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A55393 Quo warranto, or, A moderate enquiry into the warrantablenesse of the preaching of gifted and unordained persons where also some other questions are discussed : viz. concerning [brace] ministerial relation, election, ordination : being a vindication of the late Jus divinum ministerii evangeliei ... from the exceptions of Mr. John Martin, Mr. Sam. Pette, Mr. Frederick Woodal ... in their late book, intituled The preacher sent / by Matthew Poole ... Poole, Matthew, 1624-1679. 1659 (1659) Wing P2850; ESTC R33938 110,108 175

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they_o tell_v what_o thing_n god_n have_v do_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d with_o they_o i._n e._n by_o they_o especial_o see_v the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d here_o be_v expound_v by_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o the_o other_o place_n which_o our_o brethren_n suppose_v to_o be_v parallel_n that_o put_v it_o out_o of_o doubt_n and_o the_o reason_n wherefore_o the_o apostle_n rather_o use_v the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d then_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v only_o for_o better_a sound_a sake_n which_o the_o apostle_n be_v not_o neglective_a of_o it_o have_v be_v unhandsome_a to_o have_v say_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o therefore_o he_o elegant_o vary_v the_o word_n and_o put_v in_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o stead_n of_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d but_o if_o you_o will_v needs_o have_v the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o be_v take_v in_o another_o sense_n then_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d viz._n for_o with_o and_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o be_v understand_v of_o a_o gift_n then_o why_o may_v we_o not_o acquiesce_v in_o this_o sense_n which_o will_v both_o full_o take_v off_o all_o your_o objection_n and_o yet_o no_o way_n praejudice_v our_o cause_n neglect_v not_o the_o gift_n etc._n etc._n with_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o hand_n i_o e._n neglect_v not_o the_o gift_n etc._n etc._n nor_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o hand_n use_v in_o ordination_n whereby_o thou_o be_v solemn_o set_v apart_o for_o and_o oblige_v to_o the_o discharge_n of_o thy_o ministerial_a gift_n and_o office_n do_v not_o slight_a forget_v disregard_n that_o injunction_n etc._n etc._n and_o this_o sense_n i_o be_o sure_a the_o greek_a will_v bear_v very_o well_o and_o the_o english_a do_v not_o exclude_v it_o again_o if_o this_o satisfy_v not_o it_o may_v be_v further_o add_v that_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d may_v be_v understand_v of_o the_o gift_n in_o 2_o tim._n 1._o 6._o forasmuch_o as_o the_o power_n of_o confer_v such_o gift_n be_v the_o privilege_n of_o apostle_n and_o extraordinary_a officer_n and_o the_o same_o word_n 1_o tim._n 4._o 14._o may_v be_v understand_v of_o the_o office_n the_o conveyance_n of_o which_o do_v fall_v within_o the_o verge_n of_o the_o ordinary_a presbyter_n and_o if_o you_o take_v it_o thus_o than_o you_o may_v ground_o suppose_v that_o the_o lay_v on_o of_o paul_n hand_n be_v not_o do_v at_o the_o same_o time_n nor_o to_o the_o same_o end_n with_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o presbytery_n but_o that_o this_o latter_a do_v convey_v the_o office_n at_o one_o time_n which_o be_v say_v most_o proper_o to_o be_v neglect_v 1_o tim._n 4._o 14._o and_o the_o former_a do_v convey_v a_o gift_n at_o another_o time_n which_o he_o be_v call_v upon_o to_o stir_v up_o 2_o tim._n 1._o 6._o and_o this_o full_o take_v off_o all_o the_o difficulty_n nor_o can_v any_o wonder_n at_o the_o different_a sense_n of_o the_o same_o word_n and_o same_o phrase_n for_o that_o be_v so_o common_a a_o thing_n not_o only_o in_o divers_a epistle_n but_o in_o the_o same_o epistle_n yea_o the_o same_o chapter_n yea_o the_o same_o verse_n sometime_o that_o one_o and_o the_o same_o word_n or_o phrase_n be_v different_o to_o be_v understand_v that_o none_o can_v just_o stumble_v at_o it_o here_o but_o last_o it_o must_v be_v remember_v that_o if_o this_o place_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v in_o their_o sense_n and_o do_v not_o contribute_v any_o thing_n to_o our_o cause_n the_o truth_n we_o assert_v do_v not_o so_o depend_v upon_o this_o place_n that_o it_o must_v needs_o fall_v if_o this_o place_n do_v not_o uphold_v it_o forasmuch_o as_o it_o be_v found_v upon_o divers_a other_o important_a place_n as_o have_v be_v show_v the_o assembly_n argue_v further_o the_o person_n ordain_v be_v apostle_n prophet_n evangelist_n and_o presbyter_n who_o it_o be_v not_o likely_a that_o christ_n will_v appoint_v to_o convey_v only_o the_o adjunct_n of_o the_o ministerial_a call_n and_o leave_v the_o great_a work_n of_o convey_v the_o office-power_n to_o the_o people_n to_o this_o they_o say_v two_o thing_n 1._o in_o stead_n of_o give_v a_o answer_n they_o offer_v a_o argument_n that_o because_o one_o relate_v give_v be_v to_o another_o therefore_o the_o people_n must_v needs_o give_v be_v to_o the_o minister_n reply_n this_o be_v a_o mere_a fallacy_n relata_fw-la be_v considerable_a two_o way_n as_o i_o may_v say_v in_o esse_fw-la constituendo_fw-la &_o in_o esse_fw-la constitute_v either_o as_o they_o be_v to_o be_v constitute_v or_o as_o they_o be_v complete_o constitute_v it_o be_v true_a relata_fw-la consider_v in_o esse_fw-la constitute_v do_v give_v be_v one_o to_o another_o the_o father_n be_v not_o a_o father_n unless_o he_o have_v a_o son_n but_o then_o consider_v relation_n in_o esse_fw-la constituendo_fw-la as_o they_o be_v to_o be_v constitute_v and_o so_o somewhat_o else_o give_v be_v to_o they_o when_o they_o be_v relata_fw-la the_o one_o give_v be_v to_o the_o other_o but_o there_o must_v be_v some_o other_o person_n or_o thing_n which_o put_v they_o into_o that_o relation_n and_o it_o be_v that_o which_o we_o speak_v off_o for_o instance_n the_o husband_n give_v be_v to_o the_o wife_n and_o the_o wife_n to_o the_o husband_n but_o there_o be_v something_o else_o which_o legal_o constitute_v they_o in_o that_o relation_n to_o wit_v the_o act_n of_o the_o justice_n or_o the_o minister_n a_o vice_n chancellor_n be_v the_o correlate_n of_o the_o university_n yet_o the_o chancellor_n act_n do_v constitute_v he_o in_o the_o relation_n and_o give_v he_o the_o essence_n of_o his_o call_n 2._o they_o say_v though_o ordination_n be_v but_o a_o adjunct_n yet_o it_o consist_v chief_o if_o not_o only_o in_o prayer_n christ_n may_v employ_v the_o elder_n in_o add_v such_o a_o adjunct_n reply_n but_o what_o sober_a man_n can_v imagine_v that_o if_o this_o be_v all_o the_o apostle_n shall_v take_v so_o many_o journey_n about_o ordination_n and_o shall_v leave_v titus_n who_o can_v ill_o be_v spare_v in_o crete_n to_o ordain_v elder_n what_o will_v he_o leave_v he_o only_o to_o pray_v for_o a_o blessing_n upon_o person_n to_o be_v constitute_v by_o other_o it_o be_v strange_a he_o shall_v leave_v he_o to_o a_o work_n no_o way_n peculiar_a to_o his_o office_n and_o a_o work_n which_o a_o brother_n may_v perform_v as_o effectual_o as_o a_o officer_n and_o this_o shall_v suffice_v for_o the_o second_o question_n chap._n xv._n the_o three_o and_o last_o question_n be_v this_o whether_o ordination_n may_v be_v do_v by_o the_o people_n wherein_o i_o shall_v need_v to_o say_v little_a because_o indeed_o
assembly_n give_v such_o satisfy_a answer_n that_o i_o wonder_v how_o our_o brethren_n can_v resist_v the_o evidence_n of_o they_o and_o indeed_o their_o reply_v be_v so_o inconsiderable_a that_o i_o count_v it_o but_o lose_a time_n to_o make_v a_o rejoynder_n and_o all_o that_o i_o shall_v desire_v of_o the_o reader_n be_v this_o that_o he_o will_v but_o use_v his_o reason_n and_o lay_v aside_o his_o passion_n and_o prejudice_n and_o compare_v what_o be_v say_v on_o both_o hand_n together_o and_o i_o doubt_v not_o he_o will_v see_v that_o all_o their_o assault_n against_o they_o be_v but_o like_o the_o dashing_n of_o the_o wave_n against_o a_o rock_n whereby_o they_o break_v themselves_o to_o piece_n but_o if_o all_o that_o satisfy_v not_o i_o shall_v add_v two_o answer_n more_o 1._o extraordinary_a instance_n be_v no_o precedent_n for_o ordinary_a case_n this_o be_v apparent_o a_o extraordinary_a case_n the_o levite_n and_o church-officer_n be_v not_o yet_o institute_v and_o to_o argue_v thus_o that_o because_o the_o people_n do_v lay_v on_o hand_n before_o those_o church-officer_n be_v create_v who_o be_v afterward_o to_o do_v it_o therefore_o they_o may_v do_v it_o when_o such_o officer_n be_v create_v and_o appoint_v for_o that_o work_n it_o be_v as_o if_o a_o man_n shall_v argue_v gift_a man_n may_v preach_v where_o there_o be_v no_o apostle_n nor_o minister_n to_o be_v have_v therefore_o they_o may_v do_v it_o where_o there_o be_v plenty_n of_o minister_n or_o thus_o david_n may_v eat_v the_o shewbread_n when_o he_o can_v get_v no_o other_o therefore_o any_o man_n may_v eat_v it_o when_o his_o table_n be_v spread_v with_o other_o bread_n 2._o forasmuch_o as_o it_o be_v ridiculous_a to_o think_v that_o all_o israel_n do_v lay_v their_o hand_n upon_o the_o head_n of_o the_o levite_n therefore_o this_o be_v only_o some_o of_o they_o and_o those_o some_o no_o doubt_n be_v the_o first-born_a now_o it_o must_v be_v remember_v that_o as_o the_o levite_n be_v take_v instead_o of_o the_o first-born_a num._n 8._o 16_o 17._o so_o the_o first-born_a till_o then_o be_v in_o stead_n of_o the_o levite_n and_o till_o god_n institute_v the_o ecclesiastical_a office_n and_o officer_n in_o israel_n the_o first-born_a be_v officer_n and_o so_o it_o concern_v not_o the_o people_n at_o all_o nor_o prove_v any_o right_n in_o they_o to_o do_v the_o same_o thing_n in_o the_o next_o place_n they_o come_v to_o answer_v some_o argument_n which_o be_v urge_v by_o the_o assembly_n to_o prove_v that_o ordination_n do_v not_o belong_v to_o the_o people_n their_o answer_n to_o the_o two_o first_o be_v nothing_o else_o but_o repetition_n of_o what_o have_v be_v already_o discuss_v and_o therefore_o i_o here_o wave_v they_o for_o the_o three_o the_o assembly_n observe_v that_o all_o that_o be_v write_v in_o the_o epistle_n concern_v the_o ordainer_n and_o the_o qualification_n of_o the_o party_n ordain_v be_v mention_v in_o the_o epistle_n to_o timothy_n and_o titus_n who_o be_v church-officer_n not_o in_o those_o epistle_n which_o be_v write_v to_o the_o church_n they_o answer_v 1._o charge_n may_v be_v direct_v to_o officer_n and_o yet_o the_o people_n require_v to_o concur_v as_o rev._n 2._o and_o 3._o if_o timothy_n and_o titus_n be_v to_o act_v these_o alone_a as_o evangelist_n than_o they_o be_v no_o precedent_n for_o we_o if_o with_o other_o why_o not_o with_o the_o people_n as_o well_o as_o the_o officer_n reply_n they_o be_v to_o act_v alone_o in_o ordination_n as_o evangelist_n and_o yet_o be_v a_o precedent_n for_o we_o for_o here_o be_v two_o thing_n to_o be_v consider_v 1._o the_o work_n viz._n of_o ordination_n which_o be_v common_a and_o ordinary_a and_o this_o be_v imitable_a 2._o the_o manner_n of_o do_v it_o which_o be_v extraordinary_a i._n e._n by_o their_o single_a power_n and_o this_o be_v inimitable_a you_o will_v say_v if_o the_o manner_n of_o this_o ordination_n be_v extraordinary_a than_o timothy_n practice_n in_o 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forth_o actuate_v exercise_v thy_o office_n paul_n bid_v he_o stir_v up_o his_o ministry_n be_v no_o more_o than_o what_o elsewhere_o he_o bid_v he_o fulfil_v thy_o ministry_n do_v the_o work_n of_o a_o evangelist_n he_o that_o neglect_v the_o work_n of_o his_o ministry_n invalidate_n his_o office_n disuse_v neglect_v his_o office_n and_o he_o that_o fulfil_v the_o work_n of_o his_o ministry_n stir_v up_o his_o office_n for_o that_o other_o criticism_n that_o a_o man_n be_v in_o his_o office_n not_o his_o office_n in_o he_o the_o office_n be_v ad●oyned_v to_o he_o not_o inhaerent_a in_o he_o that_o be_v hardly_o worth_a take_v notice_n of_o because_o the_o preposition_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v use_v so_o various_o sometime_o for_o one_o preposition_n sometime_o for_o another_o sometime_o for_o that_o which_o be_v inherent_a in_o he_o sometime_o for_o that_o which_o be_v adjoin_v to_o he_o as_o all_o know_v that_o be_v not_o whole_o stranger_n to_o the_o greek_a tongue_n that_o it_o be_v a_o vanity_n to_o lay_v any_o stress_n upon_o it_o sometime_o it_o be_v take_v for_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d sometime_o for_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d sometime_o for_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n and_o sometime_o in_o for_o apud_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v for_o a_o man_n to_o be_v apud_fw-la se_fw-la for_o a_o man_n not_o to_o be_v beside_o himself_o so_o here_o the_o office_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d for_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d apudte_fw-la with_o thou_o which_o be_v commit_v to_o thou_o and_o as_o man_n be_v say_v to_o be_v in_o sin_n though_o indeed_o it_o be_v sin_n that_o be_v in_o they_o and_o they_o be_v say_v to_o enter_v into_o their_o master_n joy_n though_o to_o
they_o say_v little_a to_o the_o purpose_n and_o what_o they_o do_v say_v be_v for_o the_o most_o part_n either_o nothing_o else_o but_o a_o repetition_n of_o their_o disprove_v principle_n or_o so_o infirm_a that_o i_o may_v safe_o leave_v thing_n to_o any_o ingenuous_a reader_n who_o shall_v compare_v our_o argument_n and_o their_o answer_n nevertheless_o i_o will_v not_o whole_o omit_v this_o task_n also_o but_o where_o i_o can_v pick_v up_o any_o thing_n that_o require_v a_o answer_n and_o have_v not_o be_v already_o dispatch_v i_o shall_v here_o take_v notice_n of_o it_o they_o offer_v divers_a argument_n to_o prove_v this_o proposition_n that_o in_o a_o church_n which_o want_v officer_n some_o believer_n may_v lawful_o ordain_v without_o officer_n 1._o else_o ordination_n be_v unattainable_a for_o there_o be_v neither_o precept_n nor_o precedent_n of_o a_o ordinary_a officer_n act_v in_o ordination_n out_o of_o the_o particular_a church_n he_o be_v over_o in_o the_o place_n which_o speak_v of_o ordination_n to_o wit_n act_v 6._o and_o 13._o 14._o 1_o tim._n 5._o 22._o 2_o tim._n 1._o 6._o the_o person_n ordain_v be_v all_o extraordinary_a and_o so_o no_o precedent_n for_o ordinary_a officer_n and_o for_o 1_o tim._n 4._o 14._o we_o see_v nothing_o to_o convince_v we_o that_o it_o be_v a_o ordinary_a presbytery_n answer_n 1._o there_o be_v divers_a practice_n lawful_o use_v even_o in_o our_o brethren_n judgement_n which_o yet_o we_o find_v no_o precedent_n for_o but_o such_o as_o extraordinary_a person_n be_v concern_v in_o i_o will_v instance_n but_o in_o one_o and_o that_o be_v excommunication_n which_o we_o never_o read_v practise_v but_o by_o the_o authority_n and_o concurrence_n of_o a_o extraordinary_a officer_n paul_n practise_v it_o i_o have_v deliver_v he_o to_o satan_n and_o the_o church_n of_o corinth_n practise_v it_o but_o not_o without_o paul_n express_a command_n and_o positive_a warrant_n and_o concurrence_n 1_o cor._n 5._o 3_o 4._o for_o i_o very_o as_o absent_v in_o body_n but_o present_a in_o spirit_n have_v judge_v already_o etc._n etc._n when_o you_o be_v gather_v together_o and_o my_o spirit_n and_o yet_o our_o brethren_n allow_v and_o infer_v this_o as_o a_o precedent_n for_o the_o practice_n of_o excommunication_n by_o ordinary_a church_n and_o ordinary_a person_n and_o therefore_o good_a reason_n they_o shall_v allow_v we_o the_o same_o liberty_n 2._o and_o the_o rather_o because_o this_o make_v against_o our_o brethren_n as_o well_o as_o we_o it_o be_v their_o own_o grant_n that_o ordination_n be_v a_o institution_n of_o christ_n now_o in_o force_n and_o that_o it_o be_v to_o be_v manage_v by_o the_o officer_n of_o the_o church_n where_o there_o be_v such_o so_o that_o both_o they_o and_o we_o be_v thus_o far_o agree_v that_o ordinary_a officer_n may_v ordain_v now_o if_o what_o they_o say_v be_v true_a then_o there_o be_v neither_o precept_n nor_o precedent_n for_o the_o ordain_v of_o officer_n and_o so_o it_o follow_v from_o hence_o not_o only_o that_o none_o but_o officer_n may_v ordain_v which_o we_o assert_v but_o also_o that_o officer_n may_v not_o ordain_v at_o all_o unless_o they_o will_v say_v officer_n may_v do_v that_o for_o which_o they_o have_v neither_o precept_n nor_o precedent_n so_o that_o our_o brethren_n argument_n either_o do_v not_o praejudice_v we_o or_o else_o it_o enervate_v their_o own_o principle_n 3._o the_o true_a way_n therefore_o to_o discern_v what_o act_n of_o extraordinary_a officer_n be_v presidentiall_a to_o ordinary_a and_o what_o not_o be_v this_o those_o action_n which_o be_v proper_a to_o those_o time_n those_o action_n which_o be_v the_o result_v of_o extraordinary_a gift_n those_o action_n which_o be_v appendant_o to_o a_o extraordinary_a jurisdiction_n those_o be_v no_o precedent_n for_o we_o the_o apostle_n heal_v the_o sick_a by_o anounce_v with_o oil_n their_o preach_n without_o study_n their_o order_n of_o the_o church_n affair_n by_o their_o single_a jurisdiction_n these_o thing_n be_v unimitable_a by_o we_o but_o now_o on_o the_o otherside_n those_o action_n of_o extraordinary_a officer_n which_o be_v common_a to_o all_o the_o age_n of_o the_o church_n those_o which_o may_v be_v transact_v by_o ordinary_a gift_n and_o ordinary_a jurisdiction_n those_o be_v precedent_n for_o we_o the_o apostle_n public_a pray_v and_o preach_v administer_a the_o sacrament_n authoritative_a rebuke_v roll_a censure_a etc._n etc._n i_o say_v their_o act_n of_o those_o thing_n be_v and_o be_v ever_o by_o the_o church_n take_v to_o be_v a_o precedent_n for_o ordinary_a officer_n act_v the_o same_o thing_n now_o forasmuch_o as_o ordination_n be_v allow_v by_o our_o brethren_n to_o be_v one_o of_o those_o new_a testament_n practise_v yet_o to_o be_v continue_v by_o virtue_n of_o these_o instance_n etc._n etc._n it_o follow_v that_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o apostle_n therein_o though_o they_o be_v extraordinary_a officer_n be_v a_o precedent_n for_o we_o only_o here_o be_v the_o difference_n wherein_o i_o be_o willing_a any_o indifferent_a man_n shall_v be_v umpire_n whether_o it_o be_v a_o precedent_n for_o the_o people_n ordain_v who_o though_o in_o thing_n belong_v to_o they_o they_o do_v act_v distinct_o from_o and_o concurrent_o with_o the_o apostle_n as_o in_o the_o business_n of_o election_n yet_o never_o do_v we_o find_v they_o ordain_v or_o join_v with_o the_o apostle_n in_o the_o work_n of_o ordination_n or_o whether_o it_o be_v not_o rather_o a_o precedent_n for_o minister_n ordain_v who_o be_v the_o undoubted_a successor_n of_o the_o apostel_n and_o who_o do_v act_n with_o they_o in_o such_o work_n 4._o and_o last_o for_o that_o 1_o tim._n 4._o 14._o how_o faint_o and_o impertinent_o do_v they_o speak_v what_o if_o you_o meet_v with_o nothing_o that_o convince_v you_o that_o this_o be_v a_o ordinary_a presbytery_n sure_o i_o be_o you_o meet_v with_o nothing_o that_o convince_v you_o they_o be_v extraordinary_a and_o it_o be_v a_o great_a deal_n more_o rational_a for_o we_o to_o think_v they_o be_v ordinary_a person_n of_o who_o we_o read_v nothing_o which_o be_v extraordinary_a then_o to_o fancy_v they_o to_o be_v extraordinary_a of_o which_o we_o have_v no_o evidence_n at_o all_o the_o proof_n lie_v upon_o their_o side_n i_o need_v no_o positive_a proof_n to_o persuade_v i_o to_o take_v a_o man_n for_o a_o ordinary_a person_n he_o be_v just_o presume_v so_o to_o be_v till_o some_o indicia_fw-la or_o discovery_n of_o a_o extraordinary_a state_n break_v forth_o but_o now_o if_o one_o will_v assert_v that_o another_o be_v a_o extraordinary_a person_n he_o must_v have_v positive_a proof_n for_o it_o which_o if_o our_o brethren_n can_v bring_v to_o prove_v this_o presbytery_n to_o be_v extraordinary_a we_o shall_v submit_v to_o they_o but_z till_o then_o they_o must_v not_o take_v it_o ill_o if_o we_o believe_v they_o to_o be_v ordinary_a thus_o much_o for_o their_o first_o and_o principal_a argument_n 2._o they_o argue_v thus_o those_o that_o may_v act_v in_o make_v decree_n in_o a_o synod_n they_o may_v ordain_v but_o believer_n who_o be_v not_o officer_n may_v act_v in_o a_o synod_n etc._n etc._n act_v 15._o 2_o 22_o 23._o i_o answer_v to_o both_o proposition_n 1._o the_o major_n may_v be_v question_v because_o all_o those_o thing_n be_v to_o be_v regulate_v by_o scripture_n now_o if_o we_o have_v scripture_n precept_n or_o example_n for_o the_o one_o i_o e._n for_o act_v in_o a_o synod_n which_o they_o say_v here_o be_v and_o not_o for_o the_o other_o which_o we_o have_v prove_v there_o be_v not_o than_o believer_n may_v do_v the_o one_o and_o not_o the_o other_o 2._o for_o the_o minor_a i_o deny_v that_o the_o brethren_n may_v act_v in_o make_v decree_n in_o a_o synod_n i_o deny_v they_o do_v so_o in_o this_o place_n we_o read_v not_o a_o word_n of_o it_o all_o that_o we_o read_v be_v that_o the_o whole_a church_n consent_v to_o the_o decree_n and_o resolve_v upon_o the_o execution_n of_o they_o which_o they_o may_v do_v though_o they_o neither_o act_v nor_o be_v present_a at_o the_o make_n of_o the_o decree_n even_o as_o thousand_o consent_n to_o act_n of_o parliament_n that_o have_v no_o hand_n in_o the_o make_n of_o they_o and_o if_o our_o brethren_n think_v to_o prove_v this_o they_o must_v bring_v better_a argument_n than_o any_o they_o have_v yet_o bring_v another_o argument_n they_o urge_v be_v this_o that_o ordination_n consist_v in_o such_o act_n be_v may_v be_v do_v by_o the_o people_n the_o people_n may_v fast_o and_o pray_v and_o which_o may_v seem_v to_o be_v most_o doubtful_a they_o may_v impose_v hand_n if_o that_o be_v a_o rite_n still_o to_o continue_v as_o appear_v from_o numb_a 8_o 10._o where_o the_o child_n of_o israel_n lay_v their_o hand_n upon_o the_o levities_n to_o this_o instance_n the_o