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A85548 The shipwrack of all false churches: and the immutable safety and stability of the true Church of Christ. Occasioned: by Doctour Chamberlen his mistake of her, and the holy scriptures also, by syllogising words, to find out spirituall meanings, when in such cases it is the definition, not the name, by which things are truly knowne. Graunt, John, of Bucklersbury. 1652 (1652) Wing G1594; Thomason E674_21; ESTC R207205 29,575 28

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any other title to the Doctours purpose In the second place he continues his speech to his persecuting enemies which I hope upon second thoughts he doth not understand to be his Church In the third place he graciously informs and confirms his faithfull servant Phillip in the Mystery of his Divinity as of his Humanity and that his words are the works of God but not a word in the Doctours meaning And in the 24. verse as he speaks of them that love him so he speaks of them that hate him whom to affirme to be his Church is to blaspheme her And in the last place John 5. 19 30. the Lord speaks of himselfe as distinguishable from the Father and also declareth the hypostaticall union of both Natures Humane and Divine The true meaning of these Scriptures being thus considered shewes plainly that his doctrine and their intention were at a vast distance for it is far from their meaning that the Church of Christ may play the Harlot and of pure become base and unclean because they testifie that she is so long to last and continue holy even every member of her his body as Jesus Christ her head is to be Christ who was yesterday and to day and for ever And s●ving your learning Sir this doctrine sheweth that you are still tainted with the old leaven of corrupt Popery and Arminianisme which will be more manifested when I come to shew what the true Church of Christ is indeed discovering thereby your fancie more particulerly and exactly Another conclusion that he would teach the people was That his Church was a Baptized Church and had the true marks of a true Church which is the true Preaching the Word and the true administration of the Sacraments as he calls them Here the Gentleman is at a losse also and beats the air as before and that which he saith is to as little purpose his terms not being cleared to what sense he means from their various ac●eptations But the truth is his owne meaning by Baptisme is but that which is outward that any man may bear witnesse to that is present as he affirms in page 23. So then his Baptisme is of the same nature as his Church is both carnall the inside foule as Simon Magus his heart was not right in the sight of God his estate naturall and miserable in the Gall of bitternesse and in the bond of iniquity yet washt and cleansed without Where doe you read in the Scriptures that the Churches of God true spirituall Christians did ever brag and boast of the fleshly and carnall parts of the Ordinances of the Gospel as you have done No they see those are shaddows elementary representations and say that it is not Baptism in the flesh that saves not but the Baptism of the heart the heart sprinkled from an evil conscience and the body washed with pure water by this spirituall Baptisme men are saved So also they affirm that 's not Circumcision that is in the flesh but that is Circumcision that is of the heart in the spirit and not in the Letter inward spirituall and heavenly Baptisme And this Circumcision is that which Gods Church glories in and not the outward that Divells may participate of as well as Saints But the Doctour fears not to avouch that the washing with the Old Ford or Thames water and the like places is that Baptisme which the Scripture in a speciall sense speaks of by which men are regenerated because he maketh it the true mark of the rue Church Indeed this is the opinion of the stupid obdurat hard-hearted Jews and Papists and of most carnall Protestants in which they are all alike But as the true Church of Christ is spirituall so is her Baptisme and so are her fruits and manifestations her marks and seals by which she is distinguished from all other Churches that are false as when I come to establish the truth shall be cleared But the Doctour further affirmeth that their Baptized Churches have the true Preaching of the Word and he thinks himselfe to be none of the meanest amongst the rest and therefore in the first place and in the behalf of all the Baptized Churches as he calls them we will examine his owne true Preaching of the word as he affirms in page 24. That his Church and all other Baptized Churches baptize such as shall be saved according to Mark 16. 16. because as he saith they are beleivers and repenters Again saith he they that Baptize such as confesse with their mouth the Lord Jesus and beleeve in their hearts that God hath raised him from the dead Rom. 10. baptizeth such as shall be saved But baptized Churches baptize such as confesse with their mouth the Lord Jesus and beleeve with their hearts that God raised him from the dead therefore baptized Churches baptize such as shall be saved This professed workman for want of true understanding to divide the word aright hath from his own mouth eternalized his own shame for want of a clear and true distinction in the same terms that have divers meanings And that his folly may the more be manifested we will ingeniously consider the Scriptures the first we read thus He that beleeveth and is baptized shall be saved Now to find out the true meaning hereof two terms of necessity must be opened for one and the same term admitting of divers meanings in Scripture that sense must be distinguished from all others of like nature that is properly and only intended in that place Now for the term Faith it hath divers significations in the Scripture somtimes it is referred unto God somtimes unto men when unto God then it implyeth or intendeth nothing else but the sure and certain unalterablenesse of his promise and decree If unto men then it signifieth and intendeth either the doctrine of the Gospel it selfe or their faithfulnes that declare it or else some speciall gifts which the Spirit of God indueth his servants with now of such gifts there are but three sorts that bear the name of faith Somtimes the knowledge and certain understanding of the truth of Gods word is called Faith which for distinction sake may be called and that truly The Faith of knowledge or Historicall Faith which Faith although all the Saints under the Scriptures administration of the Gospel have yet it is not peculiar to them alone but common to all perishing Christians such as the Doctours Church consisteth of and may abundantly exceed in yea even Sathan himselfe The second gift of the holy Ghost is that by which any one miraculously doth such things as causeth admiration in the beholders exceeding naturall effects and is often in holy Writ called by the name of Faith and so may be denominated Miraculous Faith But with this gift the unholy may more excell then the holy men of God for John the Baptist did no Miracle but Iudas the Traytour did many in which gift of Faith the Priests and Juglers of Rome were famous as
other place saith speaking in the meaning of the Lord The word is nigh thee saith he even in thy mouth and in thy heart That is or this is the word of faith which we preach the word or Covenant of Promise That is whoever by vertue of the New Covenant the Word or Statute of life the Covenant of Grace shall be born again and shall Beleeve in his heart and confesse with his mouth the Lord Jesus as before is shewed he shall be saved for such a one is the Child of salvation Now Doctour see how you have wronged these Scriptures by making the first a ground of a long discourse of Philosophy in declaring to the people how in the improvement of naturall Faculties first the Judgement is informed then the Will consenteth and accordingly the Affections are exercised I tell you the truth Doctour I was ashamed of your Doctrine and that made me speak though you returned me a scoffe And when your wisdom led you to shew us the meaning of the Apostles tearms Believing and Confessing by a Sillogisme without distinguishing the meanings that were of divers significations in the Word of God I was so bold as to tell you before all the people your Argument was fallacious and tended to deceive because the tearms were dubious and then you scorn'd and despis'd me again And according to these corrupt Expositions are all the rest of your Arguings whereof except you prevent me by your speedy repentance I shall make a publick Anatomy to the view of the World and Subscribe my Name Your Friend John Graunt SIR I Received a thing subscribed with your Name full of Basket-hilted words and quarrelsome phrases to provoke me to a challenge as I suppose about Mr Cranfords Dispute at Mr Webbs and in Justification of your uncivill behaviour there which not I but your own party rebuked The businesse concerns Mr Cranford and how you should come to interest your selfe in it I know not If Mr Cranford be pleased to resigne it to you under his hand I shall accept it If any thing else lye upon your stomach you may signifie what it is and you need not doubt of a reasonable Answer from June 30. 1652. Peter Chamberlen London th●●● of July 1652. SIR YEsterday I received a Letter from you dated June 30. 1652. which Antedated the last from me of the 3d Instant which had you seen before you had written this I suppose your mind would not have been as here is expressed for therein you might have understood no carnall quarrelling nor provocation to fleshly challenges nor vaine and uncivill expressions of basket hilted words nor any private naturall mans suppositions but a clear plain and earnest contention for the doctrine of faith once delivered to the Saints clearly discovered and not dissembled nor counterfeited minding more the spirit of faith by which Gods Servants are inabled to speak then this or that mans busines And a Child of truth that hath his right or interest therein they hear they receive they understand they beleive the voyce of their shepheard but a strangers voyce they will not they cannot they may not hear and receive and of the same nature was yours as I have signified twice before At this time I shall deal only with you I speak not of others and mind no such resignation as you speak of but a vindication of the truth of God from you withholding it in unrighteousnesse and pray for your repentance to become truths Friend truly and plainly to distinguish between Divinity and Philosophy and of terms also to preserve differing proprieties and the contrary lyes on my stomach undigested Yours John Graunt SIR THe last night late I met with a more civill Letter of yours and surely therein you shall not outdoe me Wherefore now taking all your a Reproaches of me as done out of Zeal and Conscience I can willingly passe them by and endeavour to satisfie you in whatsoever you may make a scruple as far as the Lord shall enable me In your Letter July 2d you say he that affirmeth that to bee the Church of Christ which is not wrongs the Lord c. And he that gives any other meaning of the Scripture then what the holy Ghost intendeth hurts and wounds the truth of Gods Testimony c. To both these I b assent Let us therefore see whether I be the man that have blasphemed as ye say and I shall not dare to maintain it I shall also desire you in the like candour to lay these Rules to heart and examine your selfe You say I affirm her that is True Durable and everlasting to be fading and framed with untempered morter and that to be the meaning of Christ Matthew 16. 17. and of the Apostle Rom. 10. 9 10. which was never meant nor intended by them which if I were guilty of I confesse your accusation Just Let us therefore speak of them both apart First of the first wherein we must first endeavour to bring your words to your meaning or your meaning to your words For if it c relate unto the first Rules set down it is a kind of contradiction The Rule intimating the making of a false Church to appear as a true the other the making of a true Church to be as a false But if you mean two severall things then I suppose your rule would infer an imputation on me of having maintained our Church to be the Church of Christ which you say is not so and your Church not to be the Church of Christ which neverthelesse is so For surely you mean not that ever I affirmed the Church of Christ to be fading and framed with untempered morter but rather that such Churches which were so fading and framed with untempered morter are not the Churches of Christ Now that whereby we aver our selves to be the true Church of Christ is by keeping the d pure Ordinances of Christ according to his word and if you think otherwise you should instance in any perticular On the other side we say that yours is not the true Church of Christ because you keep not the true Ordinances of Christ according to his word And we instance in Baptisme and the Lords Supper and could instance in more Now this we doe not for any Spleen or Malice for I say the same things to my best Friends but that I might provoke you and them to examine your selves exactly by the Word of God and forsake the Traditions of men As to the Scriptures mentioned Mat. 16. 17. The word it seems saith it was the Father that revealed it to Peter and not e flesh and blood which thing I brought to prove that the knowledge of Truth commeth not by Flesh and Bloud but by Revelation from God And Rom. 10. 9. 10. was no whit clouded or disparaged by the Philosophicall Discourse of f Experience as you suppose since David Psal. 19. 104. c. and Christ himselfe is