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whatever_o we_o hope_v either_o to_o do_v well_o or_o to_o be_v reward_v for_o after_o we_o have_v do_v so_o in_o another_o part_n of_o his_o work_n in_o the_o very_a last_o that_o he_o write_v he_o ask_v this_o question_n of_o the_o heathen_a can_v we_o then_o believe_v that_o these_o angel_n who_o employment_n be_v to_o declare_v to_o mankind_n the_o will_n of_o the_o father_n 26._o father_n num_fw-la igitur_fw-la hos_fw-la angelos_n quorum_fw-la ministerium_fw-la est_fw-la declarare_fw-la voluntatem_fw-la patris_fw-la credendum_fw-la est_fw-la velle_fw-la nos_fw-la subdi_fw-la nisi_fw-la ei_fw-la cujus_fw-la nobis_fw-la annunciant_fw-la voluntatem_fw-la unde_fw-la optimè_fw-la admonet_fw-la etiam_fw-la ipse_fw-la platonicus_n imitandos_fw-la eos_n potius_fw-la quam_fw-la invocandos_fw-la idem_fw-la de_fw-la civit._fw-la dei_fw-la l._n 10._o c._n 26._o will_v have_v we_o be_v subject_a and_o serve_v any_o other_o beside_o he_o who_o will_v they_o declare_v to_o we_o the_o 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fieri_fw-la debet_fw-la ab_fw-la illo_fw-la mandari_fw-la oportuit_fw-la qui_fw-la author_n eorum_fw-la dicitur_fw-la si_fw-mi autem_fw-la ab_fw-la illo_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la mandatum_fw-la praesumptio_fw-la est_fw-la &_o ad_fw-la poenam_fw-la proficiet_fw-la non_fw-la ad_fw-la praemium_fw-la quia_fw-la ad_fw-la contumeliam_fw-la pertinet_fw-la conditoris_fw-la ut_fw-la contempto_fw-la domino_fw-la colantur_fw-la servi_fw-la &_o spreto_fw-la imperatore_n adorentur_fw-la comites_fw-la hilar._n diacon_n quaestion_n vet._n &_o nou._n testam_fw-la apud_fw-la august_n in_o append._n ad_fw-la tom._n 4._o p._n 45._o who_o they_o themselves_o own_o to_o be_v great_a and_o the_o supreme_a and_o yet_o neglect_v he_o if_o this_o thing_n must_v be_v do_v it_o ought_v to_o have_v be_v command_v by_o he_o who_o be_v the_o creator_n of_o those_o element_n but_o if_o it_o be_v not_o command_v by_o he_o it_o be_v a_o presumption_n and_o will_v bring_v we_o punishment_n not_o a_o reward_n because_o 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