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A87908	Treason arraigned, in answer to Plain English; being a trayterous, and phanatique pamphlet, which was condemned by the Counsel of State, suppressed by authority; and the printer declared against by proclamation. It is directed to the Lord General Monck, and the officers of his army, &c.	L'Estrange, Roger, Sir, 1616-1704.	1660 (1660)	Wing L1318A; Thomason E1019_14; ESTC R203945	22,391	35

face by a Cloud of Witnesses if be would have put himself upon tryal when he was called to answer for his actions ALas good Gentleman you suspect the General No body can have such a Thought sure you do but Mind him of his Duty now and then Refresh his memory and whet his spirits He ha's declared himself against returning to our old bondage under that Family which God so wonderfully cast out before you But not against the liberty and title of that Person whom God may no less wonderfully Bring in before you and I suppose my confidence is better grounded that the People will never more take pleasure in you then yours is that God will take no pleasure in Him the Nation will as little endure the Rump as you the King But all this while you Beg the Question How comes the King to be mentioned The young man as your Gravity descends to call him he 's poor and his Friends Beggerly You have the Ballance of property on your side my masters you 're safe enough then I would advise you now to waite and not Prejudge Authority You 're to obey not to Impose a Government If you proceed to murmu●e ●and shew your Teeth when you cannot Bite 't will be the worse for you Indeed your Good old Patriots will be the Minor vole again of the next Pa●liament if you behave not your selves more mod●stly the p●ople will suspect you for mutinous s●rvants prove but untoward masters Monopolies and some misgovernments were the True Cause that engaged the well meaning people in the Quarrel not extirpation of both Laws and Governors But if your Adversaries do as you say grow proud and Insolent in such a case you may be allowed to whet your spirits ae you express your selves any thing but your knives you were at that sport once your Judgement and your conscience we are satisfied in alas the difference betwixt yours and ours is but a Trifle What we take to be slavvery you call Freedom A Rebel in our Judgement is a Patriote in yours Murther a Sacrifice Robbing of Churches in your soft opinion is but unclothing of the Whore a thing the Rump's a little given to we term That sacriledge One frailty I must needs take notice of among you for all your talk of Providence I find your Arme of Flesh strikes a great stroke in your spiritual conflicts and when y' are worsted you 'l take eggsfor your mony and Acquiesce as well as your neighbors This I observe to be one Article of your Faith you argue from Divine Omnipotency that Providence is ever on the stronger side Suppose the Gentlemen of the Back side should look on for a Fit now the Reyal Family you say God cast out before us Who casts out these But to make all sure you press the General and his Officers to declare that they 'l continue of the same perswasion with you This perseverance I confess is a main point you should do well to leave a note where they may find you for you 're a little variable and they 're a little shy of medling with those that are giv●n to change You 're possibly this day resolved for a Republick tenext for a Protector by and by a Counsell of Officers and then a Committee of Safety Come come Gentlemen the Generall will be just without your Counsels and steady in despight of all your Arguments Speak on Give us leave we beseech you to add● one thing more which we had almost forgotten to shew the ●adnesse of those men that cancelled the Votes of Non-Address and would have brought back the late King by the Isle of Wigh●-Treaty and would now is they might have their wills bring in his Son by the like viz. that at the very time when that Treaty was on foot though this young man who was then at Sea in the revolted Ships declared all to be null which should be agreed on by his Father yet hand over head in they would have had him as others would now restore the Son upon the very same termes which he so positively declared himself an enemy to in his Fathers dayes Good God! what a spirit of slumber hach s●ised such men who were once deeply engaged with us in the Common Cause As for your Excellencie far be it from us to entertain any suspition concerning you supposing you must needs have upon your heart the true interest of Religion and your own too and how much it is concerned in keeping out of that Family whose restitution we believe God will not now permit unto any Designers seeing he hath from time to time so signally blasted all former undertakings As to what concerns Religion you know what hath bin their Education and Depend●ncy abroad and should they return 't is obvious all other parties would be put upon their Guard to defend themselves against him and his Clergie at home and so all sorts of religious Parties being constrained to combine for mutual preservation and liberty the War will soon be renewed upon the point where it at first began WHat pitty 't would have been this Gentleman should have forgot a thing that never was the King indeed sent an express to the City the coppy whereof was carried to the House by the Sheriffs and some of the Common-Coun ell 3. Aug. 1647. But not a syllable of what he mentions in it nor any thing that way tending yet was it ea●erly debated in Terminis that the Pri●ce should be Declared a R●bell and a Traytour Among other Reasons why it was laid by one was the Covenant a second was This It would not do well to vote the Prince a Traytour the same day that messengers were sent to invite the King his Father to a Treaty The clamorous puppy might bethink himself of better Language especially Addressing to an Eminent Person The madness of those men he calls it that cancell'd the votes of non-Addresses and would have sav'd the King c. If all were mad that would have sav'd That King or that love This we should not find many sober Persons in the Kingdom This Fellow keeps so much stirr to cleer his Party of any jealousie upon his Excellency that he most evidently creates and discovers one How comes Religion now To trouble our Atheistique Saints These Reprobates have violent taken the Father's life and thrown the Son out of his Right and Dominions exposing him to the charity of Forreign Princes for a subsistence and after this his Education abroad is made an Argument by this Brute against his Return where will he be next now As to your own interest in the station where God hath placed you 't is well known what the private sence and opinion of that Party is concerning your Excellency because you have been an Instrument in keeping Scotland many years with so great vigilance and prudence free from the attempts of that irreconcileable Enemy Admit such a thing were possible which some fancie that you should be the

Declaration and be satisfied to the full whether or no the late King and his Family deserved death and extirpation I Pr'ethee do not choak us with the venerable Sound of Parliament I talk to you and of that Mungrel-mixture you plead for A Parliament cannot do amisse be not too quick now they may have done Amisse and the next Session may repeal or mend it What they did I don't Question but what you say will as I humbly conceive admit a Castigation Look back upon your self These are your Words Which he never enterteyn'd Treaty that is but with intent of Treachery and thereby frustrated their good Intentions and Endeavours before ever they passed the Votes of Non-Address At this rate you ground the Non-Address upon the Kings Intention of Treachery A Positive disclaim of your obedience upon a Possible Dis-ingenuity in your Prince Come to cut short Dare you say that he promised and failed That 's Treachery to Betray a Trust By this Rule of Proceeding had you required his Life and he refused you might have taken it his Crime was only the Non-Concession of what you demanded and he gave his Reasons too for that Refusal Well but let 's come up to the Vote it self I have already proved that it concerns not the secluded Members and now I shall entreat you to Back my opinion with a slip of your own Pen Their honest strictness in the Negative afterward and their adhesion to it through all extremities speaks manifestly the Intention of the parly and that acquirs them 'T is your own Argument in your fourth expostulation you charge his treaty with a treacherous intent which you infer from a subsequent manifestation of himself by Action But to dispatch should I grant all you claim yet did not the late King and his family deserve death and extirpation The premises will not amount to 't Now if you please go on As for our parts we very well recount the Series of past transactions and do remember that in February 1647. when the two Houses of Parliament passed their Resolves of making no further Address but determined to lay him wholly aside they never were in a greater state of security and freedom never passed any thing with greater deliberation and never the least disturbance or alteration arose in either of the Houses against those Resolves untill some Persons in the Commons House otherwise affected and who by procuring Elections of Persons fit for their turn to serve in Parliament in vacant places brought in new men of the Cavalier stamp as is known like themselves and thereby out-balancing the old Patriots gained the Major Vote of the House and so with heat and by design obtained a revoking of those Resolves which had been passed by both Houses in a time of temper upon most serious Consideration so that though we shall not take upon us ex absoluto to justifie the interposure of the Souldiery afterwards and their Exclusion of the Adverse Members it being a transcendent Act not to be measured by ordinary Rule and which nothing can justifie but Supreme necessity yet this we can truely say in their defence In Judgement and Conscience there was so indispensible a necessity that had they not interposed those Principles and the Concernments of the Commonwealth upon which the aforesaid Resolves of both Houses were founded had been utterly shipwrackt and the whole Cause and its Defenders most inevitably have sunk together seeing the same heady confidence in treaty was then given to the Father which too many now encline to allow unto the Son who were first engaged against them in the War and held out to the time of the last treaty whom of all other men his party do hate upon that accompt and if they had an opportunity would be sure to make them fall the severest Sacrifices to the Revenge and Memory of his Fath r. THis is already sif●ed and a little picking will serve the Turn here A Cavalier I find is onely an Honest man that crosses a Fantan but the Old Patriots it seems were the Minor part of the House and that 's enough to entitle the Nation to the Benefit of the Treaty resolved upon For Sir if you 'l give us leave we 'l be governed by the Major part It 's true your Supreme necessity is a pretty popular Sophisme But As necessity has no Law so is it none nor in any case pleadable against Law but by the Judges of the Law which at all hands is confessed to be the Parliament and the Major part of the Two Houses in conjunction with the King have ever denominated That I must needs take a little pains to correct the Centleman in his next Fleere upon the Presbyterians He hangs like a Cock-sparrow upon the aforesaid Resolves of both Houses which is but an old Trick of a laying Knaves Bastard at an Honest mans door and then he preaches most Infallible Destruction to the first engagers whom the King will be sure to sacrifice to the Revenge and memory of his Father This opinion or rather suggestion of his opposes all Principles of Honesty Generosity and Prudence which fall within the latitude of the case Nay Taking for Granted the very entrance upon the War Justifiable There might be Then a Question now there 's none They intended onely a Reformation here 's a Dissolution A liberty was there Designed here 's an Intollerable slavery Imposed Those quitted when they saw their error These for that very Reason proceed There is in fine this Difference one side would Destroy the King the other would preserve him These would Govern without Law and the other would be governed by Law After all this peremptory rudeness at large he bethinks himself at last of an Apology to the General and now the Pageant moves We urge not these things with an intent to make the least reflection upon your Excellency and our Brethren the Officers under your command as if we suspected your sincerity and constancy after so many plain and and pos●●ive Declarations against returning to our old Bondage under that Family which God so wonderfully cast out ●efore us and wherein we are confident he for his own Name and peoples sake will never more take pleasure but in regard the old Adversaries behave themselves insolently and proudly and publikely give out the time is coming wherein they shall satisfie their lusts u●o● us we thought it convenient to whet your spirits with a repetition of these things as we have done our own that the world may see we yet own our Cause and do believe that what we have done as Instruments in driving out that Family we have done in Judgement and Conscience and that you take a convenient time to let men understand plainly that you also will continue of the same perswasion with us for as much as there are none of the particulars charged upon the late King in the following Declaration which would not with many more have been proved to his

the two Nations He that curs'd M●roz He that was sent Commissioner into Scotland taught them their L●sson There and then returning taught some of our reputative Divines to sing the same Tune Here This is the Man that clos'd with Nye when Presbytery went down and carried the 4. Bills to the King at Carisbrook-Castle for which they had 500l apiece I could tell you of some more of the Gang that under Question for confederacy with Love after a due formality of seeking God delivered as upon accompt of Inspiration that Oliver Protectour was the person and his the Government of all that ever were or should be the most agreeable to God This is not to lessen the esteem of Holy Orders neither to fix a rash irreverend Censure upon the Ministry No man reveres the Character of a Churchman more than my self But 't is to shew the World how much our Pamphlet-Merchand is steer'd by Interest and Passion and how little by Reason and Truth The grinning Whelp now betwixt snarling and fawning would fain perswade the General and his Officers and all the World beside that the Resolve of Non-Addresses by the Lords and Commons was introductive to the Murther of the King Murther I say that 's the Plain English of what he stiles A most Noble Act of Justice His Methode lyes through direct Contradictions to the Universal Rules of Logique Truth and Honesty By this Insinuation he charges that Exorbitance upon the two Houses and draws an Inference from the Impardonable Quality of that Action to the Nec●ssity and Reason of pursuing it This he pretends to make appear in spight of Ignorance and ●nvy from the Commons Declaration in persuance of the Resolve of Both Houses ●onteyning the Reasons why no further Address and thence proceeds to a Determination upon the Fathers Life and the Son's Inheritance as positively fixing upon the King's Accompt those Plagues this Nation has Endured as if the Graceless villain were of Counsel with the Eternal wi●edom I shall observe in order and First I 'll prove that the vote of Non-Addr●sse was not properly an Act of the two Houses or if it were so that it did not rationally direct to the King's Li●e Secondly T●at Declaration of the Commons SINGLY decla●ing the Reasons of the resolve of Both Houses J●yntly does not amount either ●o a Justification or Intention of taking the King's Life No not though I should g●ant the Members Free which I cannot and the Authority Full which I do not To the First They were under a force Upon a Debate in the Commons House concerning the Kings Answer to the 4. Bills presented to him Dec. 24. 1647. and debated Jan. 3. Commissary Ireton delivered ●imself after this manner The King had deny'd safety and Protection to his people by denying the 4. Bills that Subjection to him was but in lieu of his Protection to his People this being deny'd they might well deny any more subjection to him and settle the Kingdom without him That is was now expected after so long patience they should shew their Resolution and not desert those valiant men who had engaged for them beyond all possibility of Retreat and would never forsake the Parliament un●esse the Parliament forsook them first From hence naturally results the menace of the Army in case the Parliament should forsake them and Ireton understood the Souldjery too well to mistake them As yet ●ere's nothing Capital pretended against the King After some more Debate Cromwell urged that it was now expected the Parliament should govern and defend the Kingdom by their own Power and Resolutions and not teach the people any longer to exp c● safety and Government from an obstinate man whose heart God had hardened That those men who had def●nded the Parliament f●om so many dangers with the expe●ce of their Blood would defend them herein with Fidelity and Courage against all Opposition Teach them not by neglecting your own and the Kingdoms safety in which their own is Involved to think themselves betray'd and left hereafter to the rage and malice of an irreconcileable enemy whom they have subdued for your sake and therefore are likely to find his future Government of them Insupportable and fuller of Revenge than Justice * left Despair teach them to séek their safety by some other means than adhering to you who will not stick to your selves how destructive such a Resolution in them will be to you all I Tremble to think and leave you to Judge This Speech concluded the debate and the better to Impresse his meaning he laid his hand upon his Sword at the end of it If this be not a Force what is the Power and Inclination of the Army being the only moving Arguments to obtain the Vote The Question was then put and Carried for no more Addresses But no pretence still that extends to Life I shall appeal now to the Declaration it self to which our Regicidal Babbler refers the world for satisfaction First the Sectarians had stol'n a Vote Jan. 4. to engarrison Whitehall and the Mewes the Lords not mention'd in the case their manner of obtaining it was This 'T was Noon and the Independent Party call'd to Rise The Presbyterians went their waies to Dinner the Independents stayed and did their Businesse The Lords opposed the vote for non-Addresse 10. to 10. but the Engagement of the Army cast it who sent a Declaration to the Commons of thanks for their 4 Votes against the King engaging to defend them with their Lives c. Is this a Force yet Soon after this comes forth a Declaration and Reasons c. Drawn by a Committee appointed by the Independents c. So that even That too was a Piece Contrived by the Designers of our Mischief and by a Force Extorted from the Sober rest that would have Saved us This appears from the Interpose of the Presbyterians to moderate the Eagernesse of it upon the debate The Last 4. lines of the said Declaration will be sufficient to stop the mouth of any Reasonable Person as to the point of Life even without the Violence which undenyably produced the Rest After an Enumeration of diverse Particulars objected against the King The Declaration concludes Thus These are some few of the many Reasons why we cannot repose any more Trust in him and have made those former Resolutions meaning the 4. Votes whereof that of non-Address was one yet we shall use our ut most Endeavours to settle the present Government as may best stand with the Peace and Happinesse of this Kingdom This very Declaration touches not his life it is not said settle A present Government but The relating properly to an Amendment not an Abolition Considering the Grammar of it I do not wonder much at a Complyance in some Measure to an Indecency in order to prevent a Greater Ill that Threatened Them and Vs and That was their design For when it came at last to the Result of Life and Death as

then 't was evident it amounted to no lesse Those Gentlemen whom the Author of Plain English would willingly engage as Complicates those Gentlemen I say did then oppose themselves against the Murtherous Faction and voted for a Treaty Dev. 4. Upon the 6. they were Imprisoned and Affronted by the Army for their pains When the more moderate Party was removed the Rest were left at liberty to consummate the Kingdom's Ruine and their own Damnation Come I 'll go ●urther with the angry man put case these Gentlemen had gone yet Forward and dipp'd as deep as he could wish they had Frailty is an inseparable from our nature 'T is Humane to Transgress 'T is Christian to Forgive and 't is our Interest to Repent He that delivers me by Designe ' though but from that mis fortune which he himself engaged me in upon mistake he is so sar from any Reason to apprehend my Revenge he ha's a Title to my Kindness but our Incorrigil●e MONITOR sets up his Rest upon a Final Reprobated Impenitence 'T is the Will Qualifies the Action I have been Tedious out of desire to be Clear but I shall Hast●n and Contract as much as possible Having already proved the Declaration of the Reasons why no more Addresses to have been an evident contrivance of the Independent Faction in the very Frame of it and Publish'd while the Army stood to Dare and over-awe the sober Party that was likely to oppose it I do not hold my self concerned in any further notice of the Particulars therein Conteined and which our Challenger produces as an unanswerable Eviction that the Late King and his Family deserved Death and Extirpation as by and by he tells you Yet something shall be said even to his Quaeres thence extracted in due place but I must first unvtile him to the People and that by laying open the Dilemna he proceeds upon He reasons Thus My Businesse sayes he to himself must be to hinder an Agreement with the King The Presbyterian party I 'm afraid enclines to 't If he returns we 're Lost My own Soul tells me we have sinn'd beyond Remission and yet I see no way to hinder it neither The Nation is united against us the Presbyterian abhors us as much as the Royal Party does and the Army it self begins to declare it self our Enemy What 's to be done must be both Quick and Home These six waies lye before us First the Army must be wrought into a Tumult Secondly The Presbyterian must be Right or Wrong involved with us in Guilt and consequently in Danger They must be made to share in the Blood of the Father and in the Detestation of the Son and be possessed that there can be no sa●ety to Them but in a Common Interest with our selves To this end we may forge Letter's from Brussels Suborn Witnesses to swear the King a Papist c. Thirdly The Cavalier must be perswaded that the Presbyter only designs to set up for himself and Arguments drawn from by-past and mistaken Failings upon promise to beget a Jealousie The inconsistency of Episopal with Presbyterian Principles must be objected c. Fourthly All Persons interessed in Estates got by the War must be engaged for fear of losing them Fifthly The General himself must be sollicited to take the Government upon him Promises urged no matter whether true or false If this won't do A lvise him as a Friend to have a care of the City and lid the City look to him Perplex them Both We 'll confound all the World rather than perish Lastly We may publish the Declaration of the Reasons for no f●rther Addresses and try if that way we can either make a Party among themselves or with the People We may so bring it in it shall be dangerous to reply upon for fear of dis●●liging and as unsafe to let alone for fear of seducing Here 's t●e Dil●mma It will be answered or it will not If it be 't will startle the Presbyterian if otherwise 't will puzzle the P●ople I wish our Common Enemy would go this open way to work Here 's the true State and Method of our Adversaries Thoughts and Actions Now to his Quaeres wherein I shall be tender how I revive Disputes either unkind or unseasonable and yet not wanting to my Vndertaking That is my Vndertaking to make evident that his Fo●ndation is sandy and the entire Structure composed of rotten Materials I 'll take his what shall I call them Suppositions Objections Questions or call them what you will one by one and reply upon them in his own Order Here he begins WOuld you see how and by whom the Irish Rebellion began and upon whose score those unparallel'd barbarous Massacres of hundreds of thousands of the Protestants in Ireland do lye NO we would not see Now We Question not but you 'd be Kind enought to sh w us and cut our Throats here just as those Rebels did their Fellow-Subjects there For an ●r●sh Rebel is but the Anagram of an English P●anatique By whom now is another Question and a Harder Beshrew me ' ti● a P●ev●sh point Why the I●●sh Rebe●●ion began by the Irish Rebels a● the English R●bellion did by the English R●●els I hope Commo●ions in Ir●land are no Miracles nor●i● it needfull to assign them any other reason than the Humour of the Peopl● Yet I 'll be civil to you I speak my Soul I do believe the Irish Catholiques in that Rebellion which you point at took flame at the Severity they apprehended from some extraordinary Declarations against them here previous to their Rebellion This I must adde further the King for 't is at Him our Author's malice strikes at his Return from Scotland did earnestly and particularly recommend the care of Ireland to both Houses in his Speech Dec. 2d 1641. upon the 14th he pressed them once again to the same purpose Adding the great Necessity of Dispatch the daily Cries and Importunityes of the Irish Protestants and offering all his Power and Interest toward their Relief in these very Terms See the Exact Collections the 1. and 2. Speeches in the Book That nothing may be omitted on my part I must here take notice of the Bill for pressing of Soldiers now depending among you my Lords concerning which I here declare that in case i● come so to me as it may not infringe or diminish my Prerogative I will pass it And further seeing there is a Dispute raised I being little beholding to him whosoever at this time began it concerning the bounds of this antient and undoubted Prerogative to avoid further debate at this time I offer that the Bill may passe with a Salvo jure both for King and People leaving such Debates to a time that may better bear it c. To conclude I conjure you by all that is or can be dear to you or me that laying away all Disputes you go on chearfully speedily for the reducing of Ireland By whom Ireland