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A90808 The holy scripture clearing it self of scandals: or, An answer to a book written by Richard Farnworth, who is commonly called a Quaker, bearing this title, Truth cleared of scandals. In this answer, you have the substance of a dispute at Harliston in Staffordshire, between Richard Faruworth [sic] and the author, in the yeer 1654. Written by Tho. Pollard, a member of the Church of Christ, gathered in, and about, Leichfield. Whereunto is added, Certain considerations and queries concerning those people called the Quakers; with desire of an answer. As also, a postscript, manifesting their folly in pretending a necessity of using the terms thee and thou to a single person. / By Henry Haggar, a servant of Jesus Christ, and of the congregation of his saints. Pollard, Thomas, fl. 1655.; Haggar, Henry. 1655 (1655) Wing P2775; Thomason E857_8; Thomason E842_10; ESTC R206619 43,888 64

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use to these men except it be for advantage But dear souls consider first that the heart is deceitful and he that trusteth to it is a fool And then to have no other judge in thy own case but thy self as this is their principle how doth it open a door to loosness And many poor souls have been so far misled as to say That which men call sin doth as highly honour God as that which men call prayer or holy performances I say these things I have heard uttered by mouth and have seen in print and if this be not sad and dangerous I know nothing But to you of the Church of Christ that are by these men called Pharisees and outward Jews and branded with reproach see what Peter saith 1 Pet. 2.20 If when ye do well and suffer for it ye take it patiently this is acceptable with God for even hereunto were ye called because Christ also suffered for us leaving us an example that we should follow his steps And in Chap. 4. vers 14. he saith If ye be reproached for the Name of Christ happie are ye for the Spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you On their part he is evil spoken of but on your part he is glorified And further friends let us call to minde how sweetly the Lord hath appeared to us in the use of Ordinances and then I hope you will take heed of entertaining such an opinion that is so wicked as to overthrow all the Ordinances of Christ that belong to his Church O but labour for oneness of spirit and you will be terrible to all your enemies as an army with banners Fifthly Farnworth affirmed that all Ordinances ceased when Christ ascended and gave the Spirit But dear friends let us not take the thing for granted upon his bare word because he saith so but let us be like the Bereans search the Scripture to see if the thing be so And first we will minde the commission and the time when Christ gave it and that is clear it was after his resurrection as the last chapter of Matthew witnesseth at large If so then it must be that this commission was given when Christ entered into his Kingly office and this his own words make good for now saith Christ All power is given into my hands in heaven and in earth go ye therefore and teach all nations and baptize them And the continuance of these Ordinances is plain in the last verse Lo saith Christ I am with you alway to the end of the world Now this is to me so strong an argument that surely it will make a gracious heart tremble to deny it 2. If this be true that Farnworth affirms then see how short a time Ordinances were to be of use in the world Read Acts 1.1 The former treatise have I made O Theophilus of all that Jesus began to do and teach until the day he was taken up after that he through the holy Ghost had given commandment unto the Apostles whom he had chosen to whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs being seen of them fourty days Pray ye minde it seems then by this mans judgement that Ordinances were to be of use but fourty days which is very corrupt And further then the end of the world should have been if this he saith be true when Christ ascended two great absurdities 1. To 〈◊〉 that Ordinances were of use but fourty days 2. Then it must follow also that at Christs ascension should be the end of the world and so all the promises of the Spirit had been nothing worth But minde dear friends what Christ saith to his Apostles Tarry at Ierusalem and go not out thence till ye have received power from on high and when the holy Ghost is come upon you ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Ierusalem and in all Iudea and in Samaria and in all the uttermost parts of the earth Acts 1. at large By all which it is plain if the Scripture may be heard to speak for it self that the Apostles were not so fully fitted for that great work to preach the Gospel to every creature until Christ ascended gave the Spirit Read Acts 2.3 4 5. And Christ told them Ioh. 14 26. the Father he would send the Comforter which is the holy Ghost and this is his work He shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance whatsoever I have said unto you Then minde If it be the work of this Spirit of Truth that cometh from the Father and the Son to bring to their remembrance what Christ before spake to them then it is plain that the commission is one part of what Christ spake to them before his ascension Yea there is much wrapt up in it that the Spirit was to inmind the Apostles of and not them onely but all those now that carry on the same work by the same rule for one and the same end namely To glorifie God to be useful to his Church and to all men Now we will see how the minde of Christ was when he was gone to heaven and we shall finde he was of the same minde to maintain Ordinances as well as when he was on the earth and for this see a plain text of Scripture Acts 9.6 And the Lord said unto Saul Arise and go into the city and it shall be told thee what thou must do And as the Lord sent him into the citie minde the end the Lord had in sending Ananias who told him as he had received from Christ what Saul must do and this was one thing that Ananias told him as it is plain Acts 22.14 15 16. first that he was chosen of the Lord that he should know his will and see that Just One and should hear the voice of his mouth for saith he thou shalt be his witness to all men of what thou hast seen and heard And now why tarriest thou arise and be baptized and wash away thy sins calling on the name of the Lord. By which it is plain that Christ was of the same minde to maintain Ordinances in his Church after his ascension as before But when I instanced these Scriptures Farnworth said that this was not Water-baptism that Paul was baptized with but the Baptism of the Spirit as many can witness But I think no sober man will be of this mans judgement for 1. Consider if it were the baptism of the Spirit it were too high for Ananias as he was a disciple to carry on and without question we should have found Ananias answering Paul as Iohn confesseth in another place I indeed baptize with water but there is one coming after me he shall baptize with the holy Ghost 2. It would be very absurd to give that to men that is Christs proper and peculiar right But it is no wonder to finde these men thus dealing with Christ himself that will thus wickedly speak against his Ordinances But
the cause of mens believing for saith Paul vers 14. How shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard O then Reader minde how far this Opinion will plunge a poor soul whose condition is such that he cannot please God without Faith Heb. 11.6 Without faith it is impossible minde to please God And in Rom. 14.23 Whatsoever is not of faith is sin so then to deny the Ordinance of preaching by which Faith comes must needs tend to destroy Faith and then please God who can But let us weigh the design of these men a little if they can once bring a poor soul into this condition to disown the Scripture when he most stands in need of it that is to say to bring him to Christ and to shew him how he ought walk so as to please God I say if once the poor creature be brought into such a condition then he knows he can easily keep him from prising it at all But let us see how this crosses the end of God's sending his Son into the World John saith chap. 3.16 God so loved the world that he gave his onely begotten Son into the world that whosoever believeth on him should not perish but have everlasting life Again Luke 1. witnesses that Christ was sent of the Father to be a light to them that sit in darkness and are in the shadow of death and to guide our feet into the way of peace And how should we know this great love of the Father much less believe it without the Gospels preaching Again Christ saith He came not to call the righteous but sinners to repentance and he came to seek and to save that which was lost By all which it is plain that the end of the Gospels preaching to every creature was not because every creature did believe this but that they might hear and believe Again if those three thousand Act. 2. were converted by the Gospel then not without it and them of Samaria by the Gospel then not any other way Act. 8. and the believing Thessalonians were called by the Gospel and so were all the Churches called to be Saints how I pray you if not by the Gospels preaching Nay how should we poor sinners of the Gentiles have known of a door of hope open to us but by the preaching of the Gospel nay should we have known of a Christ that died at Jerusalem but by the Scripture or how should we know sin to be sin and righteousness to be righteousness but by the Scripture Again see what Paul saith 2 Tim. 3.2 last vers All Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine for reproof for correction for instruction in righteousness minde not that man is perfect but that he may be perfect and thereby throughly furnished unto all good works By all which it is plain that the Scripture is of greater use then these men will have it And Christ saith The words that I have spoken the same shall judge you at the last day and this word shall not return void but shall be to all that entertain it a savour of life unto life but to them that put it from them and say it is useless it will be a savour of death unto death But to you who are through Grace members of the Church of Christ who were once sinners of the Gentiles and without God in the world but are now made nigh by the blood of his Son as Paul witnesses Ephes 2.11 It is good for us that we have often in our meditations the great use that the Scripture hath been to us in helping us to know what sin is that so we may avoid it and it also hath shewed what righteousness is that we may be in love with it And I pray you let your former experiences of what good we have received by the word and Ordinances not to be forgotten And further we finde and are made sensible through Grace that the Scripture is and hath been a sweet and perfect Rule for us to walk by and we thereby have been led and guided into the way of Truth and Peace And we know that all those that are found faithful in obeying the commands of Christ and continue therein they shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away And therefore let us alwayes look unto the Law and to the Testimony and imbrace that sweet counsel for the tryal of all doctrines for saith the Prophet if any speak not according to this minde when they come from hell and darkness for saith he they have no light in them Isa 8.20 O! then all those that go about to destroy this Rule they are so in darkness that as the Scripture saith They know not at what they stumble or whither they go John 12.35 And though these men say That they are the onely men that know God and love God yet if we see what John saith it will be found otherwise 1 Epist 2.3 4 5. Hereby saith John to the Church we do know that we do know him minde if we keep his commandments and he that saith I know him and keepeth not his commandments what follows he is a liar and minde such a liar that the truth is not in him And he that saith He abideth in him ought himself so to walk even as he walked Now this was Christ's walk to do the will of him that sent him then these men go not Christ's way but their own and walk by the imaginations of their own heart rather then by the holy Commandments of Christ Jesus And also see who they are that love God John 14.23 24. and see who they are that are related to Christ Matth. 12.50 He that doth the will of my Father the same Man or Woman is Christ's Brother and Sister And now having given you his Principles as he then at the meeting in Harliston did stand by to maintain which before the close you have them weighed which those Principles he saith he ownes in his Book and see how they stand together But now in the second place I come to answer to those false slanders he charges me with in his Book First he saith That I came on purpose to that meeting to cavil and oppose the Truth To which I answer That the ground of my coming with other Friends was to oppose all doctrines whatsoever that was not warranted by the Word of God and in so doing I have one greater with me and for me then all you that so maliciously speak against me But O Farnworth take heed of boasting so of perfection until you shew better fruit and when you come to cease lying I shall hope some better things of thee Now the substance of thy discourse before I questioned thee was That you did witness you were free from sin and in the possession of the second Covenant Then did I bring in those words of John and told you That if it were so with you then you had attained higher
I said then that eminent Apostle John had And therefore thou dealest wickedly to say I brought it in to plead a continuance in sin surely that light which thou sayest is in thee is darkness else thou wouldst not have spoken thus falsly but having treated on this before I pass it by Again I said Where was your proof that you was in this condition Then he laid his hand on his heart and said I witness this Then I said to the people That to trust his own bare testimony without Scripture we should leave the word of God and trust the word of a man and so bring our selves under that curse Jer. 17.5 Cursed be he that trusteth in man And also said as Jeremiah saith in that 17 chap. The heart is deceitful And therefore it was good for us to try our own and others by the Scripture Read Prov. 28.26 Then thou Farnworth saidst I told thee of a Church in the world Answ Yea Christ had a Church in the world though not of the world but gathered out of the world and for the gathering of it did not the holy Ghost say Act. 13.2 Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them And I am sure that Paul makes this good by many Scriptures that he was a Planter of a visible Church But thou sayest in thy book That the Officers and Overseers of the Church of Christ were invisible and why because made by the holy Ghost which is invisible And here the Reader may plainly see thy folly for as I have already proved a visible Church so I will prove visible Officers as what was Paul and Barnabas but visible men else their enemies could not have persecuted them And read Acts 6.2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them By which it is plain this Church were made up of a visible company And the Apostle said unto them Look you out among you seven men of honest report full of the holy Ghost And the saying pleased the multitude and they chose Stephen with others who are said to be full of the holy Ghost So that it is a clear Truth That visible men were here found in this Church made visible Officers But Farnworth take heed of scorning so clear a Truth But one thing Reader I pray you observe if it be so as Farnworth saith That the Officers of the Church of Christ be invisible then by his own grant he is none because he is a visible man And here is his folly made manifest And also he denying a visible Church you may as plainly see from whence he is sent and whose errand he goes on not of Christ's errand for then his work would he do but it is plain he is of his Father the Devil who was a lyar from the beginning else he would never say that Christ had not a visible Church and say all Ordinances ceased when Christ ascended and that the Scripture would never bring a man to the knowledge of God and say that all Ordinances contained in the Scripture are carnal Again Farnworth saith in his Book That I said the Letter and the Spirit was inseparable I do not so wonder of his taking boldness to lye of me that dare so impudently lye of Christ and of his Word and Ordinances as he hath done But to answer to this thou chargest me with this I then said unto thee as I now say That the Word and Spirtt were one or inseparable and this I said I will prove by the word of God 1 John 5.7 For there are three that bear record in heaven the Father the Word and the Holy Ghost and these three are one And further when I said this then thou Farnwarth pulledst out thy Bible and not before and laid it on the ground and saidst to the people If that be Spirit and Life it would rise it self I told thee at that time That what was contained in that book which it declared of and held out to us was Spirit and Life And here Reader take not my words but the words of Christ John 6.63 The words that I speak unto you they are spirit and they are life minde that which Christ spake they are and compare this with Job 12.48 The words saith Christ that I have spoken minde that the same shall judge you at the last day which word is established in heaven and written for our learning and is a perfect rule for us to walk by and see what Paul saith Rom. 15.4 For whatever were written ofore time were written for our learning that we through patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope And minde what Paul said to the Church Act. 20.32 at his departure Now brethren I commend you to God and to the word of his grace which is able to make you wise to salvation and to build you up to give you an inheritance among them that are sanctified And Paul commends Timothy that from a childe he had known the holy Scripture and which is very observable Paul presseth Timothy to continue in the things he had learned 2 Tim. 3.13 14 15 16. For saith he evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse deceiving and being deceived And Farnworth it seems you have not learned to distinguish between Law and Gospel for I demand of thee where any of the words of Christ or his Apostles are called Letter see what Paul saith 2 Cor. 3.6 Our sufficiency is of God who hath made us able Ministers of the New Testament not of the letter that killeth but of the spirit that giveth life Now I am sure if Paul the other Apostles were alive you would call them Pharisees and outward Jews Ministers of the Letter and call Christ a Water-ma 〈…〉 r outside-washer as you call me for I am sure that they that carry on this work they have their rules from Christ and they are the onely wise men And this I say That for Baby-sprinklers and Tythe-takers and Parish-men we own no such thing and therefore let them runne in your number and ranke as men refusing and rejecting the holy Commandments and Ordinances of Christ as you do onely this I believe that many of them do what they do ignorantly but I fear you do wilfully speak against Truth But O you Scorners how long will you delight in your scorning to call the Holy Scripture a dead Letter and carnal as you do But to all of you that are contentious and do not obey the Truth of what ranke soever you be or by what name so ever called see your portion Rom. 2.8 Tribulation and anguish upon every soul of man that is contentious and doth not obey the truth And see what Paul saith 2 Thes 1.9 where he speaks of some men that shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his power and minde who they are vers 8. Them that know not God and obey not the