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A35007 The discovery of the accursed thing in the Foxonian Quakers camp, englarged [sic] Crisp, Thomas, 17th cent. 1695 (1695) Wing C6949; ESTC R24789 53,543 42

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24. This was he whom the Disciples trusted in to Redeem Israel whom you contemn But whereas G. F. c. does here afore make the Light in every Man to be whole Christ as by their ascribing all the Offices and Names of our Lord Jesus to it making that the only Principle and admits of no other But yet contrary thereto says G. W. in his Book The Life of Christ c. p. 13. As to Christ's being in every Man that 's not our Affirmation nor Words But that there is a Light of Christ in every Man This I take to be sound Doctrine and if G. W. be sincere herein he opposes G. F. and they are not all of one mind as they falsly boast although they are generally guilty of that great Evil the Wise Man complains of even to advance the Servant and degrade the Master For in their treating on the Belief of what our Lord did and suffered without us also of the belief of the Light within they state the Case unequally and therein are unjust to the undervaluing of the true Faith in our Lord Jesus and give preference to the Light within in the Book entituled Truth 's Principles p. 11. my great Respect to that good Man whose Name is to it and the Truths therein caused me to omit the Book and Name in my former Discovery and I question whether this Passage be of his wording There may be say they a Belief of what Christ did and suffered without c. mind these words and the work of Regeneration not known c. But it may be the same also with a Belief of the Light within And I appeal to your own Consciences whether you do not believe it 's so now with many among you Therefore this Argument of yours is of as much force against the Light within as against the Faith in our Lord Jesus without us But now observe farther when they come to speak of the Light within in what advantageous terms to that they express themselves above what they do the Belief of our Lord Jesus without For say they in the same Book and Page It cannot be so the Work of Regeneration not known c. where the Light within is believed on and obeyed so as to have its perfect work in the Heart to Regenerate and make all things new Now I appeal to their Consciences whether or no if our Lord Jesus is so believed on and obeyed so as to have his perfect work in the heart to regenerate and make all things new whether this can be and the Work of Regeneration not known In the variation of their terms they have undervalued our Lord Jesus and the true Belief in him For they say a belief of Christ but of the Light they say believed on Now there is great difference between believed of and believing on but it 's not a bare belief of but true Faith in Jesus Christ that G. K. contends for and their Injustice and Partiality even in the Case betwixt our Lord Jesus of Nazareth and the Light within shews that they are not his Ministers nor is it his Gospel they Preach Do but compare St. Paul's Gospel of Salvation 1 Cor. 15. it's worth reading and theirs and you will find theirs is another and therefore as in 1 Gal. 8. is accursed and ought to be put out of the Christian Camp And although they say Christ and his Light are not divided yet here to serve their turn they can divide them for if they be not divided then they who Preach or believe in one do the same in the other also There is a silly Argument G. F. much makes use of to undervalue and contemn the Worth and Authority of the Scriptures viz. saith he p. 137. For the Pharisees crucified Christ had that which testified of Christ the Scriptures c. Now this Argument is of no more force against the Scriptures than it is against the Light in every Man which G. F. says is Christ for the Pharisees and wicked Men have that Light as well as the Scriptures and more universally for you say every Man in the World have that but few have the Scriptures in comparison But can you produce any since our Lord's Ascension who have come to Faith in him as Preach'd in the New Testament by the Power or Influence of that Light without some special Revelation or outward Instructions by Words or Writings We can find some that have been deprived of these outward means have lost that knowledge they had as the Ten Tribes Now having shewn their Contempt of our Lord Jesus Scriptures Governours and Laws and all Christendom besides themselves as in 2 Phil. This Man of 〈…〉 n their Spirit exalts it self above all that is called God See how Blasphemoussy a Preacher of theirs Deified Geo. Fox Says he Deare and presious one in whome my Life is bound up and my strenth in thee stands by thy breathings I am nurished and refreshed and by thee my strenth is renewed blessed art thou for evermore and blessed are all they that enjoy thee Life and strenth comes from thee holy One and thou art the blessed of the Lord for evermore deare deare reach unto me that I may be strenthened to stand in the mighty power and dread of the Lord for the Servise is very great my travel and burthen was never so as now since I saw thee But daily doe I find thy Presence with me which doth exceedingly preserve me for I cannot ●eane but in thy Presence and Power Pray for me that I may stand in thy dread for evermore Deare my deare Brother John Cam hath beene exceeding sicke and he is very weak I can say little of his recovering as yet his Wife is with him she is deare and preciously keepte their deare love is to thee oh reach through all in thy mighty power to him this bearer can declare to thee of the worke this way Jo Wilkinson and Jo Storey is here their love is dearly to thee deare harte there is one thinge that lies upon mee I shall lay it before thee as tuching thy comeing into Wilteshire I was there at Justice Stocks House and the Famaley is all prety loveing and convinced and he is a sober wise Man and there is honesty in him which will stand and there is a prety People that way it hath laid exceedingly upon me these 3 dayes of thy beeing at that place I know not such another place in all the Counterey for thee deare I was much wounded to know that thou was in such a rude place and sufers soe amongst them and this was I moved to lay before thee and great is my disere that it may be soe The place is about 20 mille from Bristoll in Wiltshire one mille from Chipenam a Market-Town Justice Stocks House Jo Cam tould me that the Justice he was with was very loveing and a prety man this bearer was there he can declare to thee more but oh that thou
C. W's Christian Confession to Christ without him And G. F. thinking that Deviling and Reprobating him not enough but to aggravate the wretchedness of his state that he was not only a Reprobate but an ignorant one too This is that C. Wade whom G. F. so grossly abused as I have shewed in my Essay c. Also G. F. saith he says but no body knows where for he quotes no Page and I have read the Book all over containing 60 Pages and cannot find some Sentences that G. F. says he says so And although G. F. hath so Devilled and Reprobated him and says he is ignorant of Christ within I shall shew you what he says of Christ within In pag. 36. says C. W. The Saints are said to be the Habitation of God through the Spirit And pag. 4. God whose Throne is in Heaven is in his gracious and spiritual Presence in and through his Son dwelling in the hearts of his People And in p. 7. Christ is by his Spiritual Influences in all his Saints And pag. 19. Christ that is Personally absent from Believers is dwelling in their hearts by Faith All these Confessions to Christ within by C. W. be in that one Book G. F. pretends to Answer Now if C. W. believed this with his heart I do not see but according to the Tenth of the Romans he might be saved and G. F. hath rather recorded his own Reprobate state than C. W's and his own Spirit more like the Devil 's than C. W's But it was C. W's bold and open Confession to Jesus of Nazareth that did torment G. F. as he did the same Spirit Luke 4. 34. And so the same Confession how doth torment the same Spirit in G. F's Successors the Chief Priests and Rulers of the Foxonian Quakers W. P. W. B. G. W. c. And for their Pretence in their Discoverer Discovered p. 20. That they see not how the Apostle can be Orthodox and G. F. Erroneous their Blindness is to be pitied but to them who are not blinded it is plain that G. F. was erroneous and wicked For C. W. as is afore-shewn doth Confess to Christ within according to these Scriptures 3 Eph. 17. 3 Gal. 26. 4 Gal. 6. read them And Paul doth no where say The Devil was in thee thou sayest thou art saved by Christ without thee and hast recorded thy self a Reprobate as G. F. wickedly doth But in 10 Rom. 9. St. Paul saith quite contrary and neither doth St. John countenance G. F's Contempts although you would shelter him under them both And further saith G. F. Can you call him Christ in Man without the Man being there p. 68. This is in Answer to one who charges them to say Christ is in them as Man By these you may see what a Man Christ they mean when they say they believe in the Man Christ Jesus And that he became Man they mean even such a Man as is in them For says G. F. If they must eat his flesh is it not in them Again one says That Christ our Justification should be in us that dyed that suffered and ascended to fancy him in a particular Person c. And in p. 130. says the same Man Christ is Personally absent from a Believer So that it 's our Lord Jesus as God and Man Personally being in People that this T. M. opposes and not his enlightning men for that he acknowledgeth as G. F. cites him p. 130. saying Yea when enlightened by that Heavenly Light from Jesus And in p. 131. saith T. M. There is something of God in Man And G. F. doth by his opposing these sound Doctrines imply there is no Man or Person Jesus absent from Believers nor no other Christ suffered and dyed but what is in us Personally or whole Christ as by his Answer And so all be in the fancy that be out of the state of witnessing Christ that suffered within them Now in the Discoverer Discovered p. 20. They blame me for leaving out the word And and the Parenthesis which I did not to wrong his sense nor is there any Emphasis in them nor did I quote this place to prove that G. F. did make Christ's Sufferings within Man only as they falsly insinuate p. 21. nor made any Observations on this place particularly But I do believe that in this place as well as in many others his design was to contemn the Person of our Lord and consequently his Blood and Sufferings as more fully appears by your saying That Blood of his let out of his Side by the Spear after he was dead was no more than the Blood of another Saint This is a wicked Contempt And for your fallacious Pretence p. 21. That G. F. means no other but that Christ who suffered without to be revealed within That is acknowledged by all Protestants and would not be contradicted But if he meant so why did he not express it as you do And at best in this he shews himself a very perverse Disputer and causer of Divisions and therefore to be avoided And although G. F. do not in that place make Christ's Sufferings to be in Man only yet he doth say And all be in the fancy who be out of the state of witnessing Christ that suffered within them Now it was the Man our Lord Jesus of Nazareth that suffered and he as such cannot be Personally in any Man therefore in this he doth contemn our Lord's Person And for your so severe charging me for omitting the word and and the Parenthesis now you have them in they will not excuse his Contempt But you have hereby aggravated his gross wickedness for if that be so great a sin in me how wicked was he to falsifie Mens words and sense as he hath done and is proved in my Essay and this Discovery Let 's see now what just Judges you will approve your selves in condemning his erroneous Spirit but I know you dare not touch that it being your Foundation for if you do down comes your Building of Infallibility and Church-Power Further says G. F. Christ is come now who treads the Wine-press alone without the City so making the Work now a doing which our Lord finished in his own Person as by the Prophet is said Hath trod the Wine-press alone Again one says If there be not a distinction between the Righteousness imputed on account of the Blood of Christ and that wrought in us by his Spirit G. F. Answers Christ's Righteousness his Blood and Spirit are all one p. 183. And says to the Man For the rest of thy confused stuff it is not worth mentioning Thereby making these sound words confused stuff Again one says The work in us is not the ground and Purchase of true Peace To this he makes a perverse Answer and says to the Person For the rest of thy Lyes they turn on thy self p. 171. Thereby implying that before was one One says The Flesh of Christ is not in them G. F. Answers
Antidote pag. 32. The same Jesus that is in our Nature in that Body then and there prepared for him set down in Heaven even he that Person that is Personally absent from Believers is dwelling in their hearts by Faith of and in him This G. F. quotes as an Error and says in Opposition to him But the Saints in the Light receive Christ the hope of Glory and so he is not absent from them p. 135. Now although T. M. does own Christ in them by Faith yet that will not serve G. F. but he opposes T. M's saying That Person that is Personally absent c. And in Opposition says G. F. So he is not absent from them and therefore this implies he G. F. owned no other Personal Jesus but that is in him and did intend and mean hereby to contemn and undervalue our Lord Jesus of Nazareth his Sufferings without us for can he dwell in their Hearts by Faith and not be revealed within them and it was not his being revealed within would satisfie G. F. who not only opposes the Truth but in citing T. M's words in his 135 pag. does by him there as his usual manner was he here also leaves out and adds and of forty words takes but eight and adds the word Christ and cutting the Sentence in two leaves out the most material words and takes a few out of the middle of the Sentence Now from all these judge ye who is wicked T. C. in forgetting an insignificant Parenthesis and and or G. F. in thus wickedly abusing mangling perverting adding and diminishing mens words falsly accusing and belying them and these Foxonian Chief Priests in excusing and covering his Errors And who most deserves the Pillory T. C. or they who Forge and Print false Accusations against T. C. to defame him and cover their own wickedness And in my former Discovery c. I cited G. F. saying pag. 131. All be in the Fancy that he out of the state of Witnessing Christ that suffered within them Now G. F. hath the word and at the beginning of this Sentence which I left out as useless and the Parenthesis I over-looked but neither of them are of stress nor did I leave them out to wrong his sense nor did I make any Observations on those words only cited them but these Foxonian Chief Priests take great occasion against me therefrom and say It 's very unfair if designed and nothing less than my Plea of Ignorance or want of Understanding will excuse ●e with them from being therein guilty of great wickedness This is already spoken to pag. 18 but now having T. M's Book before me in Answer to whom those aforesaid words of G. F's be who in his 131 pag. brings in T. M. thus saying And the Righteousness of God wrought by Christ for us which need not be wrought over again in us And then G. F. Answers Whosoever hath not Christ within are Reprobates and whosoever hath Christ within hath the Righteousness Now here G. F. does endeavour falsly to represent T. M. as opposing Christ or his Righteousness being within the Saints which T. M. doth not as I shall shew He T. M. doth say in the next leaf pag. 61. So that though they Preach the same Jesus that is in them and in and to them being received by Faith the hope of glory c. Now hereby it 's evident T. M. did not oppose or deny Christ being in them as G. F. falsly represents him and so by his Answer opposes his own Imagination and proves himself a Perverter But that 's not all he is guilty of much worse wickedness in this very place than that they make me so wicked for for T. M's words be thus in his Answer to J. N. Says he Not caring how full he J. N. make his acknowledgment of the Righteousness of God wrought in the Death and Resurrection of that Person Jesus in that Personal Body if the Works of Redemption and Righteousness therein wrought be not asserted and understood to be therein f●●ished and made Perfect in him for us so as they need not to be wrought over again in us Now of T. M's 50 words G. F. takes but 20 and cuts off the Sentence and takes out these most material words the Death and Resurrection of that Person in that Personal Body if the Works of Redemption therein be not asserted and understood to be therein finished and made perfect in him for us All these he G. F. leaves out in the middle but steals out from the midst of them where the strokes be these two words viz. Righteousness and wrought and changes T. M's word in into by and for the word Person he puts Christ Behold now according to these Foxonian Priests own Judgment what mangling work here is which is no part of a good Christian and grosly misrepresented abused misquoted curtailed and misapp 〈…〉 d Passages But of this enough to shew his corrupt dealing in abusing a Man but Mali●● abounding c. And as they say pag. 18. by my consent their Servant E. Bennington shall stand on F. 〈…〉 Pillory with his Masters next time as a false Accuser when there is any room for him there This is their own Judgment and 〈…〉 ge vented against me because I discover the wickedness of these Foxonian Chief Priests and much more such Rage and Slanders do they foam out falsly against me which I shall not mind only to shew their Partiality But I would not be guilty of such gross wickedness as this G. F. is for much especially if they were to have the Punishing of me but they do sufficiently shew the Fallibility of their Spirit although their Pride will not let them acknowledge it But to 〈◊〉 to G. F's abuse of T. M. It 's evident it was the efficacy and value of the 〈◊〉 and Obedience of our Lord Jesus that T. M. pleads for and that he opp 〈…〉 was as he says pag. 56. Taking away from us the Personal Sufferings of 〈◊〉 in his own Body and the infinite and abiding Vertues of them for our help and 〈…〉 g in the room of it his i. e. J. N's imaginary or fancified Christ or Light in Men. This and much more that he says as the very words G. F. cites proves viz. which need not be wrought over again in as shew it was not Christ's being manifest within that T. M. opposed nor that G. F. principally intended But G. F. was tormented and raged because our Lord Jesus his Person and sufferings without us was preferred before his G. F's Spirit or Light as in the work of our Salvation Although he dare not deny yet sidelongly misrepresents T. M's Doctrine as farther he brings in T. M. saying And that Christ our Justification should be in us that dyed and suffered that ascended this says G. F. he calls a fancy to fancy him in a particular Person But T. M's words in pag. 59. are thus speaking of J. N. Doth he not mean