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A19060 A refutation of M. Ioseph Hall his apologeticall discourse, for the marriage of ecclesiasticall persons directed vnto M. Iohn VVhiting. In which is demonstrated the marriages of bishops, priests &c. to want all warrant of Scriptures or antiquity: and the freedome for such marriages, so often in the sayd discourse vrged, mentioned, and challenged to be a meere fiction. Written at the request of an English Protestant, by C.E. a Catholike priest. Coffin, Edward, 1571-1626. 1619 (1619) STC 5475; ESTC S108444 239,667 398

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reproach yea following the rule of S. Bernard we draw from your wicked wordes flowing out of the malignant rancour which aboundeth in your hart the contrary perswasiō to that which you pretend for as he very truly obserueth Non potest bonus non esse qui bonis placet nec Bernard epist 24● minùs validum argumentum mihi videtur quòd bonus sit si malis è regione despliceat He cannot but be good who contenteth the good and it is with me no lesse forcible an argument that he is likewise good if on the other side he displease those who be bad So S. Bernard Wherefore when you charge Popes with incontinency all Priests with treasons the like we find that good men loue them the better for your hatred and in many things we say of you and yours as S. Augustin of Herod in respect of the infants he slew in and about Bethleem Plùs prosuit odio quàm prosuisset obsequio He did them more good by his hatred then he could haue done by his fauour so in the later accounting day these ranke breaths patiently endured will not want their euer enduring rewards as he hath promised who cannot deceaue vs and your persecutions in the end will crown the sufferers with the stole of immortality 39. And by this occasion to speake of this present Pope Paulus the fifth and that not for receaued courtesies for I neuer in respect of my The singular continency of this present Pope selfe haue had farthing of him or expected hops for I pretend nothing much lesse for flattery which I abhorre and where I neuer seeke to be beholding why should I flatter but only and meerely for truth and loue of the vertue of purity which I admire which in all the course of his life hath beene in him most resplendent We see Princes faults to be more conspicuous then other mens by reason of their place wherby they are made the cōtinual obiect of curious eyes and ordinary subiect of licentious tongues because men soone espy easily speak of what Princes do but such is the integrity of this worthy Pastour and hath euer beene in the whole course of his life as euen those who yet in other things little affect him neuer speake but with admiration of his chastity which none more commend then those who most know the man and my selfe haue heard diuers meruaile at the vniforme constant singular opinion which all men haue of his purity of life and how that euen from his infancy he neuer hath yet had the least stayne or touch of contrary imputation therefore this malicious aspersion might well haue beene spared of spurious sonnes of the Bishops of Rome in these dayes which only concerneth your Superintendents of England of whose impurity we want nor certayne records which vpon these iniurious slanders we may perhaps be moued to set forth which els euen for very shame and credit of our nation we could haue beene contented to conceale 40. The third vntruth and that a very grosse one is that many Bishops of Rome lawfully begot in wedlocke followed their Fathers in the Pontificall chayre For in this Chaffe in Gratian we find but one named A notorious lye that in these words Siluerius Papa filius Silueri●● piscopi Romae Siluerius the Pope son of Siluerius the Bishop of Rome how then doth this man tell vs out of Gratian of many Bishops of Rome following their Fathers in the Pontificall chayre What Hyperbolicall manner of speach is this to make one only man and his sonne to be many fathers and many sonnes doth this man heed what he writeth Nothing lesse for such is his stupidity as looking with bleare eyes he not only taketh one man for many but is mistaken also in that very one and thinketh that to be which is not all for who euer heard of a second Siluerius Pope of Rome What record or mention is there thereof Truely non at all suppose there had beene yet would it not haue followed I trow that he had begot that child whiles he was either Pope or Priest which as I must often tell him is our only question 41. And the weaknes of this citation would haue appeared the better if M. H●ll had but alleadged the Canon it selfe and the first Pope named in that Catalogue which had been inough to haue shamed all for thus it begins Osius Papa fuit filius Stephani Subdiaconi Osius the Pope was son M. Halls strange Steuen the Subdeacon of Steuen the Subdeacon But who euer heard of a Pope Osius let M. Hall read ouer all the row of Popes from S. Peter to Paul who now siteth in the chayre and he shall find no such name and his Father seemeth to be some indiuiduum vagum Steuen a Subdeacon in the ayre for of what place or whose Subdeacon he was he sayth nothing and it should seem this Subdeacon Steuen was a very charitable man a friend to orphans and father of the fatherles for Deusdedit the Pope wanting as is should seeme a Father this Steuen steppeth in againe and standeth for his Father also Doubtles he was husband to Pope Ioan that could beget Popes so fast and I wish that when any of your frinds M. Hall print that table againe to put downe this particuler which will much grace the whole tale and you may if you list the better to please fooles follow your Father Fox in giuing her a picture betweene her two sonnes Popes Osius Deusdedit but to leaue these toyes and to end this matter 42. Only the Reader must further note that this Palea to make vp a full number being as it M. Halls Chasse of small memory seemeth of a short memory telleth the same men ouer twice for so he dealeth with Felix whom he putteth in the third place who is brought in againe vnder the name of Felix the third which addition of number might haue beene put as well in the first place because the thing only agreeth vnto the third Felix and none of the rest for the Father of the first was Constantius of the second Anastasius and likewise Agapitus named in the fourth place is numbred and named againe in the last to make vp the score and the Father of Gelasius the first of that name made Bishop of a lay man such graue Authors doth M. Hall produce against vs and supposing all were true yea and that they had been many yet he might haue had the answere vnto them all where he borrowed the obiection for the glosse explicateth the Text saying Omnia ista exempla intellige de ij c. Vnderstand al these examples of them who were borne of their parents being in the state of lay men or the lesser Orders when they might lawfully vse their wiues And what is this to M. Halls purpose what doth this proue against vs 43. You will say that this Author ingenuously as M. Hall sayth doth render