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A16163 A friendlie communcication or dialogue betweene Paule and Damas wherein is disputed how we are to vse the pleasures of this life. By Samuel Byrd, Master of Art, and fellow not long since of Benet Colledge. Bird, Samuel, d. 1604. 1580 (1580) STC 3086; ESTC S102321 65,647 186

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ladie The woman must set out hir bodie and minse it farre vnséemelie either for the bashfull modestie of a virgin or the chast behauiour of a married woman A man maie suppose in déede that fire and flaxe maie be together without anie daunger But what a straunge fondnesse is this Wée condemne the popish Pharesies of intollerable pride for lifting vp the power of man and for saieng that they are able to keepe themselues from anie sinne And yet we thinke our selues so strong that we maie delight our eies with gasing vpon anie woman that we maie beholde anie kinde of wanton looke or light iesture whatsoeuer without anie harme done or anie wicked thought so much as once conceiued thereby either of the dauncers themselues or the lookers on If we thought not our selues so strong whie would we suffer such prouocations which are as bellowes to inflame the hearts of young men and to set on fire the heartes of young women towardes them againe He that loueth daunger must néeds fall into it And the diuell knoweth that temptations come no waie so forceablie to our fancie as by the eiesight And therefore he did not tempt Christ by describing vnto him in manie wordes the glorie of the world but he taketh him vp on high and sheweth it him he knew Math. 4. that this was the better waie The courtier confesseth that a wanton loke is of greater force to ingēder filthilie lust which he calleth loue then a thousand words The godlie man Iob knowing the weaknesse of man how great it was had alwaies a godlie suspition of himselfe and was so farre from vsing trifling wordes or light gestures towards anie woman that hée made a couenant with his Iob. 31. eies least by looking wistlie vppon hir he should thinke on a maide How dare anie of vs then giue ouer our selues to daunsing where such light gestures are not onelie vsed but also openlie professed Howe Esaie 3. 16. can wée beholde the stretched out neckes and the wandering eies but that as Salomon saith wée shall bée in as great daunger as one that sléepeth in the middest of the sea and as he that sléepeth in the top of a mast And yet hée that shall finde fault with vs for it is a new fangled fellowe nothing can please Pro. 23. 34. him In other thinges we will easilie graunt the force of temptations by our eie-sight sée for your loue saie the merchaunts and bye for your moneie They knowe by looking vpon their wares we are sooner brought to bye them and therefore the thriftie husband giueth counsell to kéepe purse at market onelie in this thing we will acknowledge no such matter Demas Yet we read that godlie women haue daunced And Dauid Exo. 15. 20. a man according to God his owne heart did daunce Paule The modest and sober daunsing that godlie women vsed a part by themselues after some notable victorie to giue thanks therefore ought to be no cloke for our wanton daunsing For we count it no sport except men women daunce together wherby is easilie perceiued the filthy ende of our dauncing Dauid daunced in déede but is his dauncing and ours anie thing like Dauid lift vs his bodie and daunced before the Arke because béeing a signe of the fauourable presence of God it was brought home from the Philistines vnto the people of God againe But marke I praie you what the text saith Michol sawe his dauncing and mocked him belike it was no courtlie daunce for then it should haue pleased hir well inough And Dauid aunswering hir 1. Sam 6. mockes saith I will be yet more vile then thus and will be lowe in mine owne sight We vse to braue it and to shewe our selues as gallant as maie be in our dauncing But Dauid abased himselfe in his dauncing and for this cause was he contentemned of Michol He chose no wanton Dame to daunce withall neither daunced hée after anie vaine Heathenish song but after a Psalme of thankesgiuing Neuer compare Dauid his daunsing with ours for there is no more likelihood betwéene them then is betwéene heauen and hell Dauid caused not so manie instruments to be made to serue God his glorie as we doe to serue our wanton lusts as the prophet Amos telleth vs. So that if we will haue our daunsing approued of the Lord we must vse some other kinde For I dare boldlie saie vpon my reasons alleadged the word of God is my warrant that the daunsing we now vse is abhominable Those that are desirons to heare more of this matter maie read a learned treatise written in French and dedicated by the French Ministers of the reformed Churches vnto the king of Nauarre the argument whereof is altogether against our filthie kinde of daunsing Of Dice and Card-plaie Chap. 5. DEmas You haue prooued that we offend in daunsing not onelie as we doe in hunting and hawking by vsing of it too much but that we offend if we vse our wanton kinde of daunsing at all Ther be other things wherein I would gladlie haue your iudgement but that I am afraid I haue troubled you too long alreadie I told you when I came I would make you wearie of me before I went and I am afraid I haue bene as good as my word Paule Naie trulie sir you doe not trouble me and therefore I praie you doe not thinke so we méete you knowe but seldome and therefore I wold be loth to part from you so soone Demas Séeing you will néedes haue mée trouble you I will goe forward with that which I was about to speak Among all games that are vsed Dice and Cardplaie are worse reported of then anie other kinde of game and yet is no other of game vsed halfe so much Either gamesters themselues for vsing this game are much to blame or els those that giue it so euill a report I praie sir how thinke you Paule I will tell you Demas if we will well marke the riotous and outragious dice and card-plaie that hath spread it sElfe and now ouerfloweth euerie part of the land If I saie we shal way with our selues vprightlie the innumerable sleights and falshoods that are incident to gaming the infinite mischiefes that haue come thereby both to the church of God also to the common wealth we shall not one whit meruaile if the godlie sorrow that a Christian heart conceiueth thereby makes him euen to crie out vpon thē The diuel indéed doth couer his crafts in all occupations but he is nener lightlie so suttle but that the chapmen in vsing those things they haue bought euermore lightlie spie him out Onelie in this kinde of Merchandise hée doeth excell hée hath shewed héere what he can doe A man shall be deceiued yet can hée neuer lightlie tell who hath hurt him The Cards must be clipt for some kind of games at the toppes for some other at the sides When it commeth to a mans course to deale he hath taught vs how