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A96468	Truth further defended, and William Penn vindicated; being a rejoynder to a book entitutled, A brief and modest reply, to Mr. Penn's tedious, scurrilous, and unchristian defence, against the bishop of Cork. Wherein that author's unfainess is detected, his arguments and objections are answered. / By T.W. and N.H.	Wight, Thomas, ca. 1640-1724.	1700 (1700)	Wing W2108; ESTC R204122	88,609	189

satisfied most or all of his Objections if he vvere not resolved rather to represent us vvrong than right vvhich vve must needs say doth but too much appear in his management tovvards us But farther as to Implication of Faith since the Bp. can produce no Confession of Faith extant so compleat and full that nothing is left to be made out by Implication he might have shevved so much candour as to have given an equal allovvance at least to this short Declaration vvhich vvas not vvrit as W. P. told him in the Preface to his Defence for an exact and compleat account of our Belief as he vvould to any of those Creeds or Symbols of Faith which himself or the Church he is of embraceth which had he done he could not have charged our Confession touching the Beeing of God with imperfection because there is not in it a word of God's creating the present World or supporting it by his Providence or concerning Himself about the inanimate part thereof with a multitude he saith of other particulars for in which we pray of all the Creeds which the Bp. holds Authentick is this multitude of particulars exprest in the first Article touching the Beeing of God without implication If we look into that which bears the name of the Apostles Creed the first Article is delivered thus I believe in God the Father Almighty maker of Heaven and Earth what one word is here of supporting the present world by his providence of concerning himself about the inanimate part of it or of the Bp's multitude of other particulars Are not all those to be made out by implication in this the most celebrated and best Creed extent Again Is there one word in that Creed concerning the Intercession or Mediation of Christ for his People It is said indeed he ascended into Heaven and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty and that from thence he shall come to judg the Quick and the Dead But that sitting at the Right Hand of his Father he makes Intercession for his People tho' it be certainly true Rom. 8. 34. Heb. 7. 25. is not exprest in that Creed but left to be supplied by implication Yet again the Attributes due to God even those which the Bp. says Christianity teacheth of him where are they in words exprest in that Creed Is there a word there of his Omniscience his Omnipresence his infinite Goodness and Love to Mankinde his Justice Mercy c. Will the Bp. allow these to be made out by implication or would he have them left out and disbelieved altogether By these Instances the Bp. we hope will see how much his desire of a blow at W. P. and the Quakers made him mistake when he said p. 4 5. What an easie prevention of all this Imperfection and uncertainty had it been for W. P. and his party to have said I believe in God the Father Almighty maker of Heaven and Earth since that without the help of Implication falls very much short of delivering what he says Christianity teacheth of God To which he adds but this had been confessing an Article of Faith in a way beneath their Light we say no more but that this is a Scoff beneath the gravity which the Bp. pretends to and was expected from him But we must take leave to tell him that by his rejecting that Paper called Gospel Truths and unchristianing us for our shortness in not expressing in that Paper all that Christianity teacheth and that is to be believed concerning God Christ the Holy Ghost and other Articles of Christian Religion he has given a deep wound to the common Creed called the Apostles and to all the Creeds in the Christian World and struck a very bold stroke towards unchristianing all Christendom But in this we think the Bp. the more to be blamed in as much as when he writ this he declares he had before him a Book of W. P's Entitled The second part of the serious Apology for the principles and practices of the People called Quakers Printed in the Year 1671. in which he might and could scarce but see a more full Confession of Faith concerning the Essentials of Religion God Christ and Holy Spirit We say he could hardly miss seeing this for he took and that most falsely as we have shewed before a quotation out of that Book in p. 148. and this Confession which we now mention is in page 149. and the pages lye open together so that both are alike exposed to the eye at the same time This Confession is in these words We do believe in one only Holy God Almighty who is an eternal Spirit the Creator of all things We would gladly know whether this be not as full as express as comprehensive as the first Article in that which is called the Apostles Creed which says only I believe in God the Father Almighty maker of Heaven and Earth It follows in that Book of W. P's And in one Lord Jesus Christ his only Son and express Image of his substance who took upon him flesh and was in the World and in Life Doctrine Miracles Death Resurrection Ascention and Mediation perfectly did and does continue to do the will of God to whose Holy Life Power Mediation and Blood we only ascribe our Sanctification Justification Redemption and perfect Salvation Here is a full Confession both to the Divinity and Manhood of Christ his Birth Life Doctrine Miracles Death Resurrection Ascention and which the common Creed mentions not his Mediation Then for the Holy Spirit whereas the Creed has only I believe in the Holy Ghost W. P's Confession is more full in these words And we believe in one Holy Spirit that proceeds and breaths from the Father and the Son as the life and virtue of both the Father and the Son a measure of which is given to all to profit with and he that has one has all for these three are one who is the Alpha and Omega the first and last God over all blessed for ever Amen This we suppose the Bp. will acknowledge to be a more full and plain Confession then that which is in the Common Creed called the Apostles with respect to the proceeding of the Holy Spirit from the Father and the Son not touched in that besides what is said in this concerning the great mistery of the God-head one in three and three in one commonly exprest by the word Trinity of which that Creed called the Apostles is wholly silent Now since the Bp. acknowledges he had that Book of W. P's then before him out of which we have recited this Confession which in many material parts is so much fuller and larger then that the Bp. directs to how unfair and how disingenious how uncharitable is the Bp. towards W. P. and us to censure and unchristian us for a pretended shortness in the wording of some of our Principles and that too after W. P. had told him in the Preface to his Defence that

they said to Baptize And they were to do none of these things till they were endued with power from on high Luke 24. 49. Acts 1. 4. Ibid. 17. The Bp. proceeds as one put to his shifts indeed to give his own Term to W. P. when the Bp. told him he proceeds to shift on Thus Baptizing with the holy Ghost and with Fire the words that Mr. P. alledges p. 69. and runs upon was a special Prerogative of our Lord Jesus Christ's predicted only of him Matt. 4. 11. which should be 3. 11. and fulfilled only by him Acts 2. not by any Man ever Living The Bp's first reason then is true says he Answ If saying were proving the Bp. has done it nor will this Argument avail him any more then the former notwithstanding it seems as if he would divide fire from the Baptism of the holy Ghost and only allow it to be fulfilled Acts 2. Indeed if he had said the Cloven Tongues of fire it had been more tollerable but that fire i. e. the Spiritual fire was to accompany the Baptism of the holy Ghost when they were Baptized with the Spirit is very plainly proveable from Scripture as well from that Text which the Bp. has brought to prove 't was only fulfilled Acts. 2. as from others Thus Matt. 3. 11. John Tolls many of the wicked Pharisees and Saducees which came to his Baptism and whom he called a generation of Vipers I indeed Baptize you with Water c. but He Christ shall Baptize you with the holy Ghost and with fire As if he had said you or who ever are Baptized with the Baptism of Christ shall be Baptized with the holy Ghost and with fire Now we suppose the Bp. will hardly plead that all those John then did speak unto were of that number Acts. 2. consequently then Fire accompanied with the holy Ghost was to extend to others as well as it did to those Disciples Acts. 2. which we shall farther prove In the mean time with respect to the Bp's opinion in the matter as we cannot wonder at it so neither do we think him a competent Judg whether Fire accompanies the Baptism of the Spirit or not because we do not find he pretends to the holy Ghost unless to be obtained by outward means however let the Bp's opinion be what it will we cannot but admire he should affirm so contrary to plain Scripture not only in the above but in what follows as that the Baptism predicted Matt. 3 11. was only fulfilled Acts 2. whereas if we credit the Apostle we shall find it otherwise thus Acts. 11. 15 16. And as I began to speak the holy Ghost fell on them as on us in the begining then remembred I the word of the Lord how he said John indeed Baptized with Water but ye shall be Baptized with the holy Ghost Here Peter refers to the pouring forth of the holy Gost at the time of Pentecost and the marginal note in the Bible refers to Chap. 2. 4. which shews that Babtizing with the holy Ghost was not fulfilled by Christ at that time mentioned Acts. 2. 4. but that it continued in the Church and was dispensed through the Apostles ministry afterwards so not fulfilled only by Christ as the Bp. saith How then came the Bp. to fall into this mistake he will do well to consider whether it be not for want of inward acquaintance with the Spirit by which he would experimentally have witnessed that Spiritual fire doth accompany the holy Ghost As to what he saith of the prerogative of Christ we ascribe to it as much as he can do but then we say he that had and hath all power in Heaven and Earth Matt. 28. 18. could and did enable the Apostles instrumentally to Baptize Believers with the holy Ghost as has been shewn by W. P. Now as to the Bp's Second Reason Ibid. 17. That Water was the thing commanded Matt. 28. 19. and that the Apostles practice in Baptizing with Water was in obedience to that command which assertion of his depending upon that commission we now come to consider the same by which if it appears that Water was not there commanded it thence follows what the Apostles did in that of Water was practice and not Institution thus the Text Matt. 28. 19. Go ye therefore and teach all nations Baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy Ghost Now that we are not to understand Water was intended by this commission appears 1st Because here is not a word of Water mentioned 2ly Because the Baptism of Christ was the Baptism of the Spirit spoken to in short by us and more largely proved by W. P. 3ly Because we find the Apostles as instruments did by the power of God not of them selves Baptize Believers with the holy Ghost as proved also by W. P. Lastly because we no where read when the Apostles used Water in outward Baptism they followed the terms of that Commission as they ought to have done had they understood it Water by doing it in the name of the Father Son and holy Ghost But did it in the name of the Lord or Lord Jesus in which last form practicers of Water Baptism in our day would we suppose not think it rightly performed Now for these reasons with others which for brevity we omit we have no ground at all to believe that Water was commanded by that commission but on the contrary that the Baptism of Christ by his Spirit was intended thereby consequently then what the Apostles did in use of Water must be practice and not Institution as were the many legal Rites Circumcision Purifications Vows Shavings c. which we find they also practized as well as Water Baptism even after they had received the holy Ghost Farther we do not find any of the Apostles mentioning Water Baptism to be any part of their mission nor yet recommending the practice of it in their Epistles to any of the gathered Churches in the first settlement tho' they do far lesser things then some in our day account of Water Baptism and since they are silent therein we may well conclude that their practice in that of Water was not from that command Matt. 28. 19. but on the same foot they did those other Legal things before mentioned Nay we find that great Apostle Paul was so far from believing Water Baptism to be any part of his commission that he not only thanks God he Baptized no more of the Corinthians 1 Cor. 1. 14. but adds in the. 17. Vers He was not sent to Baptize Again altho' he writ an Epistle to the Ephesians and in Acts 20 tells them he had not shuned to declare unto them all the counsell of God Yet not a word of a Command for Water Baptism But on the other hand speaks of and recommends in several Epistles the one Baptism of the Spirit see Eph. 4. 5. 1 Cor. 12. 13. Gal. 3. 27. Thus then the Bp's

replied that they Preached no New Gospel but the same which was confirmed before by Miracles and therefore needed no new ones to confirm it and also that John the Baptist with many of the Prophets tho' immediately and extraordinarily called yet did no Miracles that we read of and the same answer may serve for us while we have always been ready to confirm our Doctrine by holy Scripture but altho' such extraordinary Gifts of Tongues c. are ceased yet it doth not therefore follow we ought to neglect the inward teachings and dictates of the holy Spirit of God which is given to Christians as a standing perpetual rule and more immediate guide under the New Covenant to walk by and without which they cannot rightly perform their duty to God as we have shewn before p. 54. As to that Text 1 Cor. 13. 8. brought by the Bp. 'T is plain those Gifts there mentioned were to cease by giving way to what was more excellent more perfect see p. 10. 11 12. following vers and not by being succeeded by what is more carnal and destitute of the Spirit but leaving this at present we shall attend the Bp's Objection which relates to the Ministry viz. that none can now Preach in the Demonstration of the Spirit and power To which we answer If that were so then none can preach as the Oracles of God nor in preaching be beneficial to the People since the holy Scripture tells us that the Spirit is a necessary and essential qualification to constitute a Minister of Christ which we shall prove 1st from Jesus Christ himself when he gave the Apostles that commission Matt. 28. 19. to Preach he tells them thus Vers 20. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you and lo I am with you alway even to the end of the World We hope none will be so trifling as to say this Command extended only to the Apostles if any so weak to think so then the foregoing Vers 19. about Baptizing which they suppose Water must likewise extend no farther but supposing none so weak thus to object yet some m●y Query how was Christ to be with his Ministers to the end of the world Was it not by the holy Scripture the outward means now left to Christians To this we answer 't was by his Spirit which we prove from Christs ●wn words John 14. 16. I will pray the Father and he shall give you another comforter that he may abide with you for ever Vers 17. Even the Spirit of truth he dwelleth with you and shall be in you Ver. 26. The comforter the holy Ghost he shall teach you all things saith Christ John 15. 5. Without me saith Christ ye can do nothing from these with more Texts of Scripture 't is plain that Christ by his Spirit was to be with his truly constituted Ministers to the end of the World by whom they were taught all things and without whom they could do nothing and pursuant to that commission and promise of Christ the Apostles were called commissionated and did Preach by the Spirit according to 2 Cor. 3. 6. Gall. 1. 11 12. 1 Cor. 2. 4. and we do not find the Apostles did confine the Spirit to themselves only but did recommend the same Gift of the Spirit as the necessary qualification to the constituting a Minister of the Gospel thus 1 Peter 4. 10 11. As every Man hath received the Gift even so minister the same one to another as good stewards of the manifold Grace of God If any Man speak let him speak as the Oracles of God If any Man minister let him do it as of the ability which God giveth that God in all things may be Glorified Which we take to be as much as if he had said none ought to speak or minister about the things of God but by the Gift of his holy Spirit and who ever doth not so speak or minister cannot in so doing do it to the Glory of God We could cite more Scriptures to the same purpose which for brevity sake we omit these may suffice to shew that whoever pretends to be a Minister of Christ cannot be truly such without the Qualification of and being Commissionated by the holy Ghost And as to the Bp's saying that W. P. nor none can now Preach in demonstration of the Spirit and Power 't is but his bare assertion and more then he can prove But as to the Bp's part we may be sure he cannot so Preach since he denies it to all and while he thus asserts he will do well to consider how he came by his Ministry since Christ promised to be with his Ministers to the end of the World and that his Spirit was to continue with and in them for ever from which Gift of his Spirit they were to speak according to the Apostle as the Oracles of God which to be sure cannot be but in demonstration of the Spirit and Power Having thus Proved the Spirit to be a necessary Qualification to the constituting a Minister of Christ we now come to consider the Bp's outward way to Holyness and Spirituallity in which we shall find him as much out of the way as in the last The Bp. Proceeds P. 23. People are now made holy by the use of outward means and grow up in Grace by degrees yet in both cases as to Gifts as well as Holiness there are those who by Analogy and Proportion may still be termed Spiritual that is there are persons who by study and industry attain to speak with tongues c. Others who having from the holy Scriptures which were indited by the Spirit of God learnt the mind of the Spirit and being in their hearts perswaded of the Truths and Duties they have thence learnt and felt their Soul strongly moved by the Power of the Spirit under the Ministry of the Word to the performance of such Duties have yielded themselves and submitted to the Conduct of the holy Ghost leading them by Scripture into all truth as well as Holiness Thus Reader we have given thee this long Citation of the Bp's that his own words may fully speak his mind Answ The Bp. hath here asserted upon his own authority and without proof that People are now made holy by the use of outward means and that there are those who by Study and industry attain to speak with tongues may be termed Spiritual But contrary hereunto the holy Scriptures do abundantly prove viz. That People are made holy and Spiritual by inward means as we shall plainly shew only before we proceed we will here again give the holy Scriptures their due place and allow them to be whatsoever they say of themselves according to these or any other Texts Rom. 15 4. 2 Tim. 3. 15 16 17. believing them to be the best Writings extant in the World and we love honour and esteem them beyond all others and are so far from laying them aside as useless that we say they are