and strong drinke is to the pallate of our bodyes and as greedily taken-in as Mr Hs Bookes are to the heart of all the most vile and abominable in the Land or as that grasse is to sheepe which rotts them More and more of that which is sweete said Chrysostomes hearers as hee tells us more and yet more of that though it choake us when a little of that which is Crosse-grained to us as Truth is doth not a little displease us It is not how much or how little but how it goes with or against our Spirits This renders it much or very little displeasing So we are concluded And Secondly Thus we would conclude also That though All you and we have spoken is but in words yet we doubt not and you may hope the same of us Your Eare and Endeavour was to speake more than words else they are nothing but winde And then as one saith He that hath spoken but one such word hath spoken too many by one Yet Thirdly In reference to a multitude of words charged upon us we grant that there may be plenty of words but scarcitie of matter and there may be plenty of matter in few words Some have the skill of it to speake much in a little to contract as it were the Spirits of a point in to a few words and so can give you much in a little a large matter in a narrow Compasse But could wee skill of this thing vvee vvould not shew it in our matters vvhich tend to informe them that are as weake to apprehend as hard and slow to understand as vvee our selves are not able to apprehend that which is couched and drawne-up so close together Much may be spoken to us in a little but vvee understand but little in much All are not able to drinke Spirits but must have them infused into and incorporated with larger discourses and perticular demonstrations We as all they that are the same with us Babes in Christ must have line upon line and precept upon precept that is a multitude of lines and precepts In a word Better The Grammarian should blame us than that the people not understand us was the old saying and may plead our excuse as was hinted in our Epistle to you vvhence it was That when you expected our Answer in seaven lines we could not doe it in lesse than seaven Treatises And yet we expect not our matters should finde acceptance for the muchnesse or length thereof nor yours perhaps for the scantnesse or shortnesse of it You and vvee must subscribe to this Truth in Reference to our matters Right perswasion proceedeth not so much from the Power of the speaker as from the disposition of the hearer if he be averse from that he heares or his eare be forestalled speake you much or speake you little it 's all one you had as good speake to a mill-post and bid it move and turne to you And so much to that Objection SECT V. THere is a third thing you mention to us wherein vve vvould give you what satisfaction vve can before wee come to that wherewith vvee vvill conclude 3. Our Pastour is invited by you to tell Mr Ford in a Letter to him his exceptions against some passages in his booke for Infant Baptisme that he may cleare them in his next impression which vvee vvish heartily he may doe if possible to be don Sir we will not guess at your Reason why you desire our Pastour to deale vvith your Brother by Letter You know Sir he alwayes declined this Contest nor could he be perswaded to have medled in these matters but that wee were questioned by your selfe about them And so he standing in that Relation unto us he could not doe lesse than what he hath don and doe his dutie so then to proceed You may remember how fully and clearely vvee dealt with your Brother and your selfe in this matter Thus it was to repeate things againe so soone as our Pastour east his eye upon the 78 and so forward to th' 83 page of your