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A67844 A second friendly epistle to Mr. George Keith and the reformed Quakers who are now convinced that water baptism is an ordinance of Christ ... / by the reformed Quakers old friend Trepidantium Malleus. Trepidantium Malleus. 1700 (1700) Wing Y86; ESTC R34119 19,542 36

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Transgressors as well as we hardly doing their Work by halves And this will we do if God permit I. That John the Baptist and Peter the Apostle declare They Plunged not when they Baptized Luke says 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Luke 3.16 John said I Baptize you with Water So we well and truly and gramatically read the Text I Baptize you with Water He that cometh after me says the same holy Mouth and golden Oracle 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 shall Baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with Fire Now I thus Argue 1st He that saith He Baptizeth strickly and properly with Water doth here declare He Plungeth not into Water Is it Sense thus to say I plunge you with Water Now Luke leaves out the Preposition 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in this Verse therefore I cite this place principally Thus this great Schollar and Grecian and beloved Pllysician I have observed doth in this his Gospel and also in his Acts of the Apostles Acts 1.5 And he brings in Peter's Saying about the Baptism of Cornelius with Water without any Preposition 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 without 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Acts 11.16 Now here Peter and John embrace each other both disown here Plunging Who can construe this Greek Sentence 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 I Plunge you with Water No but as we do and they too I Baptize you with Water Now Luke wrote good Greek as well as Matthew that puts in the Preposition 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 yet he and others cannot be read I Baptize you in Water for this is common for with to give but one pregnant Example If any be so weak as to doubt it Ephes 6.2 Honour thy Father and thy Mother which is the first Commandment with Promise 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 so we well and truly read it Not the first Commandment in the Promise but with Promise for the Commandment was not in the Promise but the Promise in the Commandment But this is so common in the Greek Tongue that no Man that understands this rich and copious Language can doubt it But suppose the bare Phrase by it self were not so clear yet it becomes so by its connexion with the next words and therefore I put in here before for greater Security Now as John says I indeed Baptize you with Water He that cometh after me is mightier than I the Latchet of whose Shoes I am unworthy to unloose the same shall Baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with Fire I hence Argue thus II. John so Baptized with Water as Christ with the Holy Ghost and with Fire and Christ so Baptized with the Holy Ghost and with Fire as John Baptized with Water 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Now the Proposition 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is always put in here yet this cannot be read in or into but with the Holy Ghost and with Fire Now let us turn to Acts 2.1 2 3 4 5. ver c. In the days of Pentecost was this Promise fulfill'd And I pray all to lay aside Passion and read soberly and see what Light that may give in this case about the manner of John's Baptisin whether by Effusion or Plunging The House was fill'd with Wind but when When they were together in one place with one accord Now observe The Wind was poured on them not they drove or plunged into it and did this Wind reach any more than their Faces or visible Parts Our Plungers tell us The Water must touch all The Fire lighted on them or sate on them visibly Observe they were not thrown into the Fire were they I no more believe John threw his Hearers into the Water than Christ in the days of Pentecost threw those Believers into the Fire But that which puts the matter out of all doubt with me is Peter's citing the Prophecy of Joel with a Then was fulfil'd I will pour of my Spirit is mentioned twice 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 on your Sons and Daughters your young Men shall see Visions and your old Men shall dream Dreams This is another Proof by the way that Baptize signifys to pour Now you that are Baptized and you that are Dipt I pray you I adjure you soberly and in the fear of God laying aside Pride Wrath or Considence compare Mat. 3.11 and Acts 2.17 ●ead carefully The Promise and its Performance the Sign and this Thing signified John's Literal Baptisin and Christ's Spiritual Baptism and you may easily know how John Baptized with Water as Christ Baptized with the Holy Ghost and with Fire And this is said plainly as plain as words can make it That it was done by Effussion or Pouring not by Immersion or Plunging I may say as the Prophet Who is Blind as my Servant if you see it not For 1. Here is an excellent Analogy How improper had it been for John to fay I Plunge you into Water and Christ shall pour the Spirit and Fire on you Therefore in John's Baptism was there an Application of Water to the Persons not the Persons to the Water 2. We are not said to be applied to the Blood of Christ but the Blood of Christ to be applied to us Nor to be immersed into the Graces of the Spirit but they poured on us Therefore I take their Dipping to be Unlawful as well as Plunging the Difference I shall soon discover When we are said to be Baptized into one Spirit it speaks only of a Relation not Manner of a Thing as when a Man is said to be Baptized into such a Church by some Men tho by the way I understand not Mens being Baptized into such a particular Church and so ordain'd to such a particular Church only when they are Members of another Church must they have another Baptism And when some are Pastors on removal must they have another Ordination Into what particular Church was Paul the Eunuch or Jaylor Baptized into But not to digress But now the Canons are mounted up and roar Many Objections some think cannot be Answered about my Assertion of John s Baptism It is Objected 1st It is proper to say I Overwhelm you with Water if not I Plunge you with Water and the word Baptize may be translated to Overwhelm Yes if I pour Water on a Man or cover him this way with it I Overwhelm him with Water but if I throw him into the Water and not the Water on him I Overwhelm him in or into the Water 2dly But say others John Baptized 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 into ordain Mark 1.9 But Mark before ver 5. and Matthew say in Jordain as we read and that properly John I hope went into Jordain 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 was he plunged too This 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is many times only in not into Matth. 28.19 20. Go you therefore and teach all Nations Baptizing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost In the Name not into 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 with Mr.