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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A41787	A religious contest, or A brief account of a disputation holden at Blyton in the county of Lincoln between Mr. William Fort minister of the perochial congregation at Blyton on the one part, and Thomas Grantham, servant to the baptised churches on the other part : whereunto is added Brief animadversions upon Dr. Stilling-fleet his digressions about infant baptism in his book intituled, A rational account of the Protestant religion, &c., in both which are shewed that the generality of the nations now professing Christianity are as yet unbaptised into Christ : 1. Because their sprinkling and crossing the fore-head is not the right way of baptising, 2. Because infants ought not to be baptised.	Grantham, Thomas, 1634-1692.	1674 (1674)	Wing G1544; ESTC R39430	28,329	42

make the Cross necessary in Baptism for say they in private Baptism it is not used T. Grantham You know that the Papists allow of Midwife to pour water out of a Glass upon the Infant which they account a valid Baptism yet at other times they make their ceremonies necessary and so do you the Cross performing in the name of the Father Son and holy Spirit Mr. Fort. That is not so we do not perform it in the name of the Father Son and holy Spirit therefore you wrong us T. Grantham This is strange for either you do it in the name of the Lord or in your own name if you do it in your own name pray tell us so but you answer not the Argument therefore I proceed Arg. 2. That which renders the practise of Christ and his Apostles supers●●ous ●r ridiculous is not the right way of Baptising But your pretended way of Baptising renders the practice of Christ and his Disciples superfluous or ridiculous Ergo. Your way of Baptising is not the right way of Baptising Mr. Fort. The minor is denyed our way of Baptising doth not render the practice of Christ or his Disciples superfluous or ridiculous T. Grantham The minor I evince by this demonstration he that considers how Christ and his Disciples were baptised and did baptise in Rivers or Places of much water and you on the other side take a little water on your finger ends or in your hand only must needs conclude that either they did too much or you do too little Now thus it is written Mat. 3 Jesus when he was baptized came up streight way out of the Water Mark 1. They were all baptized in the River of Jordan confessing their sins John baptised in Enon because there was much water there Phillip and the Eunuch went both down into the water Now if your putting a few drops of water on the Fore-head only be sufficient then the other must needs be superfluous yea ridiculous Mr. Fort. This does not prove the minor for we do not deny dipping and I pray what do you mean when you say our way renders Christs to be ridiculous T. Grantham I mean a thing to be laughed at and put the case you had occasion to wash your hands only would it not be ridiculous to see you go into the River to do it even does thus your pretended way of baptising render the way of Christ ridiculous and reflects dishonour on him and his followers as if they were not so wise as you to know the best way to be baptized but we are resolved to follow Christ though we differ from you Mr. Fort. Yes the word ridiculous doth signifie so much but yet I deny that our practise doth reflect upon Christs for though in these hot Countreys they did dip in Rivers yet it was not necessary in these colder Countreys to do so for Christ hath not commanded that T. Grantham Then you confess it was the practice of the first christians to dip in Rivers and I ask you whether they did this by a command or not Mr. Fort. Yes I grant they did it by a command T. Grantham Then you have granted sufficient to overthrow your practice and to confirm ours unless you can also shew a command for sprinkling Mr. Fort. I have told you I do not sprinkle T. Grantham The contrary is the known practice of your Ministry and yours is little differing I proceed to another Argument Arg. 3. That which brings unavoidable confusion into the Church is not the right way of baptising But your way of baptising doth bring unavoidable confusion into the Church Ergo your way of baptising is not the right way of baptising Mr. Fort. Our practice in baptising as we do doth not bring confusion into the Church T. Grantham I shew the contrary thus your way of baptising admits of as many several ways as there are parts in a mans body for whether the Fore-head the Breast Back Hand or Foot or some other part ought to be only sprinkled or whether any of these may not serve you can shew no reason so that you thus bring confusion into the Church Mr Fort. The Head being the most honourable part of mans body we therefore chuse the head and think that the best T. Grantham This is only your imagination and if I think otherwise and so chuse the breast you cannot shew this to be a greater errour then your own but I proceed Arg. 4. That which renders all Men uncertain whether they do the will of God or not is not the right way of baptising But your way of baptising doth render all Men uncertain whether they do the will of God or not Ergo your way of baptising is not the right way of baptising Mr. Fort I deny that our way renders men uncertain whether they do the will of God or not T. G. God hath not assigned any one part of the body to be baptised and not another therefore no man that follows your way can tell whether he do the will of God or not in following your way Arg. 5. That way which doth not signifie that which ought to be represented in baptism is not the right way of baptising But your pretended way doth not signifie that which ought to be represented in baptism Ergo. Your way of Baptising is not the right way of Baptising Mr Fort. Our way of baptising doth signifie the cleansing of the conscience from Sin which is the thing that ought to be signified in baptism T. G. No action of mans devising may be said to signifie the cleansing our conscience● from Sin but my argument refers to the whole signification of baptism and particularly the burial of Christ and others with him Rom. 6 we are buried with him in baptism and the Scripture cannot be broken therefore baptism must so be performed as to signifie these things Arg. 6. That which agrees not with the native signification of the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is not the right way of Baptising But your way agrees not with the native signification of the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Ergo your way is not the right way of baptising Mr. Fort The minor is denied our practice agrees with the signification of the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 T. G. I desire you to shew the place which mentions such a washing as you practice where the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is taken to express the sacred act of baptism Mr. Fort. It is said the Pharises did wash their cups and beds here the word Baptizo is used yet they did not dip them T. Grantham I call'd for a Text wher the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is used to express the sacred Act of baptism and that signifies your manner of washing and instead of this you bring me a place which speaks of the Pha. rises washing cups and beds and yet even this place is against you for they that wash defiled cups and beds do more then sprinkle