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A57245 A discourse of the torments of hell The foundation and pillars thereof discovered, searched, shaken and removed. With many infallible proofs, that there is not to be a punishment after this life for any to endure that shall never end. By S. Richardson. Richardson, Samuel, fl. 1643-1658. 1660 (1660) Wing R1405; ESTC R217994 49,345 207

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be understood Mr. Ai●sw on Psal. 16. 10. saith that place through custome is taken for the place of the damned but is not so to be understood the word being Sheol Ma●olat on Apoc. pag. 282. saith the Fire of Gehenna is the place of the damned others of them deny it M. Leigh saith Dives proves it D. Fulk and others deny it See ye not the great doubting and uncertainty they are at among themselves they grope in the dark without light Job 22. 5. by their Reeling Staggering and Stumbling that they are so drunke they can finde no ground to stand upon they understand not whereof they affirm yet each of them hugs his own apprehension It is very strange that in a thing so signall of which they say they see it in the Word of God that they can no way agree concerning it O ye learned in the 7 liberal Sciences tell us how to reconcile these things in point of truth or tell us in as much as ye speak contraries as yea and nay which of you we are to believe Have we not all cause to say herein Where is the Scribe where is the disputer of this world hath not God made foolish the wisdome of this world 1 Cor. 1. 20. he frustrateth the tokens of liars and make diviners mad and turneth wise men backward and maketh their knowledge foolishnesse Isaiah 44. 25. Mr. Edward Leigh Esquire and Master of Magdalene Hall in Oxford presents his reasons to prove Hell-torments or punishment after this life for some to endure never to end let them be considered Prov. 18. 17. Mr. Leigh saith the conscience of man hath a fear of some pun●shment after this life prov●s it Answ. If they have that doth not prove it because the consciences of men are as they are instructed according to the Proverb Such Doctor such Scholar h●nce it is that the conscience of a Papist tells him it is not lawfull to eat flesh in Lent nor of a Friday And whoso killeth you will think he doth God good service Jo●. 16 2. that is his conscience the consciences of some men are almost if not altogether for some evill therefore that proves it not Mr. Leigh the Heathen held there was a Hell a being and place for wicked men after this life Answ. Why did ye not say and prove that they hold that they shall be in torment never to end The Heathens do not believe that there is to be such a punishment after this life for they deny the Resurrection of the body therefore they burn the body and save the ashes in an urn for a memorial they believe as Pithagoras the Phi●osopher ●aught that the soul goeth from one body into another man or beast that some of the Philosophers grew so tender that they would not kill any beast nor fowl for they said it may be it is my brother or my sister These Heathen Greek Poets were long before the coming of Christ in their treble division of the world they fain three Gods Jupiter the god of Heaven Neptune the god of the Sea and Pl●to the god of the Earth in which they say he keeps his Court Palace no word of torment that would make it a poore Court and Palace so Homer and Noninus Greek Poets Homer wrote of the destruction of Troy which was neare a thousand yeares before the birth of Christ Homer is one of the most ancient Records extant it seems in his time there was no mention of a hell of torments never to end the said Poets call Pluto Summanus as being chief of the Maunes or Spirits below to pacifie these ill spiri●s a feast was kept in February with wax candles burning to Pluto called Candlemas-day so Mr. Jess in his Almanack the Cretians are alwaies lyars Titus 1. 12. the greatest lyars in the world that will fancy fain and say any thing is it a thing possible that wax candles above the earth should give light thousands of miles into the earth to pacifie those ill spirits there it seemes they are not in any great torment if a little light will pacifie them the Poets say hell is twice as deep as heaven is high Astronomers say Jupiter the second plannet is 72. millions of miles above the earth if hell be twice as deep it is a hundred and fifty four millions of miles to hell which is Fabulous so there Cerebrus three heads and Charons boat to row men to Pluto so the phantasy of Purgatory did spring first from the Heathen Poets long be●ore the coming of Christ as appears by Plato and Virgil who have described at large the whole Common-wealth and all the orders and degrees of Purgatory these with their Elisium Fields and many other of their barbarisms by long use became venerable Your opinion is fitter for Heathens than for Christians if the Heathens do hold as you do are we to believe in Religion as the Heathen I passe not what they nor any else say unless they can read it me in the Word of God we cry To the Law and to the Testimony if they speak not according to this word it is because there is no light in them Isa. 8. 20. Mr. Leigh saith clear reason proves it God is just many abominable sinners enjoy more prosperity in this life than those that live far more innocently must be punished hereafter according to the multitude and hainousness of their sins Psal. 73. 17. Answ. I see you are more bold to affirm than able to prove doth reason deny the punishment to be just except it never end the Scripture you alledge say they have an end and you say they shall never have an end that is your clear reason to say some are worse than others therefore they are to suffer a punishment never to end so you exclude Mary Ma●dalen and the poor Prodigal b●t it is but your bare affirmation without proof your reason is that God should shew mercy to little sinners but none to the great sinners they must not be saved but this your clear reason is clear against the will and wisdom of God who is pleased to s●ve of the worst of sinners as appears Luke 7. 47. 1 Tim. 1. 19. Acts 9. 13. if some enjoy more prosper prosper ty then others must they therefore suffer a punishment ●ever to end outward prosperity is a great blessing and you make it a great curse if that you say were true there is no cause in the day of prosperity to rejoyce Ecl. 7. 24 nor to say O Lord I beseech thee send me now prosperity Psa. 115. 25. in saying greater sinners you judge according to outward appearances both for sin and punishment and may be mistaken in both what they are in the inner man for sin punishment you know not the heart of unbelief and rebellion of spirit in others nor how God punisheth them in their spirits sin is punished in this life Mr. Leigh saith its just they should suffer for ever who if they had
the present they hope to make God amends for all as an Arminian being drunk said that he was now in the state of damnation but he said he would be in the state of grace to morrow so he comforted himself The lives of many Heathens that have denyed the resurrection of the body and therefore did not hold a hell of torment after have been better then many that seek to escape Hell and get Heaven by their works 2. If fear of hell were a preserver against sin then those that are delivered from the fear of hell that believe they shall be saved they should sin more then others but we find the contrary that none more free from sin then these 3. Experience teacheth that the fear of hell though at first it startleth frighteth men yet that is soon over and is no preserver against sin I knew one set before him the the torments of Hell to keep him from sin and finding that would not do he added vows and curses to keep him from sin I knew another wished the Devil to take him soul and body if he did not doe the thing he spake of and I knew he did it not another wished he might sink into Hell presently if he did the thing he spake of yet did do it before he went from the place the reason is because the lusts of men are stronger than the fear of hell resolutions and curses 2. Because men are given up to their own hearts lusts it may be that they may find that liberty to sinne is the greatest misery and bondage in the world it hath all misery in it whether they sinne with more or lesse feare and could enjoy all the pleasures of sin for a season they will finde they have made a bad bargain of it What fruit had ye of those things whereof ye are now ashamed Rom. 6. 21. If I sin thou markest me Job 10. 14. Be sure your sinne will finde you out Numbers 32. 23. In keeping thy commands there is great reward Psal. 19. 11. in breaking them a great punishment loss of inward peace and comfort a guilty accusing conscience disgrace affliction losses crosses and death the bloody and deceitful man shall not live out half his dayes Psal. 53. 23. I will curse your blessings Mal. 2. 2. see Deut. 28. 3. Men sin beeause they are led captive by the Devil at his will 2 Tim. 3. 6. 2. 26. also men sin because they are under the Law so long as a man is under the law sin will have dominion over a man Rom. 6. 14. Sin shall not have dominion over them that are under grace 4. Men sinne because they have not received power from on high against sinne untill they receive that power they cannot but sin Thou hast led captivity captive and given gifts for men Psal. 68. 18. untill Christ by his spirit set the soul at liberty it is in bondage and enthralled to base lusts But if the son shall make you free ye shall be free indeed John 8. 36. but not till then see Eccles. 8. 11. the punishment of the Magistrates keeps men from abusing others more than fear of Hell men would be exceeding dissolute if under no Discipline of Superiours 5. Men go to sin for comfort sweetnesse and satisfaction but when satisfied they goe not to sin to act for life is no love to God nor self-deniall nor any spiritualnesse nor will it do them good it 's not accepted of God nor will it continue such so restrained oft-times do exceed all others in sin the spirituall soul that lives in the enjoyment of the love of God needs no such weights to procure its motion he acts from a new life and principle to the glory of God and good of others and in this work and labour of love is more sweetness than is in all the pleasures of sin which are but for a season It is great ignorance for any to think that it is in the power of any man to sinne as much as he will if this be proved all Objections are answered and this the Scripture proves that without the will of God men cannot do any thing not so much as go to a City unlesse God will Jam. 4. 13 15. God worketh governeth and disposeth all things after the counsel of his own will Ephesians 1. 11. 1 Ioh 5. 21. Acts 18. 21. Rom. 9. 18. Who hath resisted his will Gods will is done Luke 11. 2. Hebr. 2. 4. Eph. 1. 5. Ac●s 13. 20. the measure of mens sins are set● men cannot do more nor less than their measure they fill up their measure alway 1 Thes. 2. 13 it was determined how oft Peter should deny Christ Luke 22. 31 34. wi●h ver. 61 64. God saith if you will believe him The wicked shall do wickedly Daniel 12. 10. they cannot cease from sin 2 Pet. 2. 14. That which is determined shall be done Dan. 11. 26. he that restraineth the clouds that they drop not down rain he made a decree for the raine Joh 28. 26. and the earth that it bring not forth grass Deut. 2. 23. He that stilleth the winds and the tempest Psal. 107 29 30. that saith to the waves of the sea Hitherto shalt thou come but no further and ●ere shall thy proud waves be stayed Job 38. 11. he r●straineth men from doing their wills when he pleases they would go further but he restraineth them Job 18. that they cannot doe the things they had appointed to doe Genes 20. 6. 31. 24. 35. 5. 30. 10. Revelat. 20. 3 12. O Lord I know the way of man is not in himselfe it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps Jerem. 10. 23. Psalm 73. Prov. 4. 12. A mans heart deviseth his way but the Lord directeth his steps Prov. 16. 9. The preparation of the heart and the answer of the tongue is from the Lord Prov. 16. 1. The heart of the King is in the hand of the Lord as the rivers of waters he turneth it whithersoever he will Prov. 12. 1. Man his dayes are determined Jo. 7. 1. 14. 5 14. and the bounds of his habitation Acts 17. 26. So are his works and sins surely the wrath of man shall praise thee and the remainder of wrath shalt thou restrain Ps. 76. 10. Setting aside the opinions and conjectures of mens devised Fables I am fully satisfied with the testimony of the word of God besides their own testimony which is sufficient against themselves with which I see through the thick darkness of the inventions and traditions of men Severall Considerations that there is not to be a punishment after this life that shall never end 1. We doe not finde the place of Hell mentioned in any of the Six dayes work of God if it be a place it is a created place and so a part of the Creation of God the Whale is mentioned in Scripture if there be a place of Hell it is a greater thing and in