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A35013 The third part of Babel's-builders unmask't in a reply to a piece of hypocrisy &c. published in the name of T. Laurence whose great age may somewhat mittigate his crime, and therefore this is chiefly intended for the approvers thereof. Crisp, Thomas, 17th cent.; Lawrence, Thomas, 1645?-1714. William Rogers's Christian Quaker. 1682 (1682) Wing C6954A; ESTC R29745 10,167 10

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which was given to the Gentils and it is but the Gentile Nature that glories in Lording over their Brethren and giving Laws to their Consciences for if G. F. should say he is moved to set up Jewish or Romish Ceremonies and 66. in a London Metting say It is Christs great Ordinance as such he may find some who may be so blind as to deny their own Light although they think it true to obey G. F. but such a Submission once cost a Prophet dear and the Children of Israel were not to dance about the Calf and say These be thy Gods although no less Man than Aaron was concerned And in p. 12. Hyp. There are Outward Forms that God ownes and stays in But these words of I. N. by you cited are much perverted to make them speak for compelling or conforming without or against Conviction but are quite contrary and are thus p. 27. Test Who have Spiritual Worship can no longer stay in any Form than God stays therein but by his Spirit are led into whatsoever he goes and out of whatever he departs Here is no Outward Limitation to G. F's Laws And Hyp. in p. 12. We do own the Power of God and the Form which he hath led us into But would you but do as you would be done by which is the Duty of all Christs Disciples then you would allow others the same Liberty as you take for what proof give you only you say so but if those you call Apostates say so then Rotten Heart and joyned to the Son of Perdition as in p. 9. of Hyp. you will have all Judgment and be sure to acquit your selves and condemn others but the difference is not about what you own but that you would compel others to own the same Would you but allow others their Liberty to enjoy their Faith in God and his Law in their Hearts as you do yours in G. F. and his Laws I know not of any great difference only you will manifest your selves to be some of the Lo here 's come to G. F's comely Order but Christ said go not forth the Lord knows who be his and needs hot G. E's Livery to be known by that will not prove the Wedding Garment when the Muster views his Guests And in p. 12. Hyp. What Is P. E. B. and W. P. apply to false Churches concerning Outward Orders that you apply to G. F. and Friends in Truth Compelling and Imitation without Inward Conviction is as false among you as any and more detestable and Liberty of Conscience due from you of any People because that was the Foundation of your gathering every one to know the Light in his own Heart These following be your false and unrighteous Accusations and Assertions 1st p. 3. Thou saist in thy Title You are Gods Israel and all that oppose you Pharaohs Task-masters 2. And in the Post-script You are followers of the Lamb all others worshippers of the Beast 3 d. p. 8. Thou accountest all that oppose thee and your side have the Beasts Mark 4. p. Thou saist Thou hast the Saints Seal and and others the Beasts Mark 5 ly p. 9. Thou dost not only disown the good Order of Truth but the Language of Truth 6th p. 4. Thou saist is Is P's Testimony which thou told his Son thou never read'st nor saw 7th p. 8. T. C. his stollen words which he doth not deny but saith he took them out of W. R. 8th p. 8. In pretence to prevent ill Orders thou wilt have no Outward Orders 9th p. 5. Thou art for many folds out of Gods Protection 10th p. 6. Thou hast found another Administration than God gave by his Spirit at Pentecost 11th p. 7 You Villyfie with reproachful Terms and call Christs Government set up by his Spirit and Power in his Instruments Outward Orders and Rotten Orders c. 12th p. 1. The Foundation of thy work is not the Light of Christ within thee but W. R. his Book without thee T. C. never used that word Rotten that he remembers nor any ereverent Expression to any of Christs Laws only against making G. G. his Laws and Traditions Christs Doctrine and all these Accusations of yours thou sayest or thou dost be false and you have not nor cannot prove them for T. C. doth no where say so nor believe so as the Preface makes appear that I am against Judging others for difference in Judgment or Practice and that God hath some sealed ones among you c. 13th p. 4. A perverting and not Is P 's Testimony See p. 10 T. L. sayeth a little of that T. C. cites is Is P. his Testimony 14th p. 9. More might be said to T. C 's stollen words 15th p. 5 T. C. mingles and perverts Is P's Sence and Meaning By mingle you must mean put in other words among Is P's which be not his which is false and for perverting let Truth in all Judge whether those Testimonyes of Is P. cited by T. C. be for Liberty of Conscience or compelling all to an Outward Form 16th p. 5. Thou makest ill use of his words i.e. Is P. to uphold a bad Cause I do make no other use of Is P. words but to maintain Liberty of Conscience against Impositiou which once you thought a good Cause but now having assumed to your selves Power and Rule change your Judgments c. As G. F. said of Liberty of Conscience he liked not the word 17th p. 6. Thy Writings are obscure and dark Counsel by words without Knowledge and plainly prove that your Side is joyned to the Man of Sin and Son of Perdition If T. C. his Writings be obscure it is because you have given up all your Judgment also to G. F. c. i.e. as the Barbadoes Church did and therefóre cannot discern 18th p. 7. And yet you own Persons going up and down preaching which is false and Contradiction But the Apostles to the Hebrews and John then were false and contradicted for they said in latter days God would write his Law in the Heart and should not need any to teach but yet taught 19th p. 11. Erroneous and Schismatical Doctrines broached by thee and such as thou art These words follow in answer to G. B. his Test. p. 11. Seek not to undervalue that to which you were sent to Minister Which words of G. B. be sound for G. B. meanes not that they preach to or Minister to Christ but to turn to the measure of Christs Light in their own Hearts as the Seed is come to turn unto or for the good of which the Ministry was sent It is plain he meanes to turn People to the seed and not that Christ was in want of or bettered by the Creature Therefore thou hast not nor canst not prove G. B's Erroneous and Schismatical but your selves False Accusers 20th Thy Copy is false subscribed the chief words left out and other mords put in dishonesty to serve thy turn as thy usual manner hath been through thy Book
If it had been all the Judgment why should T. C. call it an Abridgment but there are no words left out that wrong the sense of them cited nor any words added therefore that is false and why did you not cite what those added words were but that you could not for there was none These afore mentioned be about 20 false and unrighteous Accusations and Assertions in your Hyp. And here follows some of your Contradictions In p. 4. of Hyp. you say Here is a Perversion but not Is P 's Testimony which contain 4 pages and a half in T. C's and not one word added only some words left out for brevity but not to alter the sense but in p. 10. you having cited a few words from T. C. and from four several pages and very imperfectly too and added and diminished to the altering the Sense and pervert the meaniug and yet you say this is Is P. his Testimony of them few pieces of Sentences and have affirmed false and contradicted your selves also you scoff T. C. What cannot he preach without a Text c. p. 9. T. C. his stollen words and W. R. his Book is the foundation of T. C 's all is proved false your selves do the same you take your Text from Is P. and therefore take back to your selves what you wrongfully charge T. C. with What canst not preach without a Text p. 5. Blush for shame and own your Condemnation before your Hearts be wholly hardened These following be the Quotations from T. C. by T. L. in his Hyp. Those words that be of a different character were by them left out and the Sense thereby altered they have twice added to G. B. his words in p. 6. 7. without Persons and withou respect of Persons and in several other places have added words which be here omitted and in p. 10. they say thou sayest declaring and speaking is not in the disposition of Persons and the Form was once true until the Dragon entred and cite p. 19. but I cannot find the Sentences in all that page p. 3. Hyp. Thou saist the Seed is come and The Heir is many who is not to be under Tutors and Gevernours which must not be limited Here they leave out in many and so render the Sentence general when it is restrictive Some have of late acted far contrary and have endeavoured to promote Government and Orders even to the compelling others before Convincement here they leave out many words but that word endeavoured doth manifestly alter the Sense And you say in p. 4. Away with calling your selves the People of God as a Body of People It is not hereby meant but that God hath of your Tribe many sealed ones but not more for being only of your Tribe let none boast and think themselves the only People of God and Judge all others they leave out the chief Scope of the Sentence and mangle them in pieces and take but 8 words in the beginning and two at the latter end and put to them and leave out all between Judge and others and so pervert the sense Let none boast and think themselves the only people of God and Iudge all others but rather esteem others better than your selves Here they leave out Iudge all others in the midst and take a word numbers from another page and add to these And Page 12 the Kingdom of Heaven is within and consists in Righteousness Joy and Peace in the Holy Ghost and not in speaking one sort of spech or language and conformihg to Orders and Prescriptions from without There also they leave out in the middle what the Kingdom consists in and is the material Part of the Sentence Again Pag. 12. Hath not God said by some of you He will teach his People himself now according to Scripture and you also have declared he is come and known yet you will not like good Joshua fall down and give way but still hold the People or limit them by your Orders and Directions Here by leaving out the middle and putting both ends together they jumble and misplace the words also And again Pag. 7. you say Uniformity is good to be desired but to strive to bring to● fleshly Vniformity which insnares and overbears the tender Conscience is not good nor Christian the Apostle did not bid force another into one Mind but bids walk together as they had attained and where any were otherwise minded God should reveal The work of the Ministry is to bring into the Unity as Persons are able to follow and not force into one Practise that is the way to destroy Faith c. Here you may see they leap over all the chief of the Matter wherein the Unity is and of what it consists and add nine words of another Sentence that stand near 20 lines from them and add them to them in the beginning of the Sentence but all that treat of any Unity in difference of Practice that they leap over 30th We do approve of Monthly and Quarterly Meetings for the necessary Service of the Truth so we further say as this or any other Meetings of Friends in Truth shall be continued to answer these Services we believe as it now is It also will become our Duty to be at Unity with our Brethren in the Service thereof Here they leave out the Services for which they approve of Meetings and apply the Approbation to the Forms and Times of those Meetings Viz. Monthly and Quarterly Now Friends Who are the approvers of that Hypocrisie consider your work I present you with about twenty false Accusations or Assertions and about ten Citations in every one you have added or diminished words in some to the pervertion of the sense also consider how disingenious you have been in many places to say Thou saist yet quotes not nor referrest to what page thereby giving much trouble to find from whence you take your words And tho you reflect in the begining of your Hypocrisie c. It this thy gentle beginning Yet prove no ungentleness but proceed to scoff at T. C. and declare him joyned to the Son of Perdition Rotten hearted a painted Sepulchre Stolen words And in pag. 9. 14. Words putting in dishonestly yet cannot prove any words so put in but have done that you wrogfully charge me with viz. added diminished and curtailed by picking out words from several places to the perverting the sense much which I should not have noted so much but to shew how contrary to Christs Rule you act Do as you would be done by for remember What you mete shall be mete unto you Again p. 4. of Hip. you say T. C. abuses I. Ps. words when he cites them to the same occasion as they were wrote to shew that Compelling or Forcing to Unity was by Christ excluded his Church as the Title of that Book T. C. wrote them from shews Also the words themselves and I. Ns. in p. 27 29 c. are all against Imitation and Outward Conformity without the Spirits leading thereto and for Unity and Love under different Practises Therefore your saying p 10 Hypoc That they be quoted by T. C. against himself is very perverse for he is not against outward Unity if as Is P. saith It be by the Lord effected yet notwithstanding so many falshoods in this little Hypocrisy of yours in Pag. 4. you say You deny all evil Opinions and all that be in Truth be out of them But these false Accusations and Assertions forementioned be evil Opinions and that 's another false Assertion Therefore take your own saying p. 8. Thou who condeninest another and dost the same thing art inexcusable And if your own words be true your are out of the Truth Wherefore as in your fifth Page Blush for shame I am weary of raking in such dirty puddles Pag. 9th Thomas Crisp