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1.12_o 13._o hence_o he_o be_v studious_a the_o more_o to_o reunite_v they_o again_o chap._n 12.13_o and_o to_o direct_v they_o how_o to_o improve_v their_o gift_n orderly_o to_o edification_n chap._n 14._o and_o in_o this_o chapter_n he_o persuade_v their_o mind_n to_o unity_n who_o be_v divide_v partly_o through_o pride_n in_o their_o own_o gift_n partly_o by_o disdain_n of_o other_o not_o so_o gift_v hence_o he_o put_v they_o in_o mind_n 1_o what_o once_o they_o be_v follow_v dumb_a idol_n 2_o that_o all_o gift_n be_v from_o the_o free_a dispensation_n of_o god_n and_o that_o one_o god_n one_o lord_n one_o spirit_n 3_o that_o god_n in_o his_o wisdom_n have_v dispense_v great_a variety_n of_o gift_n operation_n and_o administration_n 4_o that_o all_o be_v give_v to_o profit_v withal_o and_o these_o thing_n he_o illustrate_v by_o a_o simile_n take_v from_o a_o natural_a body_n which_o have_v large_o present_v and_o apply_v to_o this_o church_n vers_fw-la 27._o he_o conclude_v with_o 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