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A35007 The discovery of the accursed thing in the Foxonian Quakers camp, englarged [sic] Crisp, Thomas, 17th cent. 1695 (1695) Wing C6949; ESTC R24789 53,543 42

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of my Lord Jesus of Nazareth without me and his Obedience and Sufferings and shedding his inestimable Blood of his Body his Stripes his Death and his Mediatorship and Intercessing with the Father now in Heaven The Satisfaction he made to the Father I say in him only do I by Faith fix and rely for Salvation and my Soul says to him as the Disciples in the Ship when they were in a Storm Lord save me or I perish Even the same Jesus who lived in Capernaum I which sate in Darkness among you many Years through Mercy by that little weak belief in him that I have obtained found Light to spring up as in the 4th of Matth. 13. 16. I say again my Redeemer and Saviour in whom I trust is the same Lord Jesus St. Peter Preach'd and St. Paul Acts 13. Who was taken down from the Tree and laid in a Sepulchre whom God raised from the dead Through this Man do I expect forgiveness of my sins and by him to be justified I am not ashamed of this my belief and hope in him whom ye contemn and now term an outward Man in p. II. Discoverer Discovered And to cover your Errors you would divide his two Natures under pretence of distinguishing whereas there never was a Jesus of Nazareth an outward Man only and there is great difference between your Doctrine and the Apostles for you Preach a Christ therein crucified i. e. in him and a Light in every Man but the Apostles Preach'd him even him that was taken down from the Tree and laid in the Sepulchre This could not be the Godhead only distinct from his Manhood nor could this Jesus be Personally or Substantially in Man nor his Flesh and Blood Therefore the Light within every Man alone cannot be him even Jesus of Nazareth who is the Son of God and Saviour of the World and your contempt of his Person is offensive You say in Print of his Disciples For they loved his Person for the sake of the frame and quality of the Spirit that dwelt in him or else what was his Person being mean and contemptible to them more than another Person but for that which dwelt in him they loved him let none mistake I do not slight it nor the Person of any of his Brethren or Children as they are prepared to do the will of their Father but I do know in God's Counsel that it was even so as it bath been also in these days among whom God the Father of Mercies hath as it were deprived some of his Disciples of the Personal Presence of some of his dear sons and Servants which may be to this end that the same Spirit and Life might be felt possessed lived in and enjoyed in themselves in their own particulars in which only their Eternal well-being consisteth Deep to Deep by W. B. pag. 30. Here observe it 's not the Body but it is the Person our Lord Jesus they contemn and as is proved by their aforesaid terms HIM and HIS PERSON and in this their Contempt of his Person his Blood must be included and as is here shewn they say His blood was no more than the blood of another Saint and so here above his Person is made to be but equal with theirs There is more Contempt in this above Sentence than I can express and if it be not also contrary to the 13 Acts judge ye But to discover the depth of the Mystery of Iniquity couched hereunder is more than I can do but you cannot be good Christians until you disown these Contempts And it is but deceit for you to pretend you own Jesus of Nazareth as the Saviour as long as you do not disown but excuse these Contempts Remember how you charged the Baptists that if they did not condemn or disown Tho. Hicks for abusing you that they were chargeable so also are you Foxonian Quakers the whole Body chargeable with these Errors until by or for you disowned much more by your excusing them Awake awake all Christians especially you Overseers who love our Lord Jesus and the Gospel of Salvation and contend earnestly for the true Faith in him for certain Men are crept in speaking great swelling words pretending to the Power and Spirit of Christ exalting themselves above and opposing all other Christians This is the very Mystery of Iniquity now at work Do but consider how furiously they prosecuted F. Bugg for putting a jest upon twelve of them by a Mock-Pillory They Indicted him in London when he above Sixty miles absent and knew nothing of it nor could defend himself and complained of him to the Secretary of State and to the Parliament as one Seditious and of ill Consequence to the Government which was false and a gross Slander Now shall they be so concerned for the Reputation of Twelve Men among them that the whole Nation must be alarmed And shall our Lord Jesus of Nazareth his Blood and Sufferings and the Holy Scriptures be contemned and you not affected nor concerned Surely if our Lord took so much notice of them that had not fed nor cloathed nor visited his Disciples insomuch that he took it as to himself 25 Matth. 42. surely much more will he take notice of them who do not in this evil day and time own and confess him before men take his Holy Apostles for an Example of suffering Afflictions Bonds and Imprisonments for Preaching and Testifying to our Lord Jesus of Nazareth as the only Saviour What though they will not suffer you to Buy or Sell in their Markets but thrust you out of their Synagogues and Defame and Persecute and Imprison and Fine take away Goods as they the Chief Priests of the Foxonian Quakers have done by G. K. and his Friends Yet he is Faithful that hath promised and hath greater Power than they And because as they say The only way to recover the Deceived is to discover the Deceivers Therefore are these Errors of theirs published and not as they falsly say out of Envy or to incense the Government against them their false boasting of themselves and Spirit and condemning others G. Fox being charged to have said he was Christ he answered It was a Lye but saith he Christ in the Male or Female if he speak he was Christ the Seed and the Seed was Christ but he said He did not speak it as a Creature p. 299. I take him to mean it was not the Creature G. F. but Christ in him that said he was Christ. Now in their Discoverer Discovered p. 14. They charge T. C. for abusing G. F. by misrepresenting him Now I charge them in the top of this Paragraph with False Boasting and I leave it to the Reader to judge whether or no these Instances I give do not prove it For they themselves say pag. 14. He G. F. gives the name Christ to something in him and spake through him yet it was no Creature nor of him G. F. but of the Seed which is Christ
which we do not if we keep not his Commands turn from them and deny them and their Practice and Doctrine being indeed another Gospel And although they will what they can hinder People from Reading this or any thing that discovers them Yet you who love our Lord Jesus who be of other Perswasions who have Relations or Acquaintance that are deceived by their good words and perceive not the depths of Satan among them if you judge this Discovery Serviceable use your endeavour to possess them with the danger of their Errors for surely they are the grievous Wolves foretold of although they have the Sheeps Cloathing of Good Words It 's not my intent hereby to make void or undervalue the Light of Christ or Spirit of God within and Obedience thereto for it 's our Duty to walk in the Light within but not to build thereon only the Foundation our Lord Jesus of Nazareth being already laid according to the Purpose and Promise of God But yet that Faith that brings not forth Fruits of Holiness is not the Holy Saving Faith And the Apostle doth not mention the Word or Faith within as the Foundation or Object for them to trust in only but as the Evidence or Proof of their Faith nor doth not ascribe Salvation to that only and give all our Lord's Titles and Offices to the Light within as G. F. doth He says Now the Seed of the Woman is come in which Seed Christ all Nations are blest G. F. to all Friends every where c. p. 2. By these his words now is come he implies a Principle within but the Apostles Testimony was to him even our Lord Jesus of Nazareth who was before come Heb. 1. God hath spoken unto us by his Son mind these words it 's not doth speak but hath spoke and saith further How shall we escape if we neglect so great Salvation began to be spoken by the Lord and was confirmed by those that heard him These refer to the words of our Lord Jesus outwardly spoken as often in the Epistles the Saints are put in mind of the Words and Commandments of our Lord Jesus as words without And I Appeal to all true Christians if it be not the chief scope of the Gospel especially Peter and Paul who have in their Preaching Jesus used for substance mostly the same words and testified to the same Jesus of Nazareth slain taken from the Tree and laid in the Sepulchre But if those wise Greeks the Foxonians had been in the Apostles time might not they have opposed with their own Reason and said What a Man that was killed and buried laid in a Sepulchre can he a Finite Being a Garment a Vessel satisfie Infinite Justice Yea such a Man as he was can But that within say these Quakers is the only Principle and admits not of another W. S ' s. Gatechism p. 57. What not out Lord Jesus Also say they That the same Spirit and Life may be enjoyed within themselves wherein only their Eternal well-being consisteth Deep to Deep p. 30. What Part or Office have these Men left for our Lord Jesus of Nazareth's Sufferings in our Eternal well-being But in this as well as many other of their Doctrines they have degraded and robbed our Lord Jesus dividing him from Christ for says J. Cole The Body of the true Christ in which he suffered c. And in their Book entituled The Christian Society and Doctrine c. They say The same Christ that was therein crucified ascended pag. 5. Hereby they imply a Christ in Jesus of Nazareth besides him whom they term Vessel or Garment mean contemptible it that and a Christ in him or therein crucified But in your next let us know who scourged pierced and laid hands on and took down and put into the Sepulchre this your Christ But if you say it is the Son or Word that was with the Father in the beginning But as such without not only coming into Man or Flesh but becoming Flesh or Man could he or was it possible for those things to be accomplished on him as such Your Notion makes the Prophets false as well as the New Testament and his Blood and Death ineffectual for it was not him Jesus of Nazareth but one in him as your Notion makes to be the Saviour and so the same in Men. But the Apostles Testimonies are to him whom you call the Flesh and the Body he took up but he took it into himself and both Natures are but one individual Jesus Christ neither had he any other Flesh and Blood to be the Attonement but that of the Man Jesus of Nazareth And if there was no Remission without Blood it behoved him to become Man made of a Woman made under the Law and not as you would have it he only came into that Man Jesus to suffer those things which as the Word in the beginning only he could not for it was his Death gave force to and made the Promises Effectual to us as himself said to the two Disciples Ought not Christ to suffer those things Luke 24. And who is this Christ Even Jesus of Nazareth whom the Jews crucified it was him the Disciples trusted in as the Redeemer whom you say You can never call Christ but something that dwelt in that Body Is P. Again you say Is not the Life called Christ where ever it is found doth not the Name belong to every Member in the Body as well as to the Head For shame no The Name of Jesus of Nazareth the Saviour belongs to none but to him the Head for your Notion implies a Monstrous Body all Head Again you say Such as be false Ministers preach Christ without and bid believe in him as he is in Heaven above W. S's Primmer p. 8. Then St. Peter was a false Minister in Acts 3. 21. 1 Pet. 1. 8. Again you say That of God within us is the only Foundation it 's Christ and being Christ it must needs be only and principle admits not of another is greatest in being And thus we know Christ in us to be the only Principle W. S's Catechism p. 57. They have not only hereby laid another Foundation than our Lord Jesus of Nazareth but have rejected him for say they Your imagined God beyond the Stars and your Carnal Christ is denyed To say this Christ is God and Man in one Person is a Lye The Sword of the Lord drawn p. 5. Again say they The Name is not given to the Vessel but that of him in Vessel Is P. But was him whom you contemptuously term Vessel ever distinct from or without that which you say was in the Vessel And him you call Vessel the Scripture says is the Saviour and Justifier and the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the World Although you say Nothing that was Mortal was called Christ Quakers Refuge p. 38. Was not Jesus Mortal when taken from thee and laid in the Sepulchre 30 Acts. And see Luke
But now if it was as they say no Creature then it must be the Creator and I see no difference between my Explanation of his words and their own but they delight to Quarrel and falsly Accuse But for further proof of the Pride of G. F's Spirit one C. Wade charges them to say They are Christ and totally without sin as Christ is saying as he so are we in this World To this G. F. answers p. 248. He calls it Satanical saith G. F. Thou hast denyed John's words Again saith the same C. W. This proves that you Quakers are not Christ. as you brag you are And yet saith C. W. you say as Christ is so are we in this World in p. 249. G. F. Answers him thus Which was the Apostle's words and he was not ashamed to speak them but thou that livest in the Power of Darkness art ashamed to hear them Says G. F. implying by this his Answer they are without sin as Christ is and quotes the 1 John 4. 17. But the Apostle in that Epistle sets out the Love of God and the necessity of their living in love one with another But doth not mention nor intend their being as God is in Perfection without sin But G. F. doth hereby not only prove his Spirit to be a proud boasting one but he doth pervert the Scripture also And they say in the Epistle to this Great Mystery c. p. 3. The Elect is risen among us whom you cannot deceive But some of their Preachers have been deceived and Deceivers notwithstanding they say The Quakers are in the Authority of the Lamb upon the Throne p. 31. Also in p. 78. say they God hath said we are after his heart Also by contradicting an Opponent they do imply they are equal with God For say they to one Thou makest a great Pudder that any should witness he is equal with God And further saith G. F. in a Catechism they have put forth to Learn they have laid down That the Holy Ghost is equal with the Father in Power and Glory Yet saith G. F. If any come to witness the Holy Ghost in them as they that gave forth Scriptures or witness the mind of Christ and witness that Equal with the Father that Equality you speak of you Priests destroy that which you have put forth to the Nation pag. 67. Now that which was objected against them was not for saying that the Holy Ghost was equal with God but for pretending that they or the Spirit that guideth them was so And G. F. cites it as an Error in an Opponent for blaming the Quakers for saying Their speakings are from the Word Christ in them Mark it 's not the words of Christ and to this G. F. Answers All you are apostatized that do not speak from the Word Christ in you pag. 68. Again G. F. being charged to profess Equality with God he Answers G. F's words were spoken beyond and out of all Creatures pag. 127. And again G. F. says The Assembly gave forth a Catechism wherein they say the Holy Ghost is equal with the Father And is it Blasphemy says G. F. for to come to witness this you have given forth and the mind which was in Christ yet saith he G. F's words were not spoke as you Preach them but beyond and out of all Creatures he did not say G. F. p. 127. That is he did not mean his Flesh and Bone but his Spirit or Christ in him But Men are generally esteemed according as the Spirit is which they be influenced by But says G. F. The Quakers have a Spirit given them beyond all the fore-fathers which we do witness since the days of the Apostles in the Apostacy And they Quakers can discern who be Saints and who are Devils and who are Apostates without speaking ever a word p. 89. And further says G. F. Thou art an ignorant Man nor canst minister unto the People not knowing their condition they be in unless they tell thee Is not this a wicked proud boasting Spirit Yea the Glover a Quaker that was robbed and the Circumstances thereabout sufficiently prove it I hope you will not be Angry for not naming the Persons besides them in F. B's Cage And I question whether or no St. Peter knew Simon Magus's Condition before he proffered Money But these Quakers say although fa●sly An Infallible Spirit is now possessed amongst the Quakers p. 105. Yet now they would Quibble themselves off in their Discoverer Discovered p. 17. Pretending they do not ascribe Infallibility to Persons but as influenced by the Infallible Spirit But their Deceit is manifested That G. F. doth not only pretend they possess an Infallible Spirit but he also blames others for confessing they are Fallible But I shall farther manifest their Wickedness as well as the Fallibility of their Spirit It was by them put to one W. Thomas a Minister to say plainly whether they were Infallible or Fallible To which he very Christian-like Answers We willingly acknowledge that we are fallible or Men that may be deceived In Answer thereto says G. F. We do believe you that you are Fallible Men and are not Infallible It 's contrary to your Experience to be Infallible Now by G. F's Bantering Answer he doth imply the Quakers are Infallible Men or else why doth he so Banter W. T. for acknowledging they are Fallible Men. And then farther says G. F. You are Apostatized from the Infallible Spirit in which we are come with which you are judged So not to have the Spirit of Christ Then G. F. goes on saying They who witness that which they were in who gave forth Scripture they witness Infallibility an Infallible Spirit now possessed among the Quakers And so says G. F. the Devil false Prophets c. none of these can witness an Infallible Spirit but being out of the Spirit that Christ c. was in they are not Infallible p. 105. says G. F. But this Infallibility being about Thirty six Years ago they may have lost it since yet G. F. says The Quakers be of Abraham 's Stock of Christ before Antichrist was are made free from the wrath to come And says G. F. Thou hast discovered thy self to be no Minister of Christ who cannot give an Infallible Character of another Man p. 107. Again they say They are the Ministers of Righteousness declared to be so in all your Consciences an untruth To be in the life of all the Prophets and Christ in the Truth and by opposing the contrary doth imply they do perfectly keep God's Commands p. 360. And say The Quakers are the Preservers and Saviours of Souls p. 249. Also they say How can you but delude People who are not Infallible and are none of Christ's which have not the Spirit which is Infallible are not Ministers of the Gospel which is the Power of God p. 82. Hereby it is apparent they do imply not only their Spirit but themselves to be Infallible but they are not
because I do not cite his long side-long Quibbles And I have now another Book entituled The Perfect Pharisee c. and in pag. 1. where it 's said it was proposed to G. F. Whether he was equal with God In Answer thereto he G. F. positively affirmed I am equal with God Also in the same Page it 's said J. N. was asked Whether he believed any could be as Holy as God himself And he J. N. answered He did witness that he himself was as Holy as God Several other Errors are there charged on them which G. F. does not deny but over-looks them although they be in the beginning of the Book unto the 19th Page where he begins to take notice of some Impertinencies and so all along the Book being 51 Pages Also I have another Book entituled The Scornful Quaker c. where G. F. practises his old Trade of false Citing and Perverting as I shall shew in time but this is now to prove the Pride and Self-exaltedness of his Spirit One M. B. says of our Lord Jesus he knew our thoughts all our ways and who should betray him never the least Error-nor deceived c. Much more he says in three or four Pages how far our Lord Jesus excelled all Saints and they inferiour to him in Knowledge and Infallibility But he M. B. does allow the Saints do partake of the Nature and Fulness of God p. 92. But saith he They are not the Father nor the Godhead in fulness nor in part Yet G. F. is so wicked in his 89 Page to say in Answer to this Thou sayest they Saints have no part of the fulness of God quite contrary to what the Man says Here is an Untruth and a false Accusation and Perversion and false Quotation in these few words and yet this Spirit that is thus grossly wicked in him the Foxonian High-Priest W. Penn says he excels them all and nothing less than being equal with God and as he is in this World will satisfie this Self-exalted Spirit but as I have said before so I say again this Spirit could not be the Spirit of Truth our Lord promised the Disciples he would send because it 's so wicked and untrue therefore is Antichrist But to return to this good humble Christian M. B. After he had shewed how our Lord surpassed any Saint yet he allows that they partake of his fulness in measure c. But this would not serve G. F. because he M. B. says Our knowledge of others is by Observation or by Fruits or by special Revelation c. We know not the way of God in their Spirits until it be written on their foreheads and so says he are not as Christ in that respect And again says M. B. But the Quaker is bolder than all his fore-fathers he knows a Man as soon as ever he sees him or whether he be a Saint or a Devil though the Man discover not himself by word or action yet the Quaker knows him and all that he may be as Christ is Much of this G. F. quotes although not truly in his 89 Page and in Answer says to this M. B. Here thou hast shewn that the Quakers have a Spirit given to them beyond all the fore-fathers which we do witness since the days of the Apostles in the Apostacy and they Quakers can discern who be Saints and who are Devils without speaking ever a word And in pag. 31. says G. F. Are upon the Throne And then farther says G. F. As Christ is so are we in this present World and these words are not put in a different Character for Scripture And then farther on says G. F. Thou art an ignorant Man not knowing the condition they People be in unless they tell thee Observe G. F. cites this M. B's words as an Error because he M. B. said We are not as Christ is in this respect and does banter this good humble Christian M. B. for so saying and in opposition to M. B. says As he is so are we c. All this plainly proves G. F. did claim himself and wicked Spirit to be Infallible in Knowledge and as Christ is in that respect and not only that God's Spirit was so for that was not denyed but that himself and the Quakers was so as further appears comparing this with p. 5 10 11. in his opposing W. T. and R. F. when he G. F. so Luciferian-like assumes to himself and his wicked Spirit Infallibility he with both the same Persons is guilty of false Citing false Accusing Perversion and Lyes And it is not as G. W. in his Charitable Essay c. p. 6. by his wicked Quibbles would insinuate as if G. F. intended to know Peoples states only by their proud and lofty Looks wanton scornful envious and fallen Countenances which testifie against them saith G. W. But I am into this wilful wickedness of his will testifie against him for his Conscience knows better because this M. B. did allow and say p. 93. Our knowledge of others is by Observation Fruit and appearance of Things in the outward Man or by special Revelation from God Otherwise says M. B. all other mens Spirits are in the dark to us Here it 's plain this M. B. allows as much as G. W. by his Quibbles would make believe G. F. claimed But this would not content G. F. nothing less than being as Christ is in this respect of knowing mens inward conditions without discovery by word or action for that which G. W. pretends to by Looks or Actions is a sort of telling but saith G. F. Thou art an ignorant Man not knowing the condition they be in unless they tell thee And also G. F. opposes M. B's saying the Saints are not the Father they are not the Godhead neither in fulness nor part although this M. B. do allow they partake of the Nature and Fulness of God And for further Proof of G. F's assuming Infallibility in pag. 5. he says S. E. says That which is within them is not Eternal and Infallible c. Now in pag. 31. S. E. Although all the Saints have the Spirit of Christ dwelling in them which is Eternal and Infallible c. Now here is a gross Slander G. F. Prints against this Man quite contrary to his express words and this proves him and his Spirit wicked and fallible and a deluder of the People Therefore what heed or Credit can be given to these mens Printed Books that dare now Print such gross Slanders and Lyes What may not they Print hereafter when these Persons and their Books be extinct For most that are wrote against them are sticht Pamphlets now they re-print theirs in Volumes and so preserve them to Posterity to defame this Generation and their Religion and thereby exalt themselves and their Errors And as I said before S. E. did not deny they had the Infallible Spirit in them but owns it but does deny that that Spirit should do and say all that Saints
was in him and the like in every Man For say they The same Christ therein crucified ascended in a Book entituled Christian Doctrine and Society of the Quakers cleared c. p. 5. Whereby it 's plain they do not mean that Person our Lord Jesus of Nazareth but something in him and themselves was and is Christ And say they The Apostle brought the Saints to hear and see and handle the Word of God and they that will have fellowship with the Father must see with their Eyes and handle with their Hands in their Book entituled The Saints and their Communion c. p. 14 15. But St. Peter first Epist 1. 8. v. saith of our Lord Jesus Whom having not seen ye love Although now you see him not yet believing ye rejoyce Here St. Peter preached a Christ whom they had not nor did not see therefore surely they could not handle him as G. F. says And although they falsly say in their Discoverer Discovered p. 8. That T. C. set St. John and St. Peter at variance but T. C. mentions not St. John only shews how G. F's Doctrine opposed St. Peter's and 't is they who sets them at variance and not me by falsly pretending St. John's Doctrine and G. F's to agree But these Quakers Christ they Preach being not the same with St. Peter's but another is Antichrist And they endeavour to overthrow the Foundation of the Prophets and Apostles even our Lord Jesus of Nazareth in a Mysterious way for they do not begin with the uppermost or outer parts of the Christian Building because then their Design would be too obvious But this Mystery of Iniquity works more secretly and dangerously for why is it termed Antichrist but because it pretends to be Christ But its work is to undervalue and contemn our Lord Jesus of Nazareth his Sufferings and Blood and thereby make the Testimonies of most of the Prophets and Apostles to and of him in great part false Witnesses and his Sufferings Blood and Gospel made void and of no effect And such an open Gap or great Road made for the cruel Jews and Mahumetans to excuse themselves and Impeach or Condemn the Evangelists that I am not only ashamed but astonished to behold how the Watchmen slumber and mind not how these deceitful workers are laying another Foundation than that on which the Holy Men were built upon And although I have been a constant Hearer and Lover of them above Thirty Years and by the love I had for some of them ensnared in some of their Errors and did not so fully see the danger thereof until lately and mostly by their opposing and contradicting G. K. and Persecuting him and his Friends greatly convinced me that they did not Preach the same Gospel and Faith as the Apostles did 1 Cor. 15. Nor am I ashamed to confess my self was not sound in my Faith But it was the Mercy of God to let me see my Error and give me a mind to be more perfectly instructed therein And I desire the Lord for the sake of our dear Lord Jesus of Nazareth to keep me under a due sense of my Unworthiness and Ignorance and humbly thankful for his great Mercy and Love more especially in giving his dear Son who dyed for my Sins And I earnestly intreat all you Quakers who be honest minded not to be obstinate and high-conceited of your selves rather than come under some blame or reproach For I can by Experience tell you that you will in the end find a better Peace in confessing than maintaining your selves in Error Flatter not your selves that you have True Saving Faith because you do believe the Relation in Scripture concerning our Lord Jesus That he was and suffered as is recorded and because you believe he was a good Man and had the Spirit of God in him and in a greater measure than you have and that whereas the Jews said He deceived the People and that he did those Mighty Works by the Power of Satan You on the contrary believe it was the Mighty Power of God in him that wrought The Jews indeed seems to be more Blasphemous against the Holy Ghost But your Contempt of his Person Blood and Sufferings is Blasphemy against the Son of Man at least and therefore a great Sin But I say this of yours in the best sense is but a bare belief of Christ and is not True and Saving Faith in him because it is not fixt in him as the Foundation and fast-hold of your Souls for Salvation but a Principle of Light within you But the True Saving Faith fixes in him our Lord Jesus of Nazareth and his Sufferings Blood and Obedience in becoming a Sacrifice or Passover for us And the Satisfaction in the sufficiency of the Object or Subject and so relyance thereon is Faith and that which People most value or rely on in that properly is their Faith sixt As the Jews professed they believed in God but would not believe in our Lord Jesus as the Messiah Therefore said our Lord to them Ye believe in God believe also in me That is as he became Flesh or Man so he was our Saviour and so he is our Mediator and Intercessor in Heaven whole Christ even Jesus of Nazareth born of the Virgin Mary And seeing since his Ascension both Stephen and Paul see him so how and when since was our Lord Jesus of Nazareth separated from Christ Were it not better for you to acquiesce with the plain genuine sense of the Scripture than to stretch and strain some Expressions against the general scope thereof to countenance some erroneous Expressions of G. F. and others You are now to me as some other Perswasions were to you formerly you having been among them So I having so many Years owned and heard you can tell you by Experience that the Light within every Man only nor the most exactest and strictest Obedience thereto will not be a good Foundation for your Faith to fasten on or build upon Be not high-minded but take up your Cross and own this contemned Jesus for God hath highly exalted him and I can do no less than bear my Testimony against and disown this self-exalted Spirit of G. Fox and them who joyn with him in these unchristian Doctrines and do think that every individual Quaker is chargeable with them and all other their Errors publickly printed and allowed by your Chief Priests and Rulers until there be some publick Testimony given out by or on your behalf against them and whatever my Lot may be from you I am satisfied greater is he in whom I believe and trust even the same Jesus of Nazareth whom Peter preached whom you term Vessel Garment c. than the Light in every Man in the World Therefore you may as your fore-fathers did cry aloud until Evening against me I cannot fear the whole Host of you although I know you be many Thousands for my trust and hope is in the Mercy of God for the sake