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A17505 A replie vnto a certaine libell, latelie set foorth by Fa: Parsons, in the name of vnited priests, intituled, A manifestation of the great folly and bad spirit, of certaine in England, calling themselues seculer priestes VVith an addition of a table of such vncharitable words and phrases, as by him are vttered in the said treatise, aswell against our parsons, as our bookes, actions, and proceedings. Clark, William, d. 1603.; Barneby, Francis. aut; Clarionet, William, attributed name. 1603 (1603) STC 4321; ESTC S107159 173,407 232

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vniust and vncharitable iniuries vexations wrought thereby may not very vnfitly be applied to himselfe For the deuill where he commeth is alwaies busie thrusting the party on to mischiefe and the greater more mischiefe a man doth the more doe we suppose the deuill to be busie with him Now hee that shall consider fa Parsons continuall contentions from the beginning with all men euen of his owne order as hath beene shewed as also his mighty and great attempts in matters of state whereby hath risen great vexations of innocent Catholicks his detestable diffamations not onely of our poore scholers in Rome but also of our whole nation in them his setting of our quiet Cleargie together by the eares a worke proper to the deuill with infinite wrongs to particuler men may tell me at leysure whether the parable of the vncleane spirit seauen more returning might not be retorted vpon himselfe But we rather wish his reformation then any such oppressions of seauen spirits as vncharitably he chargeth vs with His speech of S. Hillary proficit semper c. might also be returned to the manifesting of his owne follies daily more more in that notwithstanding the euidencie of our cause proued by vs and still by him reproued he still opposeth him selfe which in the end will prooue wilful indiscretion Also his often commending of himselfe and vrging of his owne good deedes and benefits done to vs argueth no great wisedome Sure I am that many of vs neither euer saw or tasted of his great bounty but many haue felt the smart of his exorbitant actions But to passe ouer this trifling induced thereunto by his example in the progresse of his discourse hee canuaseth an humble and good religious peticion of Ma. Watsons wherin hee desireth charitable remembrance of his poore sinfull soule in such sort as he sheweth very little charity or religion rather scoffing at the speech with words of disdaine as sinfull sudds c then otherwise And when hee commeth to his person he bewrayeth no small enuie and gall by describing him with such disdaine so falsly also as all men that know him may see that it seemeth it grieued him that hee vvas made a man and within the number of reasonable creatures Afterward and conformable heereunto doth he goe about to taxe his minde an higher enuy then the former with a vaine bragge and proude assertion of the Iesuits in generall as men of contrary life spirit iudgement will workes and manners to him by a sequell as it were involuing suspicions as vsually the Iesuits doe of I know not what imaginations of disorderly life most falsly and most vncharitably But let fa Parsons temper this kinde of suspicious and vncharitable writing or wee will promise him we will open such matters of his holy bretheren as shall make both him and them ashamed thereof Yet are wee not willing to rippe vp the liues of any knowing that the infirmities of euery Christian should rather be pittied and relieued by prayer then reioyced at or reuealed as the Iesuits vse to doe in what they can by all that oppose theyr proceedings discrediting the persons of those whose cause they cannot infringe which is a tricke rather of a Machiuilian then a good Christian This course wee haue hetherto auoyded as all men can witnes neuer entring into the particuler liues of any Iesuit or fauourite of theirs and wee wish not to be vrged vnto it against our wills by such kinde of dealings least happily fa Parsons and all his company repent that they euer prouoked vs therevnto After his vncharitable descriptions of his body mind he falleth to flat railing against him calling him a lost ladde the staine of his religion and order permitted by God and vsed by the deuill and the like vncharitable stuffe with no lesse vncharitable surmises of his peace made with my L. of London as though it had beene for some trechery or other All which calumniations discouer enuie malice without reason For it is well knowne by such as dealt for him that his peace was made vpon honest conditions and most lawfull and that he stoode both nice and scrupulous about the admittance of the offer at the first which argueth that it was neither sought by himselfe nor accepted vpon any base or vnlawfull conditions Besides it is well knowne that since his comming in and his peace made hee hath done much good as well to diuers in particuler yea and some of the Iesuits friends who little deserued it at his hands if hee had respected persons or sought to requite wrongs as also to the good of all the Catholicks in generall And whereas father Parsons noteth out of Cominaeus that in time of sedition the worst men grow fastest who in a quiet state should not be respected it seemeth to be a great touch of his owne credite who as wee haue noted before neuer loued in his life to be out of factions and garboyles raysing and maintayning tumults in all places in the world amongst English Catholicks wheresoeuer hee came and continuallie tempering in our English affayres as well against our prince state and whole country as our Clergie Colledges both which he and his haue tossed and turmoiled from time to time with such seditious plots practises and garboyles that it is a world to consider his busie working humor in these affaires By which meanes chiefely hee hath made himselfe famous and infamous to the world See how well father Parsons hath profited by his example out of Cominaeus For Ma. Watson all men know that he hath been in very great esteem amongst Catholicks abroade before these troubles more then now he is by reason of the Iesuits good words against him calling him into suspicion and iealousie of trechery in respect of his supposed peace made with the state which argueth that he hath not so much growne by trouble or factions as indeede Fa Parsons hath done After all this to shew more his particuler malice against him hee runneth backe vnto his first going beyond the seas and his comming to Rhemes whether comming as hee sayth a poore begging boy he was taken in of charity and his first allowance was for a good time pottage onely and licking the dishes which other men had emptied before and afterwards was admitted to serue at the Table and carry away dishes and then to make beds and such other offices in which kinde hee serued one Ma Boast a Priest c. All this he spitteth out against Ma. Watson wherein you may note a particuler malice against the man as he shewed before in the Apologie against Ma. Doct. Bagshawe For you must note that those alwayes that most stand in this Fathers way on them he layeth loade as if all his powers were recollected to wreake his teene as the saying is or worke reuenge But this kinde of fashion will sooner discouer his malice amongst wise men then procure him credite in his raylings For if
too much ●auour of An other vntruth alledged by him in this chapter is that we affirme that his holines hath no authoritie to moue war for religion against any temporall Prince This is a manifest lye for his temporall authority concerning this point was not examined by vs as I haue shewed aboue After this in the 77. page follow three vntruths conioyned as in one that we perswade all the world that all is sedition conspiracie rebellion amongst Catholicks in England and not matter of religion that vvee make them the true Authors and occasioners of all theyr owne trouble vexations and dangers by theyr owne indiscreet and temerarious actions and that we also iustifie the cause of the Persecutors and lay the fault vppon the persecuted All these are so manifest forgeries as impudencie it selfe without a brazen visage could not auerre it wee manifestly excusing the body of Priests and Cath and laying the fault onely vppon some particuler persons where the true fault was indeed thereby to shew the wrongs and iniuries that generally Cath and Priests haue sustayned without iust cause onely excusing the Queene and state by ignorance not knowing the difference betweene the innocent and guilty and not iustifying thei●●ard proceedings For it is one thing to excuse a fault and another thing to iustifie the same yea we doe say that the extremity of affliction exceeded in our opinions the measure of the faults But to denie occasions to haue beene giuen by Fa Parsons and his complices and some other also who wee wish had beene better aduised we cannot vnlesse we had as shamelesse countenances as perhaps he frameth to himselfe when he denieth such apparant verities And the same lye is iterated againe in the page following to wit that we make sufferings in England not to be for conscience but for practising against the Prince and state I doe greatly feare he wil proue in the end to haue Laesam imaginationem in these matters framing to himselfe a conceite that all the calumniations which hee can deuise against vs must be true because hee so dreameth Another vntruth is in the 79. page that we haue sent to offer our selues to the King of Scots which is onely spoke of malice to bring vs into suspition and iealousie with our own state at home a thing he vehemently laboureth to doe by all the meanes he can vse as well by lyes and disgraces as by his example of Constantius alledged by him out of Eusebius and Sozomenus you may perceaue which testimonie in very truth doth more properly agree vnto himselfe in that he hauing beene an open professed enemie vnto her Maiestie alwayes yet to purchase her fauour and his credit with her againe wrote a letter some few yeeres past vnto her Highnes a fact of no small presumption offering her his seruice and that he would giue her intelligence out of all parts of Europe what was intended against her and her estate This Letter in his owne hand hath been shewed vnto some of our friends who know his hand as well as himselfe that he may not say it was counterfeited which yet if hee doe I think no man of wit or vnderstanding will thinke probable For what aduantage should her Maiestie or the state get by counterfetting a Letter of Parsons to such a vaine effect If you will say to disgrace him I verily thinke and assure my selfe that her Maiestie and the Counsell no more regard the poore fellowes credit or discredit then you regard your old shooes And in reason doe but thinke whether it is probable that so mighty a Prince and so great a state should respect so meane a fellow I verily thinke he is altogether forgot of them but when as at some times his practises make him infamous to them as the burning of Diana her temple made the obscure Cripple to be talked of By this you may see how fitly Constans his example may be applied to himselfe or to the conceite of her Maiestie and the state But as touching vs his malice cannot reach to his scope her Maiestie and the State know well that as to them wee professe our selues most loyall and faithfull in word and action so stand we most resolute in the profession of our faith loyaltie to God and his Church which God assisting vs wee will continue Another lying inuention of his owne is that we haue deuised a new discourse about Succession and haue dealt another way in England for the intitling of the Crowne more to the tast as he sayeth of some great personages of our estate This malicious falshoode he hath inuented newly to bring vs into iealousie and suspition and thereby hatred to his Maiestie of Scotland See how this Robin good-fellowe playeth his part on all sides to worke mischiefe and contention But hee shall neuer finde such shuffling dealing in vs about matters that concerne vs not as himselfe hath practised First he began with the Scottish title affirming difference in Religion no sufficient cause of barre in right to a Kingdome as you may see in Greenecoate or Leisters Common-wealth howsoeuer now hee inueigh against his Maiesties title onely for Religion Then hee practised with the Prince of Parma to haue his sonne Ranutius marry to L. Arbella thereby to fortifie his title deriued from the house of Portugall And lastly he practised with the Spaniard and hath intitled his daughter the Infanta These haue beene his mutable iuglings by which his Cath Maiestie might see how sure a staffe he hath of him who hath runne through so many titles euer shifting to the greatest as occasions doe require And I am perswaded that hee will returne againe to his Maiestie of Scotland or any other if he see them likelyer once to winne the spurres then the Spaniard Now as he maketh no conscience to slaunder vs thereby to worke our discredits to the vttermost of his power so to fortifie his falshoods against vs he doth arrogate vnto himselfe and his whatsoeuer good and laudable action is done by any of vs or our friends As for example the motion of a toleration and mitigation of extremities in cause of Religion knowne to be first effectually proposed by Ma Bluet and Ma Clarkes meanes and as well the petition as instructions there-vpon with informations of the manner of ease desired drawne by them and put into the hands of such of worth discretion and wit as prosecuted the same this I say he arrogateth to his fauorites and friends though I know that some of them did in many places inueigh against the ●ute and auerted men as much as in them lay from harkning thereto framing strange falshoods and lyes about our intentions and the action it selfe And I am halfe perswaded that if the Iesuits had not beene the matter had found better successe For it is well knowne that they haue alwaies beene enemies to all toleracions in Religion because they think that they should perhaps be expelled or forced to retire themselues vpon