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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A60564	The Quaker disarm'd, or, A true relation of a late publick dispute held at Cambridge by three eminent Quakers against one scholar of Cambridge ; with a letter in defence of the ministry and against lay-preachers ; also several quæries proposed to the Quakers to be answered if they can.	Smith, Thomas, 1623 or 4-1661.; Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723.; Allen, William, d. 1686.; Fox, George, 1624-1691.	1659 (1659)	Wing S4227; ESTC R18877	22,488	24

Fox and all the rest here stood silent S. Well beloved from this very text that he hath brought to prove he is no Heretick I will demonstrate which I am sorry that I must do but you see he thrusts me upon it that this man is the most damnable Heretick that ever was in the world and that since this Epistle was first writ 't was never so litterally and plainly fulfill'd in any person as in him this day Here the people fecht a deep sigh Hear the words again the two first Verses There were false prophets also c. I begin my Argument from those very words you inlisted on even denying the Lord that bought them the worst of Hereticks He that writ this book Ishmael c. even denyes the Lord that bought him You writ this book Therefore you even deny the Lord that bought you W. I deny the major S. I 'll read a few lines of it and then prove my major you write this against Mr. Townsend Minister of Norwich In your second page are these words Christopher Atkinson Iames Lancaster George Whitehead and Tho. Simonds now in Norwich Goal for their errors and miscarriages Thee Priest Townsend thou Dreamer thou Deceiver Witch O thou blinde Guide thou enemie of God without Christ and his knowledge and in Antichrist W Is the word Witch there S. Thou wouldst bewitch the people with thy lies p. 3. After these and many more such good words he comes p. 10. to speak against the B. Trinity and hath this passage p. 10. The Three Persons thou dreamest of speaking to Mr. T. which thou wouldest divide out of one like a conjurer are all denyed and thou shut up with them in perpetual darkness for the lake and the pit Here the multitude held up their hands and cryed God bless us S. See here he saith that he who asserts the three Persons in the ever blessed Trinity is a dreamer and a conjurer and that that man shall be damned with that Trinity Fox We do not deny God therefore we are no Hereticks Atheists deny God therefore they are Hereticks S. This man will be opponent again Atheists are no Hereticks F. Are not Atheists Hereticks S. No Atheists are worse then Hereticks but they are not Hereticks From these words in Whiteheads book now read I argue thus He who denies the three persons in the B. Trinity and calls him dreamer and conjurer who asserts them saying that a man who saith there be three persons in the Trinity shall be shut up with them in perpetuall darkness for the lake and the pit that man is an Heretick even denying the Lord that bought him But you G. Whitehead deny the three persons in the blessed Trinity c. Fox Here made very long discourse against the Trinity S. Beloved you see I let him speak all he can say I do not disturb them in their speaking as they do me I am willing to hear him or any of them speak all they can for themselves but I confess it grieves me to hear them speak against the B. Trinity and I had far rather hear them talk of somewhat else then make declamations against Almighty God I answer That nothing of this your speech is to the purpose What do you answer to the argument I repeat it again He who denies c. Fox run on in another discourse against the three persons S. I came not hither to hear you to repeat a deall of stuff out of Paul Beast who writ against the Trinity I came hither to dispute If you l answer my argument do If not say you cannot F. Prove that there be three persons S. I will F. But prove it out of Scripture S. I will so 1 Iohn 5.7 There be three that bare record in Heaven the Father the Word and the Spirit and these three are one F. Prove that there be three Persons S. I will Allen Prove them to be three Persons plainly without Logicall termes and vain Philosophy that we may all understand thee S. I will if the Father Son and H. Ghost be three hee s then they are three Persons but they are three hees F. What do you mean by three hee s S. Three things that may be pointed at he and he and he F. I do not like that argument S. I would fain give you an argument that you should like are you three Persons who dispute against me this day or are you not F. Yea we are three Persons t is plain S. Give me now any argument that pleaseth you to prove it and by the very same argument I le prove that there be three Persons in the B. Trinity F. We are in three places and therefore three Persons S. The Father Son and H. Ghost have been in three places and therefore are three Persons At the baptisme of Christ while Jesus came up the H. Ghost came down in the same moment one ascended out of the water the other descended to the water Matt. 3.16 17. And Jesus when he was baptized went up straightway out of the water and loe the Heavens were opened unto him and he saw the H. Spirit of God descending like a Dove and lighting upon him And loe a voice from heaven saying this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased In this verse is mention of God the Father in heaven God the Son coming out of the water and the H. Ghost descending on this side Heaven like a Dove F. Prove there were three persons S. I do it thus If Christ was coming up out of the water while the H. Ghost was coming down to the water then they were in severall places but Christ was coming up out of the waters while the H. Ghost was coming down to the water Therefore they were in severall places F. They have not flesh and bones as we have S. What then I did not promise to prove them to be men or you to be Angels or Gods but them to be Persons like you only in personality F. Persons have flesh and blood as you see we have S. I prove that all Persons have not flesh and blood If God should send this day three Angels from Heaven to prove the truth of Christian Religion against you who deny it and one of them should stand at one end of your meeting house another at the other end and a third in the midst preaching Would you not say that these three Angels were three Persons Yet they have not flesh and blood Speak would you say they are three Persons or would you not All stood mute at length one of them said that Angels are not Persons S. Till me what you mean by a person and I le prove that Angels are persons F. A person is a subsistence We three are three different susistences S. So are the Father Son and H. Ghost if they were in different places they must needs be different subsistences You see my argument stands firm notwithstanding your objection I pass to another

other time 20. And now I proceed to the 2d generall head which I promised to prove viz. That 't is a dangerous sin in him to preach as he did and in the people to hear him I argued to him thus To do that which God strictly forbids all holy men both under the Old and New Testament is to commit a dangerous sins But to preach publickly as he did being not ordained is to do that which God ●rictly forbids all holy men both under the Old and New Testament Therefore the doing it is to commit a dangerous sin 21. For the Old Testament I proved that all Gods people who were not ordained or consecrated to be Priests were forbid to meddle with any Sacerdotall Office Num. 18.22 23. Ex. 28.1 And as by these two places so by two examples of Gods dreadfull judgment upon Vzza and Vzzia who offended against this Law Vzzia though he were a King and so you 'l say might take more upon him then any Subject was withstood by the Priests and forbid to burn incense before the Lord while the censure was in his hand the Leprosy arose in his forehead and continued there as a brand upon him as long as he had a day to live 2 Chron. 26.16 c Vzza did but put forth his hand to take hold of the Ark to stay it from falling while the Oxen shook it and presently the anger of the Lord was kindled against him and God smote him dead upon the place 2 Sam 6.6 7. To which add the judgments that fell upon Cora and his company who for offering incense were swallowed up alive by the earth Num. 16.3.39 40 Upon Ieroboam and his family who for setting up Priests of the meanest of the People who were not of the sons of Levi 1 Kin. 12.13 Had those fearfull curses denounced against them c. 14.10 I will take away the remnant of the house of Ieroboam as a man takes away dung till it be all gone Him that dyes of Ieroboam in the City shall the Dogs eat and him that dyes in the Field shall the fouls of the Air eat for the Lord hath spoken it 22. For the new Testament I urged Heb. 5.4 No man takes this office to himself unless called of God as was Aaron For there be Evangelical Priests and Altars as well Legal which appeares Heb. 12.10 And in many other places of that Epistle Christ was faithfull in all his house as was Aaron Heb. 3.2 And if he was so faithfull in his house that is the Church then he appointed some to Minister as well as Aaron did As Aaron made Legal Priests so Christ Evangelical Ministers As Aaron had an Altar circumcision and the passover so Christ the Lords Table Baptisme and the Eucharist 23. When he ascended he gave some Apostles some Prophets some Evangelists some Pastors and Teachers for the perfecting of the Saints for the work of the Ministry c. Till we all come in the unity of the faith that is till the end of the World He gave some Pastors therefore not all Every man may not take upon him to be a Pastor nor a Prophet because Christ appointed onely some Eph. 4.11 24. Nor is there any thing more Evident in all the Book of God than that there ought to be a distinction of Sheepheards and flocks Learners and Teachers some that are charged with the cure of Souls others that are charged to attend and obey Heb. 13.17 Some that are separated from the affaires of this life that they may give themselves wholly to reading 1 Tim. 4.5 to exhortation to Doctrine and therefore are to be partakers of other mens temporals that others may be partakers of their Spiritualls Others to plow and sow and harrow the ground and use other lawfull trades working with their hands the thing that is good that they may have to give to him that needeth 25. I beseech you to lay aside passion and consider some day when you retir● from your worldly affaires whether it be possible that that power which at fo●● severall times upon four severall occasions our Blessed Saviour did mentio● and give to the Apostles could expire with their persons Some things o● great concernment he mentions but once in all the Scripture as upon wha● heads chiefly we shall be examined at the day of judgment and the speech tha● he will then make Mat. 25.34 And when he who was the Wisdome of the Father names a thing not only four times but upon four notable occasions can you imagine that matter a trifle and intended only for some very few years The thing which I mean is the power not only of preaching the Gospell and administring the Sacraments but also of remitting and retaining sins which was mentioned by Christ 1. Upon occasion of St. Peters confessing him promising and foretelling that he would enstate it upon the Apostles Matt. 16.19 2ly Upon occasion of exemplifying that necessary truth that the cheif end of Christs coming into the World was to save that which was lost Matt. 18.11 He speaks of the institution of this power as evidently instrumentall to that design 3ly Immediately before his final departure out of this World he enstated them initially in this ghostly power Ioh. 20.21.22 with significant ceremonies and important circumstances saying As my Father hath sent me so send I you He breathed on them and said receive the H. Ghost Lastly immediately after his Ascention sending the great promise of his Father Luk. 24.49 T is absurd to think that this power thus insisted on by Christ thus given to the Apostles was to expire with their persons especially considering that at his bestowing it on them He promised to be with them to the end of the World Matt. 28.20 26. I hope you l not wonder I mention this power which our Saviour gave his Ministers of remitting and retaining sins when I believe this very Tinker arrogates it to himself as well as the power to preach For in the midst of our forementioned dispute about his false doctrines he breaking out into very many impertinent di●erting questions as asking me when I was converted what were the signes at length he demanded what were the particular sins which I confessed to Almighty God when I last received the body and blood of Iesus Christ As if I were bound to confesse my private sins not only to him when as I told him God hath not made you my Confessour but also to the meanest of all the vulgar in the Country 27. But to proceed The Apostle asks Rom. 10.15 how shall they preach unles they be sent He puts the question as if he should say what man in his wits can think it lawfull who that hath read one leafe either of the law or Gospell 28. Considering the examples not only of Vzza and Vzzia under the Old Testament but in the New of Matthias who had been as well as any man else a witness of the Doctrine and life and miracles of our