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A02424 A manifeste detection of the notable falshed of that part of Iohn Frithes boke whiche he calleth his foundacion, and bosteth it to be inuincible: newly set foorthe by Iohn Gwinneth clerke. Gwynneth, John. 1554 (1554) STC 12559; ESTC S112454 69,388 112

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