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A01299 A briefe confutation, of a popish discourse: lately set forth, and presumptuously dedicated to the Queenes most excellent Maiestie: by Iohn Howlet, or some other birde of the night, vnder that name Contayning certaine reasons, why papistes refuse to come to church, which reasons are here inserted and set downe at large, with their seuerall answeres. By D. Fulke, Maister of Penbroke Hall, in Cambridge. Seene and allowed. Fulke, William, 1538-1589.; Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610. Brief discours contayning certayne reasons why Catholiques refuse to goe to church. 1583 (1583) STC 11421; ESTC S102704 108,905 118

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fellowes why hée discenteth from them Last of al concerning the charge which is giuen to Gods people To goe out of Babylon c. Least they bée partakers of her punishments which he citeth Apoc. 18. is diligently to be considered For if we may finde in the Scripture what is Babylon we know from whence to flée The holy ghost therfore before he gaue this charge did first plamely describe the whoore of Babylon the mother of all abhominations of the earth to be y t City which hauing seuē kings or states of gouernment in succession is situated vpon seuē hilles to be that great Citie which in that time of the Reuelation had the kingdome ouer the kings of the earth which by all reason and consent of the most auncient writers Irenaeus Tertullian Hierome Augustine c. Can be none other but the Citie of Rome wherfore the spirite of God commaunding his Saints to goe out of Babylon doeth not bid the Romanistes to goe from Protestants but contrariwise the Protestants to goe from the Romanistes The sixth Reason THE sixth cause why a Catholike may not come to churche is because he cannot come without dissimulation The which in matters of conscience and religion is treacherie to God Almightie and a very dangerous matter For as the worthie father S. Ambrose saith It may be lawfull sometimes in a monie matter to holde thy peace but in gods cause where there is danger in communicating with his enimies to dis semble only is no small sinne The reason whereof is that sore saying of Christes owne mouth He that is not with me is against me As though hee had saide Hee that dissembleth and knowing me and my cause to be oppressed holdeth his peace and defendeth mee not I will holde him in the number of my enimies that are against me According to the which rule of Christ S. Iohn which well knew the inward and secrete meaning of Christ speaking of certaine noble men and gentlemen of Iury. The which did beleeue in Christ but durst not confesse him openly for feare of the Iewes Condemneth them of a great and damnable mortall sinne against the first commandement for the same saying that by this act they shewed that they loued the glory of men more then the glory of God By the which example we see that we do wilfully dishonor God and con sequently commit damnable treason against him when wee doe for any feare or temporall respect dissemble our faith hold our peace against our consciences The which thing Saint Paul considering he layeth down vnto vs a generall rule Ore fit confessio ad salutem To be saued we must needes confesse our faith by mouth or open speeche vppon the which wordes S. Austen saith We cannot be saued out of this wicked and malignant worlde except we indeuouring to saue our neighbours besides beleeuing doe also professe our faith by mouth which we beare in our hearts the which faith of ours wee must prouide by godly and wary watchfulnesse that it be not in any respect hurt or violated by the craf tie subtiltie of Heretikes Note his admonition let it not be in any respect violated with craftie subtiltie As for example by causing a man to yeelde a little against his conscience to goe once to churche to stay but a little there to haue seruice in his owne house or the like In the which if a man might say as commonly they doe say in euil meates that a litle wil do but a litle hurt it were more tollerable But seeing the matter standeth as it doth in poysons wherof euery litle dram wil be thy bane No maruel though men shew thēselues more scrupulous Heare the iudgement of a whole cleargie in the Primatiue church and alleadged by S. Cyprian the Martyr of Christ Whereas the whole misterie of faith is vnderstood to consist in the confessing of the name of Christ he that hath sought false sleights for excuse thereof hath nowe denied it and he that wil seeme to haue fulfilled such statutes and lawes as are set foorth against the Gospel in so doing he hath obeied them in very deed For asmuch as he woulde haue it seeme that he hath obeied them Heere you see nowe all dissembling of our faith taken for denying our faith and al seeming to be condemned for doing The which that old valiant champion of God Eliazarus ful wel knewe when he rather chose to die then to seeme to eate a peace of flesh albeit he did it not in deede cōtrary to the law of god And the reason hee giueth for it is this It is not fitte for our age to faine O good Eliazarus if it were not fit for thy age to faine or dissemble in matters of religion what shall wee say of our age wherein for manye respectes wee are more bounde too confesse our Lorde and Maister and his catholike Religion then thou wert For that wee haue receiued more benefites at his handes and ha●…e seene howe hee confessed vs before his enimies and ours and could not be brought by any feare or torment to denie vs. Bu●… well their wil bee wicked men and dissembling christians stil Yet notwithstanding Gods law must stande set downe by Christe his owne mouth Hee that shal blush or be ashamed of me and my sayings of him shall the sonne of man be ashamed when he shall come in his maiestie and in the maiestie of his Father and o●… his holy angels Hee doeth not onely say if we do denie him but if wee doe blushe or be ashamed to confesse him whiche consideration made the Apostles and other seruantes of Christe so peremptorilie to proceede in confessing openly their faith with what danger soeuer it were And S. Paul giueth a reason of it when he saith 〈◊〉 be vnto me except I do preach the gospel That is except I cōfesse it except I set it forth what danger bodily soeuer come thereof And in the Actes of the Apostles the high Priestes and Magistrates commaunded not the Apostles to bee of their religion nor yet to come to their seruice in their sinagogues but onely to holde their peace And that they shoulde not speake or teache any more in the name of Iesus But the apostles vtterly denied to obey that cōandement and in the chapter folowing being taken again for not obeying were asked in open iudgement by the Magistrates thus We commaunded you straightly to teach no more in this name and how chanseth it that you haue filled all Ierusalem with this doctrine And Peter answered with the rest of the Apostles Wee must rather obey God then men As who should s●…y that if they shoulde haue graunted to dissemble and not to speake openly they shoulde haue denied God in obeiyng men more then him What if the high Priestes and Magistrates shoulde haue saide vnto them wel wee are content that you liue with your conscience so you
a man to ioyne him selfe with them especially in the acte wherin principally they offend God which is in their assemblyes seruices false teachinges and preachinges at which times GOD his curse is lyke most abundantly to discende vpon them vpon thosealso that doe assiste them For as S. Paule saieth They are worthy of death not onely that doe euill but they also which do consent vnto them And that thou maist not excuse they selfe and say I am there in body but I consent not to them in hart S. Iohn expresseth farther what it is to consent vnto them or to communicate with them in their workes saying Hee that saieth as much as God speede them doeth communicate or participate with them in their noughtie workes Which thing the Prophet Dauid knew well and therefore sayde that hee would not so much as sit downe with ●…uch men and obiecteth the contrary fault to a wicked man saying When thou sawest a theefe thou wast content to runne with him Hee doeth not accuse him you see for stealing with him but for going or runninge with him and for keeping him companye albe it he consented not to his robberie And S. Paule commaunded Timothy not to consent to Alexander the Hereticke but to auoyd him Likewise he commanded the Romaines not to consent to other such like fellowes but to decline or turne away from them Finally saint Paules wordes are generall and playne of al such men when he saith Hereticum hominem deuita Auoid an Hereticall man He saith not goe to church with him but beleeue him not o●… consent not to him in thy heart This is our interpretatiō foisted in therby to boulster vp our owne dissimulation wherein wee presume farther then wee shall bee able one day to iustifie As that foolishe Prophet did which being sent to preach in Schismatical Samaria but not to eate with them ventred farther then his commission and by perswasion did eate with one whoe sayde him selfe to bee as good a Prophete of GOD as the other as the Protestantes doe saye them selues to bee good Catholykes but this venturous Prophet was slaine by God for his labour It is verye perillous to bee amongest the enemyes of GOD. If Lot hee had stayed but two houres longer in Sodome hee had dyed with the rest The terrible death of al them which were in cōpany with those three rebellyous Schismatiques Chore Dathan and Abyron ought to moue vs muche of which number it is to bee thought manye were simple and ignoraunt men and had little parte of m●…lyce and noughtie meaning of their ringeleaders but yet for companyes sake all peryshed together The which example S. Cyprian applyeth to our purpose asking of vs if these men so peryshed for beinge onelye in company with those Schismatiques Are not wee affrayde to bee much more punished saieth hee assisting and furthering by our presence hereticall oblations prayers sermons and errours S. Iohn the deerely beloued of our Sauiour had as much cause to presume of his masters fauour as wee haue and yet hee durst not soe muche as staye in the bath to washe together with Cerinthus the heretique For so hee sayeth Let vs flee from hence least the bath fall vppon vs in the which Cerinthus the enemie of trueth is M●…rke how he was not only affrayd least the bath woulde fal but also least that it should fal vpon him for keeping the other companie What if anye Prince shoulde haue willed S. Iohn to haue come to Cerinthus his seruice prayers and sermons If the histories reporte that the Apostles and their Disciples woulde not so much as talke or reason the matter with anye of the heretiques of their time but fledde their companie for feare least some parte of their punishment shoulde lyght vppon them what wise man nowe will dare to goe to their prayers and assemblies To conclude I would wishe euerye man to consider the admonition of the Angell of God to christians talking of all wicked congregations vnder the name of Babylon And I heard an other voyce from heauen saying goe out my people from her to the ende that you bee not partakers of her sinnes and to the ende you doe not receaue of her scourges because her sins are come vp to heauen and God hath nowe remembred her wickednes Marke how he saith To the end that you do not receiue of her scourges And yet it is certaine that the people of God did not consent in heart to the wickednesse of this place which they are bidden h●…reto flee but on ly were present there and yet wee see how dangerous it was to them to bee partakers 〈◊〉 the punishment 〈◊〉 God of his goodnesse had not remo●…ed them out The fifth Reason THe fift reason hée calleth in the Margent participation but in the text hee setteth it downe in these wordes The fif●… reason wherefore a catholike may not goe to the churche of those of the contrary religion is for feare least his presence may bee interpreted of God to be consent vnto their doing and so he be made partaker of their punishmente If the doings of the Protestantes in their Church were naught the Papists comming to it might bée partakers of their deserued punishment not by interpretation of their presence to bée consent whiche it is not but by pretending and dissembling to giue consent in outwarde presence whiche they giue not in their inwarde conceit For it is a prophane and vngodly imagination 〈◊〉 ascribe vnto God the interpretation of a fact to bée other then the minde of the doer meaneth it seeing the Lord knoweth the thoughtes of all mens heartes and n●…de not like men to interprete their minds by their outward appearāce The reste of this reason is spent altogether in shewing howe GOD detesteth Heretikes and punisheth them that haue any societie with them whiche is all true but that the Protestantes are those Heretikes Antichristes or Babylon out of whiche the faythfull are commaunded to flée it is not by one woorde attempted too bee prooued but standeth wholy vpon the first necessarie supposition that trueth is falshoode and falsehoode is trueth For they cannot bee those Hereticall Antichristes of whiche Saint Iohn speaketh because they acknowledge whole Christe both in person and office but the Papistes which denie his office of only Redéemer high Priest lawegiuer head of his Churche Mediatour and Aduocate for the same are they of whom Saint Iohn speaketh But I doe not a litle muse why our discourser 〈◊〉 the text of Saint Paule in the plurall number The men of sinne the children of destruction Whereas the Apostle saith The man of sinne the childe of destruction and the rest of the Papists vrge the singuler number so farre as that they will not admit the Apostle to speake of a whole succession or order of many but of one only singuler man But hereof let him make account to his
keepe it to your selues and trouble not the state and so that you wil for obedience sake sometime come to our s●…agogues shewing your selues conformable men to our proceedings Nay what if they shoulde haue saide Some of you also for outward shewe keeping alwaies your consciences to your selues must flee this odious name of Christians and seeme to communicate now and then with vs in our sacrifices and ceremonies wee are content also that some of you shalbe our officers and Iustices of peace counsellours and the like so that you will sometimes for orders sake punishe some of those vndiscreete felowes of your religion which cannot be content to keepe their consciences to themselues so you wil also giue some pretie sharpe charge in your circuites sessions and assemblies alwayes keeping your consciences to your selues and if some of you also wil some times step vp into the Pulpet and speake three or foure earnest woordes against this religion it shal be verie grateful vnto vs especially if you wil affirme i●… with an othe which wee haue deuised for the same purpose and this doing wee assure you that you shal liue quietly to your owne consciences and we shal account you for good subiectes If I say the Magistrates of Iurie at that time should haue giuen to the Apostles and other Christians this sweete charme doe you thinke that they could haue abidden to heare it al out whose hearts did rise and swel at two woordes only that they spoke for the intreating of them to holde their peace And yet many a thousand now in Englande beeing as throughly perswaded in heart of the truth of the catholike religion as the Apostles and other Christians at that time were of theirs are content notwithstanding to heare digest admit and execute al or most part of these thinges recited contrarie to the saide religion And yet besides al this which is more to be wondred at they are not ashamed to persuade them selues that they shal one day come to that glorie wherein the Apostles nowe are But this is desperate presumption And therefore we see what a iust cause this is for a catholike to refuse to come to the churches of the contrarie religion The sixth reason THe sixt cause hée saieth why a catholike may not come to church is because he cannot come without dissimulation Therefore let the Popishe Catholike leaue his dissimulation and become a good Christian rather then to leaue the Church and become an obstinate Schismatike In this reason as in the rest certeine leaues are spent in shewing that God abhorreth dissembling and will not hold them guiltlesse which holde their peace when he is ●…ishonoured and are ashamed clearely to confesse Christ and his trueth before men c. But that the going to Protestantes Churches is a deniall of Christ a dissimulation of his truth or any such matter there is nothing at all brought to proue it But sée I pray you his ●…ditious insinuation which hée maketh in his fonde supposition which hée woulde haue to be applied to our time what if the high Priestes and Magistrates shoulde haue saide to Peter and the Astles Well wee are content that you liue with your consciences so you keepe it to your selues and trouble not the state and so that you will for obedience sake sometime come to our Synagogues shewing your selues conformable men to our proceedinges Nay what if they shoulde haue saide Some of you also for outward shewe keeping alwayes your consciences to your selues must bee this odious name of Christians and seeme to communicate nowe and then with vs in our sacrifices and ceremonies Wee are content also that some of you shalbe our Officers and Iustices of peace Councellers and the like so that you wil sometimes for order sake punishe some of those indiscreete fellowes of your religion which cannot be content to keepe their consciences to them selues so you wil also giue some pretie sharpe charge in your Circuites Sessions and assemblies alwayes keeping your consciences to your selues and if some of you also wilsometimes steppe vp into the Pulpet and speake three or foure earnest woordes against this religion It shalbee verie gratefull vnto vs especially if you wil affirme it with an oth which we haue deuised for the same purpose and this doing wee assure you that you shal liue quietly to your owne consciences and wee shal account you for good subiectes This trayterous supposition which you will vs to apply to our time and note in the Margent to be the maner of dissembling Schismatikes liuely expressed to be done by many in Englande declareth howe reuerently you thinke speake and would haue ignorant persons to conceiue of her Maiestie and the principall Officers and Magistrates of the realme that shée with them not onely exhorteth men to dissimulation false meaning and periurie but also that her Maiestie is content to haue such hypocrites and false forsworne persons to be her Officers and Iustices yea her Councellers and Prelates of the Church No meruaile if you protest of your duetifulnesse and obedience which thus villainously conceiue and write of her excellent Maiestie and call her to the reading of it which were too intollerable to be iudged of any person of wisedome and honestie of howe lowe degrée and calling soeuer hée were It is hard therefore to susteine a counterfeit person long For euen while you declayme against dissimulation you haue discouered your selfe to bee an horrible dissembler The seuenth reason THE seuenth reason why a Catholike may not yeeld to come to the Protestants churches is because the seruice which they vse is nought and dishonourable to God and therfore no man can come to it or heare it or seeme to alow of it by his presence without great offence to God Neither is it sufficient to say as cōmonly they vse to say to beguile simple people withall that it is the Scripture taken out of the Gospels Epistles Psalmes and the like For by that argument the Iewes seruice were good at this day which is taken out of the olde Testament and al Heretikes seruice that euer was seemed to be nothing but Scriptures For as S. Austen in diuers places noteth it was alwayes the fashion of heretikes to haue Scripture in their mouth and to cleaue only to scriptures and to refuse traditions as inuentions of men And we reade of the Arrian Heretikes howe they were wont to sing Psalmes in the streetes of Constantinople thereby to allure the people to them And yet we may not say that their seruice was good like as wee cannot say that the deuils talke was good with Christ albeit it were decked with allegation of scripture and other sweete words Although therfore their seruice be ful of scripture it is no good argument that it is therefore infallible good For as S. Ierom saith of al heretikes Whatsoeuer they speake or think that they do speak in the praise of God it is the