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A67323	Infants baptism from heaven, of divine institution Being a brief yet satisfactory answer to some objections made by Hercules Collins, in his book entituled, Believers baptism from heaven, infants baptism from earth, &c. against certain truths proved in a book entituled, Baptism anatomized. Propounded in five queries, by Tho. Wall. Viz. 1. What water-baptism is? 2. What is the end for which it was instituted? 3. What giveth right to it? 4. Who are the true administrators of it? 5. Whether it be lawful for a man to baptise himself? Wherein the right that the infants of believers have to water-baptism is vindicated: the duty of believing parents in that matter asserted: and that by the contrary tenet and practice, they ought themselved to be excluded from the Lords-Supper, is plainly and fully proved. And wherein is also proved, that the covenant which God made with Abraham, Gen. 17. and with Israel, Exod. 19. and Deut. 29. are the covenant of grace in Christ, and not part of the covenant of works made with Adam before his fall.	Wall, Thomas.	1692 (1692)	Wing W484; ESTC R219349	20,257	43

manifested in the Flesh an Infant born a Saviour for Infants as well as for actual Sinners and when he appeared in his publick Ministry owned them to be Subjects of his Kingdom and took them up in his Arms and Blessed them and they welcomed him into his Kingdom crying Hosanna to the Son of David as I have shewed more fully in my Book Baptism Anatomized Subjects they were and still are and in the last great day when all shall stand before him namely great and small he will say to them on his right Hand Sheep and Lambs Come ye Blessed of my Father Inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the Foundation of the World Matt. 25. 34. In the mean time Infants of Gods Covenant have Angels in this Life to attend them Matt. 18. 10. as Heirs of Salvation Heb. 1. 14. declared by the Lord Jesus to be with their Believing Parents in the State of the Converted Humble and Believing if the Word of the Lord Jesus may be believed before the word of any that say as aforesaid That Infants are out of Gods Covenant and so Heathens Again in P. 116. he saith That I say in the Preface they ground their Doctrin on Nature and plead Right to Gospel-Ordinances by the Act of Man Answer I have shewed in my Book what Mr. Keach hath asserted in these words That there is nothing less than Profession of Faith that can give any Soul Young or Old Right to Water-Baptism I have given my answer to it in Query 3. p. 38 to 44. which is too long to insert here therefore I desire the Reader to read p. 38 to 44. in my Book seeing H. Collins hath made no answer to it Again H. Collins saith I would insinuate Page 3. That in Baptism a Person is wholly Passive which is by me fully proved in Baptism Anatomiz'd and not by H. Collins in his Book refuted For is it not said John Baptised Philip Baptised by whom the whole act in Baptism was done by the Administrator proved in my Book aforesaid Page 3 to 20. and not by him refuted And whereas he saith I Nick-name them in calling them Anabaptists Answer I have shewed it is no Nick-name And because they name themselves Baptists they cannot prove to themselves that Title whereas all Christians Names must be called after Christ's Name Christians and not after John Baptist's Name or Paul or Cephas's as Paul sheweth in 1 Cor. 1. 12 13. unless they were Baptised in John or Paul's Name Now whereas you say if John was called John the Baptist because he Baptised why may not those be so called that follow his Practice Page 2. Answer Did not the Apostles Baptise as well as John yet no Title by it belonged to them Christ himself was Baptised yet not called by any Baptist And whereas you say the Calvinists are so called from Calvin and Lutherans from Luther yet should not those Names be owned by them unless they had been Baptised in their Names so that when you shall disown to be called Baptists and own your Baptism in Infancy and not Re-baptise again then to call you Anabaptists is a Nick-name You refer me to Page 64 65. but say nothing to purpose there but only you say we know but one Baptism Answer No more do we own but one Baptism in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost then all that are Baptised in Christ's Name whether Fathers Mothers or Children ought not to be Baptised again because they were Baptised in Christ's Name although in Apostacy as I have proved in P. 119 to 121. of my Book Baptism Anatomized Again H. Collins saith P. 119. That I will have Baptism a pouring of Water on the Face By way of answer he telleth me I am to know pouring is the most proper word which could be used for the Holy Spirits proceeding because it is above with God in Heaven and we upon Earth below here he granteth the Signification of the word Baptism may be understood in its natural Sense a pouring 2ly I answer the word Baptise in its proper signification is best explained by the Spirit of God to which H. Collins agreeth to be a pouring and therefore we ought so to understand it as it is opened to us by God as I have shewed in my Book P. 3 to 11. and seeing you grant that you own but one Baptism P. 116. if there be but one as there is then the natural signification of the word must be one arising from one and the same word then Water out of the Clouds God himself being the Administrator Water was poured on the Persons even then our Fathers saith the Apostles were Baptised standing in the Sea where the Water had been on dry foot so John when he Baptised we have shewed the Persons Baptised may be said to be in the Water or Sea when but standing at the brink where sometime the Water had flowed P. 7. according to the Pattern shewed him from on high as you grant to be by pouring even so John Baptising with Water must agree in one by pouring as by casting Water on the Persons Head or Face seeing I have proved in my Book P. 11. that the Face representeth the whole Person Now tell me what Example had John otherwise to follow than the way of pouring seeing in the Spiritual Baptism it is granted by you as you say I am to know pouring is the most proper word could be used therefore the meaning of the word Baptise is poured or pouring then as there is but one Baptism which likewise you grant the manner in the Administration must be one and the same as all coming down from above on the Person poured or cast on the Person either in the Spiritual or Water-Baptism so John Baptised with Water as they were Baptised with the Spirit by pouring or casting Water on the noble part Head or Face And because I have so fully proved this in my Book I refer the Reader to it to read Baptism Anatomized from P. 3. to 21. and so shall conclude this particular as Peter in another case did Whether shall we believe God or Men concerning the use and signification of the word Baptism let the Wise Judge Again whereas H. Collins saith That I charge B. Keach P. 80. in my Book with the whole Assembly of Baptised Believers as they call themselves that they were forced to try their Wits for want of literal words Remember to keep Holy the first day Answ I disprove not the whole Assemblies Arguments but have added more in my Book to confirm them that the first day is now to be kept Holy and not the Seventh But I blame all those that will allow one Point as an Article of their Faith to be proved by true gathered Consequence from the holy Scripture and not in another all such prove themselves not upright in Heart but Partial for was it not B. Keach that derided us that we were forced

how this Man hath fought with his own shadow H. Collins's carnal reason being laid down he hath granted the Truth I contend for from Rom. ch 5. that as Sin entred into the World by the Sin of the first Adam Rom. 5. 12. into Families even so to all Believers and their Infants according to Gods revealed Will their Sin is pardoned in the second Adam Christ by Families Rom. 5. 18 19. and so as Christians we are to judge of them joyntly redeemed with their Parents until either Fathers or Mothers or their Children when grown up do prove themselves by their evil Fruits to be otherwise than of the Election as the Apostle observeth in his Exhortation to the Gospel-Churches from the Church in Adam's Family that so long as they abide in the Belief of the Promise in Christ the Seed of the Woman their Saviour to wit if they continue in this Faith and Charity and Holiness with Sobriety they both Parents and Children shall be saved as did Adam and Eve and their Children Abel and Seth Noah and his Children Shem and Japhet Abraham and his Child Isaac and Isaac and his Child Jacob and Jacob and his Children and so many the like in other Families in Scripture as God promised in his Gospel Gen. 12. 3. that in Christ Families should be Blessed not only in former days but also in the latter days now under the Gospel confirmed by Christs Blood At that time saith the Lord will I be the God of all the Families of Israel whether Believing Jews or Gentiles with their Children compare Jer. 31. 1. with the former 30. ch who in Gal. 6. 16. are called the Israel of God And whereas H. Collins saith I falsly assert viz. That the English Anabaptists receive their Baptism from one John Smith they should have shewed and proved the contrary and that they receive their Baptism from him I shewed in a small Treatise long ago on that Subject Printed 1669. P. 45. in which I also inserted what I heard that one Mr. Spilsbury should go to Holland to be Baptised of this Smith and so brought it into England From which I then inferred as I do now if you can prove the Beginning or Receiving your Baptism from no better or lawfuller an Administrator than for a Man to Baptise himself or from one that in his own Judgment was not Baptised nor a Member of a true Church for him I say to begin to Baptise and then the Party he Baptised to Baptise the Person that Baptised him I say is not from Heaven but contrary to all Scripture and true gathered Consequence from the same in their own Judgment for as Water Baptism is confessed by the Anabaptists to be a part of Gods Worship see Mr. Keach's Book Gold Refin'd P. 147. in these words Water-Baptism is a part of Instituted Worship and Service of God so that whatsoever is done in Worship and Service of God without an express word drop'd from Christ or his Apostles is Will-worship Therefore by their own Grant the way they came by their Baptism is Will-worship and so Idolatrous until they can prove it lawful for a Man to Baptise himself or that an unbaptised Person should Baptise another and then that Person so Baptised should Baptise him from whom he received his Baptism but such a Practice is no more lawful than for Nadab and Abihu to offer Incense with other Fire than the Fire from Gods Altar and so is no better than Rome's Trumpery that came out of the Smoak of the Bottomless Pit and also for any to confine the Word Baptise to signifie only to Dip opposeth the Apostles Doctrin in 1 Cor. 10. 1. but agreeth with the Doctrin and Practice of Rome as Bellarmine affirmeth de Imag. 1. 2. ch 29. viz. That every one they Baptise they Dip three times in Water in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost Now though Gods Judgments are not so frequently inflicted on Mens Bodies for breach of Gods order as of old yet God gives them over that presume above what is written to strong Delusions to believe a Lye because they received not the love of the Truth that they might be saved but had pleasure in Unrighteousness 2 Thess 2. 11 12. And will not the prudent Reader duely weigh these things And whereas he saith If I will give some of them a meeting they will prove they received not their Baptism from John Smith I answer the Matter is now publick but when I desired to debate this Point at a private Conference in Hounsditch it was refused by them for when I asked Mr. Kiffin being informed that he had been a Member of the People called the Ancient Separation falsly called Brownists and had taught among them and then was for Baptism in Infancy I say for the reason aforesaid I asked him in the presence of some Ministers there and many People this question Seeing he had renounced his Baptism received in Infancy that he would be pleased to prove by the word of God how he orderly came by a better The Gentleman very civilly said Seeing I asked a reason of his Faith he was bound to give it accordingly he spoke so long as he pleased and in the conclusion of his words concerning the Administration of Water-Baptism by whom came to Matt. 28. Go teach all Nations Baptising them from which he inferred that the Apostles did not Baptise as Apostles but as common-gifted Disciples I asked him if he had ended his Speech He said yea I was going to give my answer in proving that the Commission in Matt. 28. 20. was given to Men in Office and to no other and before I could say almost a word up started Mr. Keach being present and said They came not to hear me So that Mr. Kiffin and he with others went immediately out of the Room and refused to hear my Answer And seeing how I was served I left the Five Queries in Writing now in Baptism Anatomized printed in my Book with one in the House desiring that they might be given to Mr. Keach and so they were I being gone soon after I came home Mr. Keach sent one to me with a Book Entituled Gold Refined and the Messenger said it was an Answer to the Five Queries and now having begun this Work so publick in Print and proved in Baptism Anatomized P. 90 to 106. that it is contrary to Gods Word for any out of Office to Baptise it 's too late to talk of a Dispute by word of Mouth especially considering how uncivilly I was served by them before and the matter is now become publick that all may judge for themselves what is Truth I shall in the way I have begun God helping me maintain the Interest of Christ's Honour not only in his Holy orderly Performance of his Ordinances but in the Redemption of the Babes of his Kingdom who when he came into the World according to the first Gospel-promise he was