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A09101 A discouerie of I. Nicols minister, misreported a Iesuite, latelye recanted in the Tower of London Wherin besides the declaration of the man, is contayned a ful answere to his recantation, with a confutation of his slaunders, and proofe of the contraries, in the Pope, cardinals, clergie, students, and priuate men of Rome. There is also added a reproofe of an oratiuon and sermon, falsely presented by the sayd Nicols to be made in Rome, and presented to the Pope in his consistorye. Wherto is annexed a late information from Rome touchng [sic] the aute[n]tical copie of Nicols recantation. Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610. 1581 (1581) STC 19402; ESTC S120349 83,096 196

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lesse nowe For you knowe the saying Cicero Qui semel verc●undiae limites transierit eum gnauiter impudsntem esse oportet 1. Timo. 5. And S. Paule geueth but a hard sentence of those which haue brokē their first faythe and promise And as for that he addeth of his minde to be saued it is of small importance for I thinke that rare trobleth him litle as it maye appeare by the reste of his dealinges which I shall haue after occation to touche Slaunderinge of others WE HAVE had a vew in the former part The secod● parte of the one side of Ihon Nicols his tongue verie smothe as you sée cléere in his owne praise But now if we turn vp the other side also we shall finde it no lesse cankered and venimous in the slander of his neighboure then the former was currant in his owne cōmendation And here before I passe any further very gréefe of minde enforceth me to ●●eake a word or two in detestation of a certaine familier propertie of Ihon Nicols which is wilful malitious detraction● For as it is a great faulte to fauour detraction in any degrée or to vtter easily a true reproche to the infamie of any man soe to deuise lyes and slaunders without any reason or ground at all and to auouche thē of a mans owne knowledge as Ihon Nicols dothe is a poynt of a very deadly resolution made within the den of a desperat harte What cause I haue to vtter these wordes shall appeare in the sequel of this part which for more perspicuites sake I will reduce vnto certaine genaral poyntes acording to the diuersitie of parties which are slandered in the same But first by the way I am to examine a reproche layd down by Ihon● Nicols in the very beginning of his booke against all Catholiques by which you shal haue a gesse of his truthe in reportinge other maters héerafter A tast of Iohn Nicols truthe in reporting He saithe therfore amongest other thinges in his preface that Catholiques hould the soule of Aristotle to be in purgatorie thence to be deliuered by dirges and masses And this is the first and formest of his reportes against vs the whiche howe malitious grosse and impudent a slaunder it is all the world can witnesse which séethe our bookes wherin we hould more then the plaine contrarie For we are soe farre of from saying that infidels or heritiques goe to purgatorie as also we teach that manie Catholiques departe hence straight to hell for their wicked lyues and onlye such goe to purgatorie as dye in the fauoure of God This place is soe interpreted by saynte Aug in psa 37. li. 21. de Ciu. ca. 26. li. de fide ope cap. 10. in psal 80. but haue not dōne such penance for their sinnes as Goddes iustice requireth and therfore they are to be purged by fire after this lyfe and so saued as S. Paule signifieth 1. Cor. 3. by the interpretation of the holye Fathers We teache then as it maye appeare in the Councell of Florence in li●eris vnionis Orig. ho. 12. 13. in Hiero ho. 25. in Nu. ho 6 in Exod. Greg. lib. 4. dia. cap. 39. Beda in ca. 3. Luc. that there are thrée sortes ●f men which dye one verye good which ●oe straight to heauen one verye euill which goe straight to hel one meane be●wixt both which goe to purgatorie and ●here may be reléeued by the pietie of the ●iuing This was the doctrine of the Ca●holicke Church twelue hundred yeares ●ast sett doune by S. Austen a chéefe do●tour of the same Church in dyuers pla●es of his workes most plainlie as in his Enchiridion cap. 110. Whose wordes are these Doctryne about the dead iu S. Austens time Nether is it to be denyed that the ●oules of the dead are releeued by the pi●tie of their liuinge frendes when the sa●rifice of our Mediatour is offred for thē or ells almes are geuen for them in the Chruch but yet those things profit only those which deserued whiles they li●ed that these thinges might profit them after their death For there is a kinde of ●yfe nether so good but that it may need ●hese thinges after death nether so euill ●ut that these thinges may profit it after death But yet there is another kinde of ●ife so good as it needeth not thes things ●nd againe another so euil as it can not be holpē by those things when it is o●● gone Wherefore in this lyfe all me●●e● is to be gotten by the which a man may be releeued or oppressed after this lyfe● But let noe man hope to obtaine that at God his ●ande after he is dead which he neglected while he was aliue Wherefore these thinges which the Church doth vse for the commending of the dead are no● contrarie to the saying of the Apostle a● we shall stande c. for that eche man whiles he was yet liuing in flesh ● Cor. 15. gate him selfe this merit that those thinges might profit him For they do not profit euery man and why doe they not profit al bu● onely for the dīfference of lyfe which ec● man did lead in his body therfore when sacrifices ether of the aulter or of any o●ther almes are offered for all those tha● died in baptisme for the very good they are thankes geuing for the not very euil they are propitiations or intreatinges fo● pardon for the very wicked althoug● they helpe not the dead yet they comfor● in a sort the liuing Hitherto are S. Au●sten his words and he repeteth the ver● same againe in his seconde question t● Dulcitius and the like in his 21● booke o● the citie of God the 24. chapter Wherby it appeareth that his Church taught thē as directlye against our aduersaries as we teach now But of these matters we shal haue occasion to speake more in the thyrd part of this answere Onely here I meant to confute the slaunderous lye of Iohn Nicolls and to geue you some shewe of his shamelesse forhead wherewith I must haue often combate hereafter in this second part which now I beginne according to the diuision promised before of the principall parties slaundered in the same which for methods sake may be reduced to this order The order of this secūd par● First of the Pope secondlye of the Cardinalls thirdly of the prists and religious folks fourthly of the English studētes in Rome ●iftly of particuler persons lastely of the citie of Rome it selfe for that all these haue tasted of the whippe of Iohn Nicols tongue without exception Of the Pope Iohn Nicols for lacke of matter rather then malice could haue bene contēt as it séemeth to passe ouer with silence the Pope which now is but onely for breaking the custome of his companiōs and offending the appetites of his compartners whoe coulde not haue take● well the omittinge of the Pope beinge the principall obiecte of their diuinitye For which