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A19855	A detection of that sinnful, shamful, lying, and ridiculous discours, of Samuel Harshnet. entituled: A discouerie of the fravvdulent practises of Iohn Darrell wherein is manifestly and apparantly shewed in the eyes of the world. not only the vnlikelihoode, but the flate impossibilitie of the pretended counterfayting of William Somers, Thomas Darling, Kath. Wright, and Mary Couper, togeather with the other 7. in Lancashire, and the supposed teaching of them by the saide Iohn Darrell.	Darrel, John, b. ca. 1562.	1600 (1600)	STC 6283; ESTC S109292	232,635	230

chief witnesses He that adu●●edly considereth of their depositions will finde that they haue deposed materially against counterfeyting and so much as the worlde is not able to answer much lesse the Disc with all the helpe he hath from his miserable shiftings wreastings reexamynations Againe if ther were any omytted which could depose more materially and fully against this supposed counterfeyting then doth this cause and worke of God susteyne the more losse and is to the Disc more aduantage he might well therefore haue helde his peace and contented himselfe with that which is already deposed But in all likelihood he would heere-vpon pe●● ade his reader that the things deposed are of no moment at all but easily auoyded and wyped away with a wett finger But alas this is harder for him then he ymagineth It is beyond the compasse of all his ●ca●ning and wit as may appeare by that which he hath done already for hauing heerein labored what he can by such countenance and authority as he could possibly procure yea and pressed euery thinge 〈◊〉 the vttermost yet in the ende after all his sweating canuasing and 〈…〉 he proued iust nothing in the acco●nt of any man of wisd●● 〈◊〉 and iu●gment as I trust will ymed●ad appeare vppon the 〈…〉 nations themselues Had he not better then haue sit 〈◊〉 and win●ed at these depositions or smoothly passed by the● as he 〈◊〉 by diuers other thin●s as if he had not seene them then thus to haue strygle● and striuen like a birde in the lyme to the vtter disgra●e and ouerthrowe of ●imselfe and the pretende● counterfeytinge he so earnestly stryueth for And thus much for answer to his coging a●d g●auering preface Now to proceed to the eamininge of the Dis re-examynati●ns That this may be done the more throughly exactly I will first set downe the first depositions of those whome the Disc hath re-examyned where he either hath not donne it at all or else but in part and so comparing theire former and latter depositions or re-examynations togither wee shall playnlye see what those witnesses haue retracted or qualyfied and how worthely and substantially this Disc conuinceth the depositions of the 17 taken by the aboue named 12. Commissioners Robart Aldridge clarke viccar of S. Maryes in Nott. sworne examyned saith Narration dep 2 that first he comming to W. Somers vpon thursday being the 3. of Nouember as he thinketh he found him lying vpon a bed no beddcloathes lying vpon him but only his hose and sawe a thing runninge vpp his right legg to the quantity of a mouse and he calling vnto god by prayer ymediatlie it remoued out of the right legg into the left laying his hand therevpon imediatly it remoued into his belly where it did swell to a verye greate quantity twise so byg as his body as he thinketh and from thence in to his brest there it was the bignes of his fist from thence into his neck from thence vnder his care where it remayned in the bygnes of a french walnu●t not changing his former cullor and so remayned there for the space of a quarter of an houre And this examynate further saith that he heard in a strange hollowish voyce that he was his and this examynat answering said that he lyed he was gods that he had made a promise vnto god in baptisme to be his then the voyce answered that he was god Christ a kinge that he made baptisme and that he made him his by a new couenant This examynate also further saith that the said W. So. had such strength as fiue men had much ad●o to keepe him downe duringe which time he exceeded in swelling skriking roaring velling very fearefully gnashīg of his teeth soaminge at his mouth And also saith that standinge in the hall he heard a great knocking in the parlor where the boy lay suddenly he rusted in where he sound the boy alone in his bed lying with his face vpwards in his fit with his mouth drawne awry his eyes staring as though they would haue started out of his head And kneeling downe to praier h●●d the k●●cking agayne vnder his knees as be thought And in the b●dd vnder the couerlet he sawe the forme shape as it were of fiue kythnges in 〈◊〉 to the vi●w of his eye And agayne this examinate sawe the b●d●● 〈◊〉 at the secte to shake mooue leape as the leaues of an Aspon tree shaken with the wynde Now followeth the Disc re-examynation of this deponent Discouerer M. Aldridge being asked why heeretofore he bad affirm●d that he per ceaued whilest S● was acting his tricks the formes as it w●re of k●things vnder the couerlet that lay vpon him the said couerlett being betwixte his eyes them M. Aldridg pag 210. rather then the formes of wholpes of conneyes of rātts c. answereth I thi●ke my so affirming did proceede of this c because I haue heard beefore that certayn witches had spirits in formes of kithings those formes then came to my minde And agayne I doe not very well know that a mans sences may be deceaued Besides I was then very greatlye afrayde which is a great meanes to deceaue a mans sences being a mighty passyon th●● w●ll procure many ymaginations cause a man to thinke that which is b●t 〈◊〉 to be greate that which standeth to moue that to be which is not Whereby I confesse my great feare considered that I might be deceaued in affirming many things concerning the particularities of the said So. fitts and I verily thinke it may be true that So. affirmeth of making certaine motions with his fingers vnder the said couerlett of his knocking against the bedstock whilest I was praying by his bedside Darrell M. Aldridge being re-examyned denyeth not that he sawe the formes or shapes as it were of 5. kitlings in quantity vnder the couerlet wher So. lay but only sheweth why he rather tearmed or compared the saide formes to kitlings then to other such like liuing creatures as whelps conneys ratts c. occasyoned therevnto by the interrogatory propounded vnto him except we gather the same out of the last wordes of his deposition But be it for feare or through the cunning of his examyner he was drawne vnawares to retract that he had before concerning this poynt deposed was there therefore no such supernaturall accident vnder the couerlet as the Disc woulde haue men he●revppon to collect why besides this deponent there haue 4. others deposed to this rare accident as hath bene declared beefore whereof twoe at the least viz M. Th. Gray and Ioane Pye haue bene likewise re-examyned thereabouts but we heare neither of retraction nor yet of qualification thereof whereof we may rest assured that they itera●ed and affirmed the same againe vpon their re-examynation Shall nowe the rest be per●ured as needes they must 〈◊〉 there were no ●vch accide●● beca●● of the 〈◊〉 of one 〈◊〉

he might remayne with him that so at the l●ngth he might be in quyet Darrell In these wordes the Disc telleth vs how So. by the meanes of Iohn Cooper got himselfe from his father in lawes house to S. Ioanes The reason mouiug him there-vnto was that being weary of counterfeyting through is long continuance therein viz. for 6. weekes togither he could not tell how to giue ouer his dissembling because of me To helpe himselfe therefore in this straight he bethought hī of this course we heare of For answer herevnto first the Disc doth not proue that So. was the cause of his going to S. Ioanes no not by So. deposition but onlye saith so him selfe 2. By the deposition of Iohn Cooper page 177. the contrary doth appeare as we shall presently heare 3. we may hereby coniecture how false this is in that S. Ioanes is a house in Nott. whether vagrant and ydle persons are sent and kept ver● straight to worke beinge seuerely corrected if they fayle therein Now who can thinke that So. who had runn away first from M. Grayes and after twise from Tho. Porter was a yong fydler singing boy had also playd the counterfeit boy as the Disc saith first at M. Brackenburyes then at Nott. should offer voluntarily his neck to the y●ake I meane of toy●esome labour and his back to the rod of correction And wherefore shoul●● 〈◊〉 this ●ecause forsooth otherwise he coulde not be q●y●t ●●tt himselfe ●ut of my f●ngers but must neades will he ●●ntinue ●is c●unt●rfeyting whereof ala● he gr●w w●ary An ●st riduculous 〈◊〉 all 〈…〉 ●ell consydered which I leaue to t●e 〈…〉 him of Yea but the Disc is of an other mynde for marke what he telleth vs and that very solemnly in an other place If any saith be do● surmise these practis●s to be improbable as beinge much subiect to danger pag 7. in that the said parties that are so ●unningly drawn on in those courses may vpon many occasions detect them they must know that these fellowes are well enough furnished in that behalfe For first among●st the Papistes it were sufficient to bringe a suspition of ●eresye that should but doubt that one w●re not p●ss●ss●d if their preists affirmed the contrary And we see amongst our selues how hardly it is ind●red that 〈◊〉 pret●nded Exorcists are called into question but be it that the worst should fall out yet they haue such rules as if you will allow th●m they are safe enough For if any doe once fall into their handes or yealde th●ms●lues vnto their practises they can neuer be ridd from them by any meanes so lo●g as they are pleased to worke vpon them Considering these wordes of the Disc and that he saith that c●unterfeytes can neuer be rid by any meanes from their teachers so long● a● they are pleased to worke v●on them it is no maruaile though Som. we●e glad to get himselfe euen to S. Ioaues the worst place for his case of a thousand that so he might 〈◊〉 himselfe of me but rather a maruell that he could so berid of me ●eeing the Disc saith that such schollers can neuer be rid of then mais●●rs no not by any meanes If ●i is be true S. H. how came it to passe that So. rid himselfe out of my ●andes on●e before wh●n he was weary of counterfeyting as now he is sai●e to be So. quoth the Disc beginning to be werie of counterfeyting for ought that M. Dar. could doe altogither refused to continue his dissembling cours any longer and so made no shew of any of his pranks for the space of S. weekes And agayne So. growing weary of his dis●mulation contrary to Dar relis perswasions gaue ouer all his tricks practises And this he pr●●th substantially by So. testimony Hereof saith ●e So. in this s●rt About the beginning of December pag 144. pag 11● I did grow very weary of all my former practises and there vpon did wholly leaue them contrary to M. Dar. good liking who end●u●red to perswad me still to continue 〈…〉 could not preuayl● with me so farr ●us 1. Here by the way we 〈…〉 is cōtrary to himselfe And this is the 10. 〈…〉 ●inced by his owne Discouery But I w●uld 〈◊〉 I say 〈◊〉 Disc why So could not as well gett himself●● is latter tin cout 〈…〉 without the conueying of himselfe to S Ioanes as well as before Others will thinke though the Disc be of an other minde that were it so that I had taught S● to counterfeyt as he will haue it and he had but in secret tould me that being weary of counterfeyting he wolde counterfeyt no more and rather then so he would discouer all I woulde haue bene willing enough to haue rid my selfe of him if nedes I must busy my selfe in this worthy art ●aue ●ather sought out a newe scholler then haue trouble● my s●lfe with ●ne so lazy so way war●e wauering and p●ruerse wherein also was such da●ger For how 〈◊〉 euer amongst the papists there is no danger to the pr●st tea●●t ge one to counterfeyt though the counterfeyt bewray all so long as the priest affirmes the contrary if we may beleeue the I●scouerer yet I trust he will not say the same of the ministers of Christ Iesus amonge vs and yet he doth say somthing bending that way Moreouer if S. m. saide thus to Cooper and went by his owne pro●urement to this said ●nd to S. Ioanes why when he was come thither di● Cooper ●●reat●n to whip him if he would not leaue his ●ricks as Cooper ●imselfe con●esse● vppon his oath to t●e 12. Commissioners but more for the c●nuincing of this followeth forthwith And where the Disc pretendeth that So. grew weary of his relapse meaning counterfeyting to be reposses●e● because he had continu●● th●r● about sixe weeke● 〈◊〉 is therein greatly deceaued for it was but two wee●es So. Le●an to be repo●●essed at or about the time of his yn pris●●n●ent as appeareth by the beginninge of t●is chapter page 49. but that was ●ot about the 14. of 〈…〉 as the Disc saith in the argument of this c●apter and So. also a little after ●ut t●e 14. of ●●ruary as I ca● pr●●e by many witnesse the 24. of I 〈◊〉 ●e went to S. I●an●s as is 〈◊〉 where ●ee was pr●●ntly quyet and confessed his dissi●●ulati●n By t●is that hath here said we may partly see that So. remoued not ●imselfe for t●e cause heere alledged to S. Ioanes but they in●eed cau●ed ●●is r●m●uall wh●me Sathan vsed as his instr●●ents to get from t●e boy that ●ursed confession of counterfeyting which soone after he was there ●ee made the meanes first being vsed which serued there vnto viz. promises and threats as ●eereafter will appear And those were our Nottingham Commissioners who caused him to be carried thither greatly against the boyes and his parents will vnder coullour to fynde out some counterfeytinge where it was as manifest as the daye-light at noon

and entering into his house againe fell to his olde byas for thus it was The aduersaryes especially M. Freeman and ●●l Gregory hauing contended for counterfeyting about 11. weekes but not preuayling it so fell out that one Sterland of Snenton neere Nott. hauing bene one day in the ma●kett at Nott. fell there sick whereof he dyed but before in his sicknesse said a● his wise and others affirmed that So. had trode vpon his hee●e whē he was last at the said marke●t and had certainly bewitched him as appeareeth by page 149. Herevppon it was bruited throughout Nottingham that S● was a witch and not possessed and so all that he had before done or suffered came ●rom himselfe and his familyar spirit This rumour spreading it selfe the matter was inquired into foūd out that he dyed as the phisitian saith of a bastard plurisy in his rauing saying as is afore●aid which is confessed page 149. his wife also affirming that she would not for any thing say that So. had bewitched her husband Heerevppon the aforesaid rumor suddenly vanished and came to naught But M. Freman and M. Gregory comming from London abont ten dayes after reu●ued the same and of iu●t nothinge made a haynous matter and would needes haue So. to be a witcn M. Freeman got to his owne howse Sterlands wi●e and some of her neighbours and so wrought them that the poore wife her neighboures said forthwith after openly in the towne hall somuch as wherevppon for the bewitching Sterland her husband to death So. was imprisoned and they bound to giue euidence against him at the next a●sises And heereof So. was not ignorant being a matter notoriously knowne to the inhabitants of Nott. Thus wee see how So. came to be in feare danger of hanging and by whose meanes or procurement what was now to be done by Somers or what was the safest courie for him to take whereby to free himselfe from the daunger he was in to saue his life Surely to say and stand to it that he counterfeyted in all that he had done before for who would then accuse him of witchcraft or giue eare to such accusation If he would affirme that he himselfe did all by art in disse●nulation no body would beleeue that he had either diuell or spirit or any thing to doe with spirit or familiar this I say wa● an eas● and sure way to saue his life an● so it proued Agayne S●● might thus thinke with himselfe M. Freeman and M. Gregory who would fa●ne haue me to be a counterfeyt are they whoe haue caused me to be accuse● of witch●●a●● and they are able to take that order with M. Maior and the other Aldermen they specially ioyninge 〈…〉 matter shall 〈◊〉 stood to the truth and had neuer acknowledged any counterse 〈◊〉 for any ●●ing man could see he had bene as certaynlye arraigned of 〈◊〉 as ●e ●as accu●ed and ymprisoned for the same ●●rlands wise an●●her neig●bours had giuen euidence against him a● such a lury 〈◊〉 trust ca●●ed out to haue gone on him as it 〈◊〉 be wold haue found 〈◊〉 guilty as well as one at the ●ame a●●nes that found 〈…〉 not guilty of murmering or be 〈◊〉 to death the childe of 〈◊〉 Co●per 〈◊〉 to ●omers pag 200. VVhether So now were d●awne to say he ha●●●ssembled for feare o● hanging as I a●firme or the care of hangig 〈…〉 as the Disc a●●irmeth ●et the ●●eader iudge Put the Dis● proceedet● yet a little ●urther in 〈◊〉 proofe of that ●e a●firmeth Discouerer 〈◊〉 after that So. vpon that o●ca●im and s●me others fell to his 〈◊〉 in them about six weeks pag 199. and did 〈◊〉 make 〈…〉 knowne ●or all that time an● his 〈◊〉 to 〈…〉 that So. for 〈…〉 againe to 〈…〉 by●s of 〈◊〉 Darrell 〈…〉 only about ten da●es 〈…〉 which the Disc m●erieth the 〈◊〉 viz. that 〈…〉 fell againe to his dissimulation Discouerer Assuredly quoth the Disc this fellow through his acquaintance with sathan as it should seeme is gra●vne to extraordinary pre●●np tuous b●uldn●sse pag 199. not shaming to say any thing that may serue his turne Darrell VVhether this latter parte may be truly said of himselfe and he be iudged out of his owne mouth let him that hath hearde vs both speake iudge Discouerer So. fell into his sits b●fore the Commissioners at Nott. vppon a former compact 〈…〉 and for fear ●shanging chiefly then affirmed that he had not dissembled This is by ●egrees made manifest vnto you Darrell But how by So. depositions which are strengthened by the depositions of others these latter I will for a season spare and wee will heare what So saith the principall deponent heere as also throughout the 2. 3. and 4. bookes of the Discouery Discouerer Concerning the first So. deposeth thus pag 200. It being knowne that I was to appeare before the Commissioners Nich Shepheard and others moued me that when I should come before them I should shew some of my trickem such manner and forme as I had before done them not rise againe vntill M. Maior should call me that thereby say they it may plainly appeare to the Commissioners that whatsoeuer thou hast done before was done of thine own accord meerely counterfeyted This counsell being agrecable to M. Maiors desire as I was informed I did willingly yeald vnto it Now for the second poynt pag 201. lett So. proceede vpon the aid agreement I appearing saith So before the Commissioners and after some speaches had with me by some of them fell downe and playd diuers of my tricks as I was accustomed to d●e●m my pretended fitts There I continued tumbling acting my tricks for a long time still expecting when M. Maior woulde call me whi●est I was thus tumb●ng two did prick me with pynnes one in the hand and an other in the legg which although I felt most sencibly yet I endured it because I still wayted that M. Maior should call ●ne but beforgetting 〈◊〉 I being no longer able to continve in that sort I did risvp my selfe as I was wont to doe in the end of other my dissembled fits Darrell VVhether there was any comp●ct betwene the Maior and Somers it mattereth not If there were not their sin is at the dore will one day finde them out that haue so deposed If there were it came doubtles●e from the 〈◊〉 of the diuell who hauing for sundry weekes beefore lurked in Somer that so he might the better rayse vp the euil● name of counterfeyting of the greate worke of god● and beinge by the appoyntment or commaundement of god as is to be supposed at this time to manifest himselfe thought t●e●● by to helpe ●●mselfe and perswade the world still notwithstanding this his ●●c●uery that So. was a counterfeyt If any demaund why should the Lord commaound the spirit to discouer himselfes I answer t●at at is a secret ●nly knowne to the lorde yet it may be because the Lord

Harsnett the Discouerer wherof the most are trades-men and some verye simple men did not exceede their bounds went not beyonde they re compasse but helde themselues within theire element in the execution of their seuerall comissions But the aforesaid gentlemen that had this matter in examination before notwithstandinge the gentlemen be of greate wisdome and sufficiency did by the censure of the Disc ouershoote themselues and went beyond their element A strange thing But it may be that S. Harsnet if none if his fellowe Commissioners hath that speciall guift whereof he speaketh page 28. which in his learning he calleth the guift of discerning spirit● which is a measure of gods spirit to discerne betwixt counterfeyts and such as were in deede possessed which none of the other hath vf he haue so yett mee thinketh these other commissioners should at least be able to tell whether So. being prickt with pynnes before their eyes stirred thereat or no● and whether any bloud issued out whether his body swelled c. and this with such like in this case sufficed and is sure within the cōpasse of their element Discouerer And conscerning also the witnesses themselues much might be saide for their excuse pag 209. They hauing conceaued well of M. Darrell coulde not easily suspect any trechery in him that is as mu●h to say that they did not s●● weare themselues more if S●r●●rs counte sered as the In●● will haue it And to say the truth these grounds presupposed to be true which M. Dar. had taught them viz. that whatsoeuer he did or spake in his fitts it was not So but the diuell that did speak it it may rather be maruayled that they deposed no a more then blamed that they deposed so much Darrell Marke I pray you the vnconcionable proceeding of this Discouerer First in his preamble to the depositions somthing be saith to exte●●uate the ouersight of the commissioners then for the excuse of the wit●●sses he telleth vs that the witnesses also conceaued well of me or were 〈◊〉 preposterouslye affected towardes mee and thence also it came that they deposed in this manner as they did what a thing is this that a●most all men should thus a●fect and loue me whom others somuch ●etest and abhor The Commissioners they through their preposcerous affections to me ha● their eye of wisdome blynded 〈◊〉 208. so as they like vnwi●e men as they were held with Darrell beleuing that Som. had not dissembled whereas the wiser sort beleued Somers The witnesses beinge no lesse then 17. conceaued so well of me as for the affection they bore me i● the Disc say true they purposely forsweare themselues for it to those things which vpon their oathes they did avow pag 207. they did depose not for that they saw and feit any such rare and impossible things in So. as they deposed but vpon some partiall and corrupt affection towardes me then can it not be denyed but that they did statly per●u●e themselues which if it were so the Disc being a minister of the gospell might haue bene better occupyed a great deale to haue ●isp●ayed their corruption and agrauated their synne then thus to haue pleaded in their defence and excuse An other thinge whereby the witnesses were drouen to depose as they did was saith the Disc a falle deceiptfull ground they had receaued from M. Darrell viz. that it was not Somers but the diuell that did spake all in his fits To this I answer that notwithstanding any speach they heard from me they themselues could well enough tell what they heard felt or law in Somers my speach could not sure put out their eyes or depriue them of theire sences and feeling whither the things were spoken or done by So. or by the diuell that was nothing to them Moreouer almost all the witnesses deposed to those things which they partly felt and partly sawe beefore they heard my voyce at Nott. as appeareth by the depositions 〈◊〉 speach then of ●●ne could either so bleare and dazell their eyes or bewitch and ●e●um●ne their s●nces to make them quite voyd of sence we● in conclusion the Disc do●● heerevpon tell vs that it may rather be maruayled they deposed no more then they blamed that they deposed so much what a ●e●ceresie speach is this and how ill beseming any that professeth himselfe to be a christian much more a minister of the gospell From hence the Disc to the end of this Chapter setteth downe the retractations of sundry of the deponents yea he beareth the world in hand that they haue all of them retracted all that before these commissioners they had former●y deposed Mow it is a synne and shame fo● any to retra●●at which he hath beefore absolutely aduisedly and vp●● good groun● affirmed vpon his oath But a greater syune and shame it is to iusti●● 〈◊〉 in so doing Secondly among these retractions there be some as forthwith will appeare which haue directlye 〈◊〉 them●● the Disc report their depositions truely Now what 〈◊〉 ab●m●nation is this that a Bishop his Chaylayne who take vpon them to be cen●urers and reprouers of mens faults haue no reproofe for the per●ured nay be ●o farr from dealing so with often●● of 〈…〉 that they rather maruayle that ●hey are no more per●ured Discouerer But one thing concerning our witnesses in hand is worthy of a consideration that the most of these that were examyned were but symple persons such as had not bene past twis● or thrice with the 〈…〉 of his trouble pag 〈◊〉 Som hauing threescore ready would haue produced his 〈◊〉 if witnesses first but peraduenture it was thought good po●●icy to ●ay the burthen vpon the s●mp●er sort Darrell A thirde and principall exception against our witnesses is that they were simple me● I answer some of them were gentlemen of wor●mp others gentlemen by office 4. preachers In a word none of the are accounted by such as best knowe them to be more simple then other men yea I dare be bould to say not any of the 17. deponents be so simple as some that I could name of the latter Commissioners which is a shame forsome and disgrace of their commission The 4. exception is They had not bene past twise or thrice with the boy It is most vntrue for sundry of them had bene oft with him in his fits some almost dayly with him for the space of a monneth beefore and one was continually in the same house with him day and night And where he obiecteth that I hauing 60. ready it had bene fit I should first haue produced my cheif witnesses we must vnderstand that the commissioners sitting two dayes togither and calling for some to prooue nowe this now that one while this ympossible thinge to be counterfeyted an other while such other matter as in their wisdomes they thought good I was constrayned to send in such as were then at hand But how knoweth the Disc that these are not my

whereof my selfe haue bene a witnes Kath. Wright was no sooner dispossessed but presently the deuill rais●d vp one Beckingham an old man in the ministrie and a kinde of preacher to say that she had the falling sicknes and yet the man neuer saw her vntill her dispossession Darling being dispossessed Sathan stirred vp one Edward Baker to say that he counterfeited and others to report that he was helped by a witch of Staphenhil when the 7. in Lancashire were deliuered from Sathan the papists gaue in out and spread it abroad that I was a Coniurer in so much as M. Dickons writtinge vnto me thereof aduīsed me to come to Manchester and onenly in the pulpit to cleare my selfe of that slaunder Neither doe I doubt but that the same is noysed among them vntill this day For since my imprisonment I vnderstand by writing that they report their that I did put the deuill into them all the very same words also haue s●ndry of them said to my face in prison And they papistes at they Cl●● openly and a loud haue called my beloued brother M. More who ioyned with me in the same worke and in regard theirof hath bene my fellow in bonds Conturer In like sorte when the deuill was cast out of Somers he had some at hand to say that he counterfeited yea ceased not vntill by himselfe and his instruments he had not onely drawne t● boy vpon whom the worke was wrought to say that he counterfeted but that the same might be more probable and the rather beleiued to affirme besides that I taught him so to doe yea lett vs assure our selues that if Satan should be driven out of thowsands hereafter against euery such worke of god for the obscuring of it he would ra●e vp spread abroad one slaunder or other otherwise god should goe with the glorie due to him and man make his best profit therof without any resistance by Sathan which is not possible except in som speciall case and for a certaine time it please the lord to chaine him vp Be it then as the Disc saith though in this chapter of his there be much vntruth that So was accounted by many in Nott. for a dissembler it doth no more proue So. to be a dissembler then the account and report of the people of the Iewes proueth that Iohn the baptist had a deuill math 11. 18. yea that Christ was a glutton and drincker of wine that he cast ou● deuils by the prince of deuils and that he had a deuill In a matter of religion or concerning god or his seruants vox populi is not as we commonly saye vox dei but often if not for the most parte uox diaboli Yet indeede the people or multitude said not from time to time nor yet at any time that So. counterfeited as the Disc affirmeth but the contrary But let vs frame and therby a litle better obserue the Disc argument therby to see how substantiallie he proueth Som. to haue counterfeited It was reported saith one I thinke I verily thinke say others that So. did counterfeit ergo So. counterfeited Behold the Disc demonstration If this be a good argument then this also many reporte that So. did not counterfeit and some of better iudgment and credite then these deponents haue so deposed as namely M. Ireton M. Browne M. Evington but alas these men were out of their owne element M. Brinsley preachers of the gospell ergo So. did not counterfeite Thus also I can proue that So. was possessed for they aforesaid preachers haue deposed that they thinke so Yea what is their so false pag. 150. 151. that one may not in appearance proue or so true that he can not disproue by this kind of argument many thinke and prattle of the fyre of purgatorie ergo etc. The Iewes who are not a few thinke and verily thinke and say to this day that the Messias is not yet come ergo The Disco may be ashamed thus to dispute But this shamles kinde of arguing pag 259. doth wel sut with the cause he hath in hand Neuerthelesse I answere particularly to the chiefest of these depositions Discouerer I did alwayes saith M. Aldred hubt in myhart that he did but diss●ble Darrell 〈◊〉 we haue heard before how greatly M. Aldred was affēcted with that he beheld in So. the 6. of Nouember at night and the day of his d●possession whither for breuities ●ake I referr the reader so as it can not possible be true that is heere deposed And if M. Aldred haue 〈◊〉 vpon his oath his deposition is not to be regarded Discouerer When I perceiued quoth M. Leigh that the diuel pag 〈◊〉 that was pretended to be in Somers could speake no language but English I tooke the boye for a counterfe●e and so alwayes after I did repute him Darrell I answeare M. Leigh that this a sory argument and sily conclusion to perswade him and others through him of Som counterfeiting because he could speake no language but english For their be many no doubt in England which be somwhat stragly handled that can speak no other language but english yet are no counterfeits Neither doth ●●ence 〈◊〉 that he had no deuill in him except M. Leigh can proue this that whosoeuer is possessed and hath a deuill in him speaketh diuers Languages then indede he saith somethinge Their is no doubt but that the 〈◊〉 can skill of all Languages but it followeth not their vpon that beinge in man he theirfore will speake the said languages or some of them at the becke also and pleasure of this or that man He can doe many thinges that he will not doe No question but the deuill in So. m god permitting could haue done a thousand thinges whereby it should haue bene as manifest he had bene in Somers as by speaking latin or greeke whereof he did not one and yet it followeth not theirvpon that he was not theire THE FIFTH BOOKE OF CHAP. 1. How M Darrells credite touchinge his dealing with the boy of Burton doth relye upon a false and foolish booke that was published of the said boy● pretended poss●ssion and dispossession Discouerer And M. Dar. pag 169. himselfe confesseth that he read or at the least did heare the said booke read over before it went to the presse and yet acknowledgeth vpon diuers occasions as heereafter shall appeare that sundrie poynte 〈◊〉 are vntrue which beinge considered together with the premises it may 〈◊〉 bethought that M. Darr writteth falsly when he telleth vs that a greate many would depose the saide booke to be c one would thinke that this Disc had neuer gone to schoole he reasoneth so childishly as if a discourse may not be true in the substance yet faultye in some circumstance true if they might be called theirunto by authoritie Darrell The Disc hauinge vsed many wordes to smale purpose and not worthy the answearing to proue the printed booke concerninge Darling to