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A04790 Two godlie and learned sermons appointed, and preached, before the Jesuites, seminaries, and other aduersaries to the gospell of Christ in the Tower of London. In which, were confuted to their faces, the moste principall and cheefe poincts of their Romish and vvhoarish religion: and all such articles as they defend, contrarie to the woord of Cod [sic], vvere layed open and ripped vp vnto them. In Maye. 7 and 21. Anno. 1581. By Iohn Keltridge, preacher of the vvorde of God, in London. Keltridge, John. 1581 (1581) STC 14921; ESTC S105451 120,903 140

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stonie they that dwell there as Epiphanius witnesseth doo woorship Moses for the miracles that hee did and pray vnto him as vnto God And at the Oke and grous Mambre where the Angels appeared to Abraham they that dwell in Ph●nitia and Arabia and in the farthest coastes of Palestine they doo giue the same homage the other doo Lib. 2. cap. 4. vnto the dead as Sozomenus witnesseth Now whether you will d●● as the Gentilles doo or be like Christians whether as God commaundeth or as they will you whether as the woorde and Scriptures allow off or as man hath inuented that make you choyse of This I knowe that the Saintes of God haue refused woorship offered them being aliue and I am sure they neuer asked that of you when they were dead And this one thing I note where as the Letany in which are so many Orate pro nobis a Commemoration of the Saincts that shoulde praye for vs was fyrste instituted by Mamercus Bishop of Vienna in Fraunce Sidonius in Epist ad Mamercum vpon these occasions First an Earthquake which then happened then a great Fier which at that time burned then the gréeuous assaultings of wilde Beasts which in those Countries mustered and in the same no mention made that I reade of of any praying to those that are dead your late superstitious Prelates haue put in Orate pro nobis 1 A number of the Saintes of God that must praye for vs. Lib. de Cura pro mo●tuis Cap. 16. Therefore saythe Augustine Nonum est et supersticiosum quod pro mortuis caeperunt orare 1 It is bothe new and a supersticious thinge in that they haue vsed of late to pray for the dead And vndoubtedly if it could be prooued out of the Scripture your owne men would haue gaggeled and thrust out theyr throates more a great deale with better proofe then nowe they are able to make thereof And albeit Moses was a man for lyfe famous for Myracles wondered at Deut. 34.6 for talking with the Lord and for the family aritie God vsed with him most highlie estéemed of all Iude. 9. yet not one in Israel is found to haue prayed to him béeing dead and his Graue and his Sepulchre is vnknowen to this day Abrahā Isaack Iacob Dauid Samuel no nor any one of the Prophets Nor Christ nor his Aposties nor the Church for many yeeres nor the godly did euer inuocate the name of Saints Ergo also we ought not Though Elyas parted the water with his Mantell though at the graue of Elyzeus a dead man was raysed from death to life yet was there neither adoration nor immcatiō made to these by the Saintes of God nor yet any Reliques of theirs as a memoriall of such thinges done by them Wherfore you doo the Lord great dishonour vs great iniury that wyll come hether as Roauers and Maisterles men to teach vs when in deede we haue no Teachers but the Lord and his Prophetes and séeke instruction at his handes not at yours I am not ignoraunt of that blockishe and doltishe reason you haue vsed concerning Marie the Virgin the mother of Christe neyther is it vnknowne to me how you and your Colleages The sacriledge committed in this Booke is not to be named haue vsurped and much abused the Lord God in your Sodomiticall brutish and Heathenish booke called the Rosarie The Lord no doubt will be reuenged vpon you and the Lord will aske it at your handes One argument I will aunswer of yours concerning the Virgin Marie who as for the looue wherewith God looued her she was blessed so you for your false Adoration and Worshippe giuen vnto her are accursed Rosarie You say first of all O holy mother of our Lord c. Pray vnto thy sonne for vs c. Your owne men are of this opinion that the wordes vsed by the Angell in Luke Luke 1.27 wheras Gabriel saluteth Marie are wordes of Adoration Prayer they are not a bare salutation as we holde I doo find that in Egipt there vvas one to name Marie in the tyme of Valens and Valentinianus vvho vvas first an arrant strūpet and after that was canonized for a Saincte novv of that Marie the stories are full but for 400. yeares af-after Christ there vvas no kinde of vvorship giuen to the Virgin Marie but the Popes brought in all their filthines of late yeeres of their vvorshipping the Mother of Christ Wherefore your first Idoll worship and your second superstitious and vaine iuuocation is all onely grounded vpon this place that the Angell is thought to pray to Marie To you I first aunswere thus Reade the Septuagints and the best Translations in Greeke there shall you finde that the wordes vsed there are no such wordes as your blinde Popishe Idolatrous ignoraunt and vnskilfull Abby lowbies taught the people Your old Tranflatiō is Hayle Mary full of grace c. The Gréeke importeth not so much For the woord is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which signifieth 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that is reioyce which worde is of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 as much as grace fauour so that the word the Septuagints vse is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that is thou that hast foūd fauor and grace in the sight of God then this is not a prayer according to your doltish custome that men must pray and say thrée or foure or more Aue Mariaes but it is a salutatiō of the Angell by which Gabriell declareth the good will of the Lord showen vnto her and his acceptation and fauor which aboue other he hath loued her withall Now also sée how you erre and are deceyued For why was Marie belooued rather then other what for her owne sake onely or for her righteousnes or because there was no blemish found with in her or because she deserued it or because she was vnspotted and without sin or because as most holy she was worthy of greater Benefits O foolish and slowe to vnderstand the Scripture and what is written It became you to search and learne truly the meaning of this place and not to cleaue to your owne opinions wherefore marke the Scripture vnderstand and see and learne and conuert 1 First God saith by the Angell that Marie is freely belooued that is of his meere mercie did he it she deserued it not 2. Secondly the Lorde was with her for God is with all his elect 3. Thirdlye she is chosen before the rest for God did thinke well of her as of one a Vessell of election rather then any other 4. Fourthly shee was in fauour and found it shee had it not of her selfe 5. Fiftely belooued in that shee conceyued and bare our Sauiour Christ and belooued for him the belooued of all not for her owne sake 6. Sixte lie belooued and blessed in that he whom shee bare was the Sauiour of the worlde not that shee saued anie Basil to Iulitta vvylleth vs to pray to God
yéelde certaine reasons Pride First of all the pride of Sion is great and her daughters haue wādring eyes and stretched out neckes they mince it in the stréetes with their féete as if onely they had a care to liue héere and to doo nothing else Securitie Secondly the fulnesse of bread is great and 〈◊〉 are inglutted with the Oliue and the Grape therefore beginne freé to to be carelesse Whordom Thirdlie there is a gréeuous sinne which of all other I feare which aboue the rest I abhorre which of all is most damnable which in the most is most common yet estéemed of ouer lighthe by the most godlie which is whoredome that is so sparinglie punished For these sinnes am I perswaded that God hath begun●e to shewe his displeasure and angrie countenaunce vpon vs the Lord hath nowe forewarned vs to looke about and to examine our selues against the tyme of his comming And assuredlie I am sore gr●uc● for the same for the Papistes finding that we haue displeased God and knowing that the Lord neuer striketh but when he is angry have nowe of late lyft vp their heads thinking to make a conquest and to pray vpon vs So that I sée we are nowe in distresse and two kinde of inconueniences fall vpon vs for our sinnes First the Lord is 〈◊〉 honoured and the Papistes they hope for a day Secondlie our people and nation is affrighted and in parte discouraged 〈◊〉 they feare that because the multitude of Heretiques are nowe inc●●sed that therefore God as he hath warned vs hath also forsaken vs and as he hath touched vs hath certainly delivered vs into their handes which is nothing so wherefore séeing the the aduersaire is so exalted against God in his pride and the poore Church so discouraged for her sinnes in great humilitie I will say some thing to them be the. As concerning you the aduersaries of God and enimies to England whether you be called by the name of Papistes or tearmed as Catholiques or estéemed as Iesuites or thought to be Seminaries 〈◊〉 called by any other name among men Vnderstand all of you that if we haue sinned you haue no cause to reioyce we haue not trespassed against you but against God and if any thing happen vnto vs we are vnder the handes of the Lord not vnder yours What if our fathers haue erred what if our Kinges and Princes haue offended what if our Rulers haue trespassed and we his people gone astraie that appertayneth not vnto you but vnto our God To him we submitte our selues to him we yéelde to him we acknowledge our sinnes 〈◊〉 for you what haue you to doo with vs why trouble you his people and what haue you to doo with his annointed we will submitte not selues to the highest we will not be delyuered into your handes nor into the handes of men Knowe you that we will neither choose to ●ye thrée dayes before our enimies nor haue seuen yéeres famine come vpon vs in the land but we will fall into the handes of God let the Lord doo what séemeth him best in his eyes Now if it should come to passe that we were againe made slaues vnto you as we haue béene of oide tyme yet would the Lord be reuenged vpon you your Shéepheards should be scattered as was Gardner and Bonner your Princes and blasphemers should perishe as all those haue done that stoode against vs your Runners and Deuowrers with the swoord should haue a deadly ende as hath befaine to the persecutors of our Church and you your selues should haue all the plagues of Egipt to trouble you tyll you had deliuered vs. what if we serued you seuen or eight péeres for our sinnes to reclaime vs yet would the Lord send an other Othoniell Iudg. 3.9 to redéeme vs consume you what if eightéen yéeres as we confesse some times we did what aduantage was that to you when Eglon your King Iudg. 3.14 with the Ammonites and Amalekites were afterward destroyed for it by Ehud of Gera the Captaine of the Lord What I pray you aduauntageth it you to rayle on the hoast of the lyuing God and to curse vs and to defie vs before the Lord if afterwards you and yours be found all onely to be they that are cursed for so it fell out in the dayes of Ezechias when Senacherib defied Israell and rayled on the lyuing God Isai 37.38 And so fell it out at the beginning to Balack the sonne of Ziphor Numb 22. that hyred Balaam to curse Israell as the Pope hath hyred and sent you out to curse vs. Therfore this people if they will feare the Lord shall not be afraide of two or thrée Bées of the East but euen they shall sée your dead carcases vppon the ground and you the enimies of God to be drowned and swim before their faces And nowe for the second point for which I doo perceyue the people of this Land are greatly troubled namely because that the Papistes and Iesuites with other the riffe raffe and scumme of this Realme are nowe séene to appeare who before this tyme haue béene hidden in the bytches and channelles of England Let them all vnderstand that it is a small thing with God and no great or rare matter to haue wicked men and vngodlie ones to arise in the Familie of the Lord. For so it must it be in his Church Congregation for euer that those that are his may be tried VVhy wherefore for what cause should you be ●●●couraged it hath béene so of olde from the beginning it hath béene thus Looke and sée search and vnderstand it will be found true It is a small matter in great abundance of small hearbes to haue a handfull of stinking wéedes in a mightie ground well eared with corne to finde some Darnel or some Cockle in plentifull Gardens and well ●●ored to haue a bundle or two of Nettles or in our great and mighty Church of England to haue a fewe of wicked and peruerse papistes The Israelites cannot doo amisse though some Préestes of ●●all 〈◊〉 in the Land the Congregation shall not all perishe though Coré D●than and Abiram conspire the Prophetes of God all faithfull persons must not be dismaied albeit some offer vp Incense to the Quine of Heauen and England must not be afrayde though some Iesuiets trouble them The Church of Corinthus had in it false brethren that hindred them and Laodecaea and Smirna and Theatyra in the Reuelation had among them wicked persons that withortwe them and the Primitiue Church hath not béene without Heretiques at all tythes that haue withstoode them neither shall England be without Se●inaries and schollers of the Pope to molest them I remember what Augustine sayth August ad Petrum Cap. 43. Firmissime tene et nallaten●● dubites Aream esse Dei ecclesiam Catholicam et in ea vsque in sinem seculi frumento mixtas pale as contineri That is It is to be thought
both to the right hand and to the left hand contrarie to the word of God I appeale to your owne consciences I referre my selfe to that spirite which I knowe euen nowe pricketh you The profession of Iesuites and the name of thē was taken of two sundrie per sons the profession vpōthe ererection of a college by a Pope the name is taken was before the erection of the house almost 1050. yeares for they be Iesuites of Iesus Haeret. fabularum Compend 10. lib. 4. and in the same tel me whether I charge you wrōgfully yea or not Where haue you warrant for that profession which some of you here professe Why are you seuered from men by an other name and wherefore haue you that same vnheardof title of Iesuites what Prophete what Apostle what good and auncient dusto●●e of the Primitiue Church sinde you this in The time will not permit me now but hereafter I will shewe your originall at large But yet tell me what authoritie what warrant what Scripture you haue for your whippings and your shauings Truely they are good marks for you to be knowne by as of such as be right Priestes of Baal Who as you whippe your selues so they also launched them selues to be séene of men Or you be like vnto the Donatistes of whome Theodoretus Bishop of Cyrus speaketh For they fat vp them selues like Porklings before they dye and offer vp sacrifices to them that are aliue and whip one an other oftentimes One merrie pretie conceited thing I do remember written of them by the same Theodorete which thing a yong Gentleman is said to haue done Now it fell out that many of them vpon a time assembled together being like vnto madde men and in a phrensie The Arrian in killing of him selfe the Donatist in his madnesse doing the same and the Iesuite in whipping of him and shortening his time agree al in one fell vpon a noble and couragious young Gentleman and among them one reached vnto him a naked sword and bid him runne him thorowe for he was wearie of his life the young youth aunswered that he was afraide to doe any such déede and then peraduenture if I should doe it your companions also would kill me But they forced him at length the Gentleman vpon condition condescended so that they would be all bound with cords that he might be in feare of nothing They also yealded to that This Gentleman bound them fast then tooke he the sword of them which done he would not runne vpon them or kil them but tooke whippes and whipped them For my owne part of a trueth I commend this young man and I would that our grayheaded Fathers in this Realme were of his minde Not that I doe desire they should drawe out the sword to cut you off but bicause you are so well vsed to whippings as being a profession of your owne to doe it I would councell them to haue a care of the same and no withered armes in the tryall of this matter Nowe if you like your owne countrie cordes better than ours they shall doe a good deede to shippe you ouer to Rome againe There can be no better lawe to tame them then is the same to which they are sworne ●●d is so well allowed of them from whence you came Then can you not complaine of vs for we haue done no more vnto you then you would haue vs doe no nor then you do vnto your selues And weout al dout if you should be touched according to your deseruings I do not finde howe you should escape w e your liues the both seditiously come hither to raise vp her Maiesties subiectes and tumultuously spread abroad rebellious pamphlets and with so horrible sacriledge to the Maiestie of God cause our people to refuse comming to the Church Thrée which if both her Maiestie were not merciful and our learned and sage Fathers willing also to heare of your conuersion and amendment are able to cut you short enough for euer séeing Rome or the Pope any more For my owne part The false Churches vse fire and ●aggot in much crueltie therefore the true Church may vse some discipline and some sharp punishmēt with out tyrannie I will not add willingly affliction to affliction or griefe vnto griefe yet what we suffered in those bloudie and late dayes the world knoweth and for the bread and good kéeping you finde in the Towre you trussed vs vp at the Gallowes and fiered vs at the stake The Lord graunt that it be not layde vnto your charge But thankes to our Lorde God that hither to hath saued vs from you I hope that for his names sake he will deliuer vs still In déede you beginne to bussell nowe and by little and a little to shewe your heades in this Realme but your hope shall be turned to distrust and your day you looke for to an vnknowne day and what so euer it be that you trust vnto whether to the hollowe heartes of England The church was nener without one Achitophel some Doeg or other or one Iudas to betray it or to the faire prontifes of those that sent you ●uer or to some Oracle you haue by which you haue receiued courage or to the foreigne powers which haue bewitched you or to the trayterous attemptes that haue bene practised or to the seditious tumultes which the Pope and Spaine haue raised or else to what so euer it is you trust I tell you plainely you are beguiled you are deceiued you are blinded you are infatuated and your Counsel is brought to nought You may retire wel enough with your companions for of a truth as Achior saide to Olofernes captaine of the armie of Assur Iudeth 5. so can we and so will we answere you If we haue done no great sinne or committed no euill in the sight of our God whereby we haue prouoked him he shall fight against you all But if we haue then if we repent not the Lord will surely deliuer vs into your handes and if there be none iniquitie in vs it is best for you and for your confederates to goe by and to returne backe for I tell you the Lord will fight for vs. Nowe if it should come to passe that God should deliuer vs into the handes of forainers and into she handes of the wicked God not man is to be feated when man comm●●deth ha●●is co●tratie to God yet will we say as Shadrach Meshach and Abednego saide to Nebucadnezar We woulde neither obey them nor their commaundement but let the Lord do what semeth him good in his eyes And in the meane season as wee depende vpon the Lorde our God that made both heauen and earth So also wee will not cease to crye out against you to desire the Lorde to deale with you acco●ding to the iniquitie of your inuentions Psal 28.5 To disperse your lying lippes and your deceiptfull tongues Psalm 12.3 To reward you seuenfolde into your