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A43112 Animadversions upon a late quibling libel from the Hartford Quakers, stiled, A testimony for the man Christ Jesus demonstrating that it is not the same true and real man Christ Jesus that they give testimony unto, but another false and feigned Jesus, or, A fresh and fuller draught of the same antidote, against the poyson presented in the whores golden cup / by Will. Haworth. Haworth, William. 1676 (1676) Wing H1194; ESTC R19450 28,927 32

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abhorrency and detestation of such Hellish Spirits to hear Gods holy Name prophaned in such a horrible execration in such a Brazen-fac'd way as if Satan himself had appeared with Fire and Brimstone and a nasty stink among us I would be glad to hear that God gave him Repentance for his great sin who did not live to see his sentence fulfilled but was soon after cut off by death at Sea whether Shipwrackt or otherwise I have not yet learned These look for the fulfilling of this Prophecy I perceive it s well I am not in their hands nor in Satans hauds but in the hands of Jesus Christ I commit my self to him he is righteous in whatsoever he doth to me peradventure he will turn Shimeies and Balaams cursings and Rabshekahs railings for good unto me In this case I appeal unto the Christians and Ministers of Christ with whom I have to do if hitherto I speak not the words of truth and soberness the Lord lay not this great evil which they are now too much hardned in to their charge Before they mention the two Inconsistencies they have a small Peroration about Original sin Pag. 13. Christopher Tayler denying Infants to be guilty of it calling them Innocents but they dare not meddle with this Contoversy pro nor con only say that I have manifested a great deal of ignorance and hardness but proves not a Syllable of their Charge only craftily suggests to the People that we condem these Innocents upon the Predestinarian principle Answ We have proved Infants no Innocents but such as have the guilt of Adams sin upon them and I am at any time ready to make good this Truth against their calumnies and withall say for the satisfaction of all against this false insinuation that God is righteous in charging the guilt of the first sin upon all and that he doth not predestinate any to damnation but with respect to sin But where are these inconsistencies 1. That I say we are by nature children of wrath Eph. 2.3 and yet saith that the light within every one is nothing but nature which is corrupt yet affirm withall that this light within is the Law of Moses written in the heart this they say is to write like a mad man Pag. 14. Answ The Quakers I observe are always much moved when we do not give that honour to their Light which they think is due when we allow it to be no more than Nature Now the Apostle I am sure calls it Nature Rom. 2.14 The Gentiles do by Nature things contained in the Law and yet the same Apostle saith likewise Eph. 2.3 And we were by Nature children of Wrath even as others Now it is not I but the Apostle that is charged for a mad man for they are his words must the Apostle be guilty of mad inconsistencies God forbid I did say the Light within was the Law of Moses written in the heart of man giving that Rom. 2.15 to prove it Which shew the work of the Law written in their hearts this Scripture must guide in the sense of my words The Law of Moses in the heart that I spake of is the work of the Law he doth not say that all the matter of the Moral Law was written in their hearts nor that they did all things contained in it but only saith the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the work of the Law was written in their hearts and that they did things contained in the Law there is then no more in it but this that these Gentiles by doing somethings that were contained in Moses's Moral Law did manifest that there was an impression of some part of the Moral Law upon their hearts Now it s no mad Heresie to maintain that a mans doing part of the Moral Law as to the matter of it by the meer strength of Nature is nothing but sin and that a natural man so doing is a Child of Wrath and in a damnable condition not withstanding how can it be otherwise when there is no right Principle from whence he acts Heb. 11.6 not a dram of true Faith in Jesus Christ and without Faith it is impossible to please God he is dead in sin not being born again and all his works are dead works and cannot please the living God And therefore the Apostle saith of these Gentiles that had done by Nature things contained in the Law and had the works of the Law written in their hearts notwithstanding this they were unrighteous sinners guilty fallen short of the glory of God Rom. 3. Oh that this was but well marked by these Patrons of Nature the Quakers where is now the inconsistency 2. Inconsistency Because I will not admit works done by us in the Spirit in the point of the justication of a sinner and yet confesseth that Regeneration id the making meet for the inheritance and that I say the actions of the Deity perfects all good in us and prays that the Lord by his Spirit would establish my Friends seeming here highly to esteem of the holy Spirit and its workings how sleight soever I made of them in other places Pag. 15. Answ I do with all my heart highly esteem of the Holy Spirit who is the ever blessed God and of his inward work in the hearts of his Saints and God forbid that I should sleight them or manifest my madness as this people say against them sooner let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth I have some experience of that good sweet Spirits working in my own heart through Grace in his Convictions Renewings Quicknings Comfortings and I do really value them Yet I must not advance these works done upon us by the Spirit or done by us in the Spirit to that dignity which God never appointed them unto viz. To justify a sinner in his sight to make him accepted with God for their sakes no we are accepted only by the grace of God i. e. his free favour in the Beloved Eph. 1.6 i. e. the Person of Jesus Christ and the works done in the Spirit are not the Person of Jesus Christ nor his Personal Righteousness we would know from the Quakers which would give us to understand their thoughts let them speak plainly and tell us whether the Person of him that is justified or the Person of Jesus Christ be the subject of that Righteousness whereby a sinner is justified in Gods sight whether the soul and body of the Believer or the soul and body of the Man Christ be the seat wherein dwells that Righteousness that justifies in God sight whether they be the works done Personally by us or the works done Personally by him we are not ashamed without mincing without darkening counsel by words firmly and constantly to confess with our Brethren in many Protestant Churches that we cannot dare not must not admit of any thing no not so much as our Faith though it 's wrought in us by the Spirit into that Righteousness that justifies us in Gods
nature with that which he had before his Resurrection for it appears evidently that was not such a Manhood why then if it be not the same in kind and Nature it cannot be the same in Number 3. The third thing as to the matter of Charge viz. That this same Manhood is now in Heaven a place remote so circumscribed there that it is not here on Earth this they openly deny in so many words Pag. 6. But his conclusion i. e. is denyed by the connexion it appears that therefore Jesus Christ is not here on Earth as he is Man but as to his Manhood only in Heaven a place remote from us and in many other places of the Book you shall find the like They do clearly affirm that Jesus Christ is present on Earth in and with his Saints as to his soul The Papists say in their monstrous opinion of Transubstantiation that the natural Humane body of Christ can be and is in an hundred nay a thousand several places at once So these that the soul of Jesus is in innumerable places at once Thus every whit of the matter of Charge stands good against them and I have brought them in as witnesses against themselves whilst they did pretend to the weak people to vindicate themselves Now do not they that deny these three things mentioned plainly deny Jesus Nazareth to be the Messiah which they say Pag. 4. is the other part of the Charge if Jesus Christ hath not the self same true and real Manhood which he took of the Virgin and which dwelt here on Earth at that place called Nazareth then is not Jesus of Nazareth the Messiah according to the Quakers For his name was called Jesus as he was born of the Virgin Mat. 1.21 And she shall bring forth as Son and thou shalt call his Name Jesus and that adjunct of Nazareth is given because of his habitation in those parts Mat. 2.23 And he came and dwelt in a City called Nazareth that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Prophets He shall be called a Nazarene But these people now it 's plain the mask being pull'd off deny that Manhood that was taken of the Virgin and dwelt at Nazareth in that they do suppose it so changed that it 's turned into an Immense infinite Being a Deity which that Manhood was not Let them but remember that Scripture John 8.24 Except you believe that I am he ye shall die in your sins and if they write again fairly take off these things that I have briefly brought against them Let us now hear throughout the Book what they have to say for themselves that they are not guilty of denying the Manhood of Jesus Christ in Heaven The first thing produced is W. Pens confession at Barbakin Pag. 4. W. P. speaks in the name of the Quakers thus we do believe the Man Christ Jesus to be glorified in Heaven we do believe the holy Manhood to be in Heavenly Glory they add see how far the Quakers are from denying the true and real Manhood of Christ in Heaven Some that are not acquainted with their way of speaking may think this sufficient but others that have been used to them cannot till W. Pen doth describe what he means by the Man Christ Jesus and what by the Manhood whether it is such a Manhood as hath a Humane soul and body as its essential parts For G. Fox in his great Mystery Pag. 286. hath these words the Man may speak Christ in the Male and in the Female W. P. then in the name of all the Quakers may mean such a man is Jesus Christ as is in every Male and Female Preacher that is nothing but the light within Fox again hath another passage Pag. 71. Christ's nature is not bumane which is earthly for that is the first Adam's This man Christ that W. P. confesseth in the name of all the Quakers may be such as hath no Humane nature such a man as never had a nature that was of an Earthly substance such a man as came not of Adam's race and line but we always thought and believed that the Manhood was such which is Christs nature as properly as his Divine nature Again nothing more obvious in our discourses with them than that Heaven is within them I have heard it in discourse with them What doth all this brave sound of words in this Confession at Barbican come to why this is the sum of it when he saith we believe the Man Christ to be glorified in Heaven and the holy Manhood to be in heavenly glory viz. that the Light within being hearkened to and obeyed is lifted up and exalted and glorified in the heart of man I know it to be true that Pen hath written it in the Folio put forth by him and Whitehead viz. that the Light in that body that was taken of the Virgin is the Christ whereas we know and assert that it 's neither the Divine nature alone nor Humane alone but both in union that is the Christ of God I will give one testimony out of Smith's Primer Pag. 8. They that are false Teachers preach Christ without and bid the people believe in him as he is in Heaven above Now lest some Reconciler as W. P. or any other should say that their Brother Smith meant that whoever preached Christ without only were false Teachers not but that the preaching of Christ without will consist with the preaching of Christ within hear his own words again Pag. 9. Child This is a great difference in their Doctrine speaking still of the true and false Teachers for one to preach Christ without and another preacheth him within Fat Yes it doth make a great difference and bath no more fellowship together then the East with the West See how far they are from denying the true and real Manhood of Jesus Christ in Heaven he that will be decieved let him be deceived by this line you may measure all the rest that followeth The next thing to take off the Charge is their own confession in the Book Pag. 5. They write We farther add and confess that the same man Christ that suffered and was put to death in the flesh and was raised from the dead by the mighty Power of God ascended into Heaven Gods dwelling place ascended both as to change of place and state of glory Is not here a very full and plain confession Would not you take the Hareford Quakers more Orthodox than others of them would not one hope that our writing against their Errour doth inlighten them teach them convince them and that they are coming near to some good settlement in the good old Truths and that they will at length become Christians but it is so with some that have accustomed themselves to ly and cheat they are always suspected by them that know them so truly is it with this People they have altogether lost their credit and reputation with many as in this matter in that we