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A02200 M. Some laid open in his coulers VVherein the indifferent reader may easily see, hovve vvretchedly and loosely he hath handeled the cause against M. Penri. Done by an Oxford man, to his friend in Cambridge. Throckmorton, Job, 1545-1601.; Greenwood, John, d. 1593, attributed name.; Penry, John, 1559-1593, attributed name. 1589 (1589) STC 12342; ESTC S118462 88,170 130

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Th'onely way that I see is to couch vnder the board and keepe close for the time till that same perillous pillorie whiche so frighteth and threatneth men with their cares be shifted or remooued out of his place In deed it is not vnlike that some of their wretched and fawning soliciters doe but too often warble vpon that string in her Majesties cares thereby to make way to the rest of their odious and malicious complaints And me think I should see some reuerent B. or other one his knees before her maiestie as one loath to speake good man but only that the heinousnes of the case doth therevnto force him as it were against his wil and therfore he begins I warrant you with a sigh or 2. fetched from the very depth of his bowels in this sort O Madame you may see nowe what your puritans are come to As men alwaies rising from one error to another neuer at rest they are nowe growen to this that your Maiestie is not christned are you not greately beholden to them By this your highnes may measure the fruite of the rest of their desires Therefore you may yeeld to their newe platforme if you please but I feare Madame my hart trembleth to speake it you shal not enioy many good daies after Sure if wee may knowe of any such venemous complainte to her maiestie we wil fly to M. Some to prooue them liers all for he hath set downe in print that M. Penri is in the case of H. N. that is in manner a lone in this judgment of the Nulltie and therefore if they vse vs thus to make a number of vs when the sault if it be a falt lieth but in one alone though wee dare not tell them yet we will get M. Some to tell them that by their leaue they lye and they lye loudely toe But for the point wherein M. Some thinks he hath his aduersarie on the hippe first wee say for the clearing of our selues and we speak it even in singlenesse of heart be thou O God witnesse and reuenge if we lie that we doe account her maiestie the deare childe of God so marked from her Cradle and so chosen from the very foundations of th'earth whereof wee doubt not but shee hath had assured seales and testimonies to her owne soule not only by her outwarde and miraculous desiuerances but by an inwarde sense and seeling of Gods mercies she hath bene from her infancie through Gods greate mercie deliuered from the dregs of popery thereby from one of the gates that leadeth vnto hell She hath since that time made noe doubt some fruteful increase in the knowledge of the truth She hath bin kept from those soule and enormious sinns which other great States princes haue fallen into She hath not feared to professe and publikely to a vowe the cause notwithstandinge the frowning threats and practises of many other mightie potentates round about her yea though her blood haue bene many wayes vnjustly sought for and onely for the gospell sake yet hath shee not for any suche earthly respect abandoned the cause but hath boldly from time to time euen with joye of heart succoured the afflicted both at home and abroad yea and more it is manifest that vnder that happy and peaceable soveraigntie of hers many a thousand haue come to the sound knowledge of the trueth which were before in palpable darknes And these be to vs ward sussicient reasons motions to put vs out of doubt that whatsoeuer other wants weaknesses infirmities she may haue incident to flesh and blood yet that shee is the deare childe of God and right precious in his eyes if that be so then I hope I shall not need to stand loug about any pretie catechisme as M. Some hath done about the inabillitie of the regenerate to proue That whom God loueth he loueth for euer for I do assure my self meaner mé thé M. Some are resolued in that Wel that then being set down for granted That whom God loueth he loueth sor euer and that it is vnpossible for al the power of hell and darknes to wipe her Majestie out of the booke of life wherein she is written let vs com to that wound that M. Some and others do think to be so vncurable namely That her Maiestie should be vnbaptized First though it be very cleare that M. Penri doth not say so altogether disclaiming the point as an odious and fruitlesse controuersie yet because M. Some wil stil be hagling at that biting consequent as a man halfe starued and hungerbit for want of other sustenance let vs alowe for once that M. Penri did say soe in deede what then What wil your learned D. assume vppon that I trust if it were granted him for a maior a man might soone ghesse what woulde be his minor namely this I am perswaded if you be not wel coniured by the magistrate you wil proue a strange body and then what should be the conclusion but Hue Crie So that if the cutlers shoppe doe not better befriende your D. in this case then th'vniuersity he is at a stand But let vs presuppose that her maiestie were vnbaptised though I knowe of none that say so yet so long as shee hath the inwarde baptisme that is so long as shee is baptized of the holy Ghost and with fier hauing joyfully embraced the holy faith of the sonne of God and withall hauing the seale and assurance of that which shal neuer be taken from her that is of remission of sinns in the death righteousnes of Christ and that more is hauing also many times bin comfortably fedde and refreshed at the Lords table by those holy seals of her redemption as a farther pledg of the fauour and mercy of God I see no reason nor I know no vse why after all this that she should be brought backe againe to the sacrament of her entrance and ingrasting into the body if it were so that she were not baptized if there be any other mistery in the matter I franckly confesse it is more then I see as yet As for that ineuitable and remedilesse necessitie of the Sacrament which the bewitched papists doe so sottishly dreame of I hope al the children of God haue long a goe turned that strange beast a grazing as hauing bin safficiently taught That it is not the want of the sacrament but the contempt and neglect of the sacrament that is damnable Nowe her maiestie being already perswaded in her hart that shee is baptized cannot thereby justly be said either to contemne or neglect the sacrament because she resteth in that perswasion howsoeuer it be whether she be baptized or no be ing cleare from these 2. sinns of contempt and neglect we are assured it shall noe kinde of waie redound to her hart because shee is the childe of God and wee doubte not but shee findeth and feeleth daylie those inward comforts and tokens of Gods loue towardes her as neither