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A65264 A fuller answer to Elimas the sorcerer or to the most material part (of a feign'd memoriall) toward the discovery of the Popish Plot, with modest reflections upon a pretended declaration (of the late Dutchess) for charging her religion : prelates ... in a letter addressed to Mr. Thomas Jones by Richard Watson ... / published by Monsieur Maimburg ... Watson, Richard, 1612-1685. 1683 (1683) Wing W1090; ESTC R34094 54,514 31

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the same according to the sense and acception of the Primitive Fathers whom they cite in multitudes to authorize the Doctrine of our Church therein Of some the most eminent I shall render their own words and afterward apply my self to what follows Let the most Reverend Archbishop Cranmer be the first who in the Preface of his Answer unto D. Stephen Gardiner p. 1. sayeth Where I use to speak sometimes as the old Authors do that Christ is in the Sacraments I mean the same as they did understand the matter that is to say not of Christ's carnall presence in the outward Sacrament but sometimes of his Sacramentall presence That Christ and his holy Spirit be truely and indeed present by their mighty and sanctifying power vertue and grace in all them that worthily receive the same Again pag. 8. of his first Book of the Sacrament As he giveth the Bread so giveth he his very body to be eaten with our Faith And therefore I say that Christ giveth himself truely to be eaten chawed and digested but all is Spiritually with Faith not with mouth The Reader is to take notice That when his Grace useth the termes verily and indeed which are the same in our Church-Catechisme I understand his sense aequivalent to theirs after him who say really upon the like occasion neither he nor they meaning more or less then our Church does nor all otherwise then did the Primitive Fathers for when really is extended to denote transubstantially his Grace afterward utterly disclaimes it As does likewise the Right Reverend Bishop Iewell of Sarum our Church Apologist against the Papists pag. 319. of his Reply to Mr. Harding's Answer We teach the people not that a naked Sign or Token but that Christ's Body and Blood indeed and verily is given unto us that we verily eat it that we verily drink it that we verily be relieved and live by it Yet we say not either that the substance of the Bread or Wine is done away or that Christ's Body is let down from Heaven or made Really or Fleashly Present in the Sacrament The most Reverend Archbishop Laud declines not at all the word but commends it for the best that can be used in the matter of the H. Sacrament pag. 188. of the Relat. of his Conf. speaking of C. Bellarmine thus Now if he had left out Conversion and affirmed only Christ's reall presence there after a mysterious and indeed an ineffable manner no man could have spoke better Again pag. 192. And for the Church of England nothing is more plain than that it believes and teaches the True and Reall presence of Christ in the Eucharist And this his Grace declares not only for himself but urgeth that Archbishop Cranmer comes more plainly and more home to it than Frith a Martyr for it that had said enough before For if you understand saith he by this word really Reipsa that is in very deed and effectually so Christ by the grace and efficacy of his Passion is indeed and truly present c. but if by this word Really you understand Corporaliter Corporally in his natural and Organical Body under the Forms of Bread and Wine 't is contrary to the Holy Word of God And so likewise Bishop Ridley Nay Bishop Ridley addes yet farther and speaks so fully to this Point as I think no man can add to his Expression Both you and I saith he agree in this That in the Sacrament is the very true and natural Body and Blood of Christ even that which was born of the Virgin Mary which ascended into Heaven which sits on the right hand of God the Father which shall come thence to judge the quick and the dead Only we differ in modo c. With the aforesaid Prelates the learned Bishop Mountagu thus accords pag. 250. of his Answer to the Gagger He gave substance and really subsisting essence who said This is my body this is my Blood It. pag. 251. Poor Woodcock or Catholique Cockscomb that sendest a Protestant to seek a figure who is as reall and substantiall as any Papist Id. afterward in his Appeale pag. 289. speaking to the Informers Which Reall presence in your Divinity is flat Popery but not in the Divinity of the Church of England for this he cites Bishop Bilson Andrews Morton and for the easie accommoding the difference between them and us were it not for the Jesuites faction on their side and the Puritans on ours the incomparable Hooker that Puritanomastix as he calls him To this effect is the late Bishop of Durham's first Chapter in his accurate History of Papal Transubstantiation where the Reall that is the true and not imaginary Presence of Christ in the Sacrament of the Eucharist is asserted out of the Sacred Scriptures according to the very words praefixed in the Title of it And the most acute no less solid Bishop Ier. Taylor in his larger Tractate entituled The Reall presence and Spirituall of Christ in the blessed Sacrament Proved against the Doctrine of Transubstantiation Which Doctrine is that no question her H. meanes though couched in the word Reall not considering perhapps that Real-Spiritual may alltogether as well be in conjunction as Real-Carnal or Corporeal otherwise her complaisance in the discovery had not been such as to deserve her astonishment or wonder when of so many learned Writers we have upon that Subject she could scarce have taken a book in hand which would not have set the terme or true sense and meaning of it in her view with the concession of our Church if she had read or heard other of it the Authours were not well studyed in the point but took on trust the expressions of our early Writers after the Reformation whereas the true state of the Controversy was not so clearly understood at first on either side as it is now Sayed the Bishop of Derry Sch. Gard. p. 378. And being so in the opinion of those I mention'd and many more may the difference so formidable as it looks be much more easily reconciled then heretofore both sides contributing their symbol to a happy peace and not struggling for that which never will be made good and evident on either For had her H. known or consided what the Authour of Fiat lux saies there have been fifty or threescore several interpretations of these few words Hoc est corpus meum This is my body which it may be upon further search he might have multiplied to a hundred by variety of paraphrase in every man's peculiar distinct way of expression and did all those vanish or return to their first origen the literal sense at last by fixing a more steady eye or serious thought then formerly upon the Text Bishop Mountagu who had many Bibles and Interpreters of all sorts about him after a thorough search could not so determine it but much otherwise viz. Transubstantiation or the change of the substance of Bread and Wine in the Supper of the Lord cannot be proved