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A14777	A moderate defence of the Oath of Allegiance vvherein the author proueth the said Oath to be most lawful, notwithstanding the Popes breues prohibiting the same; and solueth the chiefest obiections that are vsually made against it; perswading the Catholickes not to resist souerainge authoritie in refusing it. Together with the oration of Sixtus 5. in the Consistory at Rome, vpon the murther of Henrie 3. the French King by a friar. Whereunto also is annexed strange reports or newes from Rome. By William Warmington Catholicke priest, and oblate of the holy congregation of S. Ambrose.	Warmington, William, b. 1555 or 6.; Sixtus V, Pope, 1520-1590. De Henrici Tertii morte sermo. English.	1612 (1612)	STC 25076; ESTC S119569	134,530	184

or forgiuenesse thereof I will that none should pray because it is not pardonable Or else in the same sence for that man who committeth such a sin vnto death I say not that any should pray for Whereof our Sauiour himself hath spoken in S. Matthew saying that he that sinneth against the holy Ghost shal not be pardoned neither in this world nor in the world to come Where he setteth down three sorts or kinds of sin to wit against the Father the Sonne and the holy Ghost and that the two first are lesse hainous and pardonable but that the third is altogether vnpardonable and not to be remitted All which difference proceedeth from the distinction of the attributes as the Diuines teach vs which seuerally are appropriated vnto euery seuerall person of the holy Trinitie And although as the essence of all the three persons is but one so also is their power wisedome and goodnesse as we haue learned in the symbole of Athanasius where he saith almightie is the Father almighty is the Sonne and almighty is the holy Ghost yet by attribution power is ascribed vnto the Father wisdome vnto the Sonne and loue vnto the holy Ghost whereof euery seuerall as they are tearmed attributes so are they so proper vnto euery seuerall person that they can not be attributed and referred vnto any other By the contraries of which attributes we come to discerne the distinction and greatnesse of sinne The contrary to power which is onely attributed vnto the Father is weaknesse and therefore that which we do amisse through infirmity of nature is said to be committed against the Father The opposite vnto wisdome is ignorance and blindnes through which when any man sinneth he is said to sinne against the Sonne therefore that which we commit through naturall infirmity and ignorance is more easier forgiuen vs. The third attribute which is the holy Ghostes is loue and hath for his contrary ingratitude and vnthankfulnesse a vice most detestable and odious which causeth men not to acknowledge the loue of God his benefites bestowed vpon them but to forget despise yea and to hate them Whereout briefly and finally proceedeth that they become altogether obstinate and impenitent And this way sinne is committed against God with greater danger and perill then if it were done through ignorance and weakenesse of the flesh and therefore it is tearmed a sinne against the holy Ghost And because such sinnes are seldome and difficultly pardoned and not without great abundance of grace in some sort they are said to be vnpardonable whereas altogether through vnrepentance onely they become simply vnpardonable For whatsoeuer is done amisse in this life although it be against the holy Ghost by repētance it may be wipt out and defaced before death but they that perseuere therein till death are excluded from all grace and mercy hereafter And therefore for such sinners and sins the Apostle hath forbidden to pray after their deceasse Now therfore because we vnderstand not without our great griefe that the said king is departed out of this world without repentance and impenitent in the companie to wit of heretickes for all his armie was made almost of none other but of such men and that by his last will he hath commended and committed his crowne and kingdome to the succession of Nauarre long since declared an hereticke and excommunicated as also in his extremitie and now readie to yeeld vp his ghost desired of him and such like as he was there standing by that they would reuenge his death vpon those whom he iudged to be the cause thereof For these and such like most manifest tokens of vnrepentance we haue decreed not to solemnize his death with funerals not that we would seeme to coniecture by these any thing concerning the secret iudgements of God against him or his mercies who could according vnto his good pleasure in the departing of his soul from the body conuert and turne his heart and deale with him mercifully but this we haue spoken being thereunto moued by these exteraall signes and tokens God grant therefore that all being admonished and warned by this feareful example of heauenly iustice may repent and amend and that it may further please him to continue and accomplish that which he hath mercifully begun in vs as we do put our trust in him to the end we may giue euerlasting thankes to him to haue deliuered his Church from such great and imminent dangers Whereof when his Holinesse had spoken he brake vp the Consistorie hauing giuen his blessing let them al depart Whether that the Pope in this his Oratiō applauded or approued the Friars murtnering his Prince I would rather the learned reader should be iudge thereof then my selfe his wisdome doubtlesse was too great to approue by any cleare and direct sentence so vile and detestable a fact Howbeit this I can witnesse that it was commonly spoken by many in Rome that had the Friar bene a Franciscan as he was a Dominican he might haply haue bene then declared a Saint And this is most certaine which my selfe liuing in the court of Rome saw that as it were to retaine a pious memory of such a deed the Friars picture was drawne on paper together with the Kings in one square or quadro in Italian and publikely sold without controlement to my knowledge which many admired to see Besides this likewise is true that M. William Reynolds then being in the Low countries to whō as to my speciall friend I sent a copie of the Oration esteemed it so did many others as an approuing of the Friars act For returning me an answer to my letter he gaue me heartie thankes for it saying that I could not haue gratified him with any thing more then by sending him the approbation of the Sea Apostolicke which came in very good season he being at that time writing his Rossaeus Peregrinus a booke of such a like subiect If any desire to know how I should light on a copie thereof when as it is most true that neither the Cardinall whose office it was to haue noted the Popes oration was not prouided of paper nor inke as he should haue bene had any such occasion of vsing it bene thought of before and therefore was not taken by any as Cardinall Bellarmine saith well let him vnderstand that the Oration and Consistory being ended and the Pope departed toward his chamber certaine Cardinals among which if my memory faile me not were Cardinall Gallo and my most honorable patron Cardinall Borromeo Archbishop of Millan who are yet liuing with a greedie desire flocked about Cardinall Alan there in the chamber intreating him that he would cal to remembrance and write what they had heard there spoken to the end they might after at more leisure reade and consider it better and that so worthy a speech of his Holinesse might not perish Cardinall Alan crauing pardon besought them not to impose on him a matter of such difficultie for

taken without deniall of their faith neuer shewing them any particular point which it is for to say truth they cannot So then their bare word must be beleeued as an oracle or else in fine with a bat they will beate men downe The Popes commandement not hauing ought else to say which may conuince It may be admired they make no more conscience in such an important businesse as this is not hauing the Churches definition nor ancient Fathers approbations for their assertions After all some burst forth in most vncharitable railing slanderous backbitings against such priests as in conscience haue performed their dutie in taking it and persist in teaching the lawfulnesse thereof withdrawing friends and charitable almes from them counselling some and commanding others not to resort vnto them as I haue bene credibly told by some that haue themselues bene forbidden and much more such like dealings which shall not be here rehearsed Ignosce illis Deus quia nesciunt quid faciunt These ought not to be the proceedings neither of good subiects nor of discreete guides of mens soules or true disciples of Christ who are made knowne to all by a notorious cognisance commonly called loue or charity giuen by our Sauiour Christ In hoc cognoscent omnes quia discipuli mei estis Ioan. 13. si dilectionē habueritis Adinuicem In this all men shal know that you are my disciples if you haue loue one to another Which badge were to be wished more visible then it is in some that pretend to be true followers of Christ Now to the authoritie of S. Paul may be answered that an hereticke so taken condemned and denounced by the Church is to be auoided in his heresie to be taken heed of that he be not seduced by him haeresis enim serpit vt cancer for heresie creepeth as a canker and in humane conuersation also when there is hope to reduce him thereby to a better mind Vt spiritus saluus sit But as no Catholike is by the lawes of this realme to be accompted a Recusant till he be conuicted so is none by the lawes of the Church to be reputed an hereticke to be auoided till he be by her admonished condemned and denounced for such which is neuer without pertinacie in heresie And what maketh this for them that say we denie the Popes authoritie God forbid that I by his grace a Catholicke priest should euer denie the Popes spirituall power to excommunicate any Prince or people that were once incorporated into the body mysticall of Christ by Baptisme but as I haue denied excommunication of her owne nature to extend to deposition and taking away of temporals so I may not grant that euery excommunicate person is to be abandoned of all and debarred of all humane society and conuersation Though humane communication esteemed one of the common goods is found also among the faithfull as to eate together to salute to talke negotiate and such like yet this sort of communication belongeth not to them properly as they are Christians and members of the Church but as they are citizens parts of the body politick And as they are such they are bound to adhere vnto the head of this body their Prince not to forsake but obey him in all iust ciuill causes notwithstanding any sentence of excommunicatiō as hath bene proued before out of Syluester Panormitan others which is not to deny the Popes power No if you reade Tortus and beleeue him I know you wil change your opinion for vpon those words That the Pope neither of himselfe nor by any authority of the Church or Sea of Rome hath any power or authority to depose the king c. or to discharge any of his subiects of their allegiance and obedience to his Maiestie c. He writeth thus Tor●us par 3. Here it is manifestly seene that this Oath doth not containe onely ciuill obedience in things meerely temporall as the Authour of the Apologie our Soueraigne so oft hath repeated but it containeth also a denyall of the Popes power which is not a thing meerely temporall but a holy thing and giuen from aboue which no mortall man can take away or diminish It is strange that his Maiesties oft repetition of a truth nothing to be contained in the Oath or required but ciuil obedience seemeth irkesome to the Cardinal it being very necessary whē men will not vnderstand but his Grace goeth not about to disproue it And who I pray you is a better interpreter of a law when doubts or difficulties arise then he that made the law If it containes a deniall of the Popes power his Grace should haue done well to haue proued it and shewed wherein Though the Cardinall for many respects ought of me somtime not vnknown vnto him highly to be reuerenced and his writings credited yet in this matter to me most cleare I must craue pardon if I differ from him in opinion and write otherwise not being able after study and diligent search of this matter to see it so manifest as his Grace wold make his reader beleeue It is most manifest the ancient Fathers neuer taught so viz. to be in the Popes power to depose Kings nor discharge subiects of their loyaltie and dutifull obedience the Church neuer yet defined it so can I then be so credulous to beleeue his bare word without better proofe His ipse dixit in this will not be sufficient The other florish to leade away a simple and inconsiderate reader forsooth that the Popes power is spirituall a holy thing from heauen c. is somewhat vainely and to no purpose inserted for no Catholicke denieth it and we that haue taken the Oath of allegiance are readie with Gods grace if need were to shed our bloud in defence therof and euerie point of Catholicke faith albeit we suffer disgraces and neuer receiued temporall benefite nor euer tooke oath vsque ad effusionem sanguinis inclusiuè so to do as the most illustrous and most reuerend purple Fathers are accustomed to take when in publicke consistory they receiue their hats The Cardinall in Tortus goeth on further to prooue by subsequent words in the Oath that the Popes spirituall power is denied Parag. 4. which were enough to terrifie Christian subiects if it were true The words are these Also I do sweare from my heart that notwithstanding any declaration or sentence of excommunication or depriuation made or granted or to be made or granted by the Pope or his successors or by any authoritie deriued or pretended to be deriued from him or his Sea against the said King his heires or successours or any absolution of the said subiects from their obedience I will beare faith and true allegiance to his Maiestie his heires and successors Here saith the Card. is openly denyed that the Pope hath power to excommunicate Kings though they be heretikes Note his proofe For how saith he can a Catholicke lawfully and iustly sweare that he will

homines and in heart thinketh it to be so as he speaketh This Cardinall Tolet teacheth to be that sufficient truth which is required in euerie Oath And which is more both he Syluester and other hold that to sweare a thing to be true in his opinion which indeed is false is no sinne at all if he did his best endeuour and vsed due diligence to know the truth As if one say as he thinketh that Peter is dead Greg. de Val. disp 6. q. 7. de iuramento and should sweare it he neither speaketh nor sweareth vntruly because his words are conformable to his interior mind Which is sufficient according to Saint Thomas also as Syluester noteth to be accompted truth the principal point of an oath The secōd is iudgement For it is required that he who sweareth sweare not lightly or vainely but discreetly vpon consideration of some necessarie or profitable cause The third is Iustice to wit that it be not vniust or vnlawfull which is sworne Which being so how can any man be worthily reproued of sinne that taketh the Oath of allegiance vpon a most necessarie profitable cause as all know of remouing therby an imputation of treacherie and treason and pacifying what in him lieth his Maiesties heauie displeasure worthily conceiued for the most detestable Gunpowder practise and further is perswaded after great diligēce vsed to be both true at least in his iudgement and also verie lawfull as is a subiects loyaltie to his Prince Hereupon I see no reason why this Oath may not be taken of all Catholickes without danger of sin and ought of euery good subiect being required thereto in the wilfull refusers whereof his Maiestie hath iust cause to suspect a hidden mischiefe to lie if euer oportunite should serue By this is cleare that what a man ex animo thinketh to be true he may truly say yea and sweare too it being a most certaine principle well in reason as in diuinitie and noted by father Parsons in his Catholicke letter that what a man may truly say he may also truly sweare but he may truly say that a probable opinion held maintained by sundry learned men Catholikes is true and contradicteth not another probable opinion taught by others as learned and as good For example That our blessed Lady the mother of God was free from being conceiued in originall sin which opiniō was defined in the Councell of Basil Sess 36. and stifly maintained by the Fransciscan family The contrary was as earnestly defended by the Domihicans following the doctrine of Saint Bernard and Saint Thomas This controuersie grew to be so great that they calumniated each other of motall sinne yea of heresie Extrau Com. l. 3. dereliq vener Sanct. c. 2. till such time as Sixtus the fourth put them to silence as appeareth in the Canon law Excommunicantur illi qui affirmant c. They are excommunicated that affirme them to sinne deadly or to be heretikes who defend the blessed mother of God to be conceiued without originall sin In like maner they are excommunicated that affirme them to sin deadly or to be hereticks Cost In Osiād propofit 2. pag. 103. Tolet instr sac l. 3. c. 36. nu 12. Antuor 1603. who hold the contrary The Pope knew saith Costerus that this question neuer appertained to the doctrine of faith And Cardinall Tolet writeth thus Neither part hath bene defined De fide both may be holden without mortall sin although it be much more certaine and truer that she was conceiued without any spot ita nos credimus and so we beleeue Might not trow ye each of these without sin sweare their opinion was true Yes vndoubtedly The like may be that the Pope is aboue a generall Councell as was defined in the Councell of Lateran vnder Leo the tenth taught and beleeued by the greater part of Diuines at this day Which definition of the Councell Costerus maketh doubt whether it were de fide inclining to the negatiue part Cost in Osiād pioposit pag. 282. saying Sed an vt negotium fidei non parum dubitatur Yet notwithstanding this definition and opinion of many learned men besides such others as beleeue and teach a generall Councell to be aboue the Pope are not to be reputed heretickes nor to sin mortally For then are the generall Councels of Constance and Basill to be condemned who defined it so wherein were assembled many very learned Bishops and other great Dolors and likewise the most learned and renowmed Facultie of Paris who art euer ready earnestly to defend it without heresie or sin Excusantur ah haeresi qui aliter sentiunt Coster loeo citato vt schola Parisiensis They are excused from heresie saith Costerus that thinke otherwise to wit then the Councell of Lateran as the schoole of Paris And dare not these sweare trow ye if need were their opinion to be true Tho. More Sir Thomas More likewise in his letter to Cromwell saith Neuer thought I the Pope aboue the generall Councell No doubt but this holy and leaned man would haue sworne if occasion had bene offered that his opinion was true because it was such as he thought So may any in this our case of the Oath of allegiance sweare no lesse truly then they hauing good Authors and all antiquitie for their opinion Many like instances might be here produced of the diuersitie of doctrine betweene S. Thomas and Scotus and their schollers who peremptorily will defend their doctrine against each others yet all agreeing in vnitate fidei but these shall suffice After all this followeth another point no lesse difficult then any of the rest of the Oath that is And I do further sweare that I do from my heart abhorre detest and abiure as impious and hereticall this damnable doctrine and pofition that Princes which be excommunicated or depriued by the Pope may be deposed or murthered by their subiects or any other whatsoeuer Some peraduenture not duly considering what they heare or reade concerning this point of the Oath finding the words Pope and excommunicated perswade themselues assuredly that to take this clause is absolutely to renounce the Pope and denie his power to excommunicate Others of better vnderstanding conceiue rightly that such authoritie is rather presupposed and granted to be in him then denied but to abiure which in this place signifieth to denie with an oath a doctrine as hereticall that is to sweare it is heresie which hath not bene determined or defined by the Church seemeth very hard and vnlawfull to be sworne For answer you shall first vnderstand that a man may abhorre or detest a doctrine as he would detest yea heresie it selfe yet not affirme the doctrine which he so detesteth to be heresie V.g. If any should detest the doctrine of S. Thomas and of the Dominicans Tho. 3. p.q. 27. ar 2. which deny the conception of our B. Lady to be free from originall sin or that of