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A17505	A replie vnto a certaine libell, latelie set foorth by Fa: Parsons, in the name of vnited priests, intituled, A manifestation of the great folly and bad spirit, of certaine in England, calling themselues seculer priestes VVith an addition of a table of such vncharitable words and phrases, as by him are vttered in the said treatise, aswell against our parsons, as our bookes, actions, and proceedings.	Clark, William, d. 1603.; Barneby, Francis. aut; Clarionet, William, attributed name.	1603 (1603)	STC 4321; ESTC S107159	173,407	232

life or friends will ensue I am not onely patronized therein to defend my selfe friends and Country opposing my selfe against such euils but also am bound thereto Neither therein can I iustly be said to resist or impugne the Catho Religion or defend heresie in that I onely stand directly for that which the law of nature bindeth me vnto And if any hinderance thereby of Cath Religion should follow it were not to be imputed vnto me not intending any such impeachment or damage to Gods Church nor doing any act which of it selfe tendeth to any such end Secondly it is well knowne vnto me that Christ hath left other meanes by preaching teaching and good example of life for the conuersion of Infidels Hereticks or sinners and to me it is not knowne that Christes will is that my Countrey shall be conuerted by the sword and not by his word and such other holy meanes Yea it rather appeareth vnto me that our relapsed Country is to be conuerted by the way and meanes that Christ himselfe and his Apostles vsed and not by such bloody and desperate courses Therefore I may and am bound rather to cleaue vnto that meane then to any other extreame or vnnaturall enterprises Thirdly we see by practise that GOD hath euer disfauoured such attempts to the admirable preseruation both of her Maiestie and our Country which may giue vs iust cause to think that God is not pleased with such violent courses Fourthly whatsoeuer cause may be in a forrainer or in the Pope himselfe to impugne or inuade our country which may make his quarrell iust and lawfull on his part yet am not I to take notice thereof Yea though the cause were euidently iust in my knowledge and conscience yet I am not bound to leaue my countrey and assist him For the common good of my country and weale thereof is to be preferred before the particuler right of any person vvhatsoeuer And hereupon it falleth out that many times the inuader or oppugner hath iust cause to inuade with armes and therein doth no iniustice and yet for all that on the contrarie side the defendants may iustly by force of armes keepe defend themselues and countrey from such hostile incursions their liberties and country beeing more deere vnto them then the righting of any particuler parson For if a priuate person possessing goods or lands in controuersie be not bound in conscience to forsake them and deliuer them vp vnto the owners who by sentence of law hath recouered them vntill such time as by execution of the ciuill Magistrats or sherieffe the possession thereof be giuen from him what reason is there that a whole country wherein alwaies are many innocents not guilty of any iust cause of such oppressions should yeeld vp their rights and become slaues and vassalles to forrainers loosing the rights and priuiledges of their country But you will say vnto me that neyther the Pope is a forrayner in respect of his authority and dominion extending ouer the whole world neither is this cause beeing Catholicke religion his particuler right but the right which ought to be in euery creature To the first I aunswer that notwithstanding that the Pope according to his spirituall authority might be said to be no forrainer yet if he come as an Inuader vnder what pretence soeuer hee may be said to vs a forrayner in that his power consisteth of forrainers and cruell souldiers by whose villanie many miseries and oppressions were sure to light vppon innocents and vtter spoyle vpon our whole country Neyther were I bound to belieue the Pope though hee should affirme the contrary because the wills of souldiers by whō such villanies and oppressions would be committed could not be in his power And therefore I say that if the Pope could bring Christ with him in person or an army of Angels whereby we might be assured that reformation should follow without oppressions or extreame miseries and calamities then we might take part with him but if he come with an armie of men and such men as souldiers are whom all villanies follow he must not blame vs if to auoyd such euils we sticke to the law of nature and defend our selues our Prince and country And heereupon it is that we say wee be perswaded that priests of what order soeuer ought not by force of armes to plant or water the Catholick faith but in spiritu lenitatis et mansuetudinis to propagate and defend it considering the inconueniences which follow armes and inuasions and the little fruit that commeth thereof or the small number of Catholicks that arise thereby so little good example of vertue beeing giuen by souldiers especially Spaniards Yet by the way I may not omit to note againe Father Pars his perfidious dealing in displacing of the word defend saying that no priests ought to plant water or defend vvhich followeth not in our sentence For a man may by armes somtimes defend a thing got which by armes he could not iustlie get As for example Munks or religious men may not get themselues Monasteries or lands by force of armes but hauing iustly got them otherwise and hauing an absolute authoritie within their precincts they may by force keepe them from such forrainers as vniustly inuade thē if otherwise they cannot So may and ought religious men and priests to defend catholick countries from the incursions of the Turke Infidels or hereticks as oft times they haue done But it followeth not therfore that they may goe into the countreys of Infidels in hostile manner with armes onely to plant the catholick faith by force But this is after the old fashion of Fa Parsons iust dealings I could heere vrge him with an obiection which would please him but a little to wit that if euery man be bound to assist the Pope inuading as he would haue him it is for that the cause he pretendeth is iust And then doe I say secundum magis et minus that not onely the Pope but euery Prince or other person comming with force of Armes into any Countrey is to be receaued and assisted by the inhabitants and subiects of the Country if his cause be knowne to be iust vnder payne of deadly sinne Which if it be true why then did not his great Maiestie of Spayne in Paule the fourths time restore Naples vnto the sea of Rome when as Caraff inuaded the same with force of armes The world will say and the Pope himselfe will affirme that he hath more right thereto then the Spaniard how chaunced it then that hee kept it by force frō the Pope still doth See what confusion would follow Fa Parsons doctrine But he will say that religion is not onely a matter of iustice but also of necessity binding all men thereunto To this I aunswer that though it be a thing of necessity yet is not this necessity of force or compulsion but vpon election as Christ left it and euery man hath in his free will whether hee vvill accept

A REPLIE VNTO a certaine Libell latelie set foorth by Fa Parsons in the name of vnited Priests intituled A manifestation of the great folly and bad spirit of certaine in England calling themselues seculer Priestes With an addition of a Table of such vncharitable words and phrases as by him are vttered in the said Treatise aswell against our parsons as our bookes actions and proceedings ¶ Pro iustitia agonizare pro anima tua et vsque ad mortem certâ pro iustitia et Deus expugnabit pro te inimicos tuos Ecclesiast cap. 4. ¶ Noli esse humilis in sapientia tua ne humiliatus in stultitiam seducaris Ibidem cap. 13. ❧ Justitiae et innocentiae permissu Anno Dom. 1603. The Epistle to the Priests said to be vnited with the Archpriest * ⁎ * REuerend and my deere bretheren whom with my soule I loue and honour with my hart I cannot but be sory to see you so vniustly abused by the slights and cunning deuises of the Iesuits and more to see you whom wisedome and discretion should make perfect and expert in the affaires of our poore afflicted Church so applaude their proceedings that worke your bane or at the least by holding your peace to approoue such actions in them as tend to the ouerthrow of your selues Tell mee I beseech you in your owne vnderstandings are you not highly abused in bearing the name of these two late Libells viz. the Apologie and Manifestation in both which not onely the honour of priesthood is impeached and our whole Cleargie disgraced debased and sought to be held in slauery and subiection to the Iesuits theyr creatures but also such vndutifull actions and practises as haue beene attempted by them or any other Catholicke from the beginning of her Maiesties raigne vntill this day are maintained defended excused or iustified whereby your liues are engaged as accessary to all treasons plots practises done or attempted against our Soueraigne and Country by such parsons in that to approue defend or maintaine any action is as you knowe to make the approuer defender and maintainer accessary thereto iudge then what cause you haue to thanke such Maisters for this theyr good office in laying snares to entrappe you withall and thinke whether this deuise be not a plot of purpose to bring you into as great obloquy with your Prince as through theyr own vndutifull practises they haue brought themselues thereby to turne the sword of persecution vpon all as heeretofore for some particuler mens offences Deere brethren if you regard not the wrongs and oppressions doone to vs your brethren and neerer vnto you in all right of reason then the Iesuits are if you regard not the deiection and oppression of your Cleargie which they violently seeke if you respect not theyr actions and attempts against your natiue country and neerest friends yet regard your selues respect your owne liues haue a care to the common and generall good of altogether insiduated and betrayed by them disclaime from such actions wherein you haue no part neither desire I thinke to haue I know your harts to be loyall let them not be stained by a false imputation from a deceitfull Iesuit Beleeue me her Maiestie dooth make difference betwixt practisers in matters of state and religion and therefore suffer not your names to be brought into question for such odious dealings by the cunning policies of Fa. Parsons inrowling thē to the approbations of such hatefull trecheries And if there were n● difference at all made as I know there is yet were it glorious to die a Cath priest in profession of the Cath fayth without taint or imputation of those foule crimes But some of you happily may be ignorant how farre you are abused in this kinde vouchsafe but the reading ouer of this reply to the latter Libell you shall easily perceiue more danger to be couched therein then you are aware of and thereby see the better what wrong is offered you in publishing the same in your names If in the perusing hereof any word may seeme ouer-sharpe which yet I haue endeuoured to auoyde consider I beseech you the deformity of some matters vniustly vncharitably auerred against vs that all such sharpe words touch onely one man the Author of these iniurious Libels and Architect of this whole businesse and then I hope you will with more ease yeeld pardon to such excesse If any other faults eyther in stile or defectiue handling of matters obiected occur beare with the author this beeing his first worke and hudled vp in hast without such helpes as longer time might haue affoorded him yeelding him in all things as fauourable a censure as you may who is ready to protest in the sincerity of a Catholicke priest that neyther malice anger passion nor desire of reuenge drew him to vndertake this worke but onely a sincere opinion of iustice and innocencie so much impugned by Fa Parsons in defence wherof hee thought himselfe bound as well in respect of the common cause as his owne particuler interest therein to shew his best indeuours Your friend and brother VV. C. ❧ The Preface generall to Catholickes COurteous and beneuolent Catholicks I present here vnto you a reply vnto a certaine Libell intituled A manifestation of the great folly and bad spirit of certaine in England calling themselues seculer Priests which happening into my hands I diligently red ouer hauing without passion perused it and with indifferencie as to my selfe seemed poysing and considering as well the matter deliuered with the forme and manner of the deliuery as also the verity thereof I could not but a little wonder to see a man so mightily inueigh against passion and bitter writing in others shewing so much choler passion yea and impatience as hee doth here And did I not descry the Author thereof to be one particuler Parson not many priests vnder whose names falsly yea and vncharitably it is published thereby to bring them into obloquy with their Prince and state vnto whom the Iesuits practises in state matters heere defended are odious I should much admire to see so palpable vntruths defended so manifest vniust actions maintained and such apparant verities with such boldnes denied but the worke proceeding frō the party it doth hammered in the forge it was I could expect no other then I found therefore my wonder was the lesse and my admiration sooner at an end For why the man is well knowne to be of such a naturall disposition as that if he once enter into any course he will with infinite violence prosecute the same Vpon which headstrong cariage irremouable wilfulnes many straines you know and ouerstrainings must needs follow and many fained inuentions with concealements of truthes yea and in the end open impugnations of verities the better to iustifie former proceedings least happily otherwise the fault might seeme too light where it may in no case be indured Pardon mee deere Catholickes in deliuering the truth with

like In these consist the beauty of the Catho Church and Religion and not in any arme of man or sword of flesh as all men I think will confesse But see now his fidelity In the place of this sentence set the promise made to S. Peter is her sure ground and is more dishonoured with treasons c. He putteth downe these words The promise made to S. Peter is a sure sufficient ground to defend Catho Religion without armes Who would thinke a religious man would deale so falsly in relating one poore sentence verily if he were not a Iesuit I would think it impossible What vncōscionable dealing is it in him to add vnto our words sufficient therby to make apparance as though we excluded all meanes else of preseruation of Gods Church but onely relying vpon that promise to S. Peter without any other indeauours Would he haue the world to think vs so simple as that we doe not know that God vseth secondarie meanes and mens particuler indeauours both for the aduancement of his Church as also the continuance thereof as well as he did for the Sinagogue of the Iewes Or will hee make it a necessary consequent because we exclude treasons and wicked policies of carnall men therefore we exclude all honest iust and lawfull meanes of defending or propagating of Gods cause How doth this follow vnlesse there be no other meanes but by treasons and wicked policies which none but wicked persons will affirme and such as will make treasons and wicked policies acceptable sacrifices vnto Christ as though God delighted in wickednes or had neede of such meanes to defend what he hath erected in manu forti et brachio excelso No no wee say further to confirme our former proposition that although God doth vse second causes in diuers his works and the helpe or concurrence of man in the aduauncing of his Church yet is his promise made to S. Peter so sure a ground that if it were possible that all mens indeauours should surcease yet should not his Church faile Ipse enim dixit for he hath said it shall not faile nor hell gates preuaile against it And further wee affirme to strengthen and stablish the second part that treasons and wicked policies of men are so farre from aduauncing Gods cause that both he and his cause are much disgraced he dishonoured and his cause much hindered thereby Now let Fa Parsons preferre these propositions to the Inquisition and we will be defendants and yet in all things submit our selues actions and words vnto the iudgements of Christes spouse as willingly and readily as any Iesuit or Christian else by Gods grace in the world Furthermore also he foysteth these words in the taile of our sentence to defend Catho Religion without armes which are his owne additions and no words of ours These vnfaithfull dealings cannot hold out God will not be mocked with his iuglings and shiftings truth will be seene doe what Fa Parsons can doe with all his cunning shifts To conclude therefore vpon the ground layed we say againe and with as great cōfidence affirme as before that all arguments brought to the contrary of this we haue said whether by the Iesuits or any other disloyall subiect they be mere vntrue Sophistications and therefore not to be beleeued And as for the labour which Fa Parsons hath bestowed in citing of authors hee hath done but as Ma Lyster did in his Libell of schisme labour about a matter not in controuersie alwayes flying the true point of difference betwixt vs. For in all the worke of Important considerations the Popes indirect authority in temporalibus is not called in question nor any one word spoken thereof neither is the power of deposing Princes examined or medled with-all onely therein we complaine of treasonable practises and attempts against our Prince and state by some of her disloyall subiects of false subordinations and informations to his Holines whereby some Popes haue been drawne to consent and enter into such inconuenient courses And what we speake of resisting the Pope is not in respect of his ecclesiasticall authority whereof we onely speake but of hostile inuasion against which to defend our selues and Country we are taught by the very law of nature without respect of person or intention of the Inuader as I shall shew manifestly in the aunswer to that poynt obiected By this you may see whether the reasons and authorities alledged by Fa Parsons be not sophistications and false arguments as he vrgeth them and draweth conclusions from them in that he proceedeth vpon a false ground and maketh therevpon vntrue illations Because forsooth the Pope hath indirectam potestatem etiam in temporalibus according to the common opinion that is such power as is necessary for the reformation of the subiects of Christes Church therefore if he goe about to transferre gentem in gentem which is onely a power belonging vnto almighty God or to inuade with weapons in hostile manner he is not to be resisted This is the conclusion he would and must inferre vpon the reasons and authorities alledged by him or else he proueth nothing against vs. VVhich conclusion how false and absurd it is both against the law of Nature and common practise of the world I leaue euery man of wit and wisedom to iudge Now whereas in the 4. point he vrgeth against vs these words that if the Pope should come in person with an Armie where we are vnder pretence to establish catholick Religion by force we would oppose our selues against him and spend the best blood in our bodies in that quarrell c. and termeth it a braue and resolute protestation against the Pope This fellow was ashamed to relate what we had spoken concerning our obedience and loue to the Sea Apostolick immediatly before which was that if eyther his Holines should come in person or send some Damianus or Augustine c. we would lye at his or their feete and defend with them the Catholicke fayth by sacred Scripture and authority of the Church though it cost vs our liues This saying which cannot but shew our sincerity towards Gods Church and Vicar generall to all charitable men this good Fa left out of purpose snatching onely at our heeles like a Cur and taking the ends of speeches to cōment vpon at his pleasure But to shew you that Fa Parsons cunning wit cannot infringe our protestation as hee termeth it of resisting the Pope if he come with Armes to inuade though with pretence of Religion you shall vnderstand first that as wee haue often said euery man is bound by the law of Nature to defend his life his Country and freedome of both Vpon which irrefragable ground I doe inferre this sequell that if any man in the world vnder what pretence so euer doe enter the bounds of my Country with fire and sword in hostile manner by which of necessity spoile of my Country subuersion of the state oppression of Innocents losse of my

the conditions of security to be giuen vnto the Queene concerning her person and state which they perhaps are vnwilling to be drawne vnto considering thereby all their plots and practises should be cut of Neyther happily wil the State trust them in whom it hath found such trecherie by reason of their mutuall bond wherein they are all tyed to follow the direction of Fa Parsons the Archeplotter of state practises against our Prince and Countrey And to proue this part concerning the Iesuits affection towards toleration Fa Parsons their ring-leader and square to the rest openly in Rome before the Scholers as diuers will testifie against him made a long speech against toleration of Religion in England in that as he said Cath thereby would grow cold and lose their feruencie they had got by persecution See whether the motion of toleration was like to proceede from these me● and yet he insinuateth some motiue vnto her Maiestie and the Counsell to deale with him or his party because forsooth we being deuided as he sayth haue little credite By this also indirectly you may perceaue his minde to toleration in Religion or any benefit to Cath seeing he disgraceth to his power such as deale for their good when he knoweth that her Maiestie and Counsell will not trust him or any of his faction in whom they haue found so much sedition But to proceede with the rest of this Chapter Fa Parsons would haue you in the beginning wonder at our friends confidence in Cath Countries in that they durst not goe to the Nuncio in Flaunders without a pasport But he might more iustly haue told you that our confidence in him and his fellow Iesuits was such that our friends durst not commit themselues into their hands For if they had so done they had all beene layed fast for euer comming at Rome the Iesuits had so earnestly practised with the Spanish Embassadour against them affirming that they were enemies vnto the King and I know not what In so much that notwithstanding their pasport the Embassador came posting down about them and Fa Baldwine Doct Cesar Clement and others ranne with open mouth against them to the Nuncio whereby one of them as it is knowne had like to haue been taken by a policy if he had been in his Inne His horse was seised on vntill the Nuncio sent for the Gouernour and gaue him a checke Consider then whether they had not cause to feare the Iesuits whose irreligious oppressions our former messengers had once tasted before But more of this wil be sayd in another treatise And as for their telling the Nuncio that they were in feare to come vnto him it was true they said so and gaue their reasons not as fa Parsons setteth them downe but that we had beene oft prouoked by our Archpriest vnto him and threatned with him by these words that he the Archpriest had beaten vs with roddes but the Nuncio would beate vs with scorpions These only were the reasons giuen to the Nuncio which were most true And for the breve and his Commission to end the matter our Messengers vvere content and did referre themselues vnto him Whereupon he writ to the Archpriest to appeare by himselfe or Proctors and the Doctor staied in Paris to meete them But the Archp refused as seemed for he neuer appeared one way or other vntill his two Agents some monthes after went ouer to be his Proctors in Rome who passed indeed by the low countries but what they did there wee know not Onely it vvas said that beeing before the Nuncio they could not deliuer their tale and that the Iesuits were ashamed of them Insomuch that one of the Iesuits of that Country demaunded if the Archpriest had no more sufficient men in England to send about his affaires This was reported whether it be true or no I will not auerre Touching the Breve the Nuncio plainly told our brethren that he had but a Copie thereof and that the Archp had the originall sent him long before marueyling as he said that he had not published it adding further vnto them that they were not bound to take notice thereof sith the Archpriest had not divulged it And whereas Fa Parsons saith that our friends beeing at Doway were exclaimed against by the Rector seniors there it is a manifest vntruth They found nothing but kindnes at their hands For English men of worth abroade I thinke fa Parsons cannot name one that exclaimed against theyr iourney But I am sure that all of reconing haue euer exclaimed against his vnconscionable practises as well lay Gentlemen Nobles as of the Clergie and he can name very few of esteeme of either sorts which haue not complained against him As touching his reports written concerning a toleration vpon condition the Iesuits and Archpriest should be recalled I would it were true And if hee had respect to the common cause he would wish so to but they vse more to regard their priuate interest then any publicke good Concerning the matter of schisme he writeth three vntruthes in three or foure lines First that Lysters Libell was neuer published secondly that soone after it came forth it was recalled by the Archpriest at the attonement Heere are involued two falshoods first that the attonement was soone after the divulging of that Libell there beeing a full yeere betwixt them secondly that then it was recalled which is a lie for hee promised onely the matter should neuer be vrged and that the Treatise should die but he neuer performed eyther of those conditions Thirdly that it could not be said to infame any which is an impudent assertion aboue 30. de facto being defamed by it and so held and practised against thereupon besides an hundreth at the least of neuters fauourers whom it concerned But to leaue these apparant vntruthes his best refuges let vs come at length to Card Sega his Catalogue or Memoriall alleaged against the scholers of Rome Fa Parsons noteth the causes of those tumults in Rome to haue been raised vppon the same causes against the same persons that these heere in England haue beene and therein we yeeld hee saith truly And for the persons to wit the Iesuits wee agree with him that as they were the men impugned by them there so are they also by vs heere Touching the cause also which he ascribeth to liberty and freedome from subiection as such liberty and freedome excludeth tyranny oppressions vniust insultations of the Iesuits wee likewise graunt it but as he maliciously cōmenteth vpon it with hatred of order discipline and superioritie we say and will conuince him that hee speaketh of malice and against his knowledge For hee cannot denie but that the scholers in Rome excepting iustly against theyr violent tyrannie and oppressions offered notwithstanding to admit of all the bonds and rules whereto any of themselues were bound by their order their vowes excepted and to tye themselues to the obseruance thereof during their