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A70289 A short answer to a book called The fanatick history published with the approbation of divers orthodox divines (so called) and dedicated to the king by Richard Blome (against the Quakers) : which being examined and tried, is found to be a packet of old lies, many of which was seven years since presented to the Little Parliament, and since to other parliaments and protectors, which by us was answered and confuted in the year 1653 many other lies and false reports is gathered up since by them, which herein is answered and disproved : and herein also is a short relation of the twelve changes of governments which have bin in this nation in those eight years, under all of which we have suffered and been persecuted for that truth, which we yet stand witnesses for, against all its opposers / Richard Hubberthorne ; James Nayler. Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662.; Naylor, James, 1617?-1660. 1660 (1660) Wing H3232; ESTC R6755 22,690 31

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since his eternal Power broke forth and was manifest amongst us hath he done great things in the Earth for he hath prepared his way and made it plain before the face of all people by the appearance and testimony of his eternal light in their hearts which hath not only the●e shined but is broken forth into a life of Righteousness in many whom the Lord hath accounted worthy to be his Servants in his work to raise up a seed unto Jacob and to gather the dispersed of Israel and Juda both Jews and Gentiles into the Covenant of Light and Life with the Father from whence the● are erred by transgression and for the accomplishing of this Work and Service hath the Lord furnished us with Spiritual Weapons to war even against Spiritual wickednesse in high places 2 Cor. 10.4 5. And against the Rulers of the Darknesse of ●his world Ephes. 6.12 which hath appeared under many Forms and Governments since the breakings forth of truth in this Nation Yea many Heads or Governments hath been raised up and cast down again by one Hand and Power and have all from the Lord through his Servants had a word of Wisedom and Councel ministred unto them what they should do that they might be established which if they did not the Lord would break them to pieces which word of the Lord was fulfilled upon them all And every divers Head had a Horn in it to push at the Lambs of Christ withall and at every appearance of his Spirit and Power in his People but for his Elect sake was their daies shortned and his breakings and destruction came upon them according to his word spoken to them by his Servants at divers times And it is to be observed as the Lords doing and ordering by his mighty Power that with in these eight years since we have been persecuted and cruelly used for the name and Testimony of Jesus and the Answer of a pure Conscience there hath been twelve Changes of Government in this Nation which have all of them more or lesse been guiltie of our Sufferings either in acting against us or in suffering others to act cruelly and not endeavouring to restrain them when they had power in their hands to do it and the sufferings laid before them who suffered for Righteousnesse sake so that they could not plead Ignorance but was left without excuse which now in the day of their misery and tribulation some of them do consider it when their time is no more 1. As first in the time of the Long-Parliament in the year 1652. although many pretended some prayed and some fought for Liberty of Conscience in matters of Religion and yet at that time were we imprisoned beat and persecuted for obeying and worshipping our God in Spirit and Truth according to his teaching and at that time the Priests Rage begun to burn like fire and they run one unto another and kindled the wrath in one another against the Truth even to petition against the spreading of it and those that walked in it as a dangerous thing and they generally with one consent called the Truth Heresie Delusion and Blasphemy and those that ministered it abroad they called Ring-leaders of Sects as in the Apostles daies there was the like example But these was warned in their day not to persecute the Innocent nor to uphold those that preached for filthy lucre who served not the Lord Jesus Christ but their own Bellies But they hearkned not to the Council of the Lord but shut their ears against his Instructions therefore was their day taken from them and their Power given to another that they also might be tryed 2. In the year 1653. a Council of State was called by O.C. but they did nothing to take off the weight of oppression in the Nation neither in Spiritual nor Civil things for Pride and the deceiptfulnesse of Riches entred into their hearts that they did not regard nor set themselves wholly to do that which the Lord did require of them although they were warned of God in their time yet the Yoke of the oppressor was not taken away but under it the Nation groaned and they wrought no deliverance in the earth 3. Then the Little Parliament sat in the same year and there was a plant of Righteousnesse tending towards some equity and freedom springing up in them but the strength of deceipt and subtilty in others did Quench it before it brought forth any thing to perfection and in that time the Priests fierce persecuting Zeal was so inflamed that many Petitions from several parts of the Nation was presented against the Quakers to the Parliament and their continual clamor Petitions and Addresses and they being regarded and harkned unto was one cause of the continuance of the Nations bondage and oppression and God never prospered such as received them into their Councils or gave heed to their reports but a Curse and Destruction alwaies followed them in their undertakings whose ear was open unto such things And in the time of this Power and Government was persecution continued about Religion though much was pretended to the contrary they also were warned and wisely counselled in their day and so was left without excuse 4. Again in the same year was O.C. made Protector who had his day and power in his hand to have done good and to have done that which he and others pretended but he joyning with the covetous Priests and their Interests to make his arm strong thereby betrayed the Lord and his People into the hands of sinners And insteed of removing Persecution he caused new Acts to be made to Persecute by and so brought a Curse upon himself and Family and Tribulation upon those that trusted in him And the Lord did often visit him with reproofs and instructions untill he hardened his heart against all reproof and then was he given up of the Lord and of his People to his appointed end as an Example to all Hypoc●ites and Treacherous ones 5. Again his second Parliament was called and sat in the year 1654. in their daies was not the Land eased nor freed from its bondage and when they had let in the Priests Spirit and was insensed against the Truth and intending to make Laws to Persecute then were they broken and their power taken from them who in their day was warned but did not the thing which the Lord required of them 6. Oliver's 3d. Parliament which consisted of two Houses sat in the year 1657. they more than any of the rest did draw back into that which they had declared against and they let in the P●iests Persecuting Spirit and made Laws for Persecution and many were Imprisoned in the time of their Government because for Conscience sake they could not pay Tithes to the Hireling Priests and because they could not Swear contrary to Christs command Mat. 5. And they had many warnings and admonitions from the Lord which they rejected and so the Lord rejected them as from doing
his work 7. Then Richard Cromwell in the year 1658. was made Protector whom the Priests flockt to as their Rock of defence that he as their Joshua might lead them into their promised Land which was but a Benefice of Tithes or Augmentations their prayed for Inheritance and they told him that the Gospel was bound up in him and so did cleave unto him by Flatteries as they did unto all the rest before him for their own ends but the suffering seed of God which could not Flatter him was not set free who freely declared unto him the word of the Lord and instructions from the Almighty before his day was over 8. And again his Parliament sate in the year 1659. they continued and did not free the Sufferers and imprisoned ones who suffered only for the worship of their God and for the exercise of a good Conscience but they went on swiftly in the way of their destruction to impose Worships upon People and to decree unrighteous Decrees and upon that Rock of Religion they were broken as others had been before them though they were exhorted to righteousness and told of the evil that did come upon them 9. The 9th Government was again the Long-Parliament who came in with great Pretences and Resolutions and Protestations to make this Nation a Free-Commonwealth not only in name but in nature And they begun well and to call the Prisoners up to London who suffered for Conscience sake and freed some of them and many of them intended to take away that great Oppression of Tithes whereby much deceipt and many Deceivers are held up in the Nation and then the Priests rage was kindled against them and they cursed them in their Pulpits and preached up war against them and themselves get Horses Pistols and Swords to fight for their Tithes and Maintenance and when they were routed then they again petitioned the Parliament some begging pardon and some pleading not guilty and the Parliament was so blind that upon their Dissimulation they let in the Priests again and begun to gratifie the Priests and establish Tithes and then the wrath of God broke forth against them and their Destruction was prophecyed of and told them that it should shortly come upon them as it came to passe because they would not receive the Lords Counsel in their day 10. Then the Armie and Committee of Safety so called had the Power and Government in their hands which they did not improve as they might have done for the liberty of the Subjects neither did they receive that counsel from the Lord which would have opened their understandings how to have ruled for him but with corrupt reasonings among themselves perverted one another and confounded their own work reasoning out the good and honest intentions of some that was amongst them untill they all became as a heap of Confusion and their work broken to pieces A just reward of their own devices and following the counsels of their own hearts neglecting the Advice of that Spirit of righteousnesse which should have led and also established them in the work of the Lord in the Nation so as unworthy and disobedient were they cast out 11. Then again the Long-Parliament had another day of Tryal given them into their hands but a mad Zeal and Fury attended them against the honest and upright-hearted people and the Fury of the Oppressor was highly exalted amongst them bu●ning like Fire in which they could not contain themselves nor possess their own Spirits in quietness in which Fury was Folly the effects of which did betray and destroy both themselves and others They being diverted from their first intentions and desire after righteousness a just recompence of reward for their Disobedience came upon them according to many true Testimonies from the Lords Servants unto them which if in time their Ears had been open to the Lords instructions and their Hearts inclined to righteousness that swift and sudden destruction had not so soon come upon them but they being blinded with Fury in their anger would neither hear nor see that which was the effect of their own work nor the Lords hand of Justice near come upon them as now they may consider it 12. The Secluded Members then came in as a rod of Gods anger and of Justice or a prey upon them and it was manifest to the seeing Eye that God had tu●ned his hand against all those which had abused his Power and neglected his work who had sought and set up themselves instead of the Lord and his righteousness and now when the Lords hand is justly stretched for to wound those that by him would not be healed who shall forbid it untill the Cause be removed and t●ey purged through judgement and suffering And now unto you the present Power King and Parliament be not high minded but fear be not lifted up as though by your Arm Power and Policie you had got a Victory For it is Righteousness yet which the Lord doth require and if by his immediate Power without your Sword he have cut off all those that you might be grafted in Consider therefore Gods end in so doing for it is by that immediate Power of God which hath broken them that you must stand if you do stand for God is the same and will be to you as he hath been to others as you answer or not answer his requirings For it is not Persons that God accepts but he that fears God and works righteousness is accepted of him therefore as you look to be established by the Lord do Righteousness Equity and Justice to every man without respect of persons and those that according to the Equal and Royal Law of God walk doing unto others as they would that others should do unto them Take heed of imposing any thing relating to the matter of Worship upon the Consciences least you kindle Gods wrath against you as others have done which will not easily be quenched for upon this Rock have many been broken and others wounded so that they could not again be healed And two things we would mind you of especially First That you are not come in by your own Sword or Power but by a remarkable hand of God in such a way as neither your selves nor many other could have expected 2ly Consider what a flood of unrighteousness licentiousness and fleshly liberty hath of a sudden overspread the Nation upon your comming in which although it received some little seasonable curb by a Proclamation from King Charles till which scarce a man fearing God and that could not joyn with them in their riotings and drunken healths could pass the Streets in most places of the Nation yet the Body of that Iniquity still stands in many places as in May games Fidlings Danceings Stage-playes and divers other ungodly vain Sports by which Gods righteous Soul is still grieved the Spirits of all people that truely fears God sadned the weight of that wickedness which already lay upon the Nations mightily encreased quite contrary to what such a work as your comming in after such a manner required All which speaks dreadfull things against these Nations in the sight of many who are most acquainted with Gods fear and have that Eye in them which foresee Evil to come in whose Hearts and Mouths it is now to warn you in love to your own Souls who are in Power to scatter such Wickednesse and the Nation● peace and well-being That the Wrath that is already threatned might be prevented from comming in your day And we desire That you may take more notice of the Lords warnings to you than others have done that have gone before you that Gods hand and power be not turned against you as it was again●t them Richard Hubberthorn THE END Pro. 4.16 Pro. 20.8 and 26. Pro. 39.14 Eccles. 5.8 1 Tim. 3.9 Iohn 16.13 John 4.24 Psal. 82. Rom. 13.3 Amos 5.15 Isa. 5.7 Isa. 32.7 2 Cor. 10.4.5 Ephes. 6.12 c. Acts 6.10 Act● 21.28 Acts 17.5.6 Acts 25.15 16. 2 Thes. 3.2 Mica 7.8 Joh. 11.9 10. 1 Tim. 6.16 R●v. 21.24 Isa. 53.1 Joh. 3.80 Mat. 5.48 Heb. 6.1 Heb. 2.11 Ephes. 5.30
that Moses and Josh●a was Tyrants and Oppressors and so will they do unto the King now who are seeking to cleave unto him by Flattery and Deceipt which if he denie to be the Patron and Defender of their lies will crie as much against him so that he or they are blessed whose Ears are not open unto their Clamors but whose Hearts are joyned to the Truth and who is led by the Spirit of God as their Instructor for such shall discern Hypocrites and False-hearted men under every pretence of Flattery or Dissimulation for the Folly of these begins to be manifest unto all men 2 Tim. 3.9 Now as in Answer unto the History concerning John Tolderrey asserted by a company of Priests as Brooks Cocking Goodwin Jenking J●comb Alderrey Tombs and Pool whom themselves say that they have but perused a part as pag. 99. and yet pretend to witnesse the whole whose witnesse is disproved and denied by the same John Tolderrey both by his own Book given forth from him and by his Life and Conversation being now a living witnesse not against but for the Way Doctrine Principle and Practice which the Quakers do live in against those lies published abroad concerning him And as for thy Charge thou hast against J. N. through the everlasting mercy of my God I have yet a being amongst the living and breath to answer for my self though against the intents of many bloody cruel Spirits who pursued my Soul unto death as much as in them lay in that day of my calamity when my Adversarie was above And wherein I was made a sign to a back sliding Generatio● who then would not see nor hear what now is comming upon them but rejoyced against this piece of Dust and had little pity towards him that was fallen into their hands wherein God was just in giving me up for my Disobedience for a little moment as a Father to correct yet should not they have sought to aggravate things against me as thou dost for it was a day of deep distress and lay sore upon my Soul and the pitifull God s●w it who though he was a little displeased ye his thoughts was not to cast off for ever as it is at this day glory be to his name from my delivered Soul eternally And in that day there was many Spirits flock'd about me and some whom while my Candle shone upon my Head I ever judged and kept out from me who then got up and acted and spoke several things not in the light and truth of God by which they who sought occasion against me then was strengthned to afflict this Body he that watches for evil in thee and some others makes use on still against Gods truth and innocent people whose Mouths the God of my mercy stop and so finish the trouble of my heart as to that thing for my Soul hath long dwelt among Lyons even among them that are set on Fire whose Teeth are spears and ar●ows and their Tongues a sharp sword speaking mischievous things to shed blood But oh man or men what ever you be whose work it is to gather together the failings of Gods people in the time of temptation or nigh● of their tryal and aggravate them and adde thereto the wickedness and mi●chi●vous lyes of your own hearts as thou hast done in thy Book and then come out with those against Gods everlasting holy truth it to reproach I say you are set on work by an evil Spirit and you do but shew your selves to be enemies to God and his Children And it is our sorrow that any of us should give such Spirit● occasion to Blaspheme and it hath been trouble of Soul to all the people of God that have ever loved righteousness when they thus have occasioned the Joy of the wicked or to feed that man that watches for iniquity and feeds on mischief yet know this you that art of that brood God will not cast off his people though he be sometimes provoked to correct them even before their Adversaries which is a sign to them yet is his anger but for a moment and his favour shall return as streams of life Then shall the food be taken out of the mouth of the Viper and the prey from between the Teeth of the Devourers and God shall feed them with their own vomit the poyson that hath long lain under their Tongues shall be bitter in their own Bowels thus will God certainlie plead with Zions Enemies as he bends her Sons for himself and God will make up her breaches And this hath my Soul seen Jacobs Captivitie restored and the Diggers of the Pit are fallen therein neither hath he smitten him as he smote them that smote him Or is he slain according to the slaughter of them that are slain by him but this is all his fruit to purge away his sin So he that had long watched for my faltering then got advantage against me yet had I then power to bear his utmost envie through Christ Jesus whom I then confessed before men who then was my support in all and under all and who is over all blessed for ever of all who have proved him in the depth But that which was and is the sorrow of my heart is the advantage the Enemy then took against the name of Christ his Truth and his despised People in that time of Temptation which is that which thou art now persuing with hatred and lies as that I had a Woman in bed with me the night before I suffered at Bristol when there was six or seven Persons in the Room that night and a man to wit Robert Rich in bed with me But this and several other false things thou hast written in thy Bo●k of which I am clear before the Lord so they touch me not at all nor shall I here mention them against thee in particular but to God alone I look in his time to be cleared fr●m all offences in his sight who only knows my heart in this thing in whose presence I can say that nothing is more odious and burthensome to my soul than that any of that glory or wo●ship which belongs to God or to Christ should be given to fl●sh and blood in my self or others and how it was with me at that day many talk of but few knows so the Judgement of such I bear desiring that none in Judging me might have condemned themselves in Gods sight whose Counsels are a great deep and the end of his works past finding out till he himself reveal them but in the end he will be Justified of all and in all he doth that all flesh may be silent before him And however my self or many others may be left to themselves to be tryed in the night yea should any utterly fall or whatever may be act●d by any man or woman that is not Justifiable in Gods sight yet in vain dost thou or you gather up sin or watch for iniquity to cast upon
us and all the living whom he hath quicked with his appearance than the reading of the letter was or is to them who are without him being dead in their sinnes and reprobate in their understandings through the darkness of their hearts reading the Scriptures without the Spirit that gave them forth and this may answer thy accusation of George Whitehead and the question that was asked him And for thy seeking to make us as the Papists First in that the Pope to them is an Infallible Judge Secondly Written traditions equal to the written word We answer What is that to us who deny both the Pope his infallibility and his traditions they are none of them binding unto us look you to that who have the remainder of that Idolatry yet upon you in several things which might be instanced But blind man what a Comparison is this of thine Is it become an offence to say the Spirit of Christ is infallible and to confesse him come who leads into all truth Are we Papists in thy account for this You have too long made people follow you while you have been without that Spirit and little else have you to teach people but traditions who have not the Infallible Spirit to lead you in your worships and doctrine And so thy accusation I return upon thy own head And we can say no lesse of the Spirit of Truth and his word at this day than the holy Men of God have ever done in whom he hath appeared to wit that he is the same and his power the same and his word the same which liveth for ever and by which we now are armed and strengthned to withstand as great wickednesse and enlightened to see as great deceit in Teachers and people at this day we have cause to believe as ever appeared in the World from which we could not be delivered by our own wisdom reading or hearing of the letter till God sent the Spirit of Truth in the name of Jesus into us to enlighten our understanding in the Scriptures and against all spiritual wickednesse and deceitfull worships to quicken us with his power so to us he is the power and to him is the glory and the confession who liveth for ever and his dayes waxeth not old nor his voice feeble nor his arm short because many generations passe away before him and this is he that was before the letter who can work without the letter or with it and this is he whom men that know not have often opposed at his coming and have been broken for it though they professed the letter and this may answer thy accusation of George Fox or any other who have spoken any thing in the honor of his Appearance the power of his world or the danger of them that oppose it in this his day as well as formerly though we boast not of the fullnesse of our measure herein that is but thy accusation And for thy accusation that we deny the Personal body of Christ His coming in the Clouds to Judgement The visible Church And thy saying we are against Scriptures and against Ordinances against Sabbaths taking no notice of the moralitie of the fourth Commandement That we say the Doctrine of Original Corruption is a Soul-destroying God-blaspheming Doctrine That we are against Justification and Religiou● Education c. These are but thy false accusations not our Judgement nor our words but thou hast gathered the false accusations of the Priest● of New-Castle and other slanderous Spirits and this is the ground proof and foundation of thy Charge which hath been several times answered over-turned in the first rising of them as may be seen in the Answers to The perfect Pharisee and Sauls Errand and in a Book called The Pits mouth stopt by Fran. Howgill and several other Books to be seen in which your Folly is made manifest and what we own which is according to Scripture and what we deny which is your traditions and false worships never set up by God nor practised by his people to which Books we refer the Reader for full satisfaction herein And also in a book called Love to the Last by J. N. wherein these things are plainly spoken of And thou stumbles at the light as all the children of darkness must do And thou sayes we are strangely confused and know not well how to distinguish c. We say the confusion is in thy self and thy dark minde and not in us we stumble not who walk in light but all that walk in darknesse and hates the light must needs stumble as thou dost but to us is the light known and him that dwells in it to whom no mortal eye can approach blessed for ever and this is our all and the Nations of them that are saved must walk in it the power that we have in it we know the want we have had without it we know so we speak glorious things of the light and preach it before all its enemies without amazement for therein is the arm of God revealed mighty to save though many cannot receive our report but hates it because their deeds are evil as thou dost who calls it a natural Conscience and then saies we find Christ called the light and of him said that he lighteth every one that cometh into the world Is not here the Confusion and Jumble thou tells on in thy own dark old Bottle who cannot retain his Testimony but calls the light of Christ natural who thy self art the natural man that receives not the things of the spirit of God now the testimony that the Scriptures gives of him who is the light of the world whom we make our all as thou saiest And for that of perfection Thou charges us for saying that those that have received Christ and God are come to perfection and that all such as are in Christ are without sin To which we say yea he that comes to God and Christ comes to perfection and to him that is able to save from sin to the uttermost and he that abides in Christ sins not as saith the Scritures Heb. 7.25 1 John 3.6 and this perfection is in Christ and not of our selves and so is this freedom also and to him it is given and confessed and not to flesh and blood nor any carnal appearance But what seed art thou of to whom perfection and sanctification is so offensiv● which Christ and his Ministers commanded and preached And as to discerning Thou accuseth us for saying That the Saints by the Spirit that is in them can judge mens hearts and that such judging is Christs judging of them and that Christ shall judge no where but in the Saints and for this accusation thou quotes Naylors Answer to Pendarvis Wherein thou wrongs Naylor for he doth not say that Christ shall judge no where but in the Saints nor that People may judge mens hearts by every Spirit that is in them but this we say that the Spirit of