Selected quad for the lemma: father_n
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A53984
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A third letter to A person of quality being a vindication of the former, in answer to a late pamphlet intituled A discourse of the use of images, &c.
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Pelling, Edward, d. 1718.
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1687
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Wing P1105; ESTC R1303
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well_o become_v the_o mouth_n of_o one_o of_o the_o hind_n calf_n but_o you_o know_v the_o strain_n of_o this_o generation_n be_v mighty_o alter_v since_o seven_o year_n ago_o when_o they_o think_v themselves_o oblige_v by_o the_o singular_a humanity_n of_o church_n of_o england-man_n to_o give_v they_o far_o different_a character_n that_o it_o seem_v be_v nothing_o now_o his_o great_a design_n be_v to_o show_v that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o england_n agree_v in_o three_o point_n concern_v 1._o the_o historical_a use_n of_o image_n 2._o the_o commemorative_n use_v of_o image_n 3._o the_o respect_n and_o honour_n due_a to_o image_n now_o though_o all_o this_o be_v nothing_o to_o the_o history_n which_o my_o angry_a adversary_n quarrel_n with_o for_o that_o will_v be_v true_a still_o notwithstanding_o all_o this_o can_v he_o prove_v it_o yet_o i_o be_o content_a to_o go_v along_o with_o he_o in_o his_o undertake_n and_o if_o i_o be_o not_o foul_o deceive_v he_o have_v undertake_v a_o impossibility_n a_o essay_n perhaps_o towards_o his_o undertake_n to_o do_v a_o miracle_n next_o let_v we_o see_v a_o little_a by_o compare_v the_o sense_n of_o both_o church_n 1._o for_o the_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n we_o know_v enough_o of_o it_o and_o too_o much_o of_o all_o conscience_n she_o have_v picture_n and_o image_n he_o say_v for_o the_o instruction_n of_o the_o ignorant_a that_o so_o they_o may_v be_v acquaint_v with_o those_o sacred_a person_n of_o patriarch_n prophet_n and_o apostle_n it_o be_v for_o this_o end_n say_v our_o discourser_n they_o be_v set_v up_o and_o be_v this_o all_o how_o come_v it_o to_o pass_v then_o that_o she_o have_v too_o the_o pretend_a picture_n of_o the_o most_o holy_a trinity_n be_v it_o not_o that_o people_n may_v be_v acquaint_v with_o the_o invisible_a immaterial_a incomprehensible_a and_o infinite_a deity_n also_o a_o rare_a way_n indeed_o especial_o for_o the_o ignorant_a to_o conceive_v right_o and_o true_a notion_n of_o the_o divine_a nature_n 2._o he_o say_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v image_n for_o the_o commemorative_n use_v of_o they_o to_o excite_v people_n to_o give_v god_n thanks_o for_o his_o favour_n and_o to_o admonish_v they_o to_o conform_v their_o life_n to_o such_o example_n well_o we_o quarrel_v not_o about_o this_o nor_o do_v we_o blame_v any_o man_n for_o look_v on_o the_o picture_n of_o saint_n to_o this_o purpose_n especial_o if_o they_o find_v it_o have_v this_o power_n upon_o they_o but_o yet_o i_o must_v tell_v he_o that_o this_o can_v justify_v their_o have_v such_o representation_n as_o i_o mention_v before_o for_o when_o god_n the_o father_n be_v picture_v like_o a_o old_a man_n with_o a_o long_a beard_n and_o all_o the_o three_o person_n be_v picture_v like_o three_o head_n upon_o one_o body_n what_o influence_n such_o strange_a representation_n can_v have_v to_o excite_v any_o man_n to_o thankfulness_n and_o conformity_n do_v i_o confess_v pass_v my_o poor_a trifle_a understanding_n to_o conceive_v 3._o but_o this_o be_v not_o all_o for_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v image_n that_o they_o may_v be_v worship_v also_o this_o be_v clear_a even_o from_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n and_o the_o roman_a catechism_n nay_o our_o discourser_n himself_o grant_v it_o but_o then_o to_o soften_v the_o matter_n he_o say_v two_o thing_n which_o i_o must_v a_o little_a consider_v that_o you_o may_v the_o better_o understand_v the_o state_n of_o the_o difference_n between_o church_n and_o church_n 1._o he_o tell_v we_o that_o though_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n teach_v that_o due_a honour_n and_o veneration_n be_v to_o be_v give_v to_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n etc._n etc._n yet_o it_o be_v not_o for_o any_o divinity_n or_o virtue_n that_o be_v believe_v to_o be_v in_o they_o for_o which_o they_o 11._o pag._n 11._o be_v to_o be_v worship_v or_o that_o any_o thing_n be_v to_o be_v ask_v of_o they_o or_o any_o confidence_n to_o be_v place_v in_o they_o but_o how_o do_v he_o know_v that_o this_o be_v not_o believe_v 1._o i_o appeal_v to_o his_o own_o conscience_n if_o he_o do_v not_o think_v that_o thousand_o of_o his_o communion_n do_v very_o believe_v it_o for_o what_o else_o can_v be_v the_o reason_n that_o one_o image_n be_v so_o devout_o and_o solemn_o adore_v rather_o than_o another_o or_o why_o be_v it_o do_v in_o one_o place_n rather_o than_o in_o another_o or_o why_o do_v so_o many_o pilgrim_n undertake_v such_o long_a and_o tiresome_a journey_n to_o loretto_n and_o other_o oratory_n rather_o than_o to_o other_o for_o the_o worship_v of_o some_o special_a image_n what_o be_v the_o meaning_n of_o all_o this_o but_o that_o poor_a people_n be_v teach_v to_o believe_v that_o there_o be_v a_o divine_a virtue_n in_o image_n and_o a_o great_a virtue_n in_o some_o image_n in_o some_o place_n than_o there_o be_v in_o other_o i_o know_v this_o discourser_n speak_v just_a as_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n do_v for_o it_o be_v there_o define_v that_o there_o be_v no_o divinity_n or_o virtue_n in_o image_n for_o which_o they_o shall_v be_v worship_v etc._n etc._n 2._o but_o then_o i_o ask_v he_o second_o how_o he_o know_v that_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n itself_o be_v in_o good_a earnest_n or_o that_o their_o mind_n real_o be_v that_o man_n shall_v not_o believe_v any_o virtue_n to_o be_v in_o image_n especial_o if_o they_o be_v consecrate_a i_o be_o sure_a there_o be_v good_a reason_n to_o believe_v that_o their_o definition_n be_v only_o a_o copy_n of_o their_o countenance_n to_o stop_v the_o mouth_n of_o a_o clamorous_a world._n and_o for_o your_o satisfaction_n i_o will_v refer_v you_o to_o a_o very_a learned_a author_n who_o this_o discourser_n have_v do_v i_o the_o singular_a favour_n to_o call_v my_o good_a friend_n mean_v that_o eminent_a person_n dr._n still_v fleet_n i_o hearty_o thank_v he_o for_o entitle_v i_o to_o the_o friendship_n of_o so_o great_a a_o man_n and_o very_o thankful_o own_o his_o friendship_n sincere_o acknowledge_v myself_o behold_v to_o he_o as_o for_o some_o private_a favour_n so_o especial_o for_o his_o learned_a work_n whereby_o he_o have_v be_v friend_v we_o all_o and_o i_o hearty_o wish_v that_o this_o discourser_n will_v suffer_v he_o in_o that_o respect_n to_o be_v a_o good_a friend_n to_o he_o too_o to_o that_o purpose_n see_v he_o have_v single_v out_o dr._n stillingfleet_n as_o my_o good_a friend_n i_o will_v deal_v with_o he_o at_o present_a out_o of_o a_o book_n of_o my_o friend_n which_o i_o have_v by_o i_o desire_v the_o doctor_n leave_n that_o i_o may_v mention_v he_o under_o the_o character_n of_o my_o good_a friend_n and_o as_o to_o the_o sincerity_n of_o the_o man_n at_o trent_n in_o this_o particular_a i_o will_v fain_o see_v how_o my_o adversary_n can_v defend_v it_o after_o what_o have_v be_v say_v by_o my_o good_a friend_n touch_v the_o public_a act_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n at_o the_o consecration_n of_o 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cross_n that_o it_o may_v be_v a_o wholesome_a remedy_n to_o mankind_n a_o strengthener_n of_o faith_n a_o increaser_n of_o good_a work_n the_o redemption_n of_o soul_n a_o comfort_n protection_n and_o defence_n against_o the_o cruel_a dart_n of_o enemy_n and_o again_o let_v this_o wood_n be_v sanctify_v in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o father_n and_o son_n and_o holy_a ghost_n and_o let_v the_o blessing_n of_o that_o wood_n on_o which_o the_o holy_a member_n of_o our_o saviour_n do_v hang_v be_v in_o this_o wood_n that_o such_o as_o pray_v and_o bow_n themselves_o down_o for_o god_n sake_n before_o this_o cross_n may_v find_v health_n of_o body_n and_o soul._n beside_o this_o in_o the_o ceremoniale_a romanum_n there_o be_v this_o prayer_n among_o other_o at_o the_o consecration_n of_o the_o agnus_n
sense_n of_o our_o church_n so_o he_o do_v rest_n in_o this_o that_o it_o contain_v a_o godly_a and_o wholesome_a doctrine_n necessary_a for_o those_o time_n mean_v the_o time_n in_o which_o and_o for_o which_o this_o homily_n against_o image_n and_o the_o peril_n of_o idolatry_n be_v special_o make_v and_o if_o he_o think_v it_o godly_a wholesome_a and_o necessary_a he_o can_v not_o but_o think_v it_o true._n 5._o therefore_o i_o shall_v conclude_v that_o this_o homily_n ought_v to_o be_v appeal_v to_o in_o this_o controversy_n with_o the_o discourser_n as_o the_o homily_n that_o contain_v the_o deliberate_a and_o settle_a judgement_n of_o our_o church_n and_o such_o doctrine_n as_o be_v necessary_a for_o these_o our_o time_n as_o well_o as_o for_o those_o when_o it_o be_v first_o write_v now_o in_o the_o begin_n of_o the_o first_o part_n of_o this_o homily_n our_o church_n roundly_o tell_v we_o that_o the_o bring_n in_o of_o image_n into_o the_o church_n in_o those_o latter_a day_n have_v nothing_o at_o all_o profit_v such_o as_o be_v wise_a and_o of_o understanding_n but_o have_v great_o hurt_v the_o simple_a and_o unwise_a occasion_v they_o thereby_o to_o commit_v most_o horrible_a idolatry_n then_o have_v note_v that_o the_o word_n idol_n and_o image_n be_v of_o the_o the_o same_o signification_n in_o the_o scripture_n she_o prove_v by_o several_a text_n out_o of_o the_o old_a testament_n and_o the_o new_a that_o image_n be_v neither_o to_o be_v worship_v nor_o so_o much_o as_o use_v or_o have_v in_o church_n for_o fear_n and_o occasion_n of_o worship_v they_o though_o they_o be_v of_o themselves_o thing_n indifferent_a for_o so_o she_o desire_v to_o be_v always_o understand_v to_o speak_v not_o only_o against_o idolatry_n and_o worship_v of_o image_n but_o also_o against_o idol_n and_o image_n themselves_o in_o case_n man_n be_v stir_v and_o provoke_v by_o they_o to_o worship_n they_o and_o not_o as_o though_o they_o be_v simple_o forbid_v without_o such_o occasion_n and_o danger_n as_o you_o may_v see_v in_o the_o begin_n of_o the_o three_o part_n of_o that_o homily_n in_o the_o second_o part_n she_o give_v a_o historical_a relation_n of_o the_o rise_n and_o progress_n of_o image-worship_n in_o the_o christian_a church_n the_o sum_n whereof_o be_v this_o that_o image_n and_o image-worshipping_a be_v in_o the_o primitive_a church_n which_o be_v most_o pure_a and_o uncorrupt_a abhor_a and_o detest_a as_o abominable_a and_o contrary_a to_o true_a christian_a religion_n and_o that_o when_o image_n begin_v to_o creep_v into_o the_o church_n they_o be_v not_o only_o speak_v and_o write_v against_o by_o godly_a and_o learned_a bishop_n doctor_n and_o clerk_n but_o also_o condemn_v by_o whole_a council_n of_o bishop_n and_o learned_a man_n assemble_v together_o yea_o the_o say_a image_n by_o many_o christian_a emperor_n and_o bishop_n be_v deface_v break_a and_o destroy_v etc._n etc._n and_o i_o free_o leave_v to_o all_o man_n of_o knowledge_n and_o integrity_n to_o judge_v whether_o in_o that_o historical_a account_n i_o send_v you_o there_o be_v any_o thing_n which_o be_v inconsistent_a either_o with_o the_o doctrine_n of_o our_o church_n as_o to_o image_n and_o image-worship_n or_o with_o the_o historical_a account_n which_o our_o church_n herself_o give_v we_o i_o think_v indeed_o there_o be_v a_o observation_n which_o our_o church_n there_o make_v but_o i_o do_v not_o that_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n be_v no_o ordinary_a magistrate_n appoint_v of_o god_n out_o of_o their_o diocese_n but_o usurper_n of_o prince_n authority_n contrary_a to_o god_n word_n be_v the_o maintainer_n of_o image_n against_o god_n word_n and_o stirrer_n up_o of_o sedition_n and_o rebellion_n and_o worker_n of_o continual_a treason_n against_o their_o sovereign_a lord_n contrary_a to_o god_n law_n and_o the_o ordinance_n of_o all_o humane_a law_n be_v not_o only_a enemy_n to_o god_n but_o also_o rebel_n and_o traitor_n against_o their_o prince_n these_o be_v the_o first_o bringer_n in_o of_o image_n open_o into_o church_n these_o be_v the_o maintainer_n of_o they_o in_o the_o church_n and_o these_o be_v the_o mean_n whereby_o they_o maintain_v they_o to_o wit_n conspiracy_n treason_n and_o rebellion_n against_o god_n and_o their_o prince_n as_o i_o remember_v i_o do_v not_o observe_v this_o at_o least_o not_o so_o full_o but_o if_o that_o be_v a_o fault_n i_o suppose_v this_o discourser_n will_v ready_o forgive_v it_o if_o not_o it_o be_v a_o even_a lay_n but_o some_o other_o time_n i_o may_v make_v he_o amends_o in_o the_o three_o part_n of_o this_o homily_n our_o church_n do_v purposely_o answer_v those_o allegation_n and_o plea_n which_o be_v common_o use_v by_o the_o romanist_n to_o excuse_v and_o justify_v their_o practice_n in_o this_o point_n as_o that_o their_o image_n be_v not_o of_o any_o heathen_a idol_n but_o of_o god_n of_o christ_n and_o his_o saint_n that_o the_o make_n of_o image_n be_v a_o thing_n in_o itself_o indifferent_a that_o they_o exhibit_v honour_v not_o to_o the_o image_n but_o to_o exemplar_n represent_v by_o it_o and_o that_o image_n be_v layman_n book_n and_o throughout_o this_o long_a sermon_n our_o church_n declare_v her_o sense_n 1._o that_o the_o image_n of_o god_n the_o father_n the_o son_n and_o the_o holy_a ghost_n be_v unlawful_a to_o be_v make_v 2._o that_o though_o the_o art_n of_o paint_v and_o image_n make_v be_v not_o wicked_a of_o itself_o and_o such_o image_n may_v be_v suffer_v as_o be_v use_v for_o no_o religion_n or_o superstition_n rather_o she_o mean_v of_o none_o worship_v nor_o in_o danger_n to_o be_v worship_v of_o any_o yet_o consider_v the_o great_a danger_n of_o idolatry_n and_o the_o strong_a inclination_n of_o people_n to_o it_o image_n be_v not_o to_o be_v public_o have_v and_o suffer_v in_o church_n which_o danger_n she_o show_v at_o large_a because_o all_o image_n public_o set_v up_o have_v be_v worship_v not_o by_o the_o simple_a sort_n only_o but_o in_o conclusion_n by_o the_o learned_a also_o and_o because_o she_o conceive_v it_o impossible_a that_o image_n of_o god_n christ_n or_o his_o saint_n can_v be_v suffer_v especial_o any_o considerable_a time_n or_o space_n without_o worship_v of_o they_o 3._o she_o show_v that_o the_o saint_n neither_o desire_n nor_o aught_o to_o be_v honour_v by_o image_n that_o the_o distinction_n of_o latria_n and_o dulia_n be_v a_o lewd_a distinction_n that_o the_o pretence_n of_o honour_v the_o prototype_n by_o the_o image_n be_v a_o old_a heathen_a shift_n and_o that_o though_o it_o be_v say_v that_o the_o honour_n be_v give_v to_o the_o prototype_n yet_o this_o be_v only_o to_o palliate_v the_o matter_n for_o our_o church_n evident_o prove_v that_o the_o papist_n do_v worship_n the_o image_n themselves_o not_o only_o by_o show_v their_o gross_a and_o pagan-like_a idolatry_n in_o that_o respect_n but_o also_o by_o produce_v the_o authority_n of_o jacobus_n naclantus_fw-la a_o eminent_a divine_a in_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n that_o it_o be_v not_o only_o to_o be_v confess_v that_o the_o faithful_a in_o the_o church_n do_v worship_n before_o a_o image_n as_o some_o peradventure_o do_v wary_o speak_v but_o also_o do_v worship_n the_o image_n itself_o without_o any_o scruple_n or_o doubt_n at_o all_o yea_o and_o they_o worship_v the_o image_n with_o the_o same_o kind_n of_o worship_n wherewith_o they_o worship_v the_o prototype_n wherefore_o if_o the_o prototype_n be_v to_o be_v worship_v with_o divine_a worship_n the_o image_n be_v also_o to_o be_v worship_v with_o the_o same_o 4._o have_v abundant_o show_v the_o snare_n and_o danger_n which_o image_n draw_v people_n into_o and_o the_o vast_a mischief_n and_o wickedness_n they_o occasion_n instead_o of_o instruct_v man_n like_o book_n our_o church_n at_o last_o plain_o resolve_v the_o point_n that_o true_a religion_n and_o please_v of_o god_n stand_v not_o in_o make_v set_v up_o paint_v guild_v clothing_n and_o deck_v of_o dumb_a and_o dead_a image_n nor_o in_o kiss_v of_o they_o cap_v kneel_v offer_v to_o they_o incense_a of_o they_o set_v up_o of_o candle_n hang_v up_o of_o leg_n arm_n or_o whole_a body_n of_o wax_n before_o they_o or_o pray_v and_o ask_v of_o of_o they_o or_o of_o saint_n thing_n belong_v only_o to_o god_n to_o give_v but_o that_o all_o these_o thing_n be_v vain_a and_o abominable_a and_o most_o damnable_a before_o god._n have_v my_o adversary_n consider_v all_o this_o we_o may_v wonder_v how_o he_o can_v harden_v his_o forehead_n and_o conscience_n so_o as_o to_o pretend_v to_o the_o world_n that_o there_o be_v a_o agreement_n between_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o oijr_n as_o to_o this_o point_n he_o may_v as_o well_o have_v pretend_v to_o reconcile_v the_o most_o palpable_a falsehood_n to_o the_o clear_a truth_n such_o a_o