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A70924 Romes destruction, or, Expresse texts and necessary consequences drawn out of the word of God, for the condemning of the doctrine of the Roman church, and justifying of that of the reformed churches first written in French, by C.D.R., a French noble-man ; and now published in English, at the solicitation of divers religious men of this nation by Jam. Mountaine. C. D. R.; Mountaine, James. 1641 (1641) Wing R11; ESTC R10609 52,610 234

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will that his Sonne should take a true humane body and by Consequent that he should be in one and not in divers places It is most true That God is omnipotent but he doth not all that he is able to do For he could transforme the Pope into a monster having seven heads and ten hornes and al his Disciples into Grashoppers but he doth not doe it In a word He will not have the body of his Sonne to be in divers places at once because there would be in him Yea and Nay Yea in that he will have every physicall and composed body to be in one onely place Nay If he would have the body of his Son which is such to be in severall places at once Moreover every true humane body is a materiall substance that hath his naturall and inseparable properties one of which is to be limited circumscribed and contained in one certaine place Take away from bodies the distance of places saith Saint Austin and they shall be nowhere and because they shall be nowhere they shall not be at all And speaking of the body of Christ he saith That if some space be not given unto it that may contain it after the same manner as other bodies are its humane nature is destroyed Epist. 37. ad Dardanum Therefore there is a figure in these words This is my body The fourth rule also shewes us very plainly That there is a figure in these words This is my body For if we take them literally and without a figure there followeth divers absurdities 1 First That a body like unto ours in all things sinne excepted should be in an infinite number of places at one and the same time For they teach it is in as many places as there are Masses said and that it is whole in every crumme of the Hoste and in every drop in the Chalice and yet budges not from Heaven neither is it in the space which is between both and by Consequent that one and the selfe same body may be higher and lower than it selfe and that there is some distance between Christs body and the body of Christ 2 Secondly That a true body hath all its parts under one point having the head where the feet are the eyes mouth and eares altogether and by Consequent it hath a length without extent that is a length and no length 3 Thirdly That Christ did eat himselfe and drank his own body and blood seeing after their own Doctrine his body is also in the Chalice And that by Consequent he had his head in his mouth and his whole body in his stomack having the inside out and the outside in which is a thing more absurd than if the scabberd were in the sword For being in the sword it were in another thing than it selfe But these Doctors put the body of Christ into the body of Christ 4 Fourthly That there is a Christ suffering and a Christ not suffering A Christ crucified and a Christ not crucified For as soone as Christ had supped he went to the Garden of Olives where he swate greate drops of blood was apprehended and finally Crucified But the same that was in his and the Apostles stomacks did not sweat great drops of blood was not apprehended nor crucified And by Consequent he was not our Saviour seeing he hath not suffered for us It appeareth therefore plainly by that which hath bin above said That these words This is my body must not be taken literally but figuratively Neverthelesse our Adversaries are so wilfull and obstinate in this as to affirme still That these words must be taken literally and without a figure and that the bread of the Masse is transubstantiated into the body of Christ alledging that God is able to doe it but as I have said already the Question is of his will and not of his power They should have proved first That it is his Truth and his Will before they goe about to tell us of his power There is no opinion so extravagant or fantasticall but may be maintained in saying that God is powerfull enough to make it to bee so To prove a doctrine onely because God is omnipotent is an open confession of their weakenesse There be some things that God cannot doe because he is omnipotent He cannot lye He cannot contradict himselfe Gods omnipotencie ought not to be a cloake unto Error nor serve as a refuge to falshood and Idolatry Therefore wee must see first whether it bee his truth or no 1. In the first place the Apostle to the Hebrewes telleth us that Christ is like unto his brethren in all things sinne excepted Heb. 2. 16. 17. Therefore it is a thing contrarie unto the truth of God to teach that he may be in a million of places at one and the same time For to have a true body and to be like unto his brethren in al things he must be in one and not in many places 2. Himselfe tels us that hee leaveth the World and goes to the Father John 16. 28. That hee is no more in the World John 17. 11. That we shall have the poore alwayes but we shall not have him alwayes Marke 14. 7. It is therefore a thing contrary unto the truth of God to teach that he is here on earth in a million of places at once They answer to this that we have Christ no more visibly but that wee have him invisibly under the Species of the bread and wine But that will not serve their turne For to have Christ invisibly is still to have Christ That man were a lyer that should say he had no clothes because they are hid in a trunke Even so hee were a lyer that should say he had not Christ because he is hidden under the Species of bread and wine But he saith expresly Wee shall not have him alwayes That he leaves the World and goes to the Father Sentences which should be false if he were yet in the world betweene the hands of a Priest saying Masse or lockt up in a pix or box And as touching that which hee saith Matth. 28. 20. That hee shall be with us unto the end of the World That is very true not according to his Humane nature but according to his Divinity power and efficacie of the holy Ghost whereby he guideth governeth and ruleth his Church We have Christ alwayes according to the presence of his Majesty saith Saint Austin but according to the presence of his flesh it was truly said unto the Apostles Ye shall not have me alwayes August 50 Treatise upon Saint John 3. Saint Peter saith That Heaven must containe him untill the times of restitution of al things which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy Prophets since the World began Act 3. 21. It is therefore a thing contrary unto the Truth of God to teach that he is here on earth below in the hands of a Priest in as many places as there are Masses said 4. In the
Apostles Creed we beleeve and confesse That he ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of God the Father Item That from thence hee shall come to judge the quick and the dead Therefore it is a thing contrary unto the truth of God to teach that he is here below on earth in the hands of a Priest in as many places as there are Masses said But for asmuch as they alledge without any respect to Gods truth that it is his wil manifested in these words This is my body I wil shew that it is no more his will which cannot be contrary to his truth For the will of our Lord Jesus Christ was to institute a Sacrament But in all Sacraments there should be two distinct things to wit the signe and the thing signified the one thing terrestriall and the other celestiall It was his wil therefore that these two things should be in the Sacrament of the supper which he instituted that is the bread and the wine which are the signe and the terrestriall thing And his body and blood which are the celestiall and signified thing The signes received by the corporal mouth and the thing signified by faith according to that which the Apostle saith Christ dwelleth in your hearts by faith Ephes. 3. 17. Whereupon it followeth that it was not his will that the bread and wine should be transubstantiated into his body which they should signifie And indeed he did not say this is transubstantiated into my body but only This is my body And that conformably unto the style of the holy Scripture which giveth alwayes to the signe the name of the thing signified using in all Sacraments the word is for signifieth But forasmuch as all the difficulty lyeth upon this word is to know whether it ought to be taken properly or by signifieth in this euunciation this is my body I prove that it ought not to be taken properly but by signifieth Here is my argument If in all Sacraments the signes doe beare the name of the things signified Item if the word is is put for signifieth or representeth It followeth that the bread and the wine which are signes in the Sacrament of the Lords Supper ought to beare the name of the body and blood of Christ Item that the word is is put for signifieth or representeth But the first proposition is true Here are my proofes 1. The Circumcision was a Sacrament among the Jewes that signified the Covenant of God as it is said in the 17 of Genesis vers. 10. 2. 4. 7. Every man-childe among you shall be circumcised and ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt mee and you But in the same chapter this Circumcision is called the Covenant it selfe I will make my Covenant betweene me and thee As for mee behold my Covenant is with thee I will establish my Covenant betweene me and thee All that is said of the Circumcision it was then called the Covenant of the name of the thing whereof it was a signe So Christ following the style of the holy Scripture did call the bread his body 2. The Paschall Lambe was also a Sacrament among the Jews which represented the passeover of the Angel that passed by in Egypt Neverthelesse it is called even the passeover it selfe And thus shall ye eate it with your loynes girded your shooes on your feet and your staffe in your hand and ye shall eate it in haste for it is the Lords passeover Exod. 12. 11. 3. The Arke of the Covenant was also a Sacrament among the Jewes which represented the Lord but it is called the Lord himselfe in the Word of God as we see in these words And David arose and went with all the people that were with him from Baal of Juda to bring up from thence the Arke of God whose name is called by the name of the Lord of hostes that dwelleth upon it betweene the Cherubins 2 Sam. 6. 2. 4. The Rock from which came out waters in the Wildernesse was also a signe and a sacrament among the Jewes that signified the refection and spirituall food which the faithfull have in our Lord Jesus Christ but it is called Christ even by Saint Paul Our Fathers did all eate the same spirituall meate and did all drinke the same spirituall drink for they all drank of that spirituall rock that followed them and that Rock was Christ 1. Cor. 10. 3. 4. P●anigarolle in his Lessons page 477. deceiveth himselfe grossy being of opinion that in this place Christ is called a rock and therefore that this word Was is to be taken for being and not for signifying 1. For if it were the sence and meaning of the Apostle he would not have said that the rock was Christ but that Christ was the rocke 2. Also he would not have said in the passive tense was but in the present tense is For he is alwayes both the fundamentall and chiefe corner stone of the Church 3. To discerne the truth wee must but consider the words of the Apostle for hee saith That our Fathers did all eate of the same spirituall meate and did all drinke of the same spirituall drinke 1. Cor. 10. 2. But this spirituall meate was the Manna Exod. 16. 15. which he calleth spirituall because it was a figure of Christ Likewise this spirituall drinke was the water issuing forth of the rock Exod. 17. 6. Numb. 20. 10. 11. which also he calleth spirituall drinke because its signification was spirituall But as by this spirituall meat Saint Paul did not meane Christ himselfe So by this spirituall drinke he did not understand Christ himselfe but the water that flowed out of the Rock It is therefore cleare enough that this Rock whereof he speaketh is the same whence the waters flowed in the Wildernesse which he calleth Christ because it was a figure of Christ The which is plainely shewed in the foregoing words of Sea and Cloude For the Sea the Cloude and the Rock are used in one and the selfe same kind and to one and the selfe same end Even so then as it was a true Sea and a true cloude so this Rock was a true Rock And it is said it followed the people because the streames of waters that issued forth of this Rock followed this people a long time in the Wildernesse Againe Christ saith That he is the true Vine John 15. 1. That he is the doore of the Sheep John 10. 7. And Saint Paul saith That the bread which we break is the Communion of the body of Christ 1. Cor. 10. 16. Howbeit the bread is not the Communion it selfe but a Sacrament thereof As for Baptisme S. Paul saith That by it we are buried with Christ Rom. 6. 4. Col. 2. 12. because it representeth the death of the old man and of our naturall corruption But without going from the Sacrament whereof we now treat there is sufficient matter to shew plainly That in these