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A84686	The great interest of states & kingdomes. The second part. A sermon preached on a publike thanksgiving, on the 12th. of May, 1646. at Botolphs Alders-gate: and after (upon the desire of some friends) enlarged at Pauls Church in Covent-garden, on the Lords Day, May 17th. 1646. / By Simon Ford, minister of the Gospel at Puddle-Towne in Dorcet-shire.	Ford, Simon, 1619?-1699.	1646 (1646)	Wing F1487; Thomason E356_1; ESTC R19643	34,887	43

seeing 't is a plausible Argument which you have more then once bin urged withall for favour to the rabble of all sorts of Sectaries to minde you of the good such and such have done for you and the Kingdome give me leave a little to reflect upon the advantages which by the means of the Ministery the Lord hath brought to the great worke I shall say no more but this That the people offered themselves so willingly to your assistance that they contributed their estates so liberally that they have adventured their lives so valiantly that they have borne the length and chances of Warre so patiently adhered to you so constantly that the City hath assisted so cordially that our Brethren came to our assistance so readily nay let me add that your owne hearts have been kept up so resolutely the main meanes under God I dare say hath been the concurrence of the faithfull Prophets of God with you in this worke Far from my breast be the thought that they shall ever have cause to say with their Saviour For which of these good works do you stone us Nay I hope that you will one day stop those blacke mouths that raile at them and punish those that despightfully use them I beseech you that you will make some exemplary for railing at our Calling and therein vindicate an Ordinance of your own a The Ordināce for ordination after quoted see your own Ordinance put in execution for the securing of our Pulpits from the surprizall of every insolent mechanick help us against the evil spirits of these days that steale from us as Austin complaines our new-borne children ere they can goe alone and for the service of their own belltes make merchandize of their soules b Christianos quos maxime Christi nomine seducunt jam per ipsius Christi Evange lium natos inveniunt faciunt illos divitias suas Aug. 13. cont Mani Helpe us against those seeds-men of the evill one that creepe into houses and sow tares where 't is not in our power though never so watchfull to prevent them Suppresse those set private meetings in which these Jeroboams Priests vent their Mystery of Inquity and which they in divers places of this Kingdome altogether against the mind and without the knowledge and privity of the Pastors and at the time of publique Ordinances frequent and maintaine Consider I pray you what the Father saith in a like case desiring the Magistrate to suppresse Apollinarius his meetings Hee positively affirmes that if they permitted such Schooles of Errours against their judgment for what ever ends of policy it were in effect to proclaim their tenets orthodox yea more orthodox then their own a 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Naz. Orat. 46. and either they must know their errours and permit them or thinke them truths and not embrace them either of which I know not how a good Conscience can brooke It is a matter of great moment saith Nazianzen to restrain men from murther and punish for adultery but 't is more to make lawes for the spreading and preserving Religion to blesse a people with sound doctrine Truly as he goes on the words of a Minister are not able to do so much in contesting for fundamentall truths even for the holy Trinity it selfe as he instances in that place as the commands of the Magistrate if hee by authority stop the mouths of those that are sicke of such hereticall infection if he helps those that are persecuted by them if he restraine the murtherers of soules and keep poor soules from being murthered b Naz. Orat. 31. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c infra 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Naz Orat. 31. his interposing may likely be a meanes effectuall and powerfull to that purpose But especially look to it that there may bee no cause given from any carriage of any of you to make faithfull Ministers thinke plaine truth will not bee as welcome to Westminster now as heretofore considering that you have so much cause to thanke God that in this great worke you have had so many plaine dealing Preachers about you who have beene instrumentall to keepe up your spirits in the lowest times have continually advised you to those wayes which God hath blessed with so much successe especially in the point of the Covenant in the quarrell whereof you have ever since the day you tooke it for the most part constantly prospered and considering too that some that have Printed seditious and traiterous Libels against you are yet as to any publike notice unpunished one of them though questioned and in trouble got too easily off Consider I beseech you God hath now wonderfully prospered you and your Cause Sure there is no man will be so wicked as to persecute his Ministers in token of thankefulnesse to him If there be let him consider what God saith to his own people when they bragged God had delivered them to do all manner of abominations Jer. 7. 10. 12. 14 15 16. Neither will any I hope be so unmindfull of his Covenant however some aequivocate in it grossely as to tolerate those who must needs according to their Hereticall and Schismaticall Principles out of mistaken conscience persecute Ministers as Christ saith some should his Disciples and think they therein do God service What success God hath given an handfull of them among many thousands of otherwise minded in the Army I hope shall be no stronger plea for an Antiministeriall and haereticall then it is for the scandalous and profane party with which these and all Armies especially among the ordinary souldiers must needs abound who have had as large hand too in their successes I am sure by the Covenant you may as lawfully suffer both as either I know there are those here in this City that would Vide Master Burroughs Irenicum p. 130. faine take an Argument from the successes that God hath given to his owne cause in the hands of differently affected persons to set God in the head of an heterogeneous body made up of as differing members as Nebuchadnezzars Image was of differing metalls I meane a party made up of all kinds of Sectaries I hope they will consider how the Cavalliers sped when upon their successes they blasphemously vaunted that God was turned Cavallier and thereby be perswaded to beware how they as blasphemously thinke he is now turned Sectary Honourable Patriots give mee pardon for this digression in point of Method I aske none in point of matter Nor indeed is it so altogether improper here I am fully convinced it concerns you as nearly as the Text concerns you seeing you cannot harme Prophets more then by making the persecution of them legall which you must needs do if you make a Law to tolerate those wayes whose principles necessarily involve it I speake not for idle ignominious or scandalous Ministers that are called Ministers in opprobrium Ministerii such as drive the bloody trade of damning soules Away

Anti-ministeriall generation Mee thinkes 't is a sad thing Brethren that those Messengers of good tidings and This Interest was not so slighted as formerly Ambassadours of peace who not many yeares agoe you reverenced as Angels of God nay even received as Jesus Christ himselfe of whom every one was no lesse then a 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a Diana newly dropt from heaven in your eyes are now become the off-scowring of all things Antichristian Priests and I know not what else the tongues of Sectaries will create them That among all those that complaine of persecution the Ministers of the Gospel only though they most are yet are scarce thought capable of being persecuted That among so many Pleas for Toleration of every T is now thing the Ministeriall calling is only esteemed intolerable That every scurrilous Pamphleter dares make bold with our calling and Persons in Print and proclaime to the world to the disgrace of our Church Nation this news that in England in London the rarest Ministery in the Christian world is persecuted without controule by the pens of such mercenary Scriblers Aug. cant Cres Gram. lib. 3. Quid respondere possent non invenientes solito crebrius audacius Circumcellionum violentiis turbisque furentibus nos a praedicanda Catholicâ veritate suaque fallaciâ convincendá deterrere coeperunt that in divers places in the Kingdome a godly Minister except he can be so much sheep himself as to let his flock be worried before his eyes and say or do nothing can scarce preach without tumults or come abroad without threatnings that wee have reason enough to feare such usage from some of those sticklers for confusion in our times as the Father complaines of in his viz. That when they know not how to answer us they will terrifie or knocke us out of our Arguments when which God forbid their party is so far Master of the power of the Kingdome as to dare attempt it a feared it may be more And for my part if they come once to that passe I shal be sorry to take the liberty of Conscience they will then give me who now plead most for it themselves And I pray what is the cause of all this b The pretences for it Truly they will tel us they feare we will grow too high And why is this feared because we would faine have Church-power dispenced as it was in its first institution before there were Christian Magistrates Because we would faine keep c Examined and some reall grounds discored our Fatherly bowels and not be forced to use our people as the wicked Monke did King John to give them poyson in a Sacrament because wee desire to have the power of Stewards as we are in the house of God to see that none but our Masters Family dyet at our Masters Table And I feare in this particular he that feares a godly Minister would bee so high as to shut him out if he had such a power allowed him hath cause to suspect himselfe an Alien or a Dogge not fit for that Table and I am confident if some of the maine Whisperers of this jealousie had windows in their breasts it would be found their maine feare is either that they shall be rejected as too bad or else be enforced to become too good It may be too our maintenance troubles others who would be contented to share stakes with us to bring us lower But me thinks they might remember how they sped that said in another case Let us kill the heir that the Inheritance may be ours It may be others think the people will never be brought to worship the Calves in Dan and Bethel to relish illiterate and mechanicke Preachers and the lowest of the people will never passe for Priests till the Priests as they call them be made the lowest of the people And it may be another sort would faine bring the Ordinances of the Gospell to the judgement of their Law-benches where they would make a shift to set us by the eares and make us fee for our Sacraments as they do for our estates I beseech you consider especially you in whose hands it is This Interest pressed mainly upon Parliament members to encourage us or to persecute us by a law God calls to you this day and this charge is yours Do my Prophets no harme I dare not think you wil vote us or enact us into a suffering condion for preaching to you or praying for you But however I beseech you beware how you come under being interpreted to doe so by not forbidding them that would crushus and to their power do a Qui non v●tat pe●care cumpossit jubet I do not readily remember any but wicked Princes b Ahab Jeroboam Zedekiah Naz. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that Scripture records that suffered good Prophets to be abused before their faces Let me tell you freely the people are gone as far in harming Prophets as they dare goe without you Some will not heare them except they may prescribe to them The sheep as the Father observes it was an absurdity of his time feede their Shepheards Every one that hath the gift of Arrogance and Ignorance enough contrary to an Ordinance of your own takes a liberty of lawlesse prophesying and by that practice to al whose eyes a love of Anarchy hath not blinded prophesies the ruine of this flourishing Church State except your care timely prevent it And what scorn is everywhere cast by Sectaries of all sorts not only upon all the Ministery of this Kingdom in generall but upon an Assembly in which there is as much learning holinesse gravity as ever Europe I think could shevv in a like number of men and which sit by your Authority and therefore in equity ought to have your protection you need goe no farther for enquiry then the late wholsome discovery of the poyson of Aspes under the lips of many of them in the historicall part of Gangrena Vid Gangren 2d part 1 ecit page 155. 156. What threatning speeches have proceeded from some of them the true Image of their bloudy thoughts are they not written in the Records of him to whom vengeance belongeth The all-seeing God knows what arrows and swords they continually speake against the Prophets of the most High and we make no question will one day retort them into their own breasts Thus far they goe and farther they would proceed no question or else they strangely degenerate from their Grandsires of Munster if you would but sleep a little and let them play the Kings a while without controule But God forbid that they should ever proceed so far as to perswade you to enable or suffer them to act what they have in their thoughts against those without whom neither they nor your selves had ever had the common enemy at such a lift as God be blessed you now have I beseech you pardon me this Character and