none of them about these things these fourteen years and in these Meetings the Glory of God was seen and Fleeing in time of Persecution it was abhorred And as for their saying Some body spoke in Bristol Meeting after I was gone down I know nothing of that but I came down to Joan Hilyes and Friends were in the street and came to me there and I knew nothing but they all came down and if I had fled in time of Persecution I had not been in so many Goals and Prisons but might have kept out of them and yet this they say Iohn Story he hath born the heat of the day and George For he hath fled in time of Persecution G. F. I now come to make these following Observations on the words of his late Answer and former Testimony touching my Charge concerning him in his late Answer to my Charge he saith I remember I was sitting in a Meeting at Bristol when another was speaking and some Officers came up and took him away and when he was gone I kept the Meeting and none meddled with me Now let us compare this with the former Testimony which thus begins Whereas William Rogers hath falsly charged me that I should flee in time of Persecution c. and then proceeds thus saying As for the Meeting at Bristol there came no Souldiers or Officers whilst I was in the Meeting neither before nor after He that runs may read that George Fox in some cases doth not matter what he saith which by his own Rule witness his before-cited words in relation to Nathaniel Crips is the very Mark of that Spirit that made some like Devils By his former Testimony it also appears that there were some Friends at Edward Pyott's and that he bid them Go away that Edward Pyott's Son who I know was a Young Lad then accompanyed him through the Fields that when Dennis Hollister and Thomas Gouldney met him he bad them Walk by because many People were walking there and after that he met George Bishop whom likewise he bad Walk by and though at length he came to the Meeting and as is credibly reported by back and unusual Ways yet I find not one word positively testifying That he stayed in the Meeting until the Meeting broke up neither is it rational from his words to suppose that he thought the Meeting ought then to break up for if he had to what end did he ask this Question Why do Friends busle and make such a Throng since 't is certainly known that at the Breaking up of Meetings 't is usual to have a Throng and Busle and therefore comparing this with Testimonies that hereafter will follow viz. that G.F. should say Friends keep your Meetings keep your Meetings 't is rational to conclude that though G. F. designed to depart himself yet he thought it not meet that the Meeting should then break up and if so no doubt this in G. F. may as justly be termed Fleeing in time of Persecution as the like action pretended to be done by another may And to be very plain I no way doubt but that if a False Witness-Bearer had wrongfully said but thus much of John Story as G. F. hath said of himself there would not have wanted a G. F. or some of Party with him that would have scrupled to have said John Story had acted from that very Spirit which said Master save thy self And although all impartial and understanding Readers from what is already said may have a sense that G. F. hath Fled in time of Persecution if the Rule of himself or his Party be good in relation to their Pretence of John Story 's departing out of a Meeting yet for a further manifestation of what is now intended the following Certificates are cited WE do hereby declare that we were present at a certain Meeting held in Broad Mead within the City of Bristol on account of the Worship of God and that it was at a time when Persecution attended Friends in their Meeting and that at that Meeting George Fox stood up and spoke in the Meeting and after departed out of the Meeting at a Back-Pair of Stairs a very considerable time before the Meeting broke up and was not taken Prisoner that day and the ground of his Departure at that time we have cause to believe was to avoid being taken Prisoner Mary Gouldney Mary North. Ann Day To this Testimony I also can bear witness with this further Addition that after he stept down from the place he stood upon to speak and was departing some Friends were moving to go with him and he perceiving it as I took it said holding out his hand Keep your Meetings Keep your Meetings and accordingly the Meeting was held a considerable time longer after his Departure William James I Do remember on this Occasion aforesaid that George Fox did depart out of the Meeting aforesaid before the Meeting broke up or Friends departed and that at that time Friends were attended with Persecution and as he was departing he said to Friends to this Effect Keep your Meeting and I believe his so departing was to save himself from being taken by the Persecutors Nathaniel Day I Do on the Occasion aforesaid declare that I do remember that George Fox did depart out of the Meeting aforementioned a considerable time before the Meeting broke up or Friends departed and that at that time Friends were attended with Persecution I do also remember that my Uncle Dennis Hollister did acquaint me that George Fox did advise him to absent himself from Meetings in time of Persecution Samuel Hollister And now though it be not so immediately my concern to take notice of what he writes touching the Meeting at Ringwood as that at Bristol yet since he hath made mention thereof and that 't is as I take it the most he can speak in his own favour in relation to that Matter I think it needful to make some Observations thereon which are real Cause of Jealousie that G. F. was at that time led by such a Spirit as would have by him and many of Party with him been termed The Spirit that seeks to save Self had it but appeared in John Story The First thing I take notice of is these his Words There came ten or twelve Women from Pool who in Probability came with an Intention to come to a Meeting and yet by G. F's Relation they came five or six Hours before the Meeting was to begin whether this be probable I shall at present leave to the sense of others The Second thing I take Notice of is this G. F. walkt with a Young Man and then there came another Young Man this is Cause of Jealousie that G. F. had a shifting kind of design to take Young Men for his Companions even as he did Edward Pyott's Young Son Edward and bid some whom he calls Friends Go their VVay how good they were in G. F's esteem is a question because he tells us
so also in this is mistaken if he meanes that Circumstances of Times and places are the Ground of Christian forbearance which is manifest from what the Apostle saith Rom. 14.3 4. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not and let not him that eateth not Jadge him that eateth Who art thou that Judgest another man's Servant To his own Master he standeth or falleth which evidently shews that in as much as every one must answer for himself 't is fit every one should believe for himself and so practise without being imposed upon by others And this is the Ground of all Christian Forbearance and not Circumstances of Times and Places And though Page 65. R. B. saith That is accounted a doctrine of Devils which in another respect was Christian forbearance which I take him to assert from his observation on 1 Cor. 8. throughout and 1 Tim. 4.1 2 3. The latter Scripture tells us That commanding to abstain from Meats is a Doctrine of Devils that to the Corinths saith If Meats make my Brother to offend I will eat no flesh while the World standeth This doth not in any wise shew that a Command to abstain from Meats was at any time or in any respect Justifiable for if he would have this Assertion pass for Truth he ought to have proved not only that a Command to abstain from flesh was a Doctrine of Devils which that to Tymothy doth but also that such a Command was once Christian Forbearance but nothing of this latter appears nor yet can be proved from the Scriptures of Truth And as to the case of Circumcision R. B. saith 'T was permitted to the Jewes for a time To this I say we find that many of the believing Jewes were not come from under it and that those Jewes who saw beyond it did not condemn such their Brethren but we do not find that the Apostles as persons that had power to permit or not permit such a practice in the Church did approve of it in any of the Jewes or condemn the same in such as practised it until by Faith they saw beyond it for as on the one hand 't was not in their Commission to preach up Circumcision so on the other 't was not in their Power to be a Bond on any to forbear who through Faith were not first lead therefrom For though the Apostle saith Gal. 5.2 I Paul say unto you if ye be Circumcised Christ shall profit you nothing and Gal. 4.9 10 11. But now after ye have known God or rather are known of God how turn ye again to the Weak and Beggerly Eliments Ye observed Daies and Months c. I am afraid of you Yet this did not at that time condemn that Christian Liberty and Forbearance which the Apostle before approved in and with respect unto such as made Couscience of Circumcision and the Observing Daies for it plainly appears he spoke to a People who were redeemed out of those Beggerly Eliments and were come past those Rudiments which is evident by these his words how turn ye again And so he might well exhort such neither to Circumcise nor yet be in the Observation of Daies for that God doth not usually lead into those things which he hath led out of and this might well consist with the Truth even at such a time and season when others thorough a Conscientious Scruple might in a plea for both with respect to themselves be uncondemned These things considered and that also we find the Apostle exhorting the Churches not to be Judging one another with respect to things relating to Conscience there is great need for every one to watch against a Censorious Judging Spirit lest whilest any are Judging their Brethren they themselves become Castawayes Having in some Measure cleared my Conscience I have this further to add That 't is a blessed thing for Brethren to dwell together in Love and Unity yet this Love and Unity ought to consist in the Truth else the blessing is not I doubt not but there are many who are ready to conclude That an Universal Unity ought to be establish't in the Churches by the Assistance of outward Instruments that as we are Members of one Body so we may not only be one in Faith one in Doctrine but also one in Practice with relation to Discipline Order and Outward Formes of Government My soul should rejoyce to see that Day wherein we might all be so led by the appearance of Christ's Spirit in us under his Government which ought to be exalted over all as that this Oneness might thereby be witnessed amongst all the Families of Gods People at this Day But since it is so with the Church of God at this day as it was with the Church in the Primitive Dayes viz. that there are diversityes of Administrations and diversityes of Gifts Operations in the Body and yet thorough the same Spirit it behoves every one diligently to watch that we Judge not one another by reason of these differing exercises as if these things consisted not with the Unity of the Body And since also it is so that amongst the primitive Believers there were such as practiced Circumcision some made Conscience of keeping a Day and some that Absteyn'd from eating Flesh and others that did not and yet a Christian-Liberty and Forbearance was so exercised as that they were not to be Judging one another about these things and that we find not that these differing exercises in a Christian-Liberty did subject any of those Believers exercised therein to the Censure of being out of the Unity of the Body I therefere do reasonably conclude that the infallible Mark whereby any Member of the Body is known to be in true Unity with the Body doth not consist in Profession and Belief of certain Principles and Doctrines and Practices depending thereon nor yet in Obedience to the Measures of others but in the Circumcision of the heart and an Answer of a good Conscience towards God and that every Member keeps his own order Office and Place in the Body thorough his Obedience to the Measure and Gift of Grace in himself which he hath received from God to Profit withal The most infallible mark and token then of a Member in the true Unity with the Body of Christ is an inward invisible mark that cannot be stampt on any but by the impression of Gods Power on the heart and therefore is it that the outward endeavours of all such Christian Professors as have been and are in the Apostacy instead of attaining to an Heavenly Union in the Spirit have at most but arrived to an Outward Unity consisting in their Outward Conformities and Uniformities according to the Commands Traditions Decrees or Examples of Men. When in Ages and Generations past the Apostacy first entred as a Flood I am perswaded that all who have known the Truth and have had the Consideration and true Sense thereof upon their Spirits do conclude that the Cause thereof
and managed the same by his own and Families Labour having no more nor less Land than at first nor yet is his outward Estate added to or diminished from since that time to the Value of Twenty-Five Rounds to this Day He Travels often alone without a Companion but at all times without any Attendant as his proper Servant and contented with the meanest of Meats and Drinks that the Houses wherein he usually Lodged afforded His Conversation lowly and meek And takes not upon him to give forth an Outward Directory for the Children of Light to walk by nor yet was ever known to write to any That if they were in the Light and Power of God they would come to him when he sent for them As to G. F. He was a poor Shoe-maker and of mean Parentage having very little if any Outward Estate at all that never as we can understand set up his Trade but work't Journey-works For his Meanness he neither was nor is Despised as we know of for that cannot savour of a Christian Spirit Since his first Coming forth we never have understood that he hath Laboured with his Hands at his Lawful Calling or any other but are well satisfied that at teast for many Years past whether in Bonds or at Liberty he hath not Since his first Coming forth he hath marryed Judge Fell's Widdow of Lancashire When he Travels 't is certainly known he hath had such Attendance which considering the Work he is on may be termed Great as well as when resident in some Places and not on Travel and of late hath Travelled with a Man termed George Fox's Man And as to Enjoyment of Things that are Lawful in the Creation that may be termed Necessary for the Ease of the Body and Pleasure of the Palate it is certainly known that G. F. hath often freely made use thereof when to be had in a manifold larger Degree than John Wilkinson so far as we can understand ever did Moreover G. F. by a Letter written unto William Rogers dated Swarthmore the 14th of the 11th Month 1676. thus writes I tell thee Them that thou calls Accused are not Right for had they been Right and in the Light and Power of God as at the first they would have come to me when I sent for them that all those Things which have made such a Noise might have been fairly ended in the North and not have troubled any in the South Those whom William Rogers termed Accused are John Wilkinson and John Story and some of the Matters whereof John Story was Accused were Acted in the South and so no reason to come to G. F. or any to have them Judged in the North. We now query Whether G. F. is not hereby manifested to be a Man of so High and Losty a Spirit as to endeavour to Assume unto himself a Power to Judge of all Cases amongst Friends even from North to South and that such who will not come unto him at Swarthmore in Lancashire for that end when he sends for them are not lyable to be Censured to be wrong and departed from the Light and Power of God Which being compared with what is written in a Marginal-Note in the ‖ Meaning the afore-said Manuscript Ninth Section gives us occasion to query Whether there be not just Cause to conclude or at least to be Jealous That G. F. looks upon himself Invested with Power to Judge all Causes amongst the Children of Light in this Day as Moses was amongst the Children of Israel in his Day Lofty Spirit of his Making a Jumble he brings forth nothing Convincingly to manifest the same So those Evil Qualifications fall to the Ground But yet G. F's Letter evidently shews that 't was his own State when he writ his afore-said Letter For had he not been of a High and Lofty Spirit he would not have reflected on them several times as not loving the Gospel of Peace because they came not to him especially since 't was not evident to their Consciences that he was free from having a Hand in the Occasion of that Strife touching which he would have had them come to him The End whereof was as we suppose that they might have submitted to his Sentence or Judgment therein Besides if he accounted them gone astray Why did he not act the Part of a Good Shepherd according to the Parable Leaving the Ninety Nine to seek that which was Lost and seek after them that so if such as he esteemed them to be they might be again Restored Had he so done it would have denoted more his Humility and Tenderness than his bare saying as in his Letter he doth Poor Men and People For my part I pitty you I am sorry for you And yet in the same Letter threatens them That their Failings Sins and Transgressions without their Repentance will he Recorded Which Threatning seems very unbecoming him not only because he hath never manifested his Readiness to Condemn his own Transgressions or to Assent to their Recording though they are very Notorious as in this Treatise is largely manifested but also because he seems to allow unto them Liberty to continue therein Else Why should he use in the said Letter such an Expression as this If Thou and You have such a Love to them you may keep them meaning their Sins as the fore-going Words plainly shew Which being but duly considered together with what hereafter follows of the other Parts of his Letter he hath made to use his own Language such a Jumble as in Reason we cannot take him if it be just to measure his Meaning by his Words heartily to desire their Repentance if so fallen as he took them to be nor yet that he was free from the Characters he assigns to John VVilkinson viz. An Angry Disquieted Froward Peevish Fretful Malicious Spirit when he brought forth his said Letter so full of Impertinencies invective Expressions undeservedly and remote from the Matter which in a Tender and Christian Spirit was his due to have kept unto that so far as he was Capable he might have removed Stumbling-Blocks out of their way and not have added a New Occasion of Offence as if he above all the rest of the Sons of Men was Priviledged to cast Stumbling-Blocks before God's People and yet not be accountable for such Unchristian-like Actions unto Christ our Lord and Master who said Wo unto him by whom Offences come As to the Second Particular viz. That G. F. might clear himself that he approves of no Force about Religion but the Force and Effect of the Word delivered we say That G. F. hath not writ one word in all his large Reply to satisfy Friends in that Particular which doubtless he would have done if he could have said any thing that might have cleared that Matter to the Satisfaction of such Friends as were wise in the Wisdom that 's from Above as well as what he hath so largely done for the Sakes of the Simple
Eminently concerned in the Division threatned should be the Anvil to beat upon and interceded that we would forbear making mention of the Names of Persons reflected on To this the Answer was That it seemed unlikely to bring forth a Credible History touching Religious Differences without naming the Authors of Books Papers and Names of Persons reflected on evidencing the Reality of such Principles Doctrines and Practices which occasioned Disunion and Separation amongst some of the aforesaid People However Truth obliged us to have a Tender Regard unto those who came unto us in Brotherly Love and for the Sakes of such our Desires have been that the Lord might permit us to Bear Forbear and Suffer having a secret Hope that the Lord might make such Instruments in his Hand by a Tender and Brotherly Mediation to cause the High and Lofty to bow to Truth and Righteousness that so the Government of Christ might be exalted in every Heart where his Law is written and that none who make mention of his Name might conclude themselves entred into an Heavenly Possession or Inheritance because of a Strict Observance of some Outward written Order prescribed by Man After we had long born it then more particularly became my Concern to prepare another Manuscript and that chiefly out of the Second Part of what was first prepared in relation to divers Persons concerned in the Divisions to discover that one Man George For guilty of many Things reproachful to the Truth and that because it was and yet is clearly manifested unto me and as I have understood many others that that ONE PERSON hath been the very Chief Instrument or at least an Abettor of such as have whereby a Biting Devouring Spirit is entred in amongst the Flock and yet great Part of the Contention of one Party with another seems to be but about the Shell and not the Kernel My Meaning thereby is about Outward Forms and Methods relating to Marriages Relief of the Poor c. as if Hells Gates must be opened to receive all such as walk not in that Outward Path which in Relation thereto hath been prescribed by that ONE MAN Moreover 'T is observable that before I undertook to prepare the Manuscript relating to that ONE MAN I writ unto him Seven Letters Dated as followeth viz. the 27th of the 1st Moneth 1677. the 3d. of the 10th Moneth 1677. the 4th of the 11th Moneth 1678. the 11th of the 11th Moneth 1678. one other on the same Day signed by Thomas Gouldeny William Forde and My Self one other the 22th of the 2d Moneth 1679. signed by My Self and Three other Friends directed to Him and two Others and one other from My Self only Dated the 6th of the 12th Moneth 1679. manifesting the Ground of my Dissatisfaction with relation to many Things of a Publick Concern amongst Friends as well as Personal Injury which became him to clear or else give Satisfaction And yet to this Day being the 16th Day of the 6th Moneth 1680. I cannot in Truth say That any Answer is come from him to me notwithstanding Messengers were sent unto him on purpose with several of them and Advice given me of the Delivery And though a Paper came once to my Hand in which Mention is made of Two of the said Letters yet I cannot take it to be his Answer but rather as by the Language thereof appears the Answer of another on his behalf and chiefly stuff'd with Queries so that my Concern to expect Satisfaction or Detect him is encreas'd At length when I perceived 't was not probable to obtain what I expected from him by making manifest my Burthen and Exercise either to Him or One or Two whom I supposed he might esteem to be of the Church nor yet from the General Meeting though as I suppose they are esteemed by some though not by all the Representatives of the Church in general I then for the Sakes of many Brethren Travelled in several Parts of the Nation manifesting that according to the Understanding given me of God I had proceeded toward that ONE PERSON G. F. in a Gospel-Method and that if I then should have proceeded to Print against him nothing could be justly laid to my Charge for want of Orderly Proceeding to obtain Satisfaction which hitherto was not given me But yet my Condescension to my Brethren was such as that though the Manuscript relating to him was prepared I very publickly proposed in Writing under my Hand and spread the same abroad directed to Friends in several Counties signifying that if any one of them were free to write unto that ONE PERSON or at least to give this Testimony under their or any of their Hands that since I Charge him to be Guilty of Things reproachful to the Truth 'T is but Just and Reasonable that he should submit to a Hearing thereof before Friends in Truth to the end that if Guilty he may Condemn the same if not he may be Justifyed and I Condemned for Accusing wrongfully I should then forbear Printing against him until such time I should send such a Letter or Testimony unto the Place of his Habitation And if he should be pleased to give Answer thereto on Request to him to be made by the Messenger that should go therewith then my Purpose was as I then declared to Communicate such Answer to Friends that so we might consider further what might be agreeable to Truth to be done on this Occasion One Part of my End in thus doing was To discover whether there be such an Erroneous Principle in any so to stand by a Man charged to be guilty of Things reproachful to the Truth as that he must be exempted though Guilty from the Stroke of that Justice which in the like Cases of Guilt he hath prescribed for others For though the Apostle testifyed That Charity suffereth long beareth and endureth all things yet his Meaning was not that any Member of the Church of Christ of what Degree soever should not be treated withal when over-taken in a Fault else the same Apostle would not have given these Testimonies Gal. 6.5 Every Man shall bear his own Burthen Col. 3.25 He that doth Wrong shall receive for the Wrong which he hath done and there is no Respect of Persons Besides 't is observable from the Scriptures of Truth Rev. 2.2 that 'T was Praise-worthy not to bear Lyars though they might say they were Apostles I now come to inform the Reader that the ensuing Treatise is for the most part Collected out of the Manuscript first made mention of But yet with the Omission of some Marginal Memorials directing the Reader to the several Sections of the Second Part of the said Manuscript that so from Matter of Fact therein contained the Truth of Reflections made and the Reasonableness of Objections raised and that from the Books Writings or Practices of some particular Person or Persons reputed of the People called Quakers might be proved And therefore since it is not thought fit
for the Reasons mentioned in this Preface to Publish the Second Part of the said Manuscript we instead thereof for the Satisfaction of all Friends do declare That 't is ready for the View of any Friend in order to prove the Reasonableness of the Reflections made or Objections raised Having thus premised I now come again to lay down the Three before-mentioned Queries and to give direct Answers thereto Quer. 1. Why hast thou omitted to mention the Names of some Persons and Authors of some Books and Papers reflected on in this Treatise Answ Though I have been reflected upon at an Ungodly Rate by many because I have been concerned to oppose an Erroneous and Persecuting Spirit which I have beheld entring amongst the Flock of God yet Blessed be the Lord he hath so preserved me by the Arm of his Power as that none of my Opposers have so far as I know laid any thing unto my Charge but for Matters wherein I have acted though misrepresented by them to keep a Conscience voyd of Offence towards God And as it became my Concern of Conscience to prepare the Manuscript first mentioned that so the Truth of some Material Matters occasioning or accompanying Division and Separation amongst the People called Quakers might lye on Record at least Vntil an Vnion might again be witnessed So also it hath been my frequent Breathing unto the Lord That I might not bring forth an Vntimely Birth but might so be led and guided in this Affair as that I might Answer the Witness of God in all Consciences And to my inward Peace and Joy in the Lord I can say That I have the Evidence of his Spirit notwithstanding what any Man may say to the contrary that he hath owned my Proceeding therein hitherto And not only so but that there hath been an Answer thereto in many Brethren And as I was seriously waiting on the Lord I became satisfied in my Conscience to forbear reflectingly to mention in this Treatise the Names of many reputed Quakers that as yet I doubt remain deviated in some things from the Line of Truth And I hoped such a Spirit of Mediation and Justice would have appeared amongst some of our Friends who would not be understood to be concerned in the Difference between others as that they might have been a Means to cause G. F. to stoop so timely to Justice as that there might have been no Concern upon me and others to discover any Part of his Errors so publickly as now they are The Considerations occurring in my Breast when I became so satisfied as aforesaid were these First Several of my Brethren as before is premised interceded to forbear and if for my thus doing any should reflect upon me they might as well reflect upon the Apostle's Counsel when he exhorted the Ephesians To submit themselves one unto another in the Fear of God For I was sensible that those who so concerned themselves had a true Sense that the Cause wherein I was concerned was the Cause of Truth On which Foot their Treatment of me was in much Love and Tenderness and forasmuch as I perceived they were not without hope that a little longer Forbearance might work for the better I became satisfied 't was my Place to submit and forbear a while Secondly Though Hardness of Heart hath so overtaken some as that they may still continue to oppose their Brethren in the Truth without the least just Ground or Pretence either from the Light of Christ within the Scriptures of Truth or Right Reason yet I am not without hope that some others concerned against their Brethren in the present Differences may in some time come to a Sense of their Failings and Repent and then either the Memory of their Offence may be blotted out or their Repentance therewith if timely known recorded and that according as Opportunity may permit and Truth require Thirdly 'T is hoped that this Treatise may become a Warning to many but more especially to such as have departed from the Anointing in themselves that they may Repent and turn to their First Love viz. The Appearance of Christ by his Light in them and not in neglect of God's Teachings lye doting on Outward Orders As if that which was promised to be written in the Heart were now to be sought after in Pieces and Scraps of Paper or that the Written Orders of any at this Day should become a Certain Rule through which a Heavenly Possession may be obtained by such as could not own the Scriptures themselves though by the Spirit given forth to be that Certain Rule but instead thereof the Spirit it self to be it And if any think themselves hereby reflected on unjustly because at some Times they have appeared of another Language yet if such by their Fruits have given the Lye to the Offering of their Lips the Deceit is the greater and more worthy to be discovered Fourthly This Treatise is chiefly intended for the Service of the People called Quakers amongst whom the Religious Differences are so publickly known as that I have no Cause to doubt but that the Matters treated on will be intelligible by them though the Names of some Persons and Authors of some Books and Papers be not mentioned However if any amongst them for want of that Publick Converse which others have had shall manifest the least Jealousie that there is no Reason so to Object or Reflect as in the ensuing Treatise I shall then be ready to give unto such particular Satisfaction from Matter of Fact relating to Person or Persons And forasmuch as it was not possible that all Papers and Books which may evidence the Reasonableness of all Objections and Reflections could lye at once in many Hands and are for the most part with me therefore this Treatise is Signed thus By William Rogers on Behalf of himself and other Friends in Truth concerned And so the Names of those others my Brethren concerned with me in this Work are omitted partly because they might not be capable to give a ready and satisfactory Answer for want of the Books or Papers signified of as aforesaid Quer. 2. Why hast thou treated on Principles held forth by the People called Quakers since many Books have already been given forth by some amongst them treating on many if not all of those Things which thou hast done Answ 'T is the Duty of all Christians to clear their Consciences as by the Light of Christ in their Consciences they are directed which doubtless was the Real Ground whereupon many Antient and Honourable Friends already fallen asleep have given forth their Testimony touching the same Principles publickly held forth both by Word and Printing by some other Servants of the Lord before them And if no more were said to this Query it ought to suffice But yet for the Sakes of some I shall lay down the Considerations attending me when I became Conscientiously concerned so to do The Deportment of some Vnruly Women and Ignorant Self-conceited
Spiritual Guide and Teacher which is infailible and cannot be removed into a Corner with confidence then may we conclude that none such will ever more boast of the possession which they have taken as Heirs of the Gospel with respect to things that are without Secondly As to this part of the aforesaid Objection viz. that nothing but Dryness Deadness and Barrenness appears in those who are opposed by such with whom thou art at Unity we say This seems not strange unto us for the Apostle thus Testifies We are unto God a sweet Savour of Christ in them that are saved and in them that perish to the one we are the Savour of Death unto Death and to the other the Savour of Life unto Life This give us occasion to put every one that has or may Judge the sound form of words to be Deadness Dryness Barrenness especially when Springing from such whom thou hast known to be in the Life upon this search is not the reason thereof because I am watching for evil and have let in a Spirit of Prejudice believing an evil Report when perhaps it may not be Truth If this be thy State we must plainly tell thee they are the very Tokens of a Perishing Condition and then though it be the Word of Life that is Preached yet it can be no other according to the Testimony of the Apostle but the Savour of Death unto thee Besides we have this further Observation to make that some at least of those thus Testified against as Dead Dry and Barren are chiefly such unto whom God hath given a Portion of Understanding above many of their Brethren and have and yet do as far as ever we know appear Sound in Doctrine and as blameless in Life and Conversation as any friends we have ever known and so cannot run with the Current of the Times we desire therefore that every one of the Opposers of or Judges over such will yet more thoroughly search their own Consciences and in a Godly Jealousy over themselves put these queries unto their own hearts and try things in the equal ballance Have not I many times heard Unsound Doctrines and beheld Disorder and Confusion brought forth even in Publick Meetings for worship by those who cry against Dark Seperate Spirits and yet not been a Reproof thereto Concluding notwithstanding that there did a Freshness and Life appear Have not I been often affected with an Outward Tone and strength of Lungs when there hath been little to the Information and Building up one another in the most Holy Faith Have not I been better Contented to hear a Thundering kind of Voice Crying out against a Seperate Spirit though without Distinction when not a word was spoken to shew the Way to the Kingdom than to hear the Way of Eternal Life Plainly Demonstrated by a soft and moderate Voice We know there is great cause for many to put these questions to their Consciences and to be cool in Spirit that so they may have an Answer from the Lord whose appearance is not in the strong winds but in the still Voice SECT IV. An Answer to the Third Position deducible from an Objection raised toward the Conclusion of the first Section viz. That 't is Folly and Hipocrisy to profess our selves Members of the True Church and yet not Believe thus as the True Church Believes TO this we say we are altogether dissatisfied especially when we consider what a Body of darkness hath entered under the Belief of this Position we must believe as the Church believes amongst the Professors of Christianity in Ages past as well as at this present Day that such Language can become the mouth or pen of any one that professeth not only Faith in Christ but also that such his Faith is grounded upon the Inward Manifestation and Revelation of Gods Spirit in himself mark we say in himself Those who are accounted Apostate Christians have from such Assemblies which they call their Church set forth their Creeds by which it may be known what the Members of their Church do and ought to Believe and since 't is so that no Person is able to make out that ever any Assembly under the Notion of the true Church amongst the People called Quakers have published their Creed by which we mean a certain number of Articles of Faith recommending them as those things which every Member of the true Church ought to believe or else not be accounted a Member of the true Church we cannot account it unreasonable if any one that liketh not the Language touching Believing as the true Church Believes should ask the Publisher thereof this Question Hast thou not spoken this with respect to the People called Quakers as those whom thou accountest the True Church And if so is it not folly to talk of believing as this Church believes when no assembly under the notion of this Church have to this day declared and published their Creed for the ends aforesaid Nay may it not further be said we know how Papists and Protestants describe their Church but at the day wherein that which occasions this present discourse was given forth it was not discovered by any reputed Quakers publickly in Print that we know of who or were the true Church is with respect to visible persons more than what is to this effect given forth by the Author occasioning this present discourse viz. That the People called Quakers are the Church Wherein we do not take his meaning to be that all called Quakers were the Church of God but the Elect amongst them for he also saith The Church signifies the Elect and so the Reader is left without any certain Description who or where this Church is with respect to visible Persons since the Elect amongst them are not outwardly described For the clearing of the Truth and the opening of the Understandings of such as may be muddled about this matter 't is with us thus to Testifie 'T is well known that it pleased the Lord to reach unto many of our Consciences at the beginning of this latter Day that hath dawned amongst us whereby we came to Believe in the Everlasting Light of the Lord and as others held forth the Visible Orders and Written Faiths of a Visible Church to be as a Lanthorn to their Paths and as a Ground of their Faith so this Light of Christ was preach't up as a Lanthorn to our Paths and as the Ground of our Faith and then as our Understandings came to be more and more opened we clearly saw that as other Churches had outward Marks and Tokens whereby a man might manifest himself to be a Member of their Church when received into Society with their Church so we who had Believed in the Light of our Lord Jesus Christ and had the Evidence in our selves that we were of the true Brotherhood and Members of Christ's Body were at a loss infallibly to manifest unto others by any Outward Marks or Tokens that we were in
they are though under ever so specious Pretences that have indeavoured to Establish Outward indispensible Rules and Orders in matters relating to Conscience for the Church of Christ in this Gospel Day to Walk by neglecting to commit and Commend every one unto the Word nigh in the heart that thereby they may be preserved from subjection to any thing outwardly ordained which they may either scruple in Conscience or are not led by the Word nigh in the Heart to Practise are such as in the best and most Fovourable Construction act from Zeale without Knowledge in which kind of Zeal Paul himself Phil. 3.6 though as to the Righteousness of the Law blameless yet Persecuted the Church This kind of Zeal is accompanied with that Ignorance which the chief amongst Apostatized Churches have accounted the Mother of Devotion by which Thousands in Ages past in the Dark Night of Apostacy have been led into the Observation of many Unsavoury Dictates Erroneous Decrees Unwarrantable Traditions and Superstitious Examples either of one Man or assemblies of men not knowing what they have either believed or Practised to be an incumbent duty upon them through an inward evidence from Gods Witness in their Consciences or Tryal thereof by the Light of Christ May not the same Cloud of Darkness overshadow any of the Children of Light in this our day saith our Souls Moreover 't is observable that if Report be true this doctrine hath of late been exalted NO UNITY BUT IN CONFORMITY which if applyed to the Outward Prescriptions of one Man or Assemblies of men assuming to themselves authority to act and determin in matters appertaining to the Gospel and its Order thereby to become a Bond upon the Consciences of those who have Believed in the Everlasting Light of Christ Jesus as the great Order and Ordinance of God in this Gospel Day may occasion the Continuation of Discord Distraction and Division contrary to the Gospel and Doctrine of Truth which hath been publisht received and believed amongst the Children of Light in these latter days who neither have nor can receive any Doctrine contrary to this Testimony of the Apostle 2 Cor. 3.6 The Letter Killeth but the Spirit giveth Life We now appeal unto every understanding ingenious and impartial Reader whether since the Labour of the Apostles of Christ in the primitive dayes was to draw the Outward Jew off from the observation of these ordinances which were realy established by the appointment of God himself having exalted instead thereof the word nigh in the heart and Law written therein as a fulfilling of that which according to the Word of the Lord by the mouth of his Prophet was to come to pass under the new Covenant which was not to be like unto the Old can consist with the tenour of the new Covenant for any to attempt the establishment or giving forth of Outward Orders Prescriptions Sentences or Decrees to be on that foot a Bond upon the Consciences of those who have believed in the Everlasting Light Especially if they are of the Gentile Stock according to the Flesh unto whom the Law appertained not for so the People of England are and if not whether those who are otherwise perswaded and according to such a perswasion may be found acting may not though under the Outward Profession of Truth it self justly be numbered amongst those of whom in the best sense it may be said They have Zeal without Knowledge and Ignorance is the Mother of their Devotion And now as to those who have Knowledge without Zeal Charity doth not Oblige us to conclude that such in that state chiefly design to live well that so they may dye well for as Christ said so may we Luk. 12.48 Unto whomsoever Much is given of him shall be Much required the want of Zeal in a known Good Cause is as we take it the neglect of a Known Incumbent Duty wherein God hath given Power else how could it have been said to the Luke-Warm Church of Laodicea after an understanding was given unto her how she might come to see viz. by anointing her eyes with Eye Salve Lev. 3.19 be Zealous amend for doubtless Power was given of God into her to amend as well as direction how to see but of the want of Knowledge it cannot be so said as of the want of Zeal Because 't is not equally in our Powers to attain unto Knowledge when we want it as it is Zealously to Practise what we know to be our duty we may therefore conclude that where Knowledge is not accompanyed with Zeal though requisite t is in the best sense a token of a Luke-warm Spirit and in some where it hath predominated we have clearly discerned that first they have been over-awed by the Frowns of man or men and then under the Pretence of bearing all things neglect to give their Testimony for the Truth without respect to any Person whatsoever more than the Truth might require and by this means some have undoubtedly been the occasion whereby many have been caught in the Snare of the Evil one not Knowing through a Neglect of their Inward Teacher which way to turn and that Loads and Burthens have been the Portions of others who whil'st they have kept Stedfast unto the antient Doctrine Exalting the appearance of Christ by his Light to be our Law Rule and Guide have beheld some of their Brethren not only captivated with a kind of a slavish Fear but also in their Practices receeded from what their first Principle would have led them to having used politick Contrivances to retain the Favour and Affections of some who perhaps in their View have appeared to be like unto the rising Sun and so have given more way to a Temporizing Spirit than to acquit themselves as Good Christians in the sight of God by which the Conscience comes to be kept voyd of offence towards God and Man and all this as with respect to some 't is doubted for fear lest they should be termed Sect-masters by such as in this Gospel-day have assumed a Pretended Authority to establish Outward Orders to be a Rule for and Bond upon the Children of Light to walk by without any exception thereby to avoid oppressing a tender Conscience But this is far wide of that Zeal which accompanyed the Apostle Paul in his Converted State who was termed a Ringleader of the Sect of the Nazerenes by the Unbelieving Jews that would have Judged him according to their Law which undoubtedly would then have inflicted Severe Punishment on him which being duly considered we may well say 't is far wide of Pauls Zeal to fear under this gospel-Gospel-day the Title of a Sect-Master on the score of refusing Outward Conformity to Outward Rules and Orders relating to the Conscience under the Notion of Gospel-Orders establisht amongst the People called Quakers not only Because they have no Law whereby corporally to Punish but also because we have no Ground either from the Word of the Lord by the
all men that I might by all means save some and this I do for the Gospel sake But to return 'T is evident that John testified concerning Christ and himself on this wise Joh. 3.30 He must increase but I must decrease which if the whole scope of the Scriptures relating to Baptism be considered seems clearly to hint that therein John spoke not with respect to his Person but that administration of Water-Baptism whereof he was a Minister Moreover we find the Apostle Paul testifying 1 Cor. 1.14 15 17. I thank God I baptised none of you but Crispus and Gaius lest any should say I have baptised in my own Name and I baptised also the house of Stephanus Besides I know not whether I baptised any other for Christ sent me not to baptise but to preach the Gospel Which being compared with what he writes unto the Ephesians Eph. 4.4 5 6. There is one Body one Spirit even as ye are called in one Hope of your Calling one Lord one Faith one Baptism one God and Father of all And with what he writes to the Colossians where Circumcision is equallised with Baptism Col. 2.11 12. its clear to every enlightned eye that Paul was by the Spirit led to Exalt One Only Baptism which doubtless was the Baptism of the Spirit unto which he gave Testimony when he writ to the Corinthians on this wise 1 Cor. 12.13 For by one spirit are we all baptised into one Body whether we be Jews or Gentiles whether we be Bond or Free and have been all made to drink into one Spirit More might be written on this Subject from the Scriptures of Truth to evidence the matter intended but at present we shall forbear further to enlarge thereon CHAP. X. Touching the Supper of the Lord with his Disciples the night before he was betrayed FOrasmuch as the Children of Light amongst those called Quakers have been reputed Apostutised from the true Faith and Disowners of Gospel Ordinances not only because since they have believed in the sufficiency of God's Grace given by God and inwardly received by them they have not been found in the Outward Practices of VVater Baptism of which in the last Chapter we have already treated but also for that they as the Church of Christ are not principled to meet together at some certain appointed times and seasons to break Bread and drink Wine as that which according to the reputed institution of Christ they ought to do in a more solemn manner than at other times and then term such their eating and drinking the Sacrament of the Lord's Supper or Communion and Participation of the Body and Blood of Christ It is therefore thought meet at this time to treat somewhat on this Subject evidencing that the Doctrine published by Christ at his Last Supper is owned by us and in order thereunto 't is thus observed when the Disciples of Christ the Night before he was betrayed were eating the Passover with him the Evangelist thus declares Luk. 22.19 20. And he took Bread and gave thanks and brake it and gave unto them saying This is my Body which is given for you this do in remembrance of me Likewise also the Cup after Supper saying This Cup is the New Testament in my Blood which is shed for you The aforesaid words This do in remembrance of me is the only sentence spoken by Christ whereof the Scripture makes mention whereby the institution of the Sacrament of the Lord's Supper so called may be pretended to be proved from which words it naturally follows that Christ's Disciples were to do something which he then did which undoubtedly was to give Thanks and break Bread in remembrance of him and according to this Command we believe 't is the duty of every Christian both in Eating and Drinking to receive the same with thankful hearts and to be not only at such times and seasons but at other times also in the remembrance of the Benefits whereof the faithful are Partakers through the death of Christ and those who thus believe and thus practise which the faithful People of God amongst those called Quakers do own the Doctrine of Christ at his Last Supper and if we said no more we have said enough to evidence what we have undertaken to do viz. That the Doctrine publish'd by Christ at his last Supper is owned by us But since it is so that divers places of Scriptures have been taken by many professing Christianity to signifie that the primitive Christians were found in the practice of administring and receiving the Sacrament of the Supper so called 't is further signified what may be pretended to be said in favour thereof after Christ ascended Acts 2. it appears that after the pouring forth of the Holy Ghost Peter stood up and preached unto the Jews at which Sermon there were added unto the Church about three thousand touching whom verse the 42. 't is thus said And they continued stedfastly in the Apostles Doctrine and Fellowship and in Breaking of Bread and in Prayers No doubt but this is taken for a manifest Proof of the use of the Sacrament of the Supper so called as practised by the Professors of Christianity at this day but whether on sufficient ground is now the question for our parts we testifie it appears groundless to us for verse the 44th 't is said All that believed were together and had all things common and verse the 46th thus And they continuing daily with one accord in the Temple and breaking Bread from house to house did eat their own meat with gladness and singleness of heart praising God These Scriptures being duely weighed clearly manifest that as often as they did cat they had all things common and praised God and that here 's no ground to believe that the daily Breaking of Bread there spoken of had a relation to daily solemn appointed Meetings wherein the Apostles did take bread bless break it and distribute it under the notion of a Sign unto them that they were made Partakers of the Body of Christ whereby the Soul is nourished but rather that at those Opportunities their outward Bodies and Hunger were refreshed and satisfied which in the Apostle Paul's sense was not eating of the Lord's Supper as is manifest 1 Cor. 11.20 21 22 33 34. Moreover if we do but compare the aforesaid Scriptures Acts 2.42 46. with what is written Acts 6. from the beginning to the 7th verse 't is rational to conclude that in their daily breaking bread from house to house no other Institution Ordinance or Sacrament was hinted at than what was neglected toward the Grecian widows mentioned Acts 6.1 which Neglect occasioned a choice of seven Deacons because 't was not judged reasonable that the Apostles should leave the Word of God and serve Tables which service there hinted at was doubtless a Ministration of Outward Food for the nourishment of the Outward Man and not the nourishment of the soul Acts 20.7
accounted Crucifyers of the Son of God afresh and Putters of him to open Shame read Heb. 6.5 6. And though we have repeated the 23 24 25. Verses yet they being chiefly a Repetition of the Words of Christ already spoken to in this Chapter we shall say the less thereto and at present take notice only of these words therein contained viz. This do in Remembrance of me Had these Words been omitted by Luke as they are by Mathew and Mark on the same Occasion there would be no Pretence from the Scriptures of Truth to call Christ's Breaking of Bread at his Last Supper an Ordinance of Christ to continue for-ever Moreover 't is worthy our Observation That John the Evangelist wholly omits that Narration given by Mathew Mark and Luke John 13. from whence the Sacrament of the Supper so called is contended for more than to say He riseth from Supper and yet doth expresly unto his Disciples after Supper was ended thus say 4.13 14 15. Ye call Me Master and Lord and ye do well for so I am if I then your Lord and Master have washed your Feet ye ought also to wash one anothers Feet for I have given you an Example that you should do as I have done to you These Things being the Things of God ought to be weighed John 5. and pondered by his Spirit and those who so do will clearly discern that Christ by that Outward Action of washing the Disciples Feet did not only shew unto his Disciples a Pattern of Humility and an Example of Readiness to serve one another in Love but also to figure forth unto them the Necessity of being Washed Cleansed and Purifyed in the Inward Man and that Otherwise there is no having a Part in Christ and this is clearly signifyed in the Words of Christ unto Peter Then cometh he to Simon Peter John 13.6 7. and Peter saith unto him Lord Dost thou wash my Feet Jesus answered and said What I do thou knowest not now but thou shalt know hereafter Which clearly shews that there was a Spiritual Signification hinted at by Christ's Outward Washing for that Peter did know his Outward Washing and therefore said Verse 8. Thou shalt never wash my Feet Whereupon Jesus answered him thus If I wash thee not Thou hast no Part in me All which being duly weighed it appears that there is as much Ground at this Day from the Scripture of Truth to practise the Washing of one anothers Feet and call such a Practice a Sacrament to figure forth the Blood of Christ in which the Sins of those who are quickned unto God are washed away as the Eating of Bread and Drinking of Wine in Imitation of what was Practised or Commanded by Christ the Night before he was Betrayed may And now on the Behalf of our Selves and all the Children of Light amongst those called Quakers may it at this Day be said That though we are not found in that Outward Practice of Washing one anothers Feet as a Religious Exercise after that Outward Example which was given by Christ unto his Disciples the Night before he was Betrayed and enjoyned as their Duty nor yet are found in the Practice of Appointing certain Times and Seasons on purpose to eat Bread and drink Wine as that which we ought Religiously to do in a more solemn Manner than at other times Yet we can boldly say Christ our Lord and Master speaks no more Condemnation unto us as Persons in that respect neglecting any thing that he hath instituted for us to practise than he doth to many Elders of the Church at this Day who Visiting the Sick neglect to anoint with Oyl in the Name of the Lord and to others who being of the Gentile-Stock according to the Flesh Do not abstain from eating Blood and yet in neither of these respects Condemned though expresly Exhorted to by the Apostle read Acts 15.20 James 5.14 Moreover it is to be considered that though the Sacrament of the Lord's Supper so called is by some reputed to be Instituted by Christ Exod. 12.13 in the Room of the Passover and to continue as an Ordinance forever Heb. 9.10 14. even as Water-Baptism is taken to be Instituted in the room of Circumcision yet both are groundless For though the Scripture Testifies That the Feast of the Passover was to be kept by an Ordinance forever yet when the Time of Reformation came it ended even as all those Outward Services and Ordinances which stood only in Meats and Drinks and divers Washings and Carnal Ordinances imposed until the Time of Reformation did Now forasmuch as the Time of Reformation was the Time wherein Christ through the Eternal Spirit offered himself without Spot unto God we query Whether after this Time of Reformation it can be consisting with the Spirit of Truth for any one to impose upon the People of the Lord or for the People of the Lord though not imposed upon to practise such Ordinances as consist in Outward Meats Drinks and Washings as the Ordinances of Baptism and Sacrament of the Supper so called do as needful in order to the Salvation of Mankind Since not only the Author to the Hebrews testifies That the like Ordinances under the First Covenant had an End when the Law was changed but that Paul likewise exhorts against the Use of Ordinances after the Commandement and Doctrines of Men as is largely declared to the Colossians Chapt. 2.8 14 16. to the End And Whether the Introducing thereof at this Day is not a Building again the Things that have been according to the Doctrine of Truth rejected To conclude This is the Testimony of Truth that is with us to give on this Occasion That we are not at this Day convinced in our Consciences That there is any better Ground for the Practice of Water-Baptism and Breaking of Outward Bread as Ordinances under the Dispensation of the Gospel in this our Day than the Commandments and Doctrines of Men but yet are Witnesses that Christ is come in Spirit unto the Children of Light and that at the Hearing of his Voice they have opened the Door of their Hearts Col. 3.1 whereby they have Supped with him and he with them according to this Testimony Revel 3.20 If any Man hear my Voice and open the Door I will come in to him and will Sup with him and he with me and so these being Risen with Christ seek those Things which are above Rom. 14.17 knowing that the Kingdom of God consists not in Meats and in Drinks but in Righteousness Peace and Joy in the Holy-Ghost And therefore having received an Earnest of that Life which is Eternal through Faith in the Blood of Christ who was offered up a Sacrifice unto God for the Redemption of Mankind do inwardly feel the Benefit of that Offering and so being sensible Heb. 9 10. Chapters that the Flesh profiteth nothing are made Partakers of that Quickning Spirit which was signifyed by Christ
John 6.53 when he said Except ye eat of the Flesh of the Son of Man and Drink his Blood you have no Life in you For though Christ so said yet he did not intend that there could be a Profiting as to the Growth of the Inward Man by Eating outward Flesh no more than the Children of Light do at this Day believe that the Eating of the Outward Bread can nourish the Immortal Soul Joh. 6.63 And therefore Christ said It is the Spirit that quickneth the Flesh profiteth nothing CHAP. XI Touching Justification and Salvation through Faith in Christ WHat the Scripture saith touching Justification and Salvation we own viz. Rom. 8.30 That the Called of God are Justifyed and that This Justification is freely by his Grace through the Redemption Rom. 3.24 25. that is in Jesus Christ by Faith in his Blood for the Remission of Sins that are past and that Tit. 2.11 Salvation is brought through the Grace of God that hath appeared unto all Men. Object This Sense of yours cannot be denyed because your Language agrees with the Holy Scriptures But the Question is Whether your Meaning thereby is that you own a Justification of Persons or a State of Salvation attainable through the Blood of Christ not only without an Infusion of Righteousness but also by a Pardon of Sins and accepting of Persons as perfectly Righteous at the Tribunal of God not for any Works wrought in them or done by them but for Christ's sake not by imputing the Act of Faith or any pretended Light or Principle within them or any of their Evangelical Obedience to him as their Righteousness before God but by Accepting and Imputing the Obedience and Satisfaction of Christ for them and to them And Whether or no you do not account that Justification and Sanctification are all one and the same thing because Sanctification is inseparably joyned with Justification 1 Cor. 6.11 which if you should we cannot but take you therein to Err because in Justification God imputeth the Righteousness of Christ to us Rom. 4.6 8. But in Sanctification the Spirit of God infuseth Grace into us and enableth to the Exercise thereof Ezek. 36.27 Answ The Objection seems to be raised by such as have put their Meanings on the Scriptures of Truth when in truth they cannot say That by the Revelation of the Spirit of God they have been led thereto And therefore such Meanings may well be taken to be no other than meer Private Interpretations and not that which is signifyed by the Holy Ghost However that our Sense relating to the Material Parts of the Objection may be known we thus say First That Justification unto Life Eternal or a State of Salvation is not attainable but through Faith in the Blood of Christ or the Leadings of God's Grace that hath appeared unto all Men and that nothing which we of our selves are capable to perform can in any wise be so Meritorious as thereby to render us worthy of that Justification which all the Saints in Light are attained unto as absolutely necessary to the being made a Partaker of the great Salvation of God By these our words Nothing which we of our selves are capable to perform our Meaning is not only an Exclusion of all legal Performances which the Apostles in their Epistles plentifully hinted at but also of all other Outward Dutyes and Performances of what Nature and Kind soever that our Outward Man is of ability without the Assistance of the Spirit of God to act and bring forth And if any from these words in the Objection viz. Wrought in them Act of Faith Evangelical Obedience c. shall conclude that the very Works and Actions which by the Spirit of God we are enabled to bring forth are of no Advantage towards Eternal Salvation but that it 's through Faith alone attainable We then thus Answer That the word Faith in the Scripture may be taken in a two-fold sense the one is a Faith that is not without a further growth accompanyed with the Salvation of God and therefore cannot be the Faith intended in the Objection The other is Faith in the Blood of Christ for Remission of Sins and this Faith is unto Salvation and so must be that intended in the Objection But then this inconsistency with Truth plainly appears in the Objection viz. A reliance on Faith excluding Works wrought by the Spirit The inconsistency lies here Wheresoever a lively Faith unto Salvation is manifested it is accompanyed with Fruits of the Spirit and Evangelical Obedience which are as inseparable each from other as Sanctification and Justification in the Objection are confest to be We shall now prove to evince against all Opposers the truth of what we have Asserted First That there is a Faith which without a further growth is not accompanyed with the Salvation of God is evident from the words of Paul Rom. 13.11 For now is our Salvation nearer than when we believed Which clearly shews that the Scripture informs us of a Belief or Faith attained by such as were not arrived unto nor yet Witnesses of the Salvation of God They were only come nearer unto it than when they first believed but not come at it And no doubt but this Belief or Faith spoken of by the Apostle was a Faith on Christ that is to say That He was the Son of God c. For so to believe was the Work encouraged in the beginning according as appears by the words of Christ unto the multitude John 6.29 This is the Work of God that ye believe on him whom he hath sent And this was said by Christ in Answer to this Question proposed to him by the Multitude What shall we do that we might work the Works of God Phil. 1.15 16 17 18. Besides we find the Apostle rejoycing That Christ was Preached though by some 't was of Envy and Strife and in Pretence And no doubt his End was that the Sons of Men might come to believe That Christ was the Son of God and That the Messiah that was waited for was come Of whom there was an Expectation John 4.25 That he should tell us all things And so when the Sons of Men whether Jews or Gentiles were come so far as to believe That Christ was that Messiah that was to come there was Ground of Hope that they might in due time come to Witness the Obedience of Faith unto Righteousness The Author to the Hebrews tells us Heb. 12.2 That Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our Faith No doubt this was not a Work done in a Moment or Twinkling of an Eye for though he is the Author and Object of every true Christians Faith yet we learn from the Holy Scriptures that such as believed That Jesus was the Lord stood in need of many ‖ Rom. 13.13 14. Heb. 10.23 24. Exhortations Reproofs and Instructions and that God made use of Instruments to build them up in the most Holy
Faithful Friends under the Notion of Dark Spirits and whether otherwise the Prophesies of those who have prophesied blasting and withering outwardly might not quickly come to pass where Persecution is The aforesaid queries my desire is that thou George Fox mayest answer that so the simple-hearted Friends may plainly know what thy Iudgment is in things of this nature for I have cause to believe that many such are at this day drawn into the Belief and Practice of some things for which they have no sufficient ground from the Conviction of Conscience in themselves but rather as prompted thereto by such who are like unto those who lay heavy Burthens on others which they themselves will not touch with their little fingers but blessed be the Lord there are Eyes that see and do perceive there are Ears that hear and do understand and have boldness and Confidence given them of the Lord to stand in the Gap as Witnesses against such who cry against Fleers in time of Persecution and yet are Fleers at such times themselves that blame others for securing their Goods from the Spoilers and yet Secure their own that prompt the Poor to offer up their ALL and yet take Care to advise the Rich to secure their Estates that cry against others as Unruly because they will not be subject to them and yet think themselves not obliged to be subject to any Rule but their own that testifie against Libertines and yet take Liberty to Backbite Slander and False Accuse that declare against Tale-bearers and yet be the chief Nourishers and Upholders of such that bear witness against Wickedness and Dark Spirits and be so dark as to record * * Read G. F's book touching Womens Meetings page 43.44 an Idolatrous Woman for a Virtuous one and as it 's said to try the Bad Spirits that cry against loosness and yet be so loose as to quote a meeting of Men and Women where * * Viz. The Meeting before the door of the Tabernacle of the Congregation where old Ely's Sons lay with the Woman as in G. F's book of Womens-meetings Lewdness was committed to prove Womens Meetings as G. F. hath done that would be accounted Watch-men watching for Good Healers of Breaches Removers of Stumbling-blocks and yet appear Watching for Evil and not for Good Increasers of Differences by adding Fewel to the Fire and casting Stumbling-blocks in the way of the Simple that appear Reprovers of such for Tythe-Payers who ever bore a Faithful Testimony against it and yet advise others to buy their Tythes that say God hath given them Infallible judgment in all things and yet appear notoriously Fallible How far thou G.F. art concerned in such things as these will appear in the day of the Lord when every mans Words and Works must be brought to judgment for I firmly believe thou art the man that hast been guilty in all these things and in the mean time take this as the fourth Warning Caution or Advice from the Hand of thy Friend who never knew the Moment wherein I had more Peace in any one Action of my Life than in what I now am writing let the time past be sufficient repent for thy many Miscarriages which God hath raised me as an Instrument in his Hand to discover unto thee for the Imperiousness of thy Spirit hath but an ill Savour in the Noscrils of God's people and as it was said of the priests of old whereof the prophet declares that because they caused many to stumble therefore were they despised and made vile before all the People so it may in time be said of thee unless thou Repent because thou hast laid Stumbling-blocks before many The Righteous God is Witness between thee and me when no mortal Ear that I know of did hear save our own that thou toldst me after thou grantedst my Request of having an hours private Discourse with thee at my being at London this last spring That thou knewest what thou didst in that Quotation of Micha's Mother that Idolatrous Woman though thou rendredst her as one recorded for her Wisdom and her Dirtue and that thou sawest 't would be a Stumbling-block I therefore cannot but take this opportunity seriously to put it to thy Conscience dost thou think thou hast done well to put a Stumbling block before the people of the Lord dost thou think a blessing can attend such an Action in thee when Christ himself hath pronounced a general woe against those who are guilty thereof Oh George consider before it be quite too late do not continue an instrument to raise Divisions Strife and Contention amongst the professors of the Truth for if thou dost the loss of many souls may be laid at thy door which in one day may be a burthen too heavy for thee to bear Perhaps some may think many things I hint at are groundless especially the matter relating to G. F's advising the rich to secure Worldly Estate and to buy Tythes and therefore to come a little closer I add these two queries I. Whether thou G. F. whilst Isaac Penington was in prison and in Erpectation of being premunired didst not thou advise or at least encourage Mary Penington to secure her or their Estate and whether afterward thou G. F. didst not speak in discourse with another Friend about the same matter to this effect viz. What a condition she viz. Mary Penington had been in had it not been for thee meaning as to outward Estate If thou G. F. deny this I will undertake to prove it or bring Teltimony under the hand of a Credible Friend in Truth that Mary Penington did signifie so much as is queried in the first part of the query and also prove or bring under the hand of a Credible Friend in Truth to whom thou G. F. spoke according as is queried in the latter part II. Whether thou G. F. didst not advise Nathaniel Crips of the County of Glocester to buy his Eythes both of Priest and Impropriator If thou deny it I will undertake to prove it or bring it under the hand of Nathaniel Crips that thou so didst Bristol the 20th of the 7th Month 1678. William Rogers The aforesaid answer was read in the Mens Meeting of Friends of the City of Bristol at which some of the Party with G. F. seemed very uneasie whereupon some Priends to VVilliam Rogers proposed to this effect That William Rogers was in the City for he acquainted a Friend that he would be within at his House if Occasion should be to send for him and ready to stand by what he had done and that if they pleased they might appoint a Meeting on purpose with William Rogers on this Occasion but none of the Party with G. F. appeared to appoint a Meeting the secret Cause whereof we believe was because that some of the Party with him were conscious to themselves that G. F. in many things was represented no otherwise than he had manifested himself to be Thus far
the Citation out of the 15th Section of the 2d part of the said Manuscript To the aforesaid Answer and Queries given by me G.F. made a Reply with a False Certificate as hereafter will be mentioned annexed thereto by John Blaykling unto which I writ a Rejoynder and caused the same to be copyed and sent unto him And forasmuch as some other Abuses laid at G. F's door are together with my Rejoinder mentioned in the 21th Section of the 2d part of the Manuscript beforeeited I think it needful to insert not only my Rejoinder to G. F. but also some other part of the said Section pertinent on this Occasion with the Omission of some Names for the Reasons mentioned in the Preface to the 1st part which now follows ON the 21th of the first Month 1678. Was delivered me a Manuscript subscribed G. F. with a Testimony and Postscript subscribed John Blaykling What is therein written and subscribed G. F. is a Reply to an Answer that I gave toa Paper given forth by G. F. dated the 4th Month 1678. which was read in the Mens Meeting of Friends in the City of Bristol And forasmuch as G. F. hath laid down two False Assertions on which he seems to build the greatest part if not all of those things which he concludes are False Charges I shall apply my self to manifest those two False Assertions and so the Force of his six sheets of Paper in answer to one of mine will for the most part if not altogether fall to the ground as such an impertinent idle discourse that 's nauseous to men of Honesty and endued with Understanding unless it be the Fruit of Understanding and Honesty which I know is not nor can be to give credit unto the words of a Man detectable of many Lyes from the sight of his own Reply and compared with what he pretends to Answer Moreover 't is observable that he not only praiseth himself at a high rate but also vilifieth and scandalizeth others in general terms and sometimes in particular and yet brings no proof for either to me it appears that his best skill to answer any thing is of late so manifested which cannot but be obvious to every impartial Eye that shall throughly peruse and ponder his Answer to me G. F's first False Assertion hinted at as before is contained in these his words viz. My Paper is an Epistle to Friends which thou confessest is an Exhortation in itself good To this I Reply this Sentence and Assertion is False and not to be found in my Answer to him my own words relating to an Exhortation in itself good is in my Answer to be found only in these two Sentences viz. The above-recited Paper I take to be wholly made up of Queries to all those that make away their Estates for fear of the Spoilers in time of Persecution excepting this one Sentence of Exhortation Do you not distrust and despair of God Almighty his Protecting and Delivering you with his Almighty Power to the Exhortation I say it is in itself good c. Which plainly relates to that one sentence which I took to be an Exhortation but not to all his Paper which he terms an Epistle to Friends From G. F's words viz. An Epistle to Friends such as have not heard what is contained in the said paper may be apt to conclude that it contains something of Exhortation Counsel Doctrine Instruction Teaching Prophesying or Prayer or at least some Sentences which imports his being then exercised in some or one of the aforementioned spiritual gifts but no such thing is therein found more than what may be pretended from the aforesaid sentence of Exhortation as I took it but that Sentence may also be taken for a Query as well as an Exhortation And as to the rest of the paper 't is all Queries which gives me occasion to ask this question viz. Whether such a Paper can properly be called an Epistle to Friends in Truth especially since 't is easily savoured that those he writes to are such as in his esteem are exercised in the spirit of the World that lusteth to Envy for so his words clearly import if one of his Queries and the beginning of his paper be compared the beginning of his paper runs thus Friends all you that do make away or over your Estates c. and then about the middle of his queries thus saith Whether this spirit that doth so is not the Spirit of the World that doth lust to Envy To conclude as to this False Assertion G F. hath scattered the substance thereof in at least eight several places in his Answer to me which to speak in plain and vulgar Language is one downright Lye told eight times over and since in the second Page of the said Manuscript he seems to imply that I have not been Civil and Ingenuous as a Man I now appeal to all ingenuous Readers whether this his Action shews any degree of Civility or Ingenuity either as a Man or Christian The second False Assertion before hinted at I thus manifest I proposed Thirteen Queries to him after I had answered the substance of his Queries and having so done I then proceeded to add and that in a distinct Paragraph from the Queries these few following lines viz. The aforesaid queries my desire is that thou George Fox mayest answer that so the simple-hearted Friends may plainly know what thy Iudgment is in things of this nature for I have cause to believe that many such are at this day drawn into the Belief and Practice of some things for which they have no sufficient ground from the Conviction of Conscience in themselves but rather as prompted thereto by such who are like unto those who lay heavy Burthens on others which they themselves will not touch with their little fingers but blessed be the Lord there are Eyes that see and do perceive there are Ears that hear and do understand and have boldness and Confidence given them of the Lord to stand in the Gap as Witnesses against such who cry against Fleers in time of Persecution and yet are Fleers at such times themselves that blame others for securing of their Goods from the Spoilers and yet Secure their own that prompt the Poor to offer up their ALL and yet take Care to advise the Rich to secure their Estates that cry against others as Unruly because they will not be subject to them and yet think themselves not obliged to be subject to any Rule but their own that reâ—â—â—ite against Libertines and yet take Liberty to Backbite Slander and False Accuse that declare against Tale-bearers and yet be the chief Nourishers and Uphoiders of such that bear witness against Wickedness and Dark Spirits and yet be so dark as to record an Idolatrous Woman for a Virtuous one and as it 's said to try the Bad Spirits that cry against loesness and yet be so loose as to quote a meeting of Men and Women where Lewdness was
lyable to err than a treating on this Scripture Take eat this is my Body and apply it to outward bread would And though none amongst the People of the Lord called Quakers as ever I yet heard treated on the later Scripture in Approbation of the sense and application before recited yet I find the aforesaid Author treating on the former Scriptures and that as to me appears with respect to settled Assemblies who if they watch not may err which is easily to be savour'd if the whole scope of his Treatise be but duely weighed The service for God and his Truth in his so doing at this day is hard to be understood by many who have an Honourable esteem for Truth as preach't in the beginning especially since it may occasion many to stumble and fall through a Jealousy that those Scriptures in process of time may be used to enforce Obedience to Outward Sentences and Decrees relating to Conscience whether the Understanding be so illuminated as to see the service of such Obedience for God and his Truth yea or nay And since it is so that of late much is spoken touching the Authority of the Church and that the Church is not lyable to err and that the Apostacy shall never enter the Generality more it is at this time with me to treat a little further touching things of this nature And though I would not be understood to say that the Church of Christ is not invested with Power from on high for every Member thereof according to measure stands in the Power or that the Apostacy shall enter the Generallity again yet I have this certain sense that in Asserting the Authority of the Church and her infallibity c. time hath not been so well imployed as might have been in an inward exercise to be comprehended in the Power thereby to be preserved out of all Apostacies and error but to proceed We read that the Author to the Hebrews tells them They were come to the * Heb. 12.13 General Assembly and Church of the First-Born which are written in Heaven and to God the Judge of all we do not find that the Scripture speaks of the Authority of this General Assembly so that their Sentences and Decisive Judgments should be a Bond on Believers to obey though they see it not but saith God is Judge of all Neither do I find that the Scriptures make mention of any General Assembly of the Church of Christ other than in this place And since the word Church is mostly used in Scriptures with respect to particular Congregations or Assemblies what ground is there to exalt the Power of a General Assembly above any Particular one especially since no such Assemblies whether General or Particular as Assemblies of men have Power one above another further than the Power of God appears more eminent in Degree in one than another for God by his Spirit alone is Sole Judge which appearing though but through an Handmaid or meanest of the Flock in the least of Assemblies ought to be submitted to when God's Witness in the Conscience Answers whether an Assembly esteemed a General Assembly approve thereof or no. Where two or three are gathered together in Christs Name there is the Church of Christ * Matth. 18.19 20. Christ saith If two of such agree on Earth as touching any thing they shall ask the Father it shall be done for them of my Father which is in Heaven Can the Agreement of a General Assembly do more than this viz. than Prevail with the Father and therefore I may well query Why the agreement of Two in any Case who in Christ's Name agree ought not to have as great a Prevalency amongst their Brethren as the Agreement of an Assembly esteemed a General one ought And why the People of God at this day may not have an Eye as well to two Brethren who in Christ's Name agree and are at Unity in the Truth as unto an Assembly esteem'd a General One Though particular Societies of Men may constitute some Persons or Person to represent them and so may conferr a Power on them to negotiate Outward Worldly Affairs and by reason of such Constitutions there may be Assemblies which in that respect may be called General Assemblies yet I query Whether any Assembly of the People of the Lord can in a proper Sense be called a General Assembly of the Church of Christ unless such a one where every Member of Christ's Body is convinced because as they pretend to the Exercise of no Power in their Assemblies when negotiating the Affairs of Truth as Members of the Church of Christ and not barely as men but Gods Power so they do not profess that as such they have Power to confer Gods Power and Spirit on any for they account that only proper to Christ the Lord and therefore if any particular Congregation should attempt to send Persons as their Representatives to any particular Place in order to meet together as a General Assembly of the Church of Christ or that any part of the Church without such particular Election or Mission should Assemble together and call themselvs the General Assembly of the Church of Christ I Query Whether those so affirming would not therein manifestly erre Yet I would not hereby be understood to Judge it as an Evil for any whether Apostles or Elders or any else to meet together when where and as often as they in the Spirit shall find Freedom from the Lord so to do nor yet being met together to judge them for giving forth any thing by way of Recommendation to the Consciences of their Brethren when they find freedom from the Lord so to do Yet in this Case every one had need to wait in their Own Gift that so they may not exercise themselves in things beside their Gifts and then what such bring forth may have an Answer in the Consciences of their Fellow-Brethren But should such Assemblies take upon them to give forth Positive Sentences Decrees or Decisive Judgments in Matters of Conscience in order to become a Bond upon Believers to Obey though they see it not and in defect of Obedience to such their Sentences pronounce all such their brethren who may refuse to obey the same Rebellious against the Lord they would therein manifest themselves to be laying another Foundation than that which hath been already laid and so it might be Just with the Lord to withdraw his comforting Presence from them R. B. Page 63. treating of the Liberty of Conscience which may be exercised by the Members of the True Church diversly without Judging one another thus saith There is a certain Liberty and forbearance also that is more perticular and has a relation to the Circumstance of Times and Places which will not hold universally the first was in suffering Circumcision to the Jews the second was in Observation of certain dayes the third Abstaining from meats To which I say The aforesaid Author as in other things