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A89682 An apology for the service of love, and the people that own it, commonly called, the family of love. Being a plain, but groundly discourse, about the right and true Christian religion : set forth dialogue-wise between the citizen, the countreyman, and an exile : as the same was presented to the high court of Parliament, in the time of Queen Elizabeth; and penned by one of her Majesties menial servants, who was in no small esteem with her, for his wisdom and godliness. With another short confession of their faith, made by the same people. And finally some notes & collections, gathered by a private hand out of H.N. upon, or concerning the eight beatitudes. Niclaes, Hendrik, 1502?-1580? 1656 (1656) Wing N1122; Thomason E1610_1; ESTC R210332 24,412 73

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his And the mighty God from whom all good doth proceed shall through his Christ claim unto him all godlinesses or vertues which are proceeded from him together with all whatsoever separateth it self from the iniquity hath handfast it self or held fellowship with the godlinesses all those as incorporated members to the godlinesses and godded or spirited with God in one spirit shall go to God again and shall reign with God and Christ soul and body in the kingdom of heaven and live in joy everlastingly It is very true Citizen But is there not some Predestinate unto preservation and again some predestinate unto condemnation as also elected thereto from the beginning Exile Yes verily there are two with their members that are predestinated or preordained thereunto from the beginning The one is Christ the man of God predestinate unto preservation and with him all his incorporated members The other is the man of sin Antichrist predestinate unto condemnation and in him all his incorporated members As for any other predestination then this come it out of Turkey or else where I know not of it Citizen Thou hast told me the truth and also fully answered me to all things natural and spiritual which I have demanded of thee What shall I ask more God be merciful unto us and unto all such as err of ignorance and give them eys of understanding and ears of pure hearts that they seeing in what estate they yet do stand and hearing also which is the right way to come out might repent them turn from their wickedness believe rightly and so come to the knowledge of truth and be saved Amen Now Countrey-man thou hast heard this fellow and his wonderful answers what sayest thou to it for I am almost at my wits end and marvellously astonied Countrey-man Doubtlesse Citizen he is in great Heresies and misbelief or else I may tell to thee in counsel in any of the learned in these days are far out of the way that leadeth to life and also ignorant of the ground of the heavenly truth wherefore I think it not amiss that thou examine him concerning his belief in God the Father in Jesus Christ the Son and in the Holy Ghost the Comforter and whereupon he hath grounded his Religion how he came by this understanding what he thinks of our learned Preachers in these days as also of other matters as thou shalt think meet lest haply we might be seduced through some subtil heretick infidel or disobedient person which perchance might be against the Queens Religion or else pretended to bring confusion over the Land Citizen Thy counsel is very good but then I pray thee rather talk with him thy self for I am brought into such a trembling perplexity and sorrow of heart since I have heard him and that as well for mine own cause as also for others which I yet see going astray that I dare ask no more questions Countrey-man Very well then I will talk with him my self Come hither Exile shew us I pray thee whereon thy belief and thy religion standeth grounded Exile I protect before God and man That my belief is in God the Father in Jesus Christ the Son and in the Holy Ghost the Comforter and is grounded on the Faith of the Holy Fathers Prophets and Apostles mentioned in the holy Scriptures also according to the common Apostolick Creed the Creed of Athanasius and the Nicene Creed to even so far forth as I may obtaine grace and power thereto of the Lord. Secondly I acknowledge there is no other way or mean either of remission of sins or of salvation for us to be had or yet mercy to be obtained at Gods hand but alone in by and through the death passion and resurrection of Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour And that he hath offered once for all upon the Altar of His Cross a full perfect and sufficient sacrifice and oblation for the sins of all the whole world Thirdly I do acknowledge that none shall be partakers thereof but only such as upon the publishing forth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ do shew forth an unfained repentance for their sins past and walk in new obedience or in a new life according to the requiring of the Gospel also such as believe aright in God and Christ and are even so baptized into the death of Christ Such as are regenerate of the water and of the spirit and forsaking themselves and their own lives do take up their cross on them and follow after Christ in death and sinful lusts and desires and so stand as those that are waking and waiting for the coming of their bridgroom ready prepared having both oyl in their vessels and light in their Lamps Such as love God and his Christ and as his very disciples keep his Commandements and walk in all love towards God and their neighbour and in all dutiful submission and allegiance towards their Governors and also live obediently under all their manly Ordinances And finally such as in whom Christ liveth and dwelleth or those that incline themselves under the obedience of the love of Jesus Christ and of his holy word with all diligence thereunto Now as touching my Religion this I say so often as I call to mind and consider the great love and kindness of God the Father shewed on me unworthy one in that he hath created me like unto his own Image and given me also his Law for that I might live therein And which is much more hath out of his meer love and mercy and of our part undeserved sent his sonne Christ to be a Saviour of the world c. So stand I Religatus or bound again that is to say Religious to love my Lord and God which loveth me so intirely with all my soul heart and might and for His loves sake to love my neighbour as my self To love my Prince and all that bear authority under her to live as a subject under her Laws and humane Ordinances And finally to walk uprightly peaceably and brotherly among all people in all love And this is only to be obtained at Gods hand by prayer and humble submission under the obedience of Gods holy word through the comforting of the Holy Ghost or Spirit of Love of which spirit God hath promised to shed forth upon his sons and daughters plentifully now in these last days like as is manifest in the Service of Love And therefore I acknowledge that whosoever now shall refuse to incline or indeavour himself for to walk in the same small or narrow way being called or warned thereto out of love by the Gospel of Jesus Christ to live in such a groundly faith of Jesus Christ in such a true Religion and upright obedience to God and Governors and in all subjection under Gods holy Laws and manly Ordinances and likewise in such a brotherly love towards his neighbour and peaceable life towards all men as I have here rehersed and likewise as is more at large expressed
lye one with anothers wife desiring to have all mens goods in common likewise some say you would have no Magistrates and that you account whoredom murder poysoning c. to be no sin as likewise that you deny the resurrection of the flesh and the immortality of the soul Others say you justifie your selves by your works without Christ and that you condemn the Scriptures and would not have them used as also that you say you live without sin yea and some say you are against the State And moreover that you will obey Turke Pope or any other of what Religion whatsoever under whom you dwell as likewise whatsoever you say when you are commanded by a Magistrate to render an account of your Faith or Religion you use to dissemble and mean not the same that you say with hundreds more too much here to recite Exile O Almighty and most merciful Father thou which alwaies shewest mercy to such as love Thee and keep thy Commandements thou knowest our Religion is only to love Thee as chief our neighbour as our selves according to thy holy word To obey our Governors and to live under their Laws not once calling in doubt that this Church is now in subjection under heathenish Magistrates which command the things that thou hast forbidden Look down O Lord we beseech thee and behold our misery let us not now be driven away from our dutiful obedience which we owe to thee and to these thy Magistrates and Governors for any manner of fear tyranny and false brutes of such as live not under thy Law Alas Countrey-man alasse we are indeed grossly abused by some that teach men disobedience to Magistrates and Laws falsly citing that piece of Scripture It is better to obey God then men by that drawing the peoples hearts from obedience to fantasies and which of all is most dangerous when even their own company are by the high powers dealt withal herein then their teachers say of us Those be they that will have no Governors c. Thus grievously slandered are we as thou hast said So while they set all men to wonder at us for the thing wherein they are guilty themselves and not we they have the more is the pitty sufficient opportunity to perform their malice and to establish their purpose which God grant that the Magistrates may at last though now very late discern throughly Notwithstanding if these their false brutes should be credited of the Magistrate as God forbid then alas we were without remedy or hope of justice at their hands and must be condemned yea although we were never heard Countrey-man Be of good chear Exile and let no such things astonish thee for be sure thou shalt finde the Magistrates not only wise honorable and learned but also such as will gratiously hear every ones cause with justice and reform in time that which is amiss Wherefore I pray thee yet further shew me the cause where out such brutes are raised and proceed against you Exile It cometh to passe hereout forasmuch as many in reading the Books of H. N. out of which Books we also are charged to have gathered Heresies will take upon them contrary to all justice and equity to judge determine and expound our mind and understanding therein according to their sinister conceiving of the matter And thereupon have not only thrown us into dungeons and prisons to our great losse and hinderance but also have published forth such like innumerable lyes and most horrible defamations against us reporting the same notwithstainding to the people and that out of their preaching places for an infallible truth whereas many of them never as yet talked with any of us whereby they might first know what Heresies we hold and have gathered out of the said Books and so are these their unjust brutes and slanders believed of many and published abroad for an infallible truth and no marvel for will you see the devil who would have thought I pray you or supposed that the learned Preachers of these days could have spoken forth whether it were out of report of of malicious envy so many horrible lyes and blasphemies against so harmless a people which never as yet gave them not any man else any cause thereto Countrey-man Yet hast thou not fully satisfied me as what manner of people those be that thus shamefully use to blasphem and persecute you wherefore I pray thee tell me that Exile Mark my words and I shall tell you a great and dangerous matter and also satisfie your demand what they be that now chiefly seek thus injuriously to deal with us Understand there are by her Majesty and her good Laws appointed for every spiritual promotion and office within her dominion chosen men to perform all that function as Bishops Deans Parsons Vicars Prebendaries Preachers c. Besides which Officers and spiritual Governors there are crept in also some by the favour of one man and some by another certain others which are scattered almost the land through which also have gotten great stipends out of mens Benevolence And these preach without either order from her Majesty or any publick Authority yea supposed to be to the number of four or five thousand note moreover these pay no Tenths nor Subsidies and yet impoverish them that should Also they cry out against al spiritual Offices and Officers although they be found meet for that function by learned men and thereto have authority by Laws and Statutes confirmed They say notwithstanding teach others to call them dumb-dogs and sleeping-hounds with such like names which thing to redress her Majesty hath granted Commission But wot you what those for whose reformation the same was graunted have so prettily handled the matter that they either by substitution of Commission or else by some other trick have now to deal in the Commission themselves by their own hands and so compel men to yield to these dangerous attempts by whom also now we are thus strangely handled Now see Countrey-man whether this be not a strange Metamorphosis when the offenders against all Laws are made Judges over the true observers of all good Laws and reverence●s of all Authority let all wise honorable and courteous hearts consider advisedly hereof for it is high time Countrey-man But yet although they be not able to recompence you touching such injuries as you have sustained at their hands may not they all notwithstanding possibly repent them thereof and amend and so you and they henceforth joyn together in one heart of godly love viz. To love God above all and your neighbour as your selves to obey the Queen and Governors and to live under her 〈◊〉 and Ordinances as likewise to use all reasonable dealing and friendliness amongst all men like as becometh true Christians to do according to the Scriptures and Service of Love Exile Yea verily the possibility thereof is of the Lord to all and among all that stand good willing thereunto and can believe And that