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A89845 A publike discovery, of the open blindness of Babels builders, and their confused language, who have been building without, till they deny faith, knowledge and the Gospel light within, the law of the new covenant, and matter of the new creature. Plainly laid open in an answer to a book intituled A publike discovery of a secret deceipt, subscribed John Deacon, in behalf of some who pretend a call to the ministry. Wherein their first queries their replyes; their answers to my queries, and their last queries is answered, and their whole work laid open, and the end thereof with queries sent back, by them to be answered, that their boasting spirit may be farther revealed, & its blindness. Here is also some of their confusions taken out of the heap, and set by themselves to be seen, how they will stand in the eye of truth, where but the least measure of God is known. / By an enemy to deceit, but a friend to the creation, called James Naylor. Naylor, James, 1617?-1660. 1656 (1656) Wing N305; Thomason E870_2; ESTC R204793 29,385 50

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We teach to turn peoples mindes to the light and word which is the one thing needful to be minded 2 Pet. 1. 19. 2 Cor. 4. 1. 10 8. And the Apostle preacht that word to the people which was in their hearts Rom. 10. 6 7 8. And their preaching was to open the blinde eyes and to turn from darkness to light and so from the power of Satan unto God the Father of the light Acts 26. 18. And the Scripture serveth for declaring and testifying that th●s Christ is he that is the light of the world and lighteneth every one that commeth into the world and the Saviour of all that believe John 12. 46. John 1. 9. 1 Tim. 4. 10. Reply answered As you made up your last with lyes so you begin this saying that I grant that all external things are useless none excepted when I speak not a word to that purpose but witness the word and the light thereof to be the one thing needful nor doth confessing this make useless any thing that God made onely it makes the hirelings and false Prophets useless as to teaching who have not the word and light in them Another lye is that I say the light in every man is not sufficient to lead out of all the ways of the dark world And a third is that I grant the Scriptures to be useless A fourth is that we cry that down in others that we preach up in our selves And a fifth is that I once denied preaching So these five feet being struck off the Reply falls to naught and my Answer stands as it was at the first onely some rambling words nothing to the purpose which I forbear to mention lest I should be as vainly imployed in repeating as you in raising them 5. Quer. And if that the external means be useless to what end were those most sacred gifts bestowed upon men Eph. 4. 10 11 12. And how the end and intent for which they were given became void Answ 5. The end of those gifts was for perfecting the Saints and bringing all into one faith unto a perfect man which they that teach that none can be perfect by those gifts while they live do set up a faith in people contrary to the end of those gifts and by setting up external things in stead of these spiritual gifts have you lost the gifts and have made them void and so are become enemies to the end and intent of them in others who have them and believe the end of them And thus the end and intent for which they were given are become void to you Eph. 4. 10 11 12. Reply answered This also is made up of great swelling words and challenges and charges which are false as you charge them upon me as that I said in my Answer that thou John Deacon had set up external things and so made void the end of the spiritual gifts and this you make into three or four lyes to father upon me when my words are They that teach that none can be perfect do so but did not mention thee John Deacon nor intend it for I never looked upon thee as one of those Teachers thou never had that wit though malice enough to make a cover for one who dare not be seen lest his works be brought to light So these boults turn back upon the makers with the rest in the former and the Secret Deceipt is seen you tell on But the word perfecting the Saints sticks much on your stomack and so I am charged to produce a President of one person in all the Scripture that ever was perfect by any means and your penalty is else yeild my selfe a lyar but why a lyar because I say the end of those gifts was for perfecting the Saints and must not Paul be a lyar with you also who said so before me Eph. 4. 10 11 12. And can you believe if I produce a President in Scripture however since I am charged therewith and you ignorant of it I shall set you where you may find more then one Job 1. 8. Prov. 11. 5. Psal 37. 37. 1 Cor. 2. 6. Phil. 3. 15. Colos 1. 28. 4. 12. Jam. 3. 2. Gen. 6. 9. Luk. 6. 40. Heb. 10. 14. 1. Thes 5. 2. Search these Scriptures over before you conclude me a lvar so shall I not be alone herein But now what Reply to my Answer further then a lyer to wit that I do wrest the Scripture and your meaning which I quote as it is without the least meaning or wresting at all Quer. 6. If natural light be sufficient without the help of the means what then is become of the work of grace Eph. 2. 5. 8. Rom. 11. 6. and of the growth of faith Luk. 17. 5. Mark 9. 24. The practical use of Ordinances 1 Cor. 11. 2. 23. 24. As Baptism Matth. 8. 19. The Lords Supper Reading 1 Tim. 4. 13. Preaching Matth. 28. 20. and several other places Prayer 1 Thes 5. 17. Rom. 12. 12. Communion of Saints in publique Assemblies Heb. 10. 25. Answ 6. The light of Christ is the gift of the grace of God which brings salvation which teaches to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts and to live soberly righteously and godly in this present world Tit. 2. 11. 12. And with this light is the work of grace seen but thou that callest this natural light or wouldest make people believe it is not sufficient must needs be ignorant of that spirit whereby that work of grace and growth of faith prayer and communion of Saints Supper and Ordinances is known for without faith in the light of Christ these are not known nor accepted though dark natural imaginations may make an imitation from them in the Letter 1 Cor. 2. 14. And thus are the works of grace become to all that deny the light and spirit of Christ within and take up a tradition from the letter without sensual having not the spirit Jude 19. Reply answered The Reply to this Answer is O deceitful Sophister and so because you cannot enter upon my Answer yet to your old trade of lying your way is open that I deny the work of grace faith the growth of faith by the use of Ordinances most if not all and that I wave the Question when as I tell you what is become of the work of grace to all that deny the light and what the gift of grace is which is more rather then less then was asked me Quer. 7. Whether the Bible be the written word of God yea or no if not what means the Apostle 1 Cor. 14. 36. 37. 38. Gal. 1. 10. 11. 1 Thes 2. 13. Answ 7. That is the word which the Bible declares of which is invisible and eternal which they that received i● of God and had it in their hearts did speak or write it down which writing they called a declaration Luke 1. 1. 1 John 1. 3. But doth no where say the Bible is the word but God and Christ is the word Jeh 1.
Gal. 1. 11 12. Reply answered In this I am called blind Sophister again and you say it would be absurd to imagine that any should preach the Gospel of Christ as from themselves though say you I dare presume to say you do so that though it be absurd so to say yet you dare presume to say it for your priviledge is to speak absurd things and to presume so to do yet not see your selves herein which did you mind the light you might see the blinde Sophister at home but this is not the first absurdity by many in your Book which you have presumed to cast upon me though you have not confessed to them all as to this Also this must not be without a lye more which is that I bring the means to testifie against it selfe but cannot instance wherein and when thou hast confessed that we preach the Gospel of Christ and saies you dare presume to say we do then say you but tell me hath that man any one spark of Grace or Truth in him that cannot see you are truthless So to preach the Gospel of Christ is a truthless thing amongst you and such blind stuff as this you cast out at random nor have I denied any means in my Answer that God is free to make use on as you would accuse for I have learned otherwise then to limit him to means or from means in what he hath not declared I am silent but this I say what means soever he uses the hireling is denied and they whose worship is not according to Scripture as your high-place worship is not neither in call maintenance nor manner of worship in any one particular And this I am ready to make appear when I shall be called thereto not withstanding ●●● the filthy venomous names you have called me in your replies which shews your inside and the fruits of your Ministrie and serve most for that end for me they touch not nor hath your Replies in the least shaken my answers though your unclean languaege have shewen your own foundation and confusion thereon builded Reply to the pretended Answers subscribed John Deacon unto fourteen Queries put forth by James Naylor Quere I. NOw seeing you so much oppose the light within and spirit and set up the Letter for the Light I say seeing it is plain all the Saints had a light in Spirit to guide them in wayes accepted in all ages before the Letter was if you be spiritual men give it in writing what that Light was where it was and how they came by it when they had no Letter or was it sufficient before the Letter is it the same now or when or how was it changed and the Letter set in its stead 1. Answer and Reply In the Answer to this Quere I am charged with a lye because I say you oppose the light within and spirit and sets up the Letter for the Light yet in the Answer your great work is to deny the Law written in the heart and place it now in the Letter and sayes the Gospel is not known by being within and sayes it is one of the most principal Controversies between us Christians and the Quakers and saies that which was once written in the heart and was sufficient is now become insufficient and now since the thing you have stated that the Controversie must be betwixt the Law that was received at mount Sinai which you call a lively Oracle and that which God hath written in the heart we will search the Scripture for whom it bears testimony and with whom they side in this controversie Jer. 31. God in ●es a promise of the new Covenant after they had broken that which you call a lively Oracle and saith God this shall be my Covenant I will make with the house of Israel I will put my Law in their inward parts and write it in their hearts and they shall teach no more every Man his Neighbour and every Man his Brother saying know the Lord for all shall know me from the least to the greatest And Paul Heb. 8. witnesseth the same words and sayes the first Covenant was faulty And in 2 Cor. 3. he calls that which was engraven in stones the ministration of death and said he he was not a Minister of it but of the spirit for said he the Letter killeth but the spirit giveth life and saith it is done away that is in the letter And David saith of a righteous man the Law of God is in his heart so that none of his steps shall slide Psal 37. 3● and Paul saith the Law of Spirit and life in Christ Jesus made me free from the Law of Sin and Death and this Law you say is become unsufficient and yet with the same shameless mouth am I accused for a lye saying you oppose the light within and set up the l●●ter behold your work and be ashamed you blind guides who know not the light in you your states you may read Eph. 4. 18 19. and this blind work you have in hand is suitable And further to manifest your blindness you say before that law their sins were no sins so by your doctrine it were no sin for Cain to kill his Brother and Sodom and the old world suffered without sin by your Doctrine and such dark muddy stuff as this you utter but leaves the Quere wholly unanswered Quer. 2. Reeing you say the Scripture is a Rule declare in plainness is the whole Scriptures a Rule to all men and women to take up the practise thereof or how much of it is and to how many people and to whom in particular seeing the Saints in all ages had their particular commands how may weak people know which of their commands they must take up and which they must not and when they have found the commands where they must have the power and whether that which gives the commands be not the power only accepted for performance deal plain herein that people may know what to do and what they have done that they be not always learning and never able to come to the end of their labours and rest of God 2. Answer and Reply In the Answer to this Quere after you have uttered a sort of frothy words you come to lay down an impudent lye saying private Saints had never particular and peculiar commands and ere you leave the Quere you contradict your lye your selves saying Noah had a particular command to build an Ark and John to Baptize and the Apostles to Preach c. But for Answer to the Quere which asks how people may know which of these commands they must follow you send us to Reverend Pens to seek but names not where and so steals away from it Que● 3. Seeing Christ preached the Kingdom of God within unbeleevers and the Apostle saith that which may be known of God is manifest in them and that they came to the knowledge of God and his glory by the light that shone
in their heart which God shewed them c. Deal plainly a●d let people know how it now comes to be without and denied within as it is by you Prove your practice and judgement herein by plain Scripture 3. Answer and Reply In this Answer you charge me with two lyes first concerning Christ preaching the Kingdom of God within unbelievers and to prove that a lye you change that Scripture Luk. 17 21. which saith the Kingdom of God is within you to among you The second lye you charge me with is because I said the Apostle said that they came to the knowledge of God and his Glory by that light that shone in their hearts To which I say it s no lye for none ever came to the knowledge of God otherwise but by that spiritual light and that the Apostle said so 2 Cor. 4. 6. may testifie and that Scripture Rom. 1. 19. which saith that which may be known of God is manifest in them for God hath shewed it to them this you say cannot be the spirit of God or Christ thus being stark blind you utter your lyes and confusions without sahme and would cast them upon others but how should you believe the Kingdom of God within who say faith and knowledge is not within Quer. 4. Whether that new birth spoken of in the Scriptures be Christ within or some other thing and if not he then what is it and how people may know it by the letter without the light when they have Christ and when they have a spirit of delusion and whether the light of the spirit alone be sufficient without the letter to reveal the Son of God the Father and all Truth and judge of all spirits what soever without any addition to it 4. Answer and Reply In this Answer you run a wild chase telling of Adam and Eden much the like things which you know naught of and then you tell of the matter whereof the New Man is made and you say the Mind and Will of Man is the Matter to which I say that 's like all the New Man you know so the second Adam is made of the Mind and Will of the first The Saints had Christ formed in them which was their new birth but is he formed of the Will of Man the new birth of the Saints is not of the Will of Man nor of the Will of the Flesh but of God but your birth is of the Will of Man and such like babling stuff not worth mentioning after you but leaves the Quere unanswered only addes a lye in the conclusion that our spirit opposes the commands in the Letter Quer. 5. Whether the least measure of saving faith in Christ Jesus be not present power above the Devil and all the powers of darkness which if it be then what is the cause that men must be captivated to commit sin while they live Whether it is want of faith or that there is not power in faith to overcome the evil one or hath any faith in Christ farther then they haue power over sin and the world or is there any rest to a believer short of that power 5. Answer and Reply In your Answer to this Quere your whole work is to plead for sin and that the greatest fulness cannot except from actual sin and in the conclusion you render it as a dangerous thing lest they should fight against Gods Counsel and Determination as though God had determined actual sin yet dare not deny the Quere but say the least measure of faith in Christ is sufficient to keep from the dominion of sin as though sin had not dominion where it is acted and such like confused stuff you utter lest any should believe freedom from sin and you lose your Kingdome Quer. 6. Seeing you say the Scriptures is the ground of faith and that they who can read the Scriptures have power to believe as you did the last first day then I say can any believe who have not read or heard the Scriptures if yea then is not their faith without ground by your opinion or is there more grounds of faith then one or is the Scriptures Christ 6. Answer and Reply In stead of answering this you call me a lyar for telling you the truth the time and place where and when you did affirm that whereof I told you in my Quere and hundreds may witness it for which I then withstood thee and thy companions among whom it was spoken Quer. 7. Seeing you affirm that none can be Ministers of Christ but who are called of Man and are learned men whether was the Apostle Paul a true Minister who saith he was neither of man nor by man and what he preached was not after man Nor was it but by revelation Gal. 1. 2 11 12. Or was Peter John and the rest true Ministers who were unlearned and ignorant men Act. 4. 13. and what lets that God may not chuse such now 6. Answer and Reply This is answered like the former by denying what thou and thy companions did affirm at the Mouth before many witnesses and if thou said some and another other some and all was as one was it not affirmed by you but it s no new thing to say in words what you will deny when you should prove in writing but be●ng called lyar by thee is little matter so many knowing I speak truth Farther thou sayest I oppose Christs commands and bely his Institutions in general wh●ch are but two lyes more to the number Another lye you tell of God saying you dare boldly assert that God never did nor never will use any extraordinarie meanes to destroy the ordinarie I say was not the brazen Serpent outward Circumcision and Carnal Ordinances ordinary means and did he not by the extraordinary means of his spirit destroy these and if it thus befal that which he had commanded when they committed Idolatry therewith then what shall become of your Idol-worship such as he never commanded now at his spiritual appearing though the Heathen had bespoiled of their Idols yet down you must and the event will declare it Quer. 8. What eye is that which the God of this world hath blinded how he hath blinded it and how it is opened and by what and whether the Letter can open it yea or no 8. Answer and Reply This you excuse saying you have not read any such thing I say its a hard lesson for the blinde to read but that eye was Christ and his Ministers sent to open of which you are blinde and cannot read Quer. 9. Whether the true Ministery of Christ be the same now for matter means and maintenance that it was in Apostles time or when was it changed into great Livings Tythes and set Maintenance and by whom and in what must it now differ from these 9. Answer and Reply In this you have excluded all the Parish Ministerie in the Nation in that you say the Ministerie of Christ is the same now for matter
its fruits Heresie in you If Diabollical then cease like Simon Magus to seem to be some great one to draw Disciples after you and resist this spirit in your self better repent then perish Ans The power that worketh in us is Divine Isa 26. 12. Phil. 2. 13. and the tree is known by its fruits and that is Antichrist and Heresie and Diabolical who hath no faith nor knowledg in them And such like Simon Magus would by or sell it for mony if they had it And these are Antichrists which John speaks on who cannot confess Christ in them And such we resist by the Spirit in us Quer. 21. Whether it be by the spirit of Satan or the power of God say you that worketh by Charmes whereby some of your Proselytes have been possessed with Divels as Gilpin Mary White and others And whether Peter or Simon Magus be the Apostles of Christ or whether it be the work of the spirit of God to inspire with the holy Ghost or with Satan and hereby let us know whether you be Saints or Sorcerers Make it out upon a Gospel account Ans The lyars and those that have no faith in them are possessed already but when the light of Christ is preached the Divel that hath possessed them comes therewith to be judged who then sets up his Charms to tempt them and turn them back again into his old way which if he effect it then his Ministers cryes them up for converted Christians as they did Gilpin till they were ashamed on him for his Drunkenness So they become your Proselytes for after the Divel get up with his Charmes in them they abide not with us For the spirit of God judgeth all Charmes and charming Worships and inspires with the holy Ghost But they who have no faith in them are inspired by Satan Hereby we know Saints from Sorcerers Quer. 22. And since you so much raile against Superiors and Dignities c. Ans Where the Quere is begun with a lye the intent thereof is easily seen What is the Superiors and Dignities we have railed against the latter part of your Quere makes it manifest Because we will not call your Ministers Masters as well as Rulers I say they are blinde that take them for either But since this is the thing you mean Is not Christ a Railer also with you who forbade the same before us if the Follower be guilty surely the Leader cannot be free And whereas you ask if Stewards of the Mysteries of God be inferior to the Word Master I say he may well be said to have no faith or knowledge in him that calls them either for there was never any of the Ministers of Christ who were Stewards of his Mysteries that were called of men Masters Neither will all your pleading for it obtain it from any who know the one Master Quer. 23. Did not your spirit speak in Korah Dathan and Abiram and their adherents c. Ans I say no Our spirit was opposed there as it is now by you And the spirit of Diatrophes you tell on is that which loved the preheminenee and is now pleading for Mastership which we oppose with its Doctrine by which the holy Men of God ever suffered and now suffers even unto blood for the testimony thereof even for the Lord Christ within us which you render as a reproach so to say which we count great riches and the hope of glory which you who deny faith and knowledge within oppose in a spirit of presumption and abomination Quer. 24. Is a lye the fruit of an in falliable or falliable spirit and may not a true Church erre and so be falliable Or may it erre and yet still be infallible or is pretence of infallibility or assurance that that Church so pretending is a true Church or did any of the Apostles boast of infallibility c. Ans A lye is the fruit of a fallible spirit Therefore is there so many heapt up in your Book who deny the infallible spirit and faith within For he that hath not an infallible spirit hath a lying spirit as you have sufficiently manifested And the true Church is in God the Father and in Christ Jesus his Son which is infallible But neither the Church of Rome nor yours is it who are without God in the world who scoff at the Lord Christ within us and render it as the sin of Korah for us to confess him How should there be ought else in you but a lying spirit And the Apostles boasted of an infallible spirit from which nothing could separate them with which they were sealed to the day of Redemption after they believed in the light which you that deny faith within have little knowledge of and so oppose you know not what and therefore are looking for miracles for your adulterous spirit and sayes is not the spirit fallible I say stop your mouths you lying spirits The spirit of God is not fallible nor did you ever know it who would so render it which spirit you that have not you speak of your selves and judge with a lye and the pure light you know not but are in the hellish darkness you tell of As these errors following which are gathered out of the heap of your confusion may witness That the new birth is a Remission of sin That the new birth is nothing else but a sanctified mind and will That the mind and will of man is the matter whereof the new Creature or Image of God is made That the new birth is the work of the spirit the ministery of man as the matter That he that knows the new birth by the letter of Scripture knows it not without the light and yet saith closing with the law written in the heart is contrary to the Gospel and that the Gospel is not made known by seeing within That their sins was no sins before the Letter of the Law was given That the Saints before the Letter was given had immediate Revelations of Gods vvill but since as Israel did in Canaan so lie at Rack and M●nger That if the Lavv vvhich God hath vvritten in the heart be novv sufficient then God vvrought a work in vain in giving the Law at mount Sinai That the Gospel is not made known by seeing within That the faith and knovvledge of the Disciples of Ephesus was not within That private Saints had never particular and peculiar commands That the Apostles was to plant but not to keep in order the Vineyards That as Satan is a Serpent so is Christ That closing with the Law written in the heart is contrary to the Gospel That the Law written in mans heart were not sufficient to its proper end Many more such blind confusions I might have gathered out of the heap but these may serve to shew what you know of the new Birth The new Covenant or Christ whom it is The Apostles Ministry or the Saints commands The Gospel light The knovvledge of sin or your selves but