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A84830 Truth's defence against the refined subtilty of the serpent held forth in divers answers to severall queries made by men (called ministers) in the North. Given forth by the light and power of God appearing in George Fox and Richard Hubberthorn Fox, George, 1624-1691.; Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662. 1653 (1653) Wing F1970; Thomason E724_12; ESTC R207270 97,279 111

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Enemy to the life that gave it forth Mark 15. 1. therefore to such as thou and to thy generacion the Wo was ever preached for thou art one of them which was in the generacion of the Pharises who tempted Christ who were Enemyes to him though they professed the Prophets words and Moses words but thou art for destruction and misery will be thy end Query 2 Whether it be not an improper speech of Christ to say You will not come to me when he is in them and they in him before according to what you affirm Answ Thou blinde Hypocrite and Pharise here thou hast shewed thy self to be a blinde Guide indeed that neither knows Christ nor the drawing of Christ how darest thou say there is improperness in his speech but it is that thou being an Enemy of him mightst utter forth thy folly who art one of them that will not come to him that thou mightst have life Iohn 5. 40. but thou art seeking the outward Letter which is a testificacion of him standing up in thy own imaginacions and wouldst have the Scripture answer thee so thou Serpent wouldst have dust but with imaginacions I will not feed thee but with judgment as it is written but thy minde I do deny and to the Spirit that is in Prison I speak 1 Pet. 3. 19. whom thou art an Enemy to and to thee the Plagues of God are due Query 1. Whether the time of dark Natures power be not a night to the soul Iohn 11. 10. Answ This is thy own condicion thou needest not to have asked it for thy soul thou knowest not but the dark power reigns and rules in thee therefore thou stumblest because there is no Light in thy understanding John 12. 10. thou art in the night and there is stumbling and knowst not whither thou goost one that hates the Light a childe of disobedience Query 2. Whence it is that they that walk in the Light stumble if they have such a pure leading Light in them Answ Thou stumblest in these Queries because thou art disobedient to the Light and hatest it as others do and these are frivolous Queries that proceed from a frivolous minde who bringest Scriptures and art ignorant as a natural bruit Beast made to be taken and destroyed as Peter sayth now the evil nature in thee at this may rage but in that generacion thou art one that hateth the Light and stumbles and walks in darkness and knowest not whither thou goest John ● 11. and here again thou hast shewed thy self ignorant of the Letter and of Christs words Query ● Whether the Reason given by Christ be a tru and solid Reason yea or no Answ Thou with thy damnable Doctrine wouldst compare Christ like thy self with thy filthy Reason who art one of the false Prophets who denyest the Lord therefore thou art questioning Christs words which shews thee a Pharise who did question Christ thou Enemy of God where canst then accuse Christ that he spoke unsolidly or unsoundly or spoke a Ly O thou busiminded fellow what hast thou to do to question Christs words Mark ● ● but thou shewest forth thy busie filthy minde Luke 23. 2. that thou mightst accuse him where he is made manifest thou Pharise and Hypocrite Query 4. If so whether they that say Every man hath a sufficient Light be not Lyars and Deceivers of the People yea or no Ans Here thou shewest thy self to be a deceiver openly and all thou speakest is deceit from thy dark minde that comprehends not the Light that enlightens every one that comes into the world who hates it stumbles at noon-day John 5. and there thou art who hast put forth so many stumbling Queries and in that generacion thou art the same Spirit is made manifest as was in the Apostles which doth comprehend thee who shalt eternally witness me who cannot flatter thee and hast shewed thy self openly to be without the Light of God in darkness yet art pleading for it Therefore thou makest Christ a Lyar and a Deceiver and art in that generacion that ever called him so Iesus Christ sayd I am the Light of the world which enlightens every one that comes into the world Iohn ● 9. One he loves the Light and walks in it and there is no occasion of stumbling the other hates the Light because his deeds are evil and because it will reprove them and this is the cond●mnacion of the world and of thee Query 1. Whether all men are lead by the Spirit of God Rom. 8 9 14. Answ No thou art not lead by the Spirit of God but art lead by the Prince of darkness who rules in the children of disobedience Ephes 2. ● so thou art one that hatest the Light and quenchest the Spirit 2 Thess 5. 19. crucifiest Christ and shewest thy self openly blinde Dost thou profess thy self to be a Minister of God and queriest whether all be lead by the Spirit here thou makest thy nakedness and foolishness appear Query 2. Whether all men without exceptions are the sons of God Answ No thou art not nor none of thy flock we know thee so to be Except ye be born again Iohn 3. 3. ye must first be born again but thou art a childe of wrath and disobedience and here thou hast shewed forth thy natural birth and as a bruit beast which Iude speaks of Iude 10. and this must thou own before thou knowst what it is to be a son or servant which yet thou art an Enemy to Query 1. Whether the preaching of the Gospel be not a spiritual husbandry and warfare 1 Cor. ● 9 13 14. Answ We do witness the preaching of the Gospel to be a spiritual warfare and husbandry to pluck up such fruitless Trees and Briars and Thorns as thou art which cumber the ground 1 Cor. 3. 9. and to war against such Pharises as thou art which hath long stood in the Vineyard cumbring the ground whose fruit stinks as it is written Every Tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewen down and cast into the fier Matth. 3. 10. which thou art one and the cursed Fig-tree so the warfare is against such as thou art who livest in spiritual wickedness which Christ cryed Wo against Matth. 11. 21. that had the chiefest places in the Assemblyes Matth. 23 and there is the war that wars against such as thou art Query 2. Whether men go to war at their own Cost 1 Cor. 7. 9 13 14. Answ A Query out of the Scripture thou bringest who goeth a warfare at his own Charge but the same Apostle sayd he did use none of these things neither have I written these things that it should be so done unto me I preach the Gospel I have nothing to glory of Wo is unto me if I preach not the Gospel Cor. 19. 15 61. Thou wrestest his words to maintain thy gifts and thou hast planted no Vineyard nor never wast in the Warfare and art not come to know it and the Flock the
Apostles were men that were under the same commands that were generally commanded of all men cannot be denyed and if so then they were to teach this very Lesson of singing Psalms to the world where they went see Psal 100. 1. 96. 1. 117. 1. 61. 32. 148. 11 12 13. 145. 21. 150. 6. Now because you generally keep such work about this particular but further least you should evade this the New Testament is not altogether silent in this case for we reade of Christ that he sung a Hymn with his Disciples after Supper according to the manner of the Iews at their Feasts which say some was a Part of the 116 Psalm Paul and Silas sung in Prison and besides this Paul observed the command of God in this particular for he taught the Churches this very thing Ephes 5. 19 20. ●ol 3. 16. yea and the Apostle Iames declares the very extent of the command Iames 5. 13. holding it forth as a general duty without exception he sayth Is any merry let him sing Psalms For singing them in Meeter I would ask thee such a Question whether a truth in Meeter holding forth the goodness greatness majesty or mercy of God do not remain a truth instructing comforting edifying as well as the same in Prose If so the Devil hath befooled you exceedingly to make you so busie without cause as you are in this thing and while you pretend for truth of one hand you are beating down truth on the other hand publickly and visibly but besides this the Psalms were penned by the Spirit of God so no question they were directed to be sung in the Temple to that end David sent the Psalms to the chief Musician or Master of the Musick to put them in Meeter for singing and gave them grave Tunes to sing them forth in for the Hebrew Psalms were sung in Meeter in the Temple and in Tunes invented and what makes it worse now than it was heretofore God hath required the singing of Psalms even of English men as they are a part of the world then to that end Scripture-Psalms which were Themes and Verses are translated into English Psalms which Themes and Verses in like sort that we might sing them besides all this I would have thee to know that we are not to live onely by examples but by precepts also now I have discovered general precepts for the practise of this and as we are to do it so we are to do it spiritually orderly and most to edificacion and so the general Rule is 1 Cor. 14. 26 40. the Apostle in the 26 verse specifies this particular of a Psalm now what can be more for edificacion and decency and order than to follow that order that had been used so long before with the approbacion of God himself Hezekiah set the house of God in order and this was one thing he did he put the singing of Davids Psalms in order as in the 2 Chron. 29. 30. and in chapter 7. 30. 26. God blames him not for it but saith he There is none like him from the days of Solomon and to this day the order is not contradicted by God that I know if thou knowest more discover it Last of all exception is taken because they are given forth to the world any Assembly of Christians coming together to worship God are not bound up so close but a company of the world may come in amongst them and joyn with them in those things which are required of all men as hearing the Word praying or singing of Psalms and Christians are not to refrain because they are there for this see that place 1 Cor. 14. 23 24. Now whatsoever thou judgest I dare not but judg that God hath some of his people in our meetings that are Christians indeed and though there may be more of the world I know not that this should be a ground to forbear that which all in the Congregation are required to do viz to speak good of God A Reply to the Priests Answer Whereas thou goest about to maintain the singing of Davids Psalms in a Meeter and that the Apostles did so and went into the world to give to the world Davids Psalms to sing in a Meeter which David sayth The dead cannot prayse the Lord here I charge thee in the presence of the Almighty God to be a perverter of Scriptures and of the Apostles words and Davids words and dost bring in a consequence to bring them into the same carnal invencion that thou art in and wouldst make them like thy self and thou bringest a Scripture Matth. 28. 20. that the Apostles went into the world to give to the world Davids Psalms to sing in a Meeter there is not a word in the Scripture that Christ sent his Apostles into the world to give them Davids Psalms to sing in Meeter here thou accusest Christ and wouldst make him like thy self and wouldst make the Apostles like thy self here again I charge thee to be a wrester and a perverter of the Scriptures thou speakest of Paul and Silas singing and them thou dost bring to confirm thy going into the world to give to the world Davids Psalms in a Meeter here thou hast shewed forth thy blindness sottishness and ignorance Paul and Silas when they sung prayses to God they were in Prison which condicion thou never knewest and another Scripture thou bringest concerning Christ and his Disciples when they did sing an Hymn which thou art ignorant of but art in the Generacion of the Pharises and Priests that ●ought to put him to death who hath gotten the form of his words therefore as Amos sayth The songs of the Temple shall be turned into houling Amos 8. thy songs and all your songs another Scripture thou bringest in the Ephesians and Colossians to maintain thy beastly end of going into the world who are ignorant and live in darkness and giving them Davids Psalms in a Meeter contrary to all the Scripture and the practise of all the Saints and wouldst compare the Church who are gathered out of the world the Saints to be like the world and thy beastly worship who sung with the spirit and with understanding and with grace making melody to the Lord in their hearts 1 Cor. 14. 15. Heb. 2. 12. but the world turns the grace of God into wantonness and how darest thou compare them with those that lives and dwels in the grace of God and sings with grace and with the spirit but here thou hast shewed forth thy ignorance and blindness and it is that fools may utter forth their folly and that blinde Guides might appear openly and here I charge thee again to wrest the Scriptures and David thou bringest for the justifying of thy going into the world and giving them his Psalms to sing in Meeter who sayd Sing unto the Lord a new Song and none can sing a new song but who are rede●med from the earth Rev. 14. 3. and who are not