But he goes on in his old way saying That they will not enter unless they may enter by their own righteousness and not by the blood of the Covenant First by the blood of the Covenant you will not enter that is clearly often proved We say it hath been falsely charged but never yet proved for Christ Jesus we witnesse to be a Covenant of Light and an entrance into the Kingdome which is everlasting by faith in his blood to us is administred by which we are redeemed from our former vain conversation and from whom we receive power and strength to do his will and not our own who of God is made unto us wisdome righteousness sanctification and redemption He further sayes Then it must be by your own righteousnesse if you expect to enter but in truth you never look to come there We answer as before an entrance is freely administred unto us into the kingdome which is everlasting but not by our own righteousnesse for we suffer the losse of it with our bodily exercises will-worship voluntary humilities with vain imitations forms and traditions which we sometimes lived in while short of the life which none knows but they that hath the Son in whose righteousnesse alone we now stand and rejoyce in the losse of our own that we might be found alone in him in whom is acceptance the will the deed and the power is onely his and so is the glory for ever And then T. C. brings these words of J. N. There is a seed to which the promise of Redemption is c. Doth not the Apostle say the same in effect The promise is to the seed not seeds as of many c And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed c. J. N. also saith All who know the redemption of Christ by his precious blood are redeemed from the vain conversation c. And much more he hath to the same purpose wherein he clearly and fully declares that he owns Justification and Redemption of persons not by their own rigteousnesse but by the blood of Christ and so the witnesse Th. Collier produces for him is found to give testimony against him Another charge against us is That we leave the weighty things of faith and obedience to the Laws and Ordinances of Christ as vile and contemptible And for his proof he saith This is a truth there needs no proof But we say this is a lye that cannot be proved But he goes on with his work saying Else what means not onely their leaving undone the Ordinances of Christ as Baptisme Church-fellowship breaking of bread c. Even the whole profession of the faith of the Gospel but reproaching it and those who in faithfulnesse to Jesus Christ walk in obedience to Christ therein Now this we say as before the Ordinances of Christ do we own and his dayly cross do we witness yea one Baptism even the Baptism of Christ have we received and are baptized into his death and the fellowship of his sufferings being content patiently to suffer with him for a while that we may reign with him for ever yea and Church fellowship are we brought into and live in where our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ where all the faithfull feeds at one Table and drinks of one Fountain being heirs of one inheritance and the life and power of the Gospel do we partake of and far from reproaching it or any others the Lord is our witness for by him are we taught better things and all those who in faithfulnesse obey him we dearely own and in the life have unity with but such as we find making a profession of the name of Christ his Ordinances the Faith of the Gospel and obedience to him and know not his voice but are setting up their own inventions imitating such as went before without their Authority and knows not the true Faith which purifies the heart gives victory over sin and the World but are drawing Iniquity with cords of vanity abhominations reigning not Christ iniquities apparently written in their foreheads not the Fathers name these are they who professe God in words but in deeds deny him against all such do we bear testimony and let such as names the name of Christ depart from Iniquity for because of such things is the wrath of God revealed and let all those who professe the faith of the Gospel shew it by their vvorks of Righteousness and not live in vvorks of vvickedness for vve dare not count them clean vvhich are vvicked but in the name and fear of the Lord vve say vvo unto them that call evil good and good evil that put darknesse for light and light for darknesse and are dravving Iniquity vvith cords of vanity Then he produces J. N. in his love to the Lost concerning Baptisme where he saith their forms of Water and God cannot be limited to any form or rudiment now J. N. is speaking of such as keep themselves disputing and jangling about outward ceremonies in an imitation of Johns Ministry calling it the Baptism of Christ but so far from the power of Christ or John as not come to the form of either and saith their form of Water and God cannot be limitted c. And we say such may well be called formes of Water who are thus taking on them forms but are from the life and power as their own Confession witnesse Tiverton writing T.C. further saith let them not think this will be a good excuse for them in the great day of the Lord that we took them up from the Letter to which we say the day is come that they that worship God must worship him in Spirit and in truth and for all your litteral obedience you are no better then those of whom the Lord speaks Isa 1. While your abhominations are thus reigning your iniquities apparently written in your foreheads and you drawing it with cords of vanity and are mockers of God formall in holy duties and the World like a canker hath eaten out all the divine sweetness of regenerating sanctifying grace c. as witnesse your own confession in Tiverton writing ' hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as in obeying the voyce of the Lord wash you make you clean c. but T.C. farther saith God can and doth limit his people to a visible Rule and order wherein they shew their faith in him love to him and his Authority over them c. We say that God hath according to his promise tent the spirit of truth which guides his people into all truth and put his Law in their hearts and written it in their inward parts c. And this the Saints in scripture witnessed and by it were kept unto him with whom we give in this testimony that the spirit of truth is come which guides into all truth and all those who are led by it are the Sons of God and so of the
of Christ we own them so but to raile at any we deny unlesse you will call such Language as Peter spoke to Simon Magus spoken by the same spirit to be railing and with them have we unity but against thee and such as thou art do we bear testimony for severall reasons they were redeemed from all Iniquity but ye are drawing iniquity with cords of vanity The grace of God had taught them to deny ungodlinesse c. Your abhominations reigne they were saved by the vvashing of Regeneration but your sin hath eaten out all the Divine svveetnesse of regenerating and sanctifying grace and so by their fruits of holinesse were known to be what they profest but your works of wickednesse deny God though in words you confesse him witnesse Tiverton writing and Paul bids Timothy stir up the gift that was in him Query 10. Why is it not lawfull for Saints now to be raised on in the way of holinesse by imitation or example and as a meanes or a help as well as in the Primitive times according to these Scriptures Mat. 11.29 John 13.14,15 Phil. 3.17 2 Thes 3 9. Answ Christ is given for an example and is a perfect pattern for his to follow and the Saints are to be followed while they walk so as they have him for example but the word Imitation we finde not in the Scripture nor the practice as we take it unlesse the Magicians of Aegypt the sons of Sceva and such like and the Scriptures beforementioned we own Query 11. Whether it be not a cunning device of Satan to judge and condemn all the Saints to be formall and without the spirit of Christ that walke in the Ordinances of Christ on purpose to cause contempt and reproach upon both Christ and his Ordinances Answ Yea it is and as cunning a device likewise of Satan to perswade persons in a form that they are Saints walk in the Ordinances of Christ are set for the defence of the Gospel and yet abhominations reign in them iniquities apparently written in their fore-heads and are drawing iniquity with cords of vanity while they confesse to wait for the counsell of the Lord. Now such as come to the Light of the world and follow it are led out of both into the practice of the true Ordinance and worship whch is in Spirit and Truth Query 12. Whether as the Ministry of the legall Ministration was to open the law of that Ministration Nehem. 8.4.8 So the Ministers of the Gospel are not to have respect to the written rule of the Gospel and to open and apply the same rightly dividing the word of truth according to 2 Tim. 3.15,16,17 Answ The true Ministers of the Gospel are not Ministers of the Letter but of the Spirit and they know the Law written in the heart and have the anointing dwelling in them whose teaching they are to follow and speak as the spirit gives them utterance and then they rightly divide the word of truth Query 13. Whether if any speak not according to the Law and the Testimony it is not because there is no light in them Isa 8.20 Answ They that speak not according to the Law and the Testimony are turned from the light for the Law is light and the Testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy 14. Qu. If all have the true light in them which leads to God why doth the Apostle say Ephes 5.8 Ye were sometimes darknesse but now are ye light in the Lord Answ The true light lighteth every man that cometh into the world He was in the world and the world knew him not but unto as many as received him unto them he gave power to become the sons of God and the light shined in the darknesse when the darkness comprehends it not but a time is witnessed that God commands the light to shine out of darknesse Qu. 15. Whether Christs ascending into heaven when he was taken up in a clond Acts 1.10 be meant that he ascended into the hearts of men Answ It is meant as it is spoken and the Saints have their conversation in heaven and are in Christ and Christ in them John 17. 16 Qu Whether his sitting at the right hand of God making intercession for the Saints be in the hearts of Saints or in heaven Answ The glorious God at whose right hand Christ sits fils heaven and earth and dwells in the Saints whose conversation is in heaven as the Scriptures witnesse 17 Query Whether the Scriptures do not make a reall distinction between Jesus Christ and the Spâ—…t John 16.13,14 Chap. 14.26 Chap. 5.39 Answ The Scriptures testifie that Christ is the Word and that the Father Word and Spirit are one 18 Query Whether God or the Spirit be at all called man or the Son of man the seed of David as Christ is and whether you own Christ to be indeed truly a man of flesh and blood as we are according to Heb. 2.14 Answ Christ is called the Son of Man and he saith I and the Father are one And unto us a Son is borne his name is the mighty God c. And unto the Son he saith Thy throne O God c. And the man Christ Jesus do we own and his flesh and blood do we witnesse which is meat indeed and drink indeed Yea him we own according to Heb. 2.14 but not as you are for he was perfect without spot without sin but ye are wicked your abhominations reigne are drawing Iniquity with cords of vanity Iniquity apparently written in your foreheads as by your own confession appears in Tiverton writing but in his mouth was found no guile Now the wicked think that God is like unto them but he will reprove them and set their sins in order before them 19 Qu. Why the Saints if perfest as you pretend were so much in the sense of sin and confession of it as we finde they were Ps 32.5 Isa 6.5 Rom. 7.24 25. Answ The Saints as they declared a sense of sin so also a purging healing and deliverance from sin as Isa David Paul and others whom the Scriptures witnesse and as they confessed so they forsook and found mercy 20 Qu. Whether a lowly self denying frame of the spirit sensible of finne and corruption and warring against it be not the frame of spirit that most of all becomes the Saints and is most approved of God in Scripture as Isa 57.15 Mat. 5.3 Rom 7.24,25 Answ We know that the Lord dwells with him that is of a contrite spirit and an humble heart and the poor in spirit are blessed and are approved of God even they and onely they that deny selfe daily but there is no peace to the wicked and they do not war against sin whose abhominations reign but they war against Christ who are drawing iniquity with cords of vanity 21 Query Whether this temper of spirit be found in you yea or nay Answ Yea lowly self-denying and truly poor For we suffer the losse of our
you eate my flesh and drinke my Blood you have no life in you if they eate and drinke it it was within them and for the Scriptures by thee alleadged the words without is not at all in them Quer. 2. Whether Christ by his Spirit in the Gospel Ministration do not lead Soules to the beholding of what Christ hath done without them for them yea or nay according to 1 Cor. 15.3 Acts 13.39 2. Answ The Mistery to be Manifested to the Gentiles was Christ in them and Paul travelled that Christ might be formed in the Galathians and the anointing dwelt in the Saints and Christs righteousnesse was to be fullfilled in them and know you not that Jesus Christ is in you except yee be reprobates and the Word without is not mentioned in the Scriptures by thee alleadged Quer. 3. Whether it be fair dealing for your teachers who pretend they own the Scriptures to call it litterall and deny it to be the word of God as Naylor in his love to the lost Concerning the word pag. 14.15 how often doth hee call the Scriptures the Letter as distinct from the word men say the Letter is it c. yet are not ashamed to call their false and nonsensicall sayings the word of the Lord wittness Fox in his word to the Jewes and another to the Gentiles concludes in both that this is the Word of the Lord to you c. and Burrough in his Trumpet his word must be the Word of God believe it those that list Answ If the Scriptures be written with Letters is it not Litteral and the scripture declareth that Christ is the Word of God and hee was in the beginning all things were made by him now where doth the Scripture say so of it selfe and if the word was in the beginning and all things made by it then it must of necessity bee distinct from the Letter now that we call our false and nonsensicall sayings the word of the Lord is false for hee hath not proved the sayings of George Fox or Edward Burrough alleadged by him either false or nonsensicall but if G. Fox Edward Burrough or any other did receive a Message from the Lord to Jewe or Gentile they might say thus saith the Lord and if they write it the writing is a Declaration of it Q 4. Whether there be not a difference between the Word God and the Word of God the Word Christ and the Word of Christ Answ In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and God was the word he was cloathed with a vesture dipt in blood and his name is the Word of God and Paul saith Ephe. 3.17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts c. and Coll. 3.16 let the word of Christ dwell in you c. wee make no more difference between them then Paul or John doth Q. 5. Whether God hath not ever since hee hath been minstering to men by a word or law written Required his people to walke according to the word or Law of the Ministration under which they lived Answ These are the last Dayes wherein the Lord hath according to his promise written his Law in the hearts of his people and this is the Ministration which the Saints live under the anointing dwelling in them and therefore to be obeyed the Mistery made manifest Christ in us the hope of glory Q 6. Whether God hath not broken to pieces and brought to shame all that have turned aside from the written word as a Rule And whether the Quakers be not now going down by the righteous hand of God as the Ranters have done before them Answ That Prophet is now witnessed of whom Moses testified and whosoever will not heare this Prophet shall be cut off yea and broken to pieces all those who will not have him to reigne shall be ssaine before him and although those who now heare witnesse unto him to be the Light the way the truth the word their King Prince Leader and Lawgiver whom this generation calls Quakers may be persecuted scorned reproached slandered scourged imprisoned and slain yet wee are not forsaken by the Lord but the truth prospers and many faithful witnesses are raised up to beare testimony against deceit and Deceivers and the hand of the Lord is with us and against all our Enemies but our Kingdome is not of this world for the Disciple is not above his Lord but the wicked may say there is no help for him in his God and that the Lord hath forsaken him Query 7. Whether seeing that Christ hath foretold that in the last days deceivers should come it might not be your wisdome yet once more to bring your Principles to the tryall of the sanctuary and not to be so over-hold and confident in your way especially there having been so many before you as confident as you whose confidence came to folly it 's never too late to repent if the Lord give grace Answ Deceivers we know are in the world and by their fruits we know them in that Writing from Tiverton thou hast markt out thy self to be one of them as that 's an infallible mark to cry peace to the wicked and art not ashamed to bid those rejoyce whose Iniquities are apparently written in their fore-heads abhominations reign are drawing iniquity with cords of vanity and tell them their King comes in righteousness and in peace More marks thre are of a Deceiver in that Writing which we refer the Reader unto there to minde And as for our Principles they are tryed and weighed in the ballance of the Sanctuary yea tryed in the fire and for the Truth we are bold as Lyons and this confidence we shall never cast away The hope of the wicked shall perish but they that trust in the Lord shall never be ashamed and that repentance do we witness never to be repented of Query 8. Whether the 2 of Tim. 3.15 16 17. be not Scripture where the Apostle saith that the Scripture is able to make wise unto salvation through faith in Christ Jesus and is profitable for reproof for correction c. and is able to make the man of God perfect and thoroughly to furnish him to every good worke And if so why do you so much plead against the rules of Scripture and the Ministry that is according to the Scripture Answ Yea we own it to be Scripture and profitable and with it we correct thee who art found contrary to the Ministry that is according to it And seeing that it 's profitable for the man of God why dost thou plead so much against the Rules of Scripture who sayest perfection is not attainable here but it seems thou excludest thy selfe from being a man oâ— God Quer. 9. Whether Timothy and Titus were Ministers of Christ And if so why do you not rayl at them as well as at us who received their rule without them from the Apostle Paul and not from the Light within as you pretend Answ They were Ministers
own that we might gain Christ in whom all our sufficiency is both to will and to do And though tempted to sin and warring with the enemies of our soules yet are not overcome but are more then Conquerours through him that hath loved us We choosing his Crosse rather then our own liberty which Crosse we have found to be the great power of God to salvation Let him have the glory of all And after all this he saith that he hath briefly run through many things c. through redeeming of time which is precious and called for in other employments We answer how didst thou redeem time when thou inventedst thy Dialogue and so many Lies and Slanders therein against the Innocent What was it moved thee thus to reproach the Lords people who art passing through the Wildernesse towards the Land of Promise and neither eat of thy Bread nor meddle of thy Waters Was it any other ground then what moved Amaleck to fight against Israel Surely hadst thou known the preciousnesse of time and what it is to redeem it thou wouldst not have employed it thus to invent Slanders and Reproaches Yea such things as the Lord knows never came into our hearts but are detested by us And yet thou art found mispending more time to vindicate what thou hadst thus unjustly done Thou mightest well say it was called for to be spent in other employments and the more thou hast to account for For he that knows his Masters will and doth it not shall be beaten with many stripes And then thou sayest It is for the Lord what and yet called for to be spent in other employments what confusion is here But the work shews that it is not for the Lord for will a man lye for God Nay If some that preach in his name must depart as workers of iniquity much more they that speak lyes in his Name He further saith He hath faith given him to believe that God will speedily set a stop to those things and principles that are so dishonourable to him and ruining to souls Verily thy fruits declare what thy faith is no better then a vain hope which shall perish And woe to them which call evill good and good evill We know that the Lord hath wrought for the glory of his name in thus carrying on his truth against all ooposition and sets a stop to the rage of the wicked who had swallowed us up quicke had not the Lord been on our side Yea he puts a bridle in their jawes and a hook in their noses and turns them backward and snares them in the work of their owne hands but delivers those that trust in him praises to his name for ever And then at last he sets down severall particulars about Perfection which we have spoken to already in what goes before and therefore here need not answer but warn thee speedily to repent and fear before the living God who suddenly appears to render to every man a due reward according to his works whether they be good or evill For our God is a God of knowledg and by him are actions weighed Some Queries for Thomas Collier 1 Qu. WHether ever any Minister of the Gospel or one that was set for the defence thereof had at the same time abominations reigning in his soul and was drawing iniquity with cords of vanity 2 Query Whether that be not a false Teacher Deceiver or Lyar and not a true Minister of Christ who cry peace to the wicked even to such whose iniquities are apparently written in their fore-heads since the Lord saith there is no peace to the wicked 3 Qu. Whether the woe of the Lord be not against such who now pretend to wait for the counsell of the Lord that they may know it and yet are drawing iniquity with cords of vanity as it was in the dayes of Isaiah 4 Qu. Whether ever the mouth of a true Minister of Christ were stopt with a slavish fear 5 Qu. Whether he be not an hypocrite who reproves others for their sins while his owne abominations reign in his soul and is drawing iniquity with cords of vanity 6 Qu. Whether Christ words may not well be spoken to such a one viz. Thou hypocrite pull the beame out of thine own eye before thou go about to take a mote out of anothers 7 Qu. Whether they are true Ministers of â—hrist who daily complain and make addresses for maintenance 8 Qu. Whether such might not rather be called greedy dogs which can never have enough 9 Qu. Whether any unclean thing shall ever enter into the new Jerusalem 10 Qu. Whether they that dye in their fins shall not receive the wages thereof 11 Qu. Whether there be a time of cleansing from â—in after the dissolution of the body 12 Qu. Whether the tree doth not lye as it falls 13 Qu. Whether many shall not come at the last day and say Lord Lord in thy Name have we preached cast out Devils and done many wonderfull works To whom Christ will then say Depart ye workers of iniquity c 17 Que. Whether such whose Abominations reign are drawing iniquity with cords of vanity and slavish feare hath stopt their mouths be workers of Iniquity yea or nay 15 Qu. Whether such must not receive the same sentence that Christ pronounces against workers of Iniquity what ever their profession be 16 Query Whether God be not just to render vengeance against all such who in words professe him but in deeds deny him 17 Query Whether he that commits sinne be not of the Devill 18 Qu. Whether they stand in the warfare against sin and the Devill who are drawing iniquity with cords of vanity or whether they are not joyning with Sin and the Devill against Christ 19 Qu. Whether any whose Iniquities are apparently written in their fore-heads and are mockers of God are joyned to the Lord yea or nay 20 Qu. Whether they that are joyned to the Lord are not one Spirit 21 Qu Whether any truly know Christ their Saviour while their Abhominations reigne and are drawing iniquity with cords of vanity 22 Quer. Whether they that are without the sense of Gods Majesty in whom the world hath eaten out all the Divine sweetnesse of regenerating and sanctifying grace who are formall in holy duties and whose Iniquities are apparently written in their fore-heads are built up through that one everlasting Spirit a holy Tabernacle for the living God yea or nay 23 Qu. Whether such as have the forme of godlinesse and are without the power must not be turned from yea or nay 24 Qu. Whether such must not be denyed who are without both form and power 25 Query Whether any of the Ministers of Christ did ever plead for sin and against perfection but for perfection and against sin 26 Qu. Whether Jesus Christ be not the same to day as yesterday and for ever 27 Query Whether they are not Reprobates who do not know Christ within them 28 Qu. Whether ever a Minister of