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A36663 A treatise of baptism wherein that of believers and that of infants is examined by the Scriptures, with the history of both out of antiquity : making it appear that infants baptism was not practised for near 300 years after Christ ... and that the famous Waldensian and old British churches and Christians witnessed against it : with the examination of the stories about Thomas Munzer, and John a Leyden : as also, the history of Christianity amongst the ancient Britains and Waldenses : and, a brief answer to Mr. Bunyan about communion with persons unbaptized / by H.D. Danvers, Henry, d. 1687. 1673 (1673) Wing D233; ESTC R35615 154,836 411

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own Books are witness from whence they are faithfully quoted especially that which he calls The Second Disputation of the Right to Sacraments From whence it is that Mr. Tombes fetches the twenty Arguments he wrote against Mr. Blake and improves them all against himself discovering Contradiction to his former Principles in every one of them in his Book which he calls Felo de se or The Self-Destroyer to which Mr. Baxter hath never made the least Reply that I have heard of though in the end of Mr. Tombe's said Book he provoked him to a Reply by these words viz. By the reading of this Book all Intelligent Persons may perceive Mr. Baxter's deceitfulness or heedlesness and if he persist in defending Infants Baptism his unreasonable pertinacy in his own Conceit and if he do not declare his forsaking his Doctrine in his Book of Baptism his Impenitency and unrighteous dealing with the Church of God which he hath injured Therefore how much is he concerned to give some account how such Assertions can be reconciled to his former Writings which in the apprehensions of such ignorant Creatures as we are seem to be as contrary to each other as Light to Darkness Though I doubt not but that through the Prosoundness of his Speculation and Subtilty of his Distinction having therein so much out-done Thomas Aquinas himself in his late Writings he will as soon Reconcile these seeming Contradictions as many of his former wherein he hath so much abounded none more that I know of being as you 'l find sometime a great Opposer then a great Defender of Episcopacy sometime for Non-Conformity in whose Tents he hath seemed to shelter himself in the Storm and with their Indulgence to come forth of his hole and yet at length so highly to disgrace the same Sometimes a friend to Calvin and then a greater to Arminius sometime a great Defender of the Parliament and their Cause then none more to renounce them or to betraitor them for their paines sometimes a great Opposer of Tradition and anon a great Defender thereof sometimes a violent Impugner of Popery and yet at last who hath spoke more in favour of it witness those very strange Passages in his late Book called the Christian Directory so much the talk of the Town which coming just to my hand upon the writing hereof I shall presume for the novelty of them to make a little Digression to give you an Account of some of them Popish Christenings lawful and which you may please to take as followeth viz. That it is lawful to offer ones Child to be baptised in a Popish Countrey in their way of Baptizing viz. with E●orcisme Chrysme Milk Honey and White Garments rather than not have it baptized Those Ceremonies of Milk Honey White Garments and Chrysm being as he tells us so Ancient that their Original is not known called by Epiphanius and others the Tradition and Custome of the Universal Church p. 826. That Temples Fonts Utensils Church Reverence due to holy Places and things Lands much more Ministers are holy and Reverence due to them For to say as some do that they are indeed Consecrated and Separated but not holy is to be ridiculously wise by self-contradiction And that to be uncovered in the Church c. doth tend to preserve due Reverence to God and to his Worship 1. Cor. 16.20 P. 915. That the unjust Alienation of Temples Alienating holy Places Things Utensils Lands Days c. which were separated by God himself and consecrated by Man are sacrilegious P. 916. That the name Priests Sacrifices Altars may be used instead of Christs Ministers Popish Names of Priests Altars Sacrifice justified Worship Holy Temple And that sober Christians should allow each other the liberty of such Phrases without Censoriousness or breach of Charity or Peace p. 882. That the Communion-Table may be turned Altar wise and Railed in to keep Dogs and Boys from it Railing the Altar and that it is lawful to come up to the Rails and to communicate Kneeling as being indeed things that Christians ought not to censure or condemn each other for P. 882. compared with 859. That it is lawful Keeping Holy-Daies or Saints-Daies to keep Anniversary Festivals in Commemoration of Saints Departed if it be lawful to keep the fifth of November P. 762. Sect. 24. And to keep Humane Holy Days and Lent also if Abstinence be enjoyned not in imitation but Commemoration of Christs fourty days East P. 866. That Church-Musick is profitable being a Natural help to the minds alacrity And it is a Duty Church-Musick not a Sin to use the Helps of Nature and lawful Art though to institute Sacraments of our own And that as it is lawful to use the comfortable help of Spectacles in reading the Bible so is it of Musick to exhilarate the Soul towards God Jesus Christ joyned with the Jews that used it no Scripture forbiddeth it nothing can be against it that I know of And whereas some say they find it doth them harm as wise men say they find it doth them good And why should the Experience of some prejudiced self-conceited Person or of an half-man that knoweth not what Melody is be set against the Experience of all others and deprive them of all such Helps and Mercies as these People say they find no benefit by It is a great wrong that some do to ignorant Christians by putting such Whimsies and Scruples into their heads c. P. 885. That it is lawful to make Vows of Chastity Vows of Chastity and that such Vows though amongst the Papists ought not to be broke P. 488. To use Crucifixes That a Crucifix or Historical Image of Christ is lawful to excite and stir up in us Worshipping Affections And that a Crucifix well befits the imagination and mind of a Believer P. 876. That the Romish Clergy may be reputed true Ministers of Christ by vertue of their Ordination P. 775. That their erroneous saying of Mass or Preaching their erroneous Doctrines Popish Clergy Christ's Ministers doth not nullisy their office to the Church no though they derive from Antichrist the Head thereof who sits not in the Temple of God as Antichrist but as God and so not an open but a secret Deceiver p. 776. And that neither the Ordinati●● ●n Baptism that they confer are to be esteemed Nullities Page 777. That it is not necessary to believe that the Pope is Antichrist ibid. To read Apocrypha and Homelies c. That it is lawful to read the Apocrypha Homilies or any good book in the Church besides the Scriptures p. 901. to read a Prayer p. 848. That there is a Praying to Saints or Angels Praying to Saints which is Superstitions but not Idolatrous Rev. 22.8 Col. 1.18 That it is lawful to bow at the name of Jesus p. 858. To stand up at the Gospel p. 858. Romish Rites To kneel at the reading the