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A90206 The world to come, or The mysterie of the resurrection opened: in a discourse at Burford in the county of Oxon, upon Acts 24.15. / By John Osborn, minister of the Gospel at Bampton in the bush. As also, in a conference between him and Richard Coppin of Westwell. Osborne, John, lover of the truth as it is in Jesus. 1651 (1651) Wing O526; Thomason E635_1; ESTC R206479 55,151 76

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it What is all this v. 17 18. to the old man or labouring and traveling to bring forth Christ in the spirit Cop. The bringing of the soul out of the dust is the bringing of the new man out of the old Osb. Where is your proof that the bringing of the dead out of the dust is bringing the soul out of the dust and that the bringing of the new man out of the old Cop. This is proved v. 14. They are dead they shall not live they are deceased they shall not rise therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them and made all their memory to perish Osb. What is this to the old man Cop. God's raising them is raising their memory or them to a memory which before they had not it was a perishing memory which before they had Osb. What means the perishing of their memory here Cop. They remembred not God or had not the knowledge of God Osb. Prove this phrase to hold forth any such thing Cop. The natural man is enmity with God Osb. Prove the memory perishing to be taken for natural state Cop. It is the darkness of their Understanding Osb. Prove it is meant so here and alledge your Scripture and I will acknowledge my self to be in an error Cop. I prove Ezek. 37. 11. These bones are the whole House of Israel Behold they say our bones are dryed up and our hope is lost Osb. He says nothing of memory much less of memory perishing but speaks of hope lost which are two distinct things hope being of things to come and memory of things past therefore this Scripture cannot witness for you you must seek elsewhere Cop. The Scripture carries it all along that the natural mans memory perisheth not Osb. I see little strength or sense in this answer or that it is in any sort pertinent to our question Let me now see how you can prove in this chapter and particularly in this verse he speaketh of the new man and that by dust is meant corruption of nature and darkness Cop. If men will not receive the truth they may pick Cavils Osb. You judge me though judging be against your doctrine but prove that by dust is meant corruption and darkness Cop. What is it that awakens out of darkness Christ in us who appears as dew on the herbs till Christ as dew revive our dead hopes as appears also by Hos 14. 51. I will be as the dew unto Israel he shall grow as the Lilly How shall he fall as a dew unless upon as as dead Jesus Christ is the dew and he cometh not but on the dead Osb. If this be granted it doth but hold out this that those that are raised are raised by this dew but that the dead on which it falleth are souls onely and not bodies you have not proved Cop. That coming is on a dry soul Osb. Yet I deny that the soul only is quickned by Christ I grant that Christ as dew and as rain falls on a withered soul and thereby quickens and revives it but that it quickens the soul only I deny for it also quickens the body of which he speaks here in Isaiah Cop. I have proved the soul to be quickned by this dew you must prove the dew doth descend upon the body also Osb. It was rather my grant then your proof that the soul is quickned which we affirm also of the body sith what the dew is to the corn and grass that Christ is to the bodies of men as the dew revives the corn and grass and makes it to flourish when it is dead and withered so doth Christ raise mens bodies dead in the grave which we having before abundantly proved by authority of Scripture it is your part to disprove or shew the impertinency of the Scriptures alledged for to the Proposition by me maintained Cop. Would you have me to prove all Will you have no proof on your side You will prove nothing Osb. Seing you will have it so we will make an Essay what may be proved out of this very verse from whence I doubt not to infer the verity of my Assertion and the falsity of yours and that he speaks of bodies quickned by this dew from a bodily death in the grave rather then of souls from corruption the dead that are here raised by the dew falling on them are conformable to Christ they are so dead as Christ's body was and so raised as Christ's Together with my dead body shall they arise But Christ's Resurrection was not from corruption and sin but from a bodily death to life therefore ours also Cop. Christ did descend to the Nature of man that is corruption Christ must lay this in grave and rise from it Osb. Then Christ was a sinner Cop. He took our sins and so his resurrection was from sin Osb. Doth this of Isa 26. 17 hold out any such thing Yea where is he said to rise from sin Cop He took our Nature on him and that 's the cause Osb. It was from the grave and not from sin corruption and ignorance Cop. If he rose not from them then he had them not Osb. Neither had he for he was without sin That remains to be proved Cop. He took all our infirmities on him Osb. Not sinful infirmities Cop. All our infirmities and bare our sicknesses Osb. I deny that John 11. 24. Osb. Let us go on to another Scripture namely Joh. 11. 24. Martha saith unto him I know that he shall rise again in the Resurrection at the last day Lazarus was dead lay four days in the grave and stunk yet of him Martha saith He should rise again in the Resurrection at the last day This cannot be meant of any spiritual Resurrection in this life but of a Resurrection after death Which perswasion of hers Christ confirms by saying I am the Resurrection Cop. Martha spoke in Ignorance and Christ by way of Reproof Mark the words I know saith Martha my Brother shall rise again in the Resurrection of the last day Christ answers I am the Resurrection and the Life He that believeth in me though he were dead yet shall he live as if he had said she should not believe her self but him Martha believed not as in v. 40. Said I not unto thee that if thou wouldest believe thou shouldest see the glory of God Therefore Christ reproved an Unbeliever Osb. Christ instructs reprooves not Martha but rather commends her M. John Hughes Martha saith v. 27. that she doth believe therefore she had faith Cop. She believed in general but not in particular and who will not say my friends that are dead I shall see them again at the last day M. Hughes You will not say it M. W. Bartholomew Martha had external faith but not internal faith Cop. Yea yea Osb. Where do you prove by Scripture there is an external faith and what is external faith M. W. Bartholomew She heard with the ear that was her faith Osb. We deny hearing to be