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A13156 An ansvvere to a certaine libel supplicatorie, or rather diffamatory and also to certaine calumnious articles, and interrogatories, both printed and scattered in secret corners, to the slaunder of the ecclesiasticall state, and put forth vnder the name and title of a petition directed to her Maiestie: vvherein not onely the friuolous discourse of the petitioner is refuted, but also the accusation against the disciplinarians his clyents iustified, and the slaunderous cauils at the present gouernement disciphred by Mathew Sutcliffe. Sutcliffe, Matthew, 1550?-1629. 1592 (1592) STC 23450; ESTC S117875 163,829 254

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and which he hath set downe in malitious Articles and interrogatories shall be answered neither doe I meane therein to omit any speach that shall seeme any way pertinent to purpose being loth he should say he was not answered Wherein if you see no colour or shew of reason for this newfound platformes or proofe of his accusation consider then I pray you first what indignitie hath ben offered by this libellor to the Church of God to her Maiestie and her lawes to the Ecclesiasticall state and such as liue in obedience of lawes and secondly what they deserue that haue offered this indignitie vnto so many and honorable persons and brought this scandale into the Church of God the common 1 Rescius i● ministromach aduersarie maketh profite of those shameles slaunders which those vnciuil and vnlettered authors of the Admonition haue vttered against the Church the aduersarie triumpheth to see this contention disordered companions take occasion of contumacie and rebellion when will the gouernors vse like diligence to represse them If then you loue religion her Maiestie and the state you will not suffer such notorious reuellors at lawes and gouernors if you be desirous of trueth you will no more be abused with vaine gloses H. Nicholas hath painted his booke with quotations as full as T.C. he vseth the same stile and seemeth to haue the same erronious spirit He saith as well as T.C. that for Sions sake 2 In euangel regni he will not holde his peace and yet nether of both speaketh to purpose nor to the edifying but rather the pulling downe of Gods Church and therefore seing both the authors and their dealings haue bene tried let them be both dealt with all and esteemed according to their deserts It may be these felowes looked for answere of her Maiestie and to say sooth the Magistrate were most fitte to shape aunsweres for such disordered petitions but in the meane while it may please them to accept of my answere they are no such high persons but meaner men then her Maiestie may answere them reason it is seing they put their petition in print they should also receiue a printed answere and seing they chalenge me they should heare my answere And let them not thinke but that howsoeuer their malice is repressed by lawe their fond assertions and cauils shal be refuted by reason That trueth may appeare I haue done my endeuour God is my witnesse I seeke for nothing but trueth and peace there rosteth then nothing but that trueth be embraced and lawe maintained for little auaileth it to knowe either if by faction mutinie lawes may be broken trueth oppressed to make trueth and Iustice knowen it belonged to vs to defend the same belongeth to Magistrates to wish the same to all reade therefore and iudge and seeke the maintenance of Iustice and trueth without which neither Church nor state can be well gouerned AN ANSWERE TO A CERtaine calumnious Petition and also to certaine Articles and Questions of the Consistorian faction CAP. I. Wherein is declared that the authoritie and state of Bishops as it is vsed in England is lawfull and the Petitioners cauils brought to the contrary answered ALmightie God when he gaue Magistrates and Lawes vnto his Church appoynted first and next vnder the soueraigne Magistrate one high Priest to haue the 1 Deut. 17. leuit 13. exod 28. nom 3. 4. superintendence of the affaires of the church and vnder him 2 1. Chron. 24. 25. diuers heads of their diuisions that things might be done in order And lest wee might suppose that this was but a ceremoniall constitution vnder the Law of nature the chieftie of the Priesthoode ouer all his was first in Noe then in Sem then in Abraham then in Isac and Iacob afterward in the 12 Patriarkes which for many yeres gouerned their whole families both in matters diuine and humane If equalitie of ministers had bene so profitable no doubt God would haue vsed that order in his Church The Lawe ceremoniall ceasing our Sauiour ruled his Church as soueraigne Bishop of our soules he adioyned no fellowe aldermen to himselfe Departing this worlde he gaue commission to his disciples within those places where they remayned to gouerne the church So we reade that they did excommunicate alone that they did ordeine ministers alone yea and did by superiour authoritie order both the affayres and goods of the church Paul did excommunicate 3 1. Timoth. 1. Alexander and Hymenaeus Peter as Beza confesseth by the swoorde of excommunication strooke Ananias and Saphyra alone Beza aduers Erast Paul ordeined Timothy and Titus and Timothy and Titus ordeined other ministers The Apostle Paul prescribeth orders and lawes to Timothy and Titus and their churches the populer gouernement which our platformers commend was not so much as in time of persecution vsed This was the practise of the Apostles successors likewise Saint Iohn writeth to the bishop of Ephesus to the bishop of Smyrna and likewise to the seuerall Bishoppes of other Churches to them hee giueth directions them he reprehendeth for bearing with the wicked which if they had had no authoritie aboue other Ministers had bene very vnfitting All Ecclesiasticall stories writing of that argument giue witnesse that seuerall Bishops succeeded the Apostles at Rome Constantinople Alexandria Ierusalem Antioche other famous Churches Saint Ierome and diuers other ancient writers testifie that Marke ruled Alexandria as Bishop which happened in Saint Iohns time All counsels giue preheminence to Bishops ouer other Ministers and to the counsels the fathers subscribe by infinite testimonies whereof it may appeare that excommunication ordination and the gouernement of the Church next vnder the prince did belong to Bishops the wordes I haue set downe heretofore in my English booke written against this counterfeite newe discipline Saint Ierome hath a most pregnant place for excommunication Ieronym aduers vigilant where hee wondereth that no one Bishop could bee found to excommunicate Vigilantius and if all the gouernement of the Church was committed to Bishops no doubt but that they disposed of these matters also When in our times religion began to be reformed the chiefe learned men that then liued and tooke paines therein In histor Apologia confess August protested in their publike writinges to the entent that all posteritie should knowe it that if Bishops would embrace religion they would most willingly submit themselues to their episcopall iurisdiction accompting in most godly and expedient for the Church Melancthon vseth many speeches to that purpose fearing that if the authoritie of bishops were reiected a greater tyranny would succede and Caluine likewise to Sadolete protesteth that he misliketh not Episcopal authoritie Neither can any thing bee deuised more absurd then that equalitie of ministers which is brought in to ouerthrow Bishoppes for no gouernement can be without superioritie neither can any thing bee well ordered where there is no speciall care in some one it
words of the commandement and declare what father euer so thought if he beleeue it and cannot bring forth any place but wrested he will be taken for a man building his faith on sand and shal be had forth for a forger and deuiser of strange nouelties and condemned in amendes for making leasings of his consistorie They professe and protest this reformation to be most agreeable to scriptures Petitioner to learned writers yea commanded by Christ and not preiudiciall to the state if they may be heard But we looke for proofe Answere not for protestations the vanitie whereof is too too apparant in the puritanes proofes must cary away the matters and not brags But proofes can they bring none for wee haue shewed that both scriptures and fathers are against them and nothing can they say to the contrary yet haue they bin heard to the wearinesse of al their readers scorne of their discipline and shame of their actions neither is it to be presumed that they can speake better then they haue written nor will performe more then they haue done or any part of that they haue promised they haue none that taketh part with them in this cause but the Geneuians and their followers whether these be to be heard against all antiquitie let all men iudge and therefore if they be wise let them take heed that their cause come not in hearing for then both the noueltie fondnesse and iniustice of it of euery reasonable man will be condemned This is the somme of their professed opinions and reformation Petitioner No reformatiō by your leaue neither any perfect somme Answere for there wanteth a good part of all for the chiefe poynt that they desire is that bishops liuings cathedral churches may come to diuision that these hungry hines that haue spēt their wits wealth in vanity may now be relieued with sacriledge Next to this they desire that certaine factious mates vnder the name of elders may haue the disposing of all ecclesiastical matters that when the first spoiles of churches are spent they may by their elderly wisdome command worke the sacke of the Nobility also They would also if they durst speake it craue that the Prince Parliament Counsel Iudges would giue ouer their charges in ecclesiastical matters that their synodes consistories people might either rule as they list or liue as they list A small point in these mens conceits may it therefore at these mens requests please her Maiestie and all officers to giue vp their estate that these new lords may rule Fourthly they desire that all lawes that make against them being abrogated their word may be accounted good law and that all law may proceed out of their diuine brests and good reason for like yong Popillions they say that they iudge in Christes seate and sit as Christes vicars and that their sentence is Christes sentence and yet is the same no more but the conceit of foure or siue beetleheaded Clownes or Marchants guided by one blinde man that neuer looked out of schooles called by them pastor president of the consistory Fiftly they seeke the ouerthrow of the state of religion of learning they would make the prince subiect to themselues and dispose of her reuenues and crowne Lastly they desire that all artes and studie of diuinitie ceasing only mē would professe discipline which is that diuine state as they thinke which Plato speaketh of in his vtopicall common wealth and these are their opinions for gouernmēt Their opinions for doctrine are also diuers very dangerous to the state hereticall in respect of christian faith as before I haue in part noted put both together there is no mā either wise or learned or loyall to the State that will eyther yeelde to graunt them their desires or els to heare thē motioned being so vnreasonable Neither is it true that hee saith that men doe intollerably slaunder his consorts their wordes beare witnesse their writings and doings conuince them neither shall they euer be able to cleare themselues I haue not alledged any thing without reason why then do they not cleare their deuises accused of falshood imperfection and notorious iniustice why did not this author if hee meant good dealing set his name to his booke how can he excuse himselfe either for his libelling or slaundering his excuse is most wicked marueile not saith he good reader that I doe not affixe my name to this my Treatise it is not knowen who was the writer of the epistle to the Hebrewes As if that epistle were to bee compared to this Libell or the author thereof to this raylor nothing is more contrary It is well knowen that that epistle was written by the spirite of God this dogrell treatise is knowen to be deuised by Satan the sower of contention and lewde opinions among brethrē The writer of that epistle is not knowen yet no man doubteth of the authoritie of it The writer of this Libel is wel knowen I would he so well knewe himselfe His bedlem fits also and helpers he had in his writing are knowen A childe may see that in the whole there is neither wit nor learning nor ought but friuolous rayling and libelling and slaundering and therefore no man giueth any credit or commendation to it But this it pleased him to alledge because Th. Cartwright alledgeth the same excuse for not putting his name to his first reply Let them therefore bee put both together for they are byrdes both of one plumage and qualitie and percase if they write bookes whereto they dare not affixe their names may haue their eares affixed where they would be ashamed He alledgeth further that no indifferent welwiller may scarcely be heard to speake the trueth charging her Maiestie and the gouernours not onely with notorious iniustice but also with resistance to the trueth and that most vntruely and disloyally for her Maiestie hath but too much heard them speake albeit against trueth yea against her dignitie and gouernment and suffred their Legendicall tales of their elderships of which if they were not ashamed they would not flie the light like owles nor walke abroade in libels in the night like night walkers other euil disposed persons nor would they send vs forth such frāticke lunatike persons as this author that barketh at euery shadowe yea at shadowes in moone-shine to speak for this glorious cause as they cal it nor would he desire men to hide him as Rahab did hide Gods seruāts wherein he doeth shamefully abuse this whole State comparing the same to Iericho and the Magistrates to the wicked Cananites accompting onely those that are of his faction for Gods seruāts Would we suffer such cōtumelious speeches yet all posterity will cry shame on these raylors I doubt not but the Magistrates wil consider of them In the meane while let him vnderstande that this example fitteth him not for Rahab did hide no libellers nor railers against