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A54014	The discoverer discovered; or, The lot cast, T.C. taken, and the Babylonish garment found hid under his stuff Being a reply to a late pamphlet, entituled, A discovery of the accursed thing, &c. subscribed T.C. With some remarks upon two papers of John Penny man's. By E.P.	Penington, Edward, 1667-1701.	1695 (1695)	Wing P1143; ESTC R217510	24,798	49

Then certainly every Member is partaker of the same Life the same Blood the same Strength the same Virtue and the same Substance with the Head though not in the same degree a lively Type whereof was the Ointment that was upon Aaron 's head that went down to the very skirts of his garment Psal 133.2 So that 't was the same Ointment still though not in that quantity which was upon the Head that ran down to the very Skirts but the Head was the place from whence this Ointment flowed unto the Inferior Parts Now having taken notice of what passages in his Paper to me seemed most worthy of notice as deserving to have a black Line drawn over them and a Mark set on them for the Scandals Abuses and Unfairness contained in them though I must needs confess his whole Sheet from one end to the other is little else but one continued Slander I shall draw to a Conclusion solemnly declaring That it is not Malice I can truly say against the Man that drew these Lines from me but Trouble to see his gross Perversions of good Mens Writings and Meanings and that I fear against his own Knowledge after this manner and the very worst I wish to him or the rest concerned with him in this ill Work is their Repentance That their many hard Words and bitter Speeches against the Church of Christ in general or any Member or Members thereof in particular may not be laid to their Charge at the great Day of Judgment when not only all Actions but the Secrets of all Hearts shall be laid open and a Just Reward rendred by Christ to every Man according to his Doings E. P. POSTSCRIPT SInce the writing of the above I observed that at the close of his Paper T. C. refers to a former Book of his Entituled Animadversions c. whereupon I perused that Book which I had never done before and therein found sufficient cause for Animadversions upon his Animadversions However at present I shall take notice but of two passages of my Fathers which so affront him that the occasion he takes to quarrel with them takes up a considerable part of that Book and very angry he is with G. W. for writing any thing in Vindication of them but however though I should incur his Displeasure too as a Duty I owe to the Dead I shall endeavour it by taking notice of those Passages and comparing them with some other in the same Book Explanatory of them in the mean time passing over the Reflections he casts upon G. W. as knowing him able to answer for himself if not already done provided he see Cause The first is Part 2. p. 19. of my Father's Works which I have quoted at large before but shall now take notice of that part which so much offends him and which if we may believe him he never saw nor heard of before Anim. p. 20. that he should never find it till just now he has a Mind to Cavil at it may be so but 't is strange probably he means he never saw nor heard it to be false Doctrine before and is as followeth This we certainly know and can never call the bodily Garment Christ but that which a●peared and dwelt in the Body Now p. 7. He says it is evident it was intended to undervalue our Lord Jesus his Person as Body and Soul living neither are such distinctions in Scripture as Is P. makes since Jesus his Incarnation but by him made in order to his Contempt c. But for all T. C's haste I hope before I leave this Subject to prove by Scripture that the Body when mentioned distinct from the Divinity is not termed Christ but his Body both Dead and Living When Dead it is in so many words called The Body of Jesus John 19.38 And he himself calls it a Temple John 2.19 which v. 21. is explained to be the Temple of his Body which he viz. Christ the Word mentioned in the foregoing Chapter would raise up in three days And the Apostle Paul in his Epistle to the Colossians distinguishing between the Divinity and Humanity of Christ says v. 16. For by him were all things created that are in heaven c. But 21 22 And you that were sometimes alienated and Enemies in your mind by wicked works yet now hath he reconciled in the Body of his flesh through Death Now I would ask T. C. Doth my Father deny the Name Christ to the Body united to the Word or abstractly when speaking concerning the Body only I affirm and that I will prove by other Quotations out of the same Book that he owns the Name Christ to belong to that Body as it was the Vessel which contained the Anointing from whence the Name Christ proceeds Page 6. speaking concerning the Seed of the Woman he saith This Seed we know to be the Seed of Abraham the Seed of David after the Flesh and the Seed of God after the power of an endless Life and we are taught of God to give the due honour to each to the Seed of God in the first place to the Seed of David in the second place And that due Honour he farther explains p. 12. Q. 6. To whom do the Names and Titles Jesus and Christ chi fly and in the first place belong Do they belong to the Body which was took by him or to him who took the Body c Then it seems he allows that in the second place they belong to the Body in respect to him who took the Body But to clear the Point farther see p. 13. the latter part of Q. 11. Have we the denomination and relation with Christ from that which is Spiritual And hath Christ himself the Name from or because of the Body of Flesh Nay nay the Name Christ was from the Anointing which was in the Body which run into and filled the Vessel It is true the Body in and by the Vnion partakes with him of his Name but the Name belongs chiefly and most properly to the Treasure in the Vessel Methinks by T. C's leave this may p●ss for an Explanation of his meaning but if not with him it may with others less prejudiced and manifest my Father not to be guilty of Errors and Contempt of our Lord Jesus as he is charged to be Animadversions p. 26. The second passage is quoted by T. C. Animad p. 27. His quarrel is with an Expression in the said Book of my Fathers which runs thus p. 13. For that which he took upon him was our Garment even the Flesh and Blood of our Nature which is of an earthly perishing Nature Now mark he speaks in the present Tense Our Flesh and Blood is and not in the time past his Flesh and Blood was of an earthly perishing Nature 't is true 't was our Garment Flesh and Blood like ours or else how could he be perfect Man But the Sacrifice of his Body was so seasoned with the Divine Salt of the Covenant that

therewith he gives us a kind of confession of Faith but so worded as if he thereby meant to exalt the humanity of Christ above the Divinity and plainly undervalues the Light in every Man much like the old Professours and truly puts so mean a price on it as to its sufficiency as less could not well be unless he had added their thread-bare Epithets of Natural and Diabolical He says And whatsoever my lot may be from you I am satisfied greater is he in whom I believe and trust even the same Jesus of Nazareth whom you term Vessel Garment c. then the Light in every Man in the World And a little lower for my trust and hope is in the mercy of God for the sake of my Lord Jesus of Nazareth without me and his Obedience and Sufferings c. Now pray Observe he esteems the Body which the Father prepared for the Son wherein to do the Fathers will Heb. 10.5.7 greater than the word which was in the beginning with God and was God John 1.1 In whom was Life and the Life was the Light of Men. v. 4. and who was the true Light which Lighteth every Man that cometh into the world v. 9. But to make this the more clear Pray what was that which they term Vessel Garment c. ' On whom only T. C. fixes his Faith and relies on for Salvation My Father I. P. at whom T. C. designs this flurt says Part 2. p. 19. of the Collection of his works Now the Scriptures do expresly distinguish between Christ and the garment which he wore between him that came and the Body in which he came between the substance which was vailed and the vail which vailed it Lo I come a Body hast thou prepared me There is plainly he and the Body in which he came There was the outward Vessel and the inward Life This we certainly know and can never call the bodily Garment Christ but that which appeared and dwelt in the Body Now if ye indeed know the Christ of God tell us plainly what that is which appeared in the Body Whether that was not the Christ before it took up the Body after it took up the Body and for ever Whereby it appears to me that it is on the outward Man of Christ without respect to that which dwelt therein Col. 2.19 which my Father here terms Vessel Garment c. which T. C. relies on for Salvation If that be not his sentiments let him lay his matters more closely together another time and not let his malice carry him so far into an extream on that hand whilst he is labouring to prove those he quarrels with guilty of an extream on the other hand He proceeds I am not ashamed of this my belief and hope in him whom ye contemn Truly if he were not quite shameless he might be ashamed that he who hath been a hearer of the Quakers above Thirty years should now dare to say that they contemn Jesus Christ whom he can't but have heard frequently preached amongst them not only as he appears in Spirit but likewise as he became Man was born of the Virgin Mary Suffered under Pontius Pilate was Crucified Dead and Buried rose again the third day and ascended into Heaven and Sits on the Right Hand of the Majesty on High from whence he shall come to Judge both the quick and the dead Therefore he is the more inexusable in that he cannot plead ignorance so I shall Charge it upon him as a wilful Error and that a very vile and gross one too I must needs say he don't go about to Cloake it so as barefac'd slander I return it back upon him to see whether or no it will yet make him blush But now his hand is in he scribbles on and tumbles them out thick and threefold as much without fear as wit says he p. ibid. You preach a Christ Crucified in him c. But the Author of this Doctrine being nameless I suppose he has forgot who it was and truly I cannot blame him for forgetting what I believe never had any other Foundation then meer imagination Next comes something in Print there I 'le believe him for I read it in a Paper subscribed T. C. but where else to find it I can't tell for my part therefore since he hath not vouchafed to instruct me in that point I shall for all his Capital letter'd remarks take no farther notice of it at present only that there are so many Scratches one at the end of almost every sentence that I question not but he has severly mangled that quotation and that openly appears without any Mistery to be no part of a good Christian Page 3. He smooths over F. B's Mock Pillory and speaks I doubt not more then he is able to prove as in relation to the prosecution of F. B. if by they he means the Quakers But as to G. K's and his adherents sufferings he has got a pretty faculty of magnifying them which if he be not able to make good as there exprest by my consent he shall stand on F. B's Pillory next time as a false accuser instead of those Twelve In short that whole Paragraph savours of Tertullus's Spirit though not of his Eloquence in endeavouring to perswade the Overseers as he calls them that the Quakers aim at the subversion of the Faith the contrary whereof is most true As to his many Quotations out of G. F's Great Mystery I have spent some time in examining them and find some of them so sound that he hath not been able to corrupt them and truly I admire to what end he Transcribed those unless it were to shew us that he cannot bear sound Doctrine when G. F. is the Publisher of it But for the most part he hath grosly misrepresented abused misquoted curtailed and misapplied passages which in themselves taking them as they stand in the Book would not admit of such Constructions as he puts upon them too large to be here recited but for a taste I here present the Reader with the following Observations wherein I have endeavoured to rescue them from the false Glosses he puts upon them In his third page that he may not come behind the very worst of the Opposers and Slanderers of that Eminent Servant of Christ now at rest he saith G. Fox being charged to have said He was Christ he answers It was a Lie but saith Christ in the Male or Female if he speak he was Christ the Seed and the Seed was Christ But he said he did not speak it as a Creature p. 299. Whereupon T. C. makes this Remark I take him to mean It was not the Creature G. F. but Christ in him that said He was Christ But if I should tell him That 't is either his shortness of Understanding or aboundings of Malice against G. F. that makes him run into this mistake I know not how he would take it but however that is the true state of the

Case For the Sentence explains it self and take him to mean thus viz. He G. F. tho' he give the Name Christ to something that is in him and spake through him yet it was no Creature nor of him G. F. but was the Seed which is Christ the same in both Male and Female 2 Cor. 13.15 compared with Gal. 3.16 and 28. He quotes p. 67. his Words are these Also by opposing another they do imply they are equal with God for they say to an Opponent Thou makest a great pudder that any should witness he is equal with God T. C. should have been so fair as to have adjoined to this Quotation the latter part of G. F's Answer but since he hath not I shall do it for him After G. F. hath recited a passage out of The Catechism of the Assembly of Divines so called viz. That the Holy Ghost and the Son is equal in Power and Glory with the Father he adds Yet if any one come to witness the Son revealed in him or come to witness the Holy Ghost in them as they that gave out the Scriptures or witness the Mind of Christ and witness that equal which the Father that equality which you speak of You Priests destroy that which you have put forth in the Nation and cry out Horrid Blasphemy Thus far G. F. and now much good may this Citation do T. C. and the pudder he has made about it too But he hath not done with this Point yet he says G. F. being charged to profess Equality with God he answers G. Fox 's words were spoken beyond and out of all Creatures p. 127. Here is mangling work with a witness he has cut off the Head and Tail of this Sentence and only left us the middle which as it lyes together is solid Sence for after G. F. had repeated the foregoing passage of the Assembly of Divines he in farther Vindication of himself from that foul Aspersion they had cast upon him adds Yet nevertheless George 's words was not spoken as ye preach them for his words were spoken beyond all Creatures and out of all Creatures and he did not say George Fox But of this enough and full enough to shew his corrupt Dealings in abusing a Man who is dead and so not able to answer for himself but Malice unbounded will take into the Graves of the Dead if possible to make the Objects of their hatred stink in the Nostrils of the Living but when all is done they for the most part make themselves stink alive when the Memory of good Men though they have been never so much scandalized is as the Odour of sweet Ointment and the good savour which the remembrance of their Virtues hath left upon the Spirits of those who survive Embalms their Names to Posterity So having I hope cleared this Point to the Impartial Rea er I shall next take a view of a Scoff he puts upon the Quakers for professing a being guided by an Infallible Spirit for which he quotes p. 105. which whole Paragraph hath relation to the Infallibility of the Spirit of God which saith G. F. is now possessed and witnessed amongst those called Quakers Now either the Spirit of God is a fallible Spirit which let him assert if he dare or 't is not communicated to Mankind contrary to 1 Cor. 12.7 and Joel 2.28 29. or 't is not necessary towards making a Man a Christian contrary to Rom. 8.9 or else T. C's Cavil is groundless And as to what he mentions concerning Peter and Simon Magus I wont undertake to resolve his Doubt but I question not at all Peter's knowing by the Revelation of the Infallible Spirit of God and by no outward Means that Ananias and Sapphira had Lied against the Holy Ghost in that Case Acts 5. and that was 1636. Years ago instead of his 36 and for all that it is not lost yet For I will undertake to prove if T. C. be so far degenerated from the very form of sound words as to deny it that the Infallible Spirit of Christ is now possessed and witnessed amongst all true Christians whatsoever For if they have it not the Apostle tells us they are none of Christ's and if not Christ's then no true Christians Moreover I Challenge T. C. to prove if he can that ever any real Quaker owned as such among the Quakers ascribed Infallibility to any Man or number of Men otherwise than as immediately influenced by the guidance of the Infallible Spirit of God for his Inferences without Proof will but shew his Envy and considering how much he hath manifested himself not only an Adversary but also an unfair Adversary will not satisfie reasonable Men. Now to prove him guilty of unfairness in this very particular I shall Transcribe his Quotation and then that Paragraph in the Book it self which compared together will sufficiently clear up the Matter T. C. p. 3 and 4. Also they say How can you but delude the People who are not Infallible p. 82. Hereby opposing others they imply not only the Spirit but themselves to be Infallible Now G. F's own words run thus And how can they but delude People that are not Infallible and are none of Christ's which have not the Spirit which is Infallible and are not Ministers of the Gospel which is the Power of God which is Infallible Pray what Credit is there to be given to this Man's Quotations or Assertions either Well I would advise him the next time he writes either to be Honester in his Quotations or else take that Course altogether which he hath in part already viz. neither Name Book nor Author In his fourth Page he quarrels with G. F. for calling Christ The Root of God and nothing will serve him but he must put it in Capital Letters with a This I think is Blasphemous at the end of it nay it sticks so in his Stomach that p. 5. he must have t'other fling at it and there he comes in with a Parenthesis and says But I think this their Doctrine is the Root of Blasphemous Rantism But why so angry I pray Is not Christ mentioned as a Root Rom. 11.18 And is not Christ God's 1 Cor. 3.23 Therefore where is the Blasphemy in saying Christ is the Root of God I think he may as well be called the Root as the Foundation of God see 1 Cor. 3.11 compared with 2 Tim. 2.19 since it refers to Men and not to God About the beginning of p. 5. he is guilty of a gross Perversion and it looks like a wilful one too for he hath omitted not only one whole Sentence but the word and at the beginning of the next which greatly alters the Sence besides his omitting what followed which is Explanatory of G. F's meaning the passage is so clear in it self and T. C's abuse so visible that I shall only rehearse it first as quoted by him and secondly as it stands in the Book it self and then leave it to the impartial