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A04491 A dialoge describing the originall ground of these Lutheran faccions, and many of their abuses, compyled by syr William Barlow chanon, late byshop of Bathe; Dyaloge descrybyng the orygynall ground of these Lutheran faccyons, and many of theyr abusys Barlow, William, d. 1568. 1553 (1553) STC 1462; ESTC S101046 40,661 178

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penaūce to be preached in remyssyon of synnes whiche maner of preachynge the aposties after his assention obserued contynuallye exhortynge the people vnto penaūce and to the drede of God whiche is the begynnynge of wysedome the inseparable companion of penaunce and necessaty introduction to fayth The worde of God bryngeth for the penance accordyng as we rede in the actes of the apostles .iii. the at saynt Peters preaching thei were compuncte in hearte and offred them selfe to pennaunce This vnfayned pennaunce leadeth men to faythe and is the entre to the gospel Mar. i. Do ye pennaunce sayth Christ and beleue the gospell Which beleif can not be attayned wythoute the dreade of God For it is the fulnes of scyence whereby we come downe first to know oure self so ascende to the knowlege of God by his word whereoute through hearynge fayth taketh her effect The maiestie of goddes worde is of that nature to prostrate the presumpcyon of mannes wysedome affyaunce in our selues exylyng thaffections of carnall liberte mouing vs wyth a readynes of minde certayne trimbling feare to say with saynt Paule Lorde what wyllest thou vs to doo Thys reuerent drede had Cornelius Centurio whan the ioyful messenger of God appeared vnto hym to whō with feare abashed he sayd Lorde who art thou in whose commendation it is written there Actes .x. that he was a deuout man and dreding god Likewise Luk. iij. y● shepe herdes whan y● aungell of glad tidinges appeared to them and y● brightues of God shone roūd about thē hauyng thys drede were astonnyed in them selues to whom the aungell spake Be not afrayd ●o I shew you great ioye that shall be to all people for there is borne a Sauyoure which is Christe oure lorde In Exodo it is wrytten .xiiii. y● people feared God and so beleued hym hys seruaunt Moyses And they that drede god sayth the wysemanne shall not be vnfaythfull to hys worde Alsoo Saynt John rehearseth in his Apocalypse sayinge I sawe an aungell flyenge by the myddes of heuen hauing the euerlastinge Gospell that he shoulde preach to the dwellers vppon yearthe to euery nacion trybe and tonge and people saying wyth a greate voyce Feare ye God But now cometh the aungell of Sathan wyth his ydle iustifycations and vayne promyses cleane contrarye perswading that we nede no workes of penaūce nor satysfaction for our synnes lyth Chryste hath satysfyed for vs all ready onely to beleue is ynoughe wythdrawynge people from the godly drede How be it leaste his disceate shulde be easelye perceaued he transfygureth hym selfe into a trewe angelles lykenes sometime tea chynge vertuouse maners brotherlye charyty the example of Christes actes oure nedefull accomplyshment of thē wherin he wolde seme to profyte a few to the intente he myght begyle many And dyuers of hys Disciples counterfeytyng the apostles fashyon other whyles alledge scryptures in theyr right sences with the same deuoute synceryte that Sathanne hym selfe dyd in temptynge Chryste when he sayd to him God hath commaunded his aungelles c whiche was the very scrypture truelye recyted all though to a wronge purpose But where as he in his owne person coulde not ouercome Christ our head he ceasseth not to supplante vs hys Christen members by hys false Disciples and is lyke styll to preuayle oure merytes deseruing the wrath of god excepte he of hys infinyte goodnes and gracyous pytie vouchesafe to reconcyle vs agayne vnto hys fauour and be oure protectour whose mercy is the onely staye that we be not all consumed Therefore lette vs drawe nere with confydence to the throne of grace the we may gette mercy and fynde grace to helpe vs at nede contynuallye hauynge in oure remembraunce the voyce of the aungel sayinge Feare ye God and geue hym honoure for the hour of iudgement commeth And worshyp ye hym that made heauen and yearth the sea and fountaynes of waters to whome be prayse for euer wythout ende Amen Fare ye well Nicholas Wyllyam NOw welcom good brother frōparties of beyonde the sea We haue sore longed for your safe retourne hopynge to heare some newes from oure Euangelyke brotherne of Germanye and in what maner the Gospell doeth prosper there and go forward W. Syr I thanke you for your welcommynge Howbeit concerynge your desyre to be certyfied of them whom ye call euangelyke bretherne I assure you vnfaynynglye that I lyke theyr maner euerye daye worse worse N. What haue ye so sodenly changed your mynd and begynne nowe to fall from the Gospell forsakyng Goddes worde W. Truelye I haue chaunged my mynde from exrours and wronge opinions but neuer entendynge to renye Goddes worde or Christes gospell whereof as farre as I can perceaue they be destitute and muche wyde N. To proue that it were impossible seyng ye can not denye but that they haue Chrystes Gospell in theyr vulgar speche imprēted fre for euery body to loke vpon with contynuall exercyse of euangelyke preachynge of Goddes worde W. In verye dede they haue the exteriour letter with some outwarde apparaunce of zeale towarde it But for all that as towchynge an euangelyke lyfe or a christen conuersation with faythfull fruytes behoueable to the same they be neuer a deale nerer in effecte than were the Jewes whyche woulde haue made Christe theyr kynge not for anye syncere loue that they had to folowe hym in vertuous lyuinge or for reuerence of hys godly worde but onelye in that they thought he would haue satisfied their carnall appetytes and seditious affections wherof to be auctoure he was afterwarde wrongfully suspect euē as we see now a dayes hys gospell euyll spoken vpon thorowe the sclaunderouse be haue oure wycked demeanour of them whom in contempt of good people ye call euangelike Christē brethren auauncynge them selues to be onelye the trewe folowers and obseruers of Christes gospell where as theyr lyuinge manifestly repugneth So that after my iudgemente the cheife captaynes of them may be lykened to Theudas Judas Act. v. which vnder a colour of Messias comynge the very sauiour and redemer from all bondage whose offyce wrongfully vsurpynge by false promyses of lybertye peruerted much people of the Jewes for to folowe thē to theyr vtter vndoyng and finall destruction N. These sedytious personnes to applye vnto Martyn Luther and his folowers is both agaynste the treuth witnes of your owne conscience yf ye duely examyne it For it is playne that thys Theudas and Judas of a presumptious affection and vnquyetnes of mynde wythoute auctorytie of Goddes worde or preferremente of hys honoure sedycyously moued the people to folow thē not God where as Martyn Luther with such other euangelike preachers auaunce not presumptuouselye them selues but god onely nother perswade the people to folowe them but Christe whose Gospell longe season obscured by mennes tradicions they labour to bryng vnto lyght and to restore the captyued conscyences of ignoraunte folke vnto the fredome of Goddes word whereof muche people nowe a dayes
which they had written whole bokes yet in y● ende were they driuen to the old determinatiō of the churche saue least theyr wrytynges shoulde seme in vayne theyr assemblynge to be ydie they founde out some contrariety of so slender importancye that mē may playnlye iudge in them other inuyncyble arrogance disdaynynge to be reformed or elles obstynate malyce sekyng for y● nones to impugne the trewth Concerninge the sacrament of the altare wherin rested the princypall matter of theyr disputation they greately varyed and coulde by no meanes agree Howe be it they concluded at laste that eche parte holdyng them contente with theyr beleife should departe in louynge frendshyppe without any odyous wrytinge frō thence forth one agaynst another N. whether of them obtayned the vyctory W. They deuyded it betwene theym whyle they were presente But sone after theyr departyng the Lutheranes ascribed it to Martyn Luther and contrarye the Oecolompadianes vnto Oecolampadius and Swynglyus N. Use they such crafty conueyaunce in promotyng theyr Gospell W. ye hardely and that without any shame when they be detected of it inforsyng men agaynst their wylles to be fautours of theyr heresyes Dyd not No●iomagus gather certayne sentences out of Erasmus workes which falsely depraued he coupled vnto Martyn Luthers assertions and caused them to be imprynted blasyng abrode that Erasmus and Luther were of one opynion to the slaunderous hynderaunce of his profytable studye of whome after muche other detraction he was not ashamed to craue subsedye in his beggarly indygence Also Butzer playd a lyke pageante with Pomeran in translating his Psalter out of latyne into the Almayne tonge For wher he aspyed any occasion to treat of the blessed Sacramente he plucked out Pomerans sentēces and graffed in his own after no compendyous fashyon which as sone as they were en prynted the fame noysed ouer all that Pomerane vnknowynge to hym was one with the Oecolampadianes whyche afterwarde he apartely detested in dyuers epystles dyscoueryng the false hod of Butzer Suche subtyll dryftes I may tell you among them is daylye not vnpractised N. Well ye haue here rehersed many thinges agaynst them wherein yf I and suche other wold geue credēce vnto your sayinges wythoute surmyse of percialite we shuld sone turne oure affection from theyr learnynge But seyng ye haue bene a fauourer of them and per aduenture bothe spoken and wrytten as largely as the rankest of them all whome ye nowe call heretykes fayne woulde I wyt what mocioned you to take it in hande so earnestlye and now to shyft your selfe from it so lyghtelye W. To shew you the truthe withoute dissimulation howe I was entyced vnto theyr faction the verye begynnynge was this I had redde certayn treatyses of Martyn Luther of the iustifycacion onelye by fayth wythoute good deedes how man had no free wyl how oure good workes auayled vs nothynge to be saued nother oure yll deedes shoulde cause vs to be damned and many other articles whiche he falsely presumed to ground vpon scripture Also I dylygentlye noted howe he descrybed the abuses of Popes Cardinalles byshoppes preistes and relygious personnes declarynge howe the present dekay of the church farre differed from the perfectyon of the Apostles and holy fathers at the fyrst begin nynge wherin he made no lye though in other thīges he spared the truthe Furthermore geuyng eare to the plesaūt rumoures of his reformations highly cōmended amōg new fāgled people it set myne harte so on fyre y● I could not rest vntyll I had bene there with thē After that I had sene Martin Luther Pomerane Melancton heard theyr prechinges perceyuyng theyr order there in Saxonye I went into hye Almayne vnto the Oecolampadians remaynynge there amonge theym was oftentymes conuersaunt with the Anabaptistes In the meane space I sawe many wonderfull alterations as destroyenge of monasteryes pluckynge downe of churches castynge out of ymages breakynge of aultars and caryeng the consecrate stones to the buyldynge of theyr bulwarkes also maryages of prestes monkes freers nonnes contempte of holy dayes anullynge of vygyles fastynge of the lent and embrynge dayes clene reiecte with other laudable ordynaunces instytute by the churche Al places of scripture where mencyon is made of Antichrist false prophetes maysters of lyes such other ▪ they violently applyed vnto y● clergye namynge theym selfe chrysten bretherne dyscyples of Christe and apostles of hys Gospell In denyenge purgatorye and auctorite of y● pope yf they founde in auncyent auctours as much as a corrupte tytle of a pystle sownynge any thynge to theyr purpose all be it the Epystle selfe made whole agaynst it yet wold they take it as the worde of god and sure reuelation of the spyryte Contrarye wyse yfanye alledged Austen Hierome Cypryane or Chrysostome agaynste them they wolde admytte theyr sentences for none auctoryte sayenge they were men all men were lyers In like maner concernynge the sacrament of the aultare where they redde in doctours of the spyrytuall eatynge and ghostelye beynge they onelye accepted that and vnder the coloure therof they woulde exclude the corporall eatynge and bodelye presence of Christ to the establysshinge of theyr blasphemous errors whiche they shadowed vnder the couerte of hypocrysye and persuasions of peruerted scriptures in suche wyse that openlye seyng I could not perceiue them vntyll it pleased God of his inest●mable goodnes to brynge me oute of the lande of darckenes and region of deth vnto the clerenes of his knowledge lyuyng lyght of truth I can not excuse me but amōg the wycked I endeuored my selfe to haue doone euyll but God so mercyfullye preuented me that it came to small effecte in doynge anye harme If I haue bene occasion of any mannes fall or cause of slaunder I am sorye for it and aske forgeuenes Notwythstandynge I neuer defended any opinion obstinately nether despised the admonycyon of any vertuous person that I haue erred was through ignoraunce and of no malicious pertynacite Where ye be in perplexitie of credence geuyng vnto my words I am sure if that I spake accordynge to your appetite ye would put no dyffydence in me whether I said the verite or lyed for it is a playne case amonge the fauourers of these newe sectes that they wyl refuse no forged tales makyng aught for theyr syde be they neuer so fals And seyng ye beleued me in errour ye oughte not to mystruste me nowe in my faythfull reuocacion voluntarye and not coacted N. Clearely many men presuppose that other ye be deluded by y● flatteryng perswasyon of some worldlye persons or elles vtterly geuen into a reprobate mynde throughe gredye desyre of yearthly promotion and appetyte of ydle lyuynge W. It is not in my power to stoppe y● wronge surmyse or mysse reporte agaynst me now enemy vnto theyr errours whyles they abuse the same to y● frendes of theyr heresyes namely where as Sathan is loosed at large and the lyenge goste the spyryte of vntrueth walketh at lyberty vnrestreyned Woulde God they were as prest to
As concernyng the olde testamente God him selfe promyseth in dyuers places that asynner shall be forgyuen hys synnes whensoeuer he wyl do penāce wherfore seig we haue so euident exhortatiōs of scripture mouynge vs to penaunce ▪ and manyfolde warnynges to correct our lyues through the the pacyent suffraunce of god happy are we yet if now atlast ere that it be to late we coulde faythfully saye wyth Job perfourming y● dede lord we haue hard y● wyth our eares therfore we reprehēd our selfs do penaūce N. yet wote I not well what ye call penaunce W. I haue ones told you yet I tell you agayn I call penaūce a chaūge of our lyfe in castyng of y● synfull old man with his dedes and doynge on anew man of vertuous conuersacyon whiche by fayth hope and charyte and the good workes y● come of them as prayer almouse sorow for his synne and payne gladly taken and susteyned for the same is renewed in to the knowledge fauoure of god accordynge to his ymage that made him N. how shuld laye mē come to this knowlege when y● gospell is lockyd fro them W. The gospell of Christe whiche is goddes worde is free and can not be boūde nor kepte frō any Christen man N. By saynt Marye for all that laye people maye not be suffred to haue the newe testament in englysshe whyche I call the gospell W. O ye meane Tyndals Gospell N. In dede though Tyndall was the trāslatour it is the worde of God and the verye same testament whyche ye haue in latyn of the euangelystes puttynge forth W. yetlerned mē and good men haue founden suche fawtes in his corrupt translation that it is for the same well and lawfully forbiden N. if they be good men as ye saye the haue founde it fauty I should reken thē better a great deale which wold amend it W. Though it were amended sufficiently corrected yet wyll I not saye that it is expediente for laye people to haue it considering the time as it is nowe N. Whye ye sayd that the gospell maye not be kept frō christē men W. No more it maye thoughe it be restrayned from the laye people in theyr vulgare tonge For the worde of God whiche is the worde of fayth as Scripture sayth is nere the in thy mouth in thy harte to thintent thou mayste do it N. Than I pray you where saynte Paule sayth that fayth cometh by herynge and herynge cometh by the worde of God how can we haue it without preachynge or information of it by readynge of scrypture W. Outwarde preaching and lyterall redyng of scripture are necessary meanes to attayne vnto the knowlege of the spyrite N. Wherfore then is the Gospell wythholden from the laye people W. I sayd they be two thynges necessarye but I sayde not that both twayne be to euerye man necessary But it is necessarye that euery man haue the tone or the tother and so haue they for they haue the worde of God preched expouned vn to them N. ye as the preistes lyste with false gloses W. Wyth the same gloses that the olde holy doctours sayntes haue made other maner of mē thā Luther Tyndale which now corrupt the trewth wyth theyr false gloses N. But why should not the comē people haue the scrypture them self in theyr own mother tong W Because of theyr abuse makyng of theyr owne gloses many also for theyr vnworthynes accordynge to Christes cōmaundement forbiddynge to cast perles before swyne or to gyue holy thynges to dogges Dyd not saynt Paul forbidde women to speake the worde of god in congregacyons for the auoydyng of abuse and dysorder Also dyd not he and Bar nabas forsake preachyng to the iewes because of theyr vnworthynes N. That is not a lyke case for the text is playn that the iewes wylfully resisted the worde of god and wolde not receyue it But these people are so desyrous that they putte theym selfes in no small ieopardye many tymes for the hauyng of it W. I graunt there be some which of a good mynd are desirous to haue the gospell in theyr mother tōge for the erudyciō cōfort of theyr soules But they that be suche good folk may be wel sufficiently fed with the gospell punched so wyll they rather chese to be than to haue the scrypture ronne in euery rasshe bodyes hande the wold abuse it to their owne harme and other mēnes to For well ye wot many ther be and as it appeareth in Almayne where they haue the scripture translated alreadye the more part and farre the greater multitude are not lesse vnworthye in receyuinge it then were the Jewes in the wylfull resistaunce of Christes gospell whiche couet it onely for the libertie to be free from the exercyse of penaunce and doyng of good workes to rayle and iest of other mennes fawtes wyth out any correctiō of their owne synfull lyues nothyng conformable to the vertue of the gospell whereof to bable manye wordes they are not dombe Marke it there substauncially in cities and townes where ye se the people most ryfest most busye to prate of the Gospell whether they be or not as gret vsurers disceiuers of they re neyboures blasphemous swerers euyll spekers and geuen to all vyces as depely as euer they were This I am sure of and dare boldely affirme that sythe the tyme of this new contencious lernyng the drede of God is greatlye quenched and charitable compassion sore abated Shall ye not se there a cock brayned courtier that hath no more fayth than a Turke lesse christen maners thā a Pagane with lordelye coūtenaūce knauyshe conditions whiche takyng the name of god ī vayne shall vnreuerently alledge the gospell with scoffyng and scornynge in reprehensyon of the clargye where as hys owne ●ewd lyuynge is so vnthryfty that ye can not aspy one good pyont in hym except it be vpon his hosen nor a nynche of honesty besyde his apparayle nor scantly therone neyther beyng al to hacked and iagged wyth dowble weapen redy to fyght and syngle wyt busy to brawle and chyde more lyke a furious tormentour of Herode than apacyēt dysciple of Christ Shal ye not also se there a marchaūt perauēture made a gentyll mā by promocion ere euer that he had a good yemās condicyōs whych gettynge hys chefe substaunce as many do there by vsury false dysceyte of trewe people and other wrongfull wayes wyll take vpon hym to preache the Gospell agaynste the auaryce of relygious persones how they hauyng theyr bare necessary foode ought to parte the resydue of theyr gooddes with pore people where as he hym selfe hath thousandes lyenge by hym in store vnoccupyed and wyll nother help his poore neyghbour nor scarcely gyue a galy halpeny to a nedy creature in extreme necessyte And at theyr belly festig days amonge such of theyr affynyte which are not so wyse nor well lerned as they wolde be sene yf it chaunce them to haue