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A15508	Charity mistaken, with the want whereof, Catholickes are vniustly charged for affirming, as they do with grief, that Protestancy vnrepented destroies salvation.	Knott, Edward, 1582-1656.; Matthew, Tobie, Sir, 1577-1655, attributed author.; Potter, Christopher, 1591-1646.; Potter, Christopher, 1591-1646. Want of charitie justly charged.	1630 (1630)	STC 25774; ESTC S102197	54,556	140

Iesus Christ and we pray and hope that before they part out of this life the merits of the said death passion of our Blessed Lord may be applyed to theyr soules by fayth and charity and penance by those Sacramēts and other conduits meanes of conueying and applying his grace and spiritual life to their soules which are onely to be found in the bosome of the holy Catholicke Church Without which Sacraments and other meanes the merits and blood of Christ our Lord though most apt and able in themselues to saue a thousand millions of worlds will neuer saue any one soule For in fine the merits of our Lord and the sinfull soules of men be two extreames of great distance from one another can neuer be brought to meet but by such wayes and meanes as the vnspeakeable power and wisedome goodnes of Almighty God hath found out for that purpose and those meanes are they which I haue already touched For if the merit of our Blessed Sauiours death were of it selfe to saue any one soule without the application thereof by the aforesaid meanes no reason at all could be assigned why any one soule should be lost as yet the farre greatet part of soules is sure to be So that we speake not so much of Protestants in thy kind as of the profession of heresy which they follow and we iudge no more of them vpon this reason but that whilest they liue in that Religion they estrange themselues from the right meanes of applying the merits of Christ our Lord to theyr soules whereby they might be saued But yet we hope neuertheles that God will haue so much mercy on many of them before they dy as to incorporate them into his mysticall body which is his true Church whereby they may partake the influence of that mercy and grace which is deriued from the head thereof Iesus Christ our Lord. And therefore it is plaine that we make not Protestācy to be at a sinne against the Holy Ghost which cannot be forgiuen because it will not be repented whereas Protestancy both may and often is repented of and consequently forgiuen to the end that it may be so we declare the grieuousnes of the sinne and we procure by all the meanes we can to remoue the same Nay we are so farre from accounting it a sinne against the Holy Ghost as that by our saying that Protestancy vnrepented excludes saluatiō we imploy no more then meerly that it is a mortall sinne For whosoeuer dyes impenitent of any one mortall sinne can neuer be saued S. Paul ad Galat and whosoeuer shall with true penance be sory and depart from his Protestancy though it be but in the last minute of his life will be capable of saluation So that we iudge not men in particular concerning their saluation of damnation but yet on the other side we must not be afrayd to affirme though we are cordially sory for hauing cause to doe it that they who dye impenitent either of Protestancy or any other sinne which depriues the soule of the grace of God cannot be saued For such men as these are iudged already in generall by the mouth of God but which of them in his particular shall be taken before he dy out of that vnhappy hearde of goates and placed in that blessed flocke of sheepe by the hād of the good shepheard we leaue to his owne vnsearcheable determinatiō And therfore as we take not the office of Iudge out of his hand because we cannot come to know whether this or that particular sinner may not repent before he dye so yet we may safely say that a man who liues in Protestancy or any other mortall sinne and who is so farre from repenting it though he be sufficiētly informed thereof as that he will not so much as acknowledge it to be a sinne and who for ought we know or canne learne did no way retract or reuerse it so much as at the hower of his death departs this life in a state which is greatly to be lamented and withall that if he repented himselfe as little of it indeede in the sight of God as in our sight he seemed to doe there canne be no doubt with vs so longe as we beleeue our Religion to be true but that such a person dyed without saluation as departing in the obstinate profession of a different Religion which we esteeme to be false And the same must they also beleeue of vs mutatis mutandis if indeede they beleeue their owne Religion to be true Christian religion of which Christ himselfe pronounced Qui non crediderit condemnabitur That our saying that Protestancy vnrepented destroyes saluatiō proceedes from want of Charitie in vs is no lesse vntrue because there is but one true Church then already I haue shewed it to be improbable and first this is proued by holy scripture CHAPTER III. HItherto I haue been shewing how vtterly improbable it is euen prima facie that we should censure Protestancy or Protestants through want of Charitie and withall what that motiue is which induces vs to let them know the extreamity of danger wherein they are or that when we hold any such discourse it is so farre from being an effect of want of Charitie in vs towards them as that it only proceedes from our deepe compassion of their case which is the most sweete pretious fruite of that soueraigne vertue My endeauour now shal be to shew that this charge of vncharitablenes against vs is not only improbable but vniust also vntrue And that in carrying our selues herein as we doe we not only not swarue from our duty to them but if we should doe otherwise we should fayle of that obedience which we owne to Almighty God himselfe who exacts the performance of this office at the handes of his holy Catholicke Church And now for the clearing of this point in such sort as that it may satisfie doubtfull mindes it will first be fit to premise some few groundes vpon which I may the better build vp that truth which I am about to declare I will not offer here to prooue that there is a God because now I haue not to doe which professed Atheistes nor yet that Christ our Lord is the true sonne of God who suffered death for the redemptiō of the world because we liue not amongst Iewes But for as much as there are such differences of opinion concerning that Religion and Church which was founded and framed by Christ our Lord I will briefely shew in the first place that Almighty God did found one Church and but one and that he ordained one Religion wherein he would be serued and but one and that out of that Communion there is no saluation In the second place I will make it appeare that the vnity which is to be maintained amongst the members of this one true Church and the professors of this one Religion is directly broken betweene Catholickes and

making euery toy to be Fūdamentall Where by the way he takes his pleasure vpon vs sayes that we Papists will not let Protestants be saued though they belieue the same Creede and the same faith with vs vnles withall they will belieue the same Mathematicks and gouerne thēselues by the same Kalēders which to omit other poornesses of his was soe weake and meane a iest so misbecoming of that Audience and of the place he helde as being fitter indeed for some Ordinary thē for a Chappel or Church and withall so very vntrue if he were in earnest that vnles the pride of his owne conceit had raised vp a dust to put out his eyes he could not but haue seene the senselesnes of what he said euen whilest he was speaking since we the Romane Catholickes in this kingdome do rather gouerne our selues at this day by the lesse perfect Kalender which now is vsed in this place then by the other which is both the better euen by the iudgment of learned Protestants is authorized by the Catholicke Church abroade Letting he world see thereby how willingly we can accommodate to them in all things which belong not meerely to Religion But Maister Doctour forgot himselfe worse shortly after For hauing grauely admonished mē before not to account things arbitrary to be necessary nor to call superstructions foundations nor to esteeme that euery little thing in Religion should be able to depriue a man of saluation he takes the paynes to wipe out with a wet finger the whole substance and drifte of all his owne discourse by saying to his effect That differēce in beliefe in points which are not very important is not to preiudice a mans saluation vnles by not belieuing them he commit a disobedience with all for saith he Obedience indeede is of the Essence of Religion Which vpon the whole matter is the very thing we say and the very thing whereby he crosses the whole scope of his owne sermon For if a mans disobediēce to the proposition and direction of the Church concerning an inferiour point of Doctrine do impugne the very essense of Religion it will follow that their distinctiō of points Fundamentall or not Fundamentall wherby they would inferre that a man can not loose his saluation but for misbelief in some few mayne points of Religion and not in the rest is absurd and vaine and detractiue both of Doctour Dunnes Doctrine last mentioned and of their owne obiection of vncharitablenes against vs for saying that men dying in different Religions cannot be saued And withall that this distinction will not secure them from committing the crime of separation from the Church of Christ our Lord and in swaruing from the directions thereof in which case all the Doctrines of the Church are found to be Fundamentall towards saluation And this shall serue for a dischardge both of what they obiect against our vnitie in faith and of what they alleadge in the behalfe of theirs And in the meane time I conceaue that I haue also sufficiently secured and settled those two mayne groundes vpon which this whole discourse is turned Namely first that there is but one true faith and one true Religion and Church out of which there is no saluation and secondly that both Catholickes and Protestants can not possible be accounted to be of that one Religion Church Faith And now for the finall proofe of this last point according euen to their practise as well as ours let my Reader but looke vpon the body of their lawes made against vs and especially vpon the Preambles thereof wherein they plentifully shew how hatefull an opinion they haue of our Church Let him looke vpon the seuerall Acts of State which haue issued from my Lords of the Counsell Let him looke vpō the proclamatiōs which haue beene made and published from time to time Let him looke vpon the large cōmissions which haue beene granted to Pursiuants whereby that scume of the world hath been and is enabled both to ransome ransacke vs at their pleasure Let him looke vpon those speeches which haue been vttered in both houses of Parliament not only against the professours but euen the profession it selfe of our Religion and how his most excellent Maiesty hath been importuned by their Petitions to add more weight to our miseries for thus it will easily be seene how false how rotten how superstitions how Idolatrous how detestable how damnable and euen destructiue of all truth and goodnes they professe themselues to esteeme our Religiō and in fine that we carry such a marke of the Beast in our foreheads as must needs in their opinion shut vp the gates of Heauen against vs and set open the iawes of Hell to deuoure and swallowe vs vp So that certainely we are no more of one Church with them in their opinion then they are of one with vs in ours And now there will remaine noe more but a short Recapitulation of what hath been deliuered more at large for the finishing of this discourse to which I will now betake my selfe A recapitulatiō of the whole discourse wherin it followes vpon the confession of both parties that the Catholickes and the Protestants are not both of them saueable in their seuerall Religions without repentance thereof before they dy and that Catholickes must therefore be no longer held vncharitable for saying so but those Protestants are shewed to be Libertines who say the contrary CHAPTER X. SInce the Faith Religion Church hath beene prooued both by Scriptures and Fathers as also by vnanswearable reasons which haue beene drawne both from the very groundes of true Faith and from the nature and spirit of Heresy and Schisme and finally by the Confession of both parties to be but only one and that out of that one there is noe saluation to be obtayned Since the difference concerning the Doctrine of faith betweene Catholickes Protestants are so many so important and so resolutely maintained cōcerning both the Canon of Scriptures the number nature of Sacraments the authority of traditions the supreme Iudge of Cōtrouersies the visible heade of the Church the iustification of ouer soules the valewe of our good workes the liberty of our will the possibility of keeping the Commandements the relations which runne betweene the men of this life on the one side and both the soules in Purgatory and the Saints in Heauen on the other Since besides our differences in points of Doctrine we swarue also from one an other in points of discipline and haue separated our selues haue mutually excōmunicated one another Since we hold them to liue in heresie and schisme and they vs in affected ignorance grosse superstition and Idolatry and are dayly making Sermons and bookes and edicts and lawes against one another it is certaine that either both they and we must not be saued if we dy vnrepētant of our seuerall Religions or else that the whole world hath beene in a dreame of three thousand yeares old euer

seriously censure the Zuinglians and all the Sacramentaries for hereticks and as alienated from the Church of God And I protest before God and the world that I agree not with them nor euer will but will haue my hād cleare from the blood of those sheepe which these hereticks driue from Christ deceaue and kill And againe in the same place Cursed be the Charity and concord of Sacramentaries for euer and euer to all eternity And a litle before his death he protesteth saying I hauing now one of my feete in the graue will carry this testimony and glory to the tribunall of God That I will with all my heart condemne and eschew Carolostadius Zuinglius Oecolampadius their disciples nor will haue familiarity with any of them neither by letter writing words nor deedes accordingly as the Lord hath commaunded Thus he sayth with very much more to the same effect And to make this yet more euident by the like testimonyes of the Zuinglians Caluinists the Tigurine Diuines say thus Nos condemnatam execrabilem vocat sectam c. Luther calls vs a damnable and execrable sect but let him looke that he declare not himselfe an Archheretick since he will not nor cannot haue any society with those that confesse Christ. But how marueilously doth Luther here bewray himselfe with his diuells what filthy words doth he vses such as are replenished with all the diuells in helle For he sayth that the diuell dwelleth both now and euer in the Zuinglians and that they haue a blasphemous brest insathanized persathanized and supersathanized and that they haue besides a most vaine mouth ouer which Sathan beareth rule being infused perfused and transfused into the same Did euer man heare such speeches passe frō a furious diuell himselfe In so much as Zuinglius sayth of him Behould how Sathā doth endeauour wholly to possesse this man And Oecolampadius also forewarnes Luther least being puffed vp by arrogācy pride he be seduced by Sathā Wherunto might be added sūdry other like testimonies This contention betweene Luther and his followers on the one party and the Zuinglians or Caluinists on the other is yet further testified not only by the almost infinite writings of on against an other yet dayly encreasing but also by the knowne mutuall proscription or banishment of ech other from their seuerall territories or dominions So farre were they from reputing one another for members of one and the same Church Thus farre goe the words of the sayd Apoligie where you shall finde the places both of Luther and Zuinglius and Oecolampadius and the Tigurine diuines exactly cited Heare also further what Nicolaus Gallus saith who was an eminent Minister at Ratisbone of the difference amongst the Protestants themselues Non sunt leues c In The sib Hypothes The dissentions which are amongst vs be not light nor cōcerning light matters but about the greatest Articles of of Christian Doctrine of the law and the ghospell of iustification and good workes of the Sacraments and vse of ceremonies Heare also what Conradus Schlussenburgus another famous Lutheran Protestant sayth in the very Title of his booke against the Caluinists Theologiae Caluinisticae libri tres c. Three bookes concerning Caluiniā diuinity wherein it is shewed as in a Table to the eye out of two hundred thre and twenty publicke writers of the Sacramentaries with particular setting downe the pages the words the names of the authours that the said Sacramentaries haue no true belief of almost any Article of Christian Faith This booke was printed at Franckford in the yeare 1594. Reade also but the very Title of two of Grauerus his bookes who was a famous professour of Lutheranisme the one is this Absurda absurdorū absurdissima Caluinistica absurda The absourd most absourd doctrines Caluin c. and the other Bellum Ioannis Caluini Iesu Christi printed 1598. The warre of Iohn Caluin against Iesus Christ. And lastly doe but read this Title of book writtē by Aegidius Hunnius who was a most famous Lutheran and succeeded next to Luther himselfe in possessing his Chaire at Wittenberge The Title is this Aegidij Hunnij Caluinus Iudai ●ans id est c. Caluin playing the Iew that is to say A discouery made by Aegidius Hunnius of the Iewish Interpretations and corruptions whereby Iohn Caluin ●ath not bene afrayde to corrupt after a detestable māner most illustrious places and testimonies of holy Scripture concerning the glorious Trinity the Deity of Christ of the holy Ghost and especially of predictiōs of the Prophets touching the coming of the Messias his Natiuity Passion Resurrection Ascension sitting at the right hād of God Printed at Wittenberge in the yeare 1592. I forbeare both to presse this euidēce I will no further seeke to prooue by way of Authority that both Catholicks and Protestants are not sauable as not being to be accounted to be of one and the same Church and Religion no not yet euen the Lutherans and Caluinists For in a word that reason strikes euen at the roote which is drawen from the nature propriety of faith it selfe And euen that alone if it be well considered will vnanswerably conuince not only that they are of differēt faith Church who differ in so many Articles of so great moment as these wherein we professe one selues to disagree but that they also who differ in any one single point which is propounded and commanded by the Catholicke Church yea and more ouer that they who differ not in any points at all if yet they assent not vpon the only true infallible ground which is as hath bene said the reuelation of Almighty God and the Proposition and Direction of the said Catholicke Churh not only haue the selfe same faith with that Church but that they haue no supernaturall and true faith at all euen of those other doctrines which they most earnestly thinke themselues to imbrace and cōsequently that it is wholly impossible for them to be saued if they dye impenitent The reason whereof is excellently deliuered by S. Thomas and many other diuines who vnaunswerably prooue that whosoeuer belieues not the whole corps of Christian Doctrine hath no true supernaturall faith at all and doth not righly belieue any one Article thereof He may haue a kinde of materiall fayth concerning those articles to which he giues assent but not a certaine and true and supernaturall faith vnles he belieue them vpon the right grounde thereof which is The speech or reuelation of Almighty God propounded and commaunded to belieued by the Catholicke Church For example if I should belieue that Christ our Lord dyed for the sins of the world either because I had only read it in some learned booke or in regard that I had ben told so by some friend whom I much esteemed and loued or else because I thought it likely in respect of some cōgruity thereof to other things or finally vpō any other